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Post by nitro on Oct 8, 2007 21:37:43 GMT -5
Can anyone tell without giving names of a family whose kids were molested by the son of a family who has meeting in their home? The family with the molested kids were told it would be best to move. They did as told. Missing the friends they had left behind returned to the convention a couple years later only to be told to leave because the man was on the grounds and it was his home convention. States include Mississippi, Missouri
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Post by CherieKropp on Oct 8, 2007 21:52:04 GMT -5
I spoke to the perpetrator at a funeral last week, and ate lunch at a table with his wife. PM me why you want to know.
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Post by saddly on Oct 9, 2007 12:12:25 GMT -5
"Can anyone tell without giving names "
what do you want to know?
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Post by nitro on Oct 9, 2007 17:08:01 GMT -5
Thats why you become a member ! It's called PM each other
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Post by wellwell on Oct 9, 2007 19:34:51 GMT -5
Things do come out to light sooner or later, or in this case, similar cases.
I was sexually abused by an "outstanding and prominent friend", and when the situation was found out, I asked a female worker to ask this man not to attend X or X conventions, (I gave a few options), so that I could attend it, and I did not want to ever see him again. I was also going to ask if they would let me know at which one he was going to be, (did not get a chance to ask this much).
She did not even let me finish, and said: no, we never tell people not to go to convention. So I understood I was the one to make a choice whether or not to go to convention.
I never went back to convention in that state.
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Post by FREE2BME on Oct 9, 2007 20:09:40 GMT -5
To wellwell, I am so sorry that you had to make such a choice...do you go to meetings?
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Post by therose on Oct 9, 2007 20:35:10 GMT -5
That is so very sad, wellwell.
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Post by wellwell on Oct 9, 2007 21:12:49 GMT -5
To wellwell, I am so sorry that you had to make such a choice...do you go to meetings? No, I don't. By the grace of God I have been set free. The Rose, God indeed knows how sad and painful my situation was. ww
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Oct 10, 2007 19:31:50 GMT -5
Things do come out to light sooner or later, or in this case, similar cases. I was sexually abused by an "outstanding and prominent friend", and when the situation was found out, I asked a female worker to ask this man not to attend X or X conventions, (I gave a few options), so that I could attend it, and I did not want to ever see him again. I was also going to ask if they would let me know at which one he was going to be, (did not get a chance to ask this much). She did not even let me finish, and said: no, we never tell people not to go to convention. So I understood I was the one to make a choice whether or not to go to convention. I never went back to convention in that state. wellwell, can you email me using my email addy in my profile please?
Thanksps. CAN unregistered users view profiles?
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Post by nitro on Oct 10, 2007 22:24:03 GMT -5
Yes I think you need Teeth! Separated at birth
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Oct 10, 2007 22:45:15 GMT -5
Yes I think you need Teeth! Separated at birth Holy Cow!!!! It's Harry Carrey!!! ;D
Teeth? I neeed teeeeth? I like gummin'
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Post by rational on Oct 10, 2007 22:52:38 GMT -5
Things do come out to light sooner or later, or in this case, similar cases. I was sexually abused by an "outstanding and prominent friend", and when the situation was found out, I asked a female worker to ask this man not to attend X or X conventions, (I gave a few options), so that I could attend it, and I did not want to ever see him again. I was also going to ask if they would let me know at which one he was going to be, (did not get a chance to ask this much). It sounds like you were an adult. You were the victim of a crime. Why was the man free to walk the streets? You are blaming the wrong people. The man committed a crime and no one reported him. He was free to harm others. People need to take responsibilities for their actions, or lack thereof.
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Post by rational on Oct 10, 2007 22:56:36 GMT -5
Can anyone tell without giving names of a family whose kids were molested by the son of a family who has meeting in their home? The family with the molested kids were told it would be best to move. They did as told. nitro I find it difficult that the authorities would tell them to move and not arrest the criminal. Did the case go to trial or was there a plea bargain?
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Post by I know them on Oct 10, 2007 23:17:07 GMT -5
The molester did a couple years in jail. He is out now. The family was told it would be best to move by the overseer. They were also told to leave Jackson convention grounds because the molester was at convention and could not be in the same place as the family. Once again the victim becomes the criminal. It is all backwards.
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Post by talking to myself on Oct 11, 2007 11:41:46 GMT -5
The overseer made the perfectly innocent family leave convention so that the unprofessing perp could be there. Did the perp ever profess? Probably was in the court papers that he had "rights" to a home convention since he couldn't travel out of the state and there is only 1 convention in that state. yeah but.........he didn't profess at that time isn't convention for professing people? Gospel meetings are for outsiders to come and learn before they attend convention. Traditions can be suspended for elder's sons. talking to myself and answering myself and still not understanding the thought process that went into asking professing people to leave convention so confessed, convicted, not professing sexual offender could sit on the grounds, between meetings, and watch little kids play.
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Post by Hmmmmmm on Oct 11, 2007 12:11:26 GMT -5
wondering what the purpose of this thread is?
Trying to get something stirred up?
~~~ thinking to self~~~ I have no idea what kind of person would request such a thing... or the reasoning behind such a request. How can anyone else here determine such a thing.. hmmmm the offender was reported... that sounds different.. oh it wasn't a worker.. wasn't professing... so that was ok... weird thinking pattern here... served jail time for offense. I wonder if the overseer knew the people well enough that had traveled to the out of state convention to know that there would be less of a scene made if he ask them to leave because of their humility than if he ask the non-professing son to leave? oh well we will never really know unless we actually really want to and write and ask the persons involved.... maybe they think the overseer is reading here and will respond... ~~~ thinking to self~~~
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Post by Why on Oct 11, 2007 14:03:43 GMT -5
Can anyone tell without giving names of a family whose kids were molested by the son of a family who has meeting in their home? The family with the molested kids were told it would be best to move. They did as told. Missing the friends they had left behind returned to the convention a couple years later only to be told to leave because the man was on the grounds and it was his home convention. States include Mississippi, Missouri nitro If you don't know the people what difference could this possibly make?
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Post by nitro on Oct 11, 2007 17:23:52 GMT -5
If you don't know the people what difference could this possibly make?Why do you ask? Do you have something to hide? History has away of repeating itself. I would hope this thread reminds us to remember it's not just the workers that are guilty of this. As you have seen in this thread it has already been repeated. Protecting the children should be first on your agenda not who's family it might hurt. It makes me wonder about you. Do you know right from wrong nitro
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Post by Ok Then on Oct 11, 2007 20:42:30 GMT -5
If you don't know the people what difference could this possibly make?Why do you ask? Do you have something to hide? History has away of repeating itself. I would hope this thread reminds us to remember it's not just the workers that are guilty of this. As you have seen in this thread it has already been repeated. Protecting the children should be first on your agenda not who's family it might hurt. It makes me wonder about you. Do you know right from wrong nitro Why do you ask if I have something to hide? Would you like me to PM the details if I do? If you are going to fish (phish?)don't leave any of the dark pools untried. But, no, I have nothing to hide. Sorry. Let me phrase it a different way. Does anyone know of an elder who is having an affair with the wife of someone who lives in the next town but attends the same meeting? Please PM me the names. And any details. If you don't know about any elders, does anyone know about the elder's wife who is keeping company with one of the young brother workers? Please send me the names in PM. Again, details are great - photos even better. No luck? Come on people. Someone has to know, or even suspect, something. Does anyone know the names of some professing people's sons who fooled around with the daughter of the elder? Please send me something. That is what PM is for? Come on folks. Someone must know something that is going on!
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Post by juliette on Oct 11, 2007 22:39:47 GMT -5
In my humble opinion, affairs, adultery and any other sort of consensual sex between two adults (immoral though it may be) is in a completely different league than sexual assault and child molestation. So, of course, there is no value in discussing these topics on this board. That's just gossip.
But child molestation and other sexual assault cases that have been covered up, hushed up and otherwise poorly handled are just exactly the things that should be brought into the open. This thing is a sickness WITH REAL VICTIMS who can not protect themselves. And the abusers will continue to harm others unless they are dealt with openly and lawfully. When this doesn't happened (and from the cases that come personally to Scott, Cherie and) it has rarely happened, then one of the only recourses remaining is to use a public forum to raise awareness.
Like I said in a previous post on another thread, I personally don't care if you cheat on your wife (unless you're my husband!), pee in the street, jaywalk, embezzle money or steal a car. If I find out that you did one of those things, you have my word that I will not post it on this board. It's between you and God and the legal authorities or your wife. It should also be said that I would have the same approach to finding out that my "non-professing" neighbor was a child molester who was being shielded and abetted by his Elk lodge or police union, or family, or whatever. This is only an issue with the 2x2 fellowship for me because it has been so completely and wickedly handled in the past, with horrible life-changing results for many people.
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 11, 2007 23:09:52 GMT -5
In regards to: Does anyone know of an elder who is having an affair with the wife of someone who lives in the next town but attends the same meeting? Please PM me the names. And any details.
If you don't know about any elders, does anyone know about the elder's wife who is keeping company with one of the young brother workers? Please send me the names in PM. Again, details are great - photos even better.
No luck? Come on people. Someone has to know, or even suspect, something.
Does anyone know the names of some professing people's sons who fooled around with the daughter of the elder? Please send me something. That is what PM is for?
Come on folks. Someone must know something that is going on!
Actually... I do have lots of details in my emails detailing most of what you are asking. It's pretty hard to PM someone who isn't registered. But even if you were I wouldn't give you these type of details nor would I post them here. Like Juliette, I am concerned about the children, not the adults. The elder who would have an affair, and also molest the children who are around him I WILL check out. Scott
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Post by sounds like on Oct 11, 2007 23:14:52 GMT -5
sounds like someone condones child molestation and would prefer that they get away with it.
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Post by as I understand it on Oct 11, 2007 23:38:01 GMT -5
If conventions weren't also intended for outsiders...why are the meetings tested? As I understand it...conventions are indeed intended for the attendance by outsiders, as well as for the already professing members; it's same as with the gospel meetings.
As for the allegation of molestation, it seems to me that the 2x2 church isn't doing any better a job of dealing with sex perverts, then is the Catholic Church. And there record is largely not impressive either. Trying to shuffle victims and perps around, or sweep things under the carpet is not the way to deal with these things. There should be more legal action taken...and if the perps are indeed guilty...they should be jailed, and be registered as sex 0ffenders, and have restraining orders issued against them.
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Post by Once again on Oct 12, 2007 7:23:02 GMT -5
In regards to: Does anyone know of an elder who is having an affair with the wife of someone who lives in the next town but attends the same meeting? Please PM me the names. And any details.
If you don't know about any elders, does anyone know about the elder's wife who is keeping company with one of the young brother workers? Please send me the names in PM. Again, details are great - photos even better.
No luck? Come on people. Someone has to know, or even suspect, something.
Does anyone know the names of some professing people's sons who fooled around with the daughter of the elder? Please send me something. That is what PM is for?
Come on folks. Someone must know something that is going on!
Actually... I do have lots of details in my emails detailing most of what you are asking. It's pretty hard to PM someone who isn't registered. But even if you were I wouldn't give you these type of details nor would I post them here. Like Juliette, I am concerned about the children, not the adults. The elder who would have an affair, and also molest the children who are around him I WILL check out. Scott It was a satire. Nitro's post was fishing for details. It has nothing to do with condoning child molesters or any other criminal act. It is trying to reach a balance without falling into what is little more than a gossip board.
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Post by What is the difference on Oct 12, 2007 7:27:00 GMT -5
In my humble opinion, affairs, adultery and any other sort of consensual sex between two adults (immoral though it may be) is in a completely different league than sexual assault and child molestation. So, of course, there is no value in discussing these topics on this board. That's just gossip. It is no more gossip than any topic. It is not the content of the discussion that determines whether it is gossip or not, it is the validity of the source.
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Post by Grab your torches on Oct 12, 2007 7:33:19 GMT -5
sounds like someone condones child molestation and would prefer that they get away with it. Sounds like someone condones a witch hunt and vigilante action without regard that it could forever damage innocent people.
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Post by clarify on Oct 12, 2007 18:57:15 GMT -5
Thats why you become a member ! It's called PM each other Lemme get this straight. It isn't defamation if it's whispered?
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Post by nitro on Oct 12, 2007 20:11:16 GMT -5
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