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Post by the garbage site on Oct 9, 2007 23:54:31 GMT -5
Here's the garbage bin: prosites-hobarker.homestead.com/2x2sministrypage2.htmlThis is the trash that some 2x2s here try to insist their church doesn't believe. Yet there it is on that page in their own words...they do believe it. It's mind-numbing drivel, and if you survive to the end with your brain intact and your head not quite buried in the sand, then you've done well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2007 4:08:33 GMT -5
Reads all right to me. What is your problem?
Here is some drivel of our own...http://home.iprimus.com.au/pruephillip/TheFirstChurch.htm
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Post by to garbageman bert on Oct 10, 2007 7:34:19 GMT -5
You're one to talk about having problems, bert, seeing as how the trash inside your mushcap is overflowing out your mouth.
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And The Rest of the Story
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Post by And The Rest of the Story on Oct 10, 2007 8:58:16 GMT -5
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Post by not endorsed on Oct 10, 2007 10:06:42 GMT -5
It is well known that the 2x2s claim that the Word is not to be "added to" or "taken away from". There are NO websites endorsed by the Workers. If a Worker were to put his/her name to a website, he/she would soon find himself/herself our of the Work.
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correcting nate yet again
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Post by correcting nate yet again on Oct 10, 2007 11:38:40 GMT -5
I don't read any trash in that article either. Of course not. You're the garbage man! You're neck deep and can't smell the roses. We wouldn't expect you to have any objectivity. It's trash to you because you are an ex-2x2? It's trash to Christians, nate. It is an insult to the intelligence and faith of Christians of all walks, not just former 2x2s. If you had one ounce of integrity, you'd pull that page off your garbage site. But we know how proud you are of your trash.
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Post by ll on Oct 10, 2007 12:22:31 GMT -5
You're one to talk about having problems, bert, seeing as how the trash inside your mushcap is overflowing out your mouth. Alright boys calm down and go outside if you want to fightRemember if you make a mess in here you clean it up
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 10, 2007 13:16:30 GMT -5
Howdy, In regards to: You're one to talk about having problems, bert, seeing as how the trash inside your mushcap is overflowing out your mouth. Back when I used to go to conventions I thought a mushcap was what you snuck mush out of the dining hall in. You could then eat it later at your leisure. One rule you learn early..... Use someone else's cap.... Scott
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Post by diet coke on Oct 10, 2007 14:17:00 GMT -5
Who in the world is garbageman?? HE is the insult to Christians. Please take your insults elsewhere. We may all have differences in religious beliefs, but the important thing is living a Christlike life.
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Post by Yuppers on Oct 10, 2007 14:43:17 GMT -5
Who in the world is garbageman?? HE is the insult to Christians. Please take your insults elsewhere. We may all have differences in religious beliefs, but the important thing is living a Christlike life. I agree with that --- We must all be willing and in the right spirit in the 2x2's. Anyone who does not agree with that is lost to hell fire. All hail the only church 2x2s.
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Post by gloryintruth on Oct 10, 2007 18:37:52 GMT -5
Here's the garbage bin: This is the trash that some 2x2s here try to insist their church doesn't believe. Yet there it is on that page in their own words...they do believe it.Tell a man that his religious convictions are trash, and you entrench him a thousand times deeper in those convictions. I learned this the hard way through years of dialogue with Muslims. I remember I used to address them as "Moslems" and "Mohammadans" which are offensive terms to them, and explain that their prophet recieved revelations from the devil. As you can imagine, such rhetoric did nothing to advance the Gospel of Christ, just as the above statement does no such thing either. I find it sad that an Exe can be so (apparently) fragile within his own identity, that the mere existence of religious beliefs that would condemn him or his church is an affront and offense. I call this "Theological Immaturity". Many religions and churches make exclusive claims. Get over it already! I have learned not to take it personally when a Muslim explains (often very politely) that because I understand the basics of Islam, but have not recieved it, that he insists that the very depths of hell - a veritable ocean of boiling pus - is reserved for me. It's mind-numbing drivel, and if you survive to the end with your brain intact and your head not quite buried in the sand, then you've done well.As such, we will be expecting the elaborate, and biblically-sound rebuttal to be forthcoming soon. After all, anything that can be rightly described as "drivel", "trash", "garbage" and brain destroying material must surely be easily refuted. Right? Because if these writings are so terrible, it behooves a truth-loving follower of the Lord to explain how and why, using full biblical citations and theological explainations. Is that not what scripture teaches? Because if you simply scream frenzied insults at the cherished beliefs of others, you prove yourself to be nothing more than a wild-eyed religious fundamentalist, whose ability to explain, reason, and dialogue meaningfully has been impaired. As it stands, the spirit with which you are motivated is no different from that which animates extremists who regard their belief as true, and everything else as fecal matter: These Muslims believe Christian beliefs are trash too. But you will not find them writing apologia materials, and reasoning intelligently. Their methodology of operation is no different from the extremist exes: "2x2 beliefs are trash! Burn them!"
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Post by Shocked on Oct 10, 2007 18:45:47 GMT -5
GIT I highly object to that picture that you've posted. That's absolutely appalling and totally inappropriate. Please remove it.
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Post by gloryintruth on Oct 10, 2007 19:09:34 GMT -5
GIT I highly object to that picture that you've posted.
Why?
That's absolutely appalling and totally inappropriate. Please remove it.
I'm sorry, but that's not going to happen. And until you explain why and how this image, in your opinion, is appalling and inappropriate, I'm not going to consider removing it.
My opinions; indeed, my views regarding what is appalling and inappropriate; has never moved a single exe to remove text or images I think are demeaning to my church and my beliefs. (I even remember one picture of a man with a huge bulge in his pants being posted to a discussion on a theological matter with the sub-text "Ha, ha! This is GIT" - or words to that effect).
This picture is Yahoo property, by the way. I have linked to the image on their news servers. If you have a problem with how Yahoo and Reuters reports news, I suggest you take it up with them, for they provide the source material.
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Post by Shocked on Oct 10, 2007 20:22:40 GMT -5
GIT I do not mean this in a spiteful manner. Let your conscience guide you of course.
However...do you really believe that you needed to post something so shocking and appalling to make a point - at the same time lowering yourself to the standard of those that have never "removed text or images I think are demeaning to my church and my beliefs". I think the correct term is to lead by example. Graciousness. This is why I believe that it's appalling and inappropriate.
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Post by Josephine Jones on Oct 10, 2007 21:55:04 GMT -5
Do you people know what sin is? You all sound like sinners. Sin is so much more than you realize. Raising your temper is a sin something God never did. Arguing is something God never did, because it is a sin. Think about it. One sin can keep you out of the kingdom. Don't make fun of anyone's religion, just pray for them. It is sad some think they are the only way to Heaven, but it is so untrue. God never said there is one religion, but he stated there is only One God. That is who and what we should believe in, Him, not man or religion. Thank God for His kindness to all. Please remember, the things on this thread are all sins. Be careful and do what Jesus did, he prayed.
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Post by typical GITism on Oct 10, 2007 23:34:06 GMT -5
It's more of the same, now that GIS has returned. He uses extreme examples to defend his extreme views, such as shocking photography.
If you read GIS's posts closely, you can see that he is effectively admitting that he is more a 2x2ist than he is a Christian.
His faith is not grounded in Christ, and in Christ alone. And that is the truth.
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Post by gloryintruth on Oct 11, 2007 8:21:12 GMT -5
It's more of the same, now that GIS has returned.
Where have you been? I never really left. I'm guessing you are the same anonymous poster who follows me around these boards posting unkind abuse - "Glory In Self is just a passive agressive moron and not a Christian".
He uses extreme examples to defend his extreme views, such as shocking photography.
If this is your honest interpretation of my post then I suggest you go back and re-read it. Because I am at a total loss as to understand how anyone - anyone - could arrive at a conclusion like this if they paid attention to the actual text I posted rather than preconcieved ideas (prejudice). My point was to suggest that extremist language does not really effectively promote any perspective, and does not lead to any really positive outcomes. (Calling the beliefs of the Friend's "trash" for instance.)
I have never called the general corpus of beliefs held by exes "trash". And I have always sought to actually represent the views of exes fairly, which is more than I can say about a good many exes. When you have to resort to attacking a man's family; when you have to resort to pure personal abuse - ad hominem attack - and when you cannot even bring yourself to accurately represent the posts and views of professing people, I would say it is a very good indication of a failed argument.
If you read GIS's posts closely, you can see that he is effectively admitting that he is more a 2x2ist than he is a Christian.
Is this what I am doing? Thanks for letting me know!
Actually, in one sense you are right in that I seek to defend the Church from unfair and in many cases, immoral, invective. I also seek to provide a professing point-of-view in what is often a monotonous monoculture of sectarian religious opinion. The fact that I believe the Church of the Friends and Workers to be the truest church on the earth in our modern context (I do not speak for past contexts) in no way stops me from being a Christian first and foremost. But does a Christian not defend his church?
As I have maintained, being a Christian implies by necessity belonging to a church. The concept of what I call "freelance Chrisitianity" (where one attends any church he feels like, when he feels like attending) is wholly unbiblical. Never does the New Testament scripture demonstrate Christians living apart from the Church. For, as Paul writes, "The church is the pillar and ground of the truth". And as Peter writes, "Scripture is not open for private interpretation".
No man is an island. He is an interconnected being, touching the lives of many people. The Church seeks to bring all men and women together, so that diversity can enter unity through the touchstone of Jesus of Nazareth. No man can live alone. He needs the Church to teach him, to guide him in the right way, and to explain both the scriptures and their application to life. This is an orthodox Christian teaching of the past 2,000 years.
His faith is not grounded in Christ, and in Christ alone. And that is the truth.
I take great exception at your presumption to lecture me on my beliefs. The fact that I restrain myself from casting judgement upon your faith and your application of Christian living I pray will fall to my favour. I am not impressed.
As James wrote, "Who made you a judge over man? When you judge others you do not submit yourself to the laws of God, but make yourself a judge over the laws of God. This is not your place! Who are you to equal God?"
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Post by wow o wow on Oct 11, 2007 9:37:06 GMT -5
Let the passive aggressive attitude go, GIT!
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Oct 12, 2007 5:32:04 GMT -5
wow o wow...is this your new catch phrase or....
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Post by only on Oct 12, 2007 9:44:16 GMT -5
Only when dealing with people who use it, such as GIT and the president of the GIT fan club.
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Post by Sylvestra on Oct 12, 2007 10:41:00 GMT -5
Do you people know what sin is? You all sound like sinners. Sin is so much more than you realize. Raising your temper is a sin something God never did. Arguing is something God never did, because it is a sin. Think about it. One sin can keep you out of the kingdom. Don't make fun of anyone's religion, just pray for them. It is sad some think they are the only way to Heaven, but it is so untrue. God never said there is one religion, but he stated there is only One God. That is who and what we should believe in, Him, not man or religion. Thank God for His kindness to all. Please remember, the things on this thread are all sins. Be careful and do what Jesus did, he prayed. Do you truly believe what you have posted here about sin? If so, you are way off base about anger, arguing, and sinning one sin keeping you "out of the kingdom"! God did (does) show his anger at times. He even "divorced" in anger. He argued with Moses (and others?). This is all on record in the Scripture! As far as sin keeping people out of the kingdom - this is a "works" based belief. Not one of us could ever get to the goal if this were true. Best regards, Edy
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Oct 12, 2007 20:25:23 GMT -5
Only when dealing with people who use it, such as GIT and the president of the GIT fan club. Eh. being passive agressive isn't so bad. I may see someone about that pent-up anger and frustration if I were you. Anger management classes, maybe? Since I AM an icon collector I have the perfect one for YOU, actually...and here it is. You're welcome, in advance. Mich Only problem is...it's only a smug SENSE of superiority....not actually being superior. Bummer, hey??
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Post by that is true on Oct 13, 2007 0:00:14 GMT -5
Only when dealing with people who use it, such as GIT and the president of the GIT fan club. Eh. being passive agressive isn't so bad. I may see someone about that pent-up anger and frustration if I were you. Anger management classes, maybe? Since I AM an icon collector I have the perfect one for YOU, actually...and here it is. You're welcome, in advance. Mich Only problem is...it's only a smug SENSE of superiority....not actually being superior. Bummer, hey?? How true. we see it in your writings all the time.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Oct 13, 2007 0:35:33 GMT -5
But I was referring to YOU, Darling. *apologize for not being more clear at first!*
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Post by gloryintruth on Oct 13, 2007 1:15:54 GMT -5
But I was referring to YOU, Darling. *apologize for not being more clear at first!*I think someone's jealous of you, Mich. After all, you're a great person, lots of people love you on this forum, and you have a positive and upbeat perspective on life. You're probably interacting with some miserable, desperate, lonely woman who get's validation only by tearing down what is good. I say we give this anonymous poster a nickname. I suggest: " The PasAgg Man".
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Post by I am on Oct 13, 2007 1:59:01 GMT -5
gagging on GIS's spewage.
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Post by Understand not on Oct 13, 2007 9:07:14 GMT -5
Just wondering GIS..why do you use words to explain yourself
that others need a dictionary to understand... ;)You may get
your point across if you used simpler, easy to understand
terminology..just a thought
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Post by gloryintruth on Oct 15, 2007 7:53:53 GMT -5
Just wondering GIS..why do you use words to explain yourself that others need a dictionary to understand... ;)You may get your point across if you used simpler, easy to understand terminology..just a thought
Could you point to any words I have used which are so novel and different it would require the average person to use a dictionary to understand?
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