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Post by Brad Lewis on Sept 24, 2007 23:54:53 GMT -5
In Matthew 9 Jesus confronted certain of the scribes for thinking evil because they said within themselves that Jesus blasphemed. Why do you believe they had evil thoughts? What does the Bible really say about why they had these evil thoughts? What evil thoughts do you believe many of the workers teach as a result of them not believing Jesus is God? Brad Mat 9:2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee. Mat 9:3 And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth. Mat 9:4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts? Mat 9:5 For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk? Mat 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
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Post by ranman77007 on Sept 24, 2007 23:57:22 GMT -5
hi brad have you joined tmbII yet ?
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Post by Brad Lewis on Sept 24, 2007 23:57:45 GMT -5
Where is it?
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Post by ranman77007 on Sept 25, 2007 0:16:12 GMT -5
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 25, 2007 1:35:12 GMT -5
R, you're about to get on my bad side again!!!!!! heh.
and yes, I blame you.and yes, it was nice and peaceful over there before. WHY would you do that??? *sigh*
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Post by Jesus died for sinners on Sept 25, 2007 5:54:53 GMT -5
Jesus died for brad, M. and we don't want to shun anyone, now do we ?
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 25, 2007 6:04:19 GMT -5
Nope. In fact, I wouldn't have a thing against him if he would post in such an abrasive manner. There are ways to make a point without being so "in your face" Brad needs, desperately, to learn that tactic! M.
edit: I meant WOULDN'T post in such an abrasive manner, obviously!
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Post by SO on Sept 25, 2007 6:27:58 GMT -5
SO! Nope, In fact, I wouldn't have a thing against you if you wouldn't post in such an annoying manner. There are ways to make a point without answering or commenting on every single post. I like Brad's "in your face",-----Your not the boss of this board. Leave him alone, he has a right to post every single time just like you do!
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 25, 2007 6:46:33 GMT -5
Lol. That's your right to think that! But...do you realize how juvenile you just sounded?? "You're not the boss of this board" Heheh. you forgot the foot stomp and crossed arms. Also, every single time? I wasn't talking about the number of posts, but the manner. Please keep up. PS...how do you make a point without commenting??? LOL. ummmm. silent treatment or???
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2007 7:15:47 GMT -5
and what are YOU going to purge yourself of evil thinking, Brad?
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Post by mortified on Sept 25, 2007 9:41:19 GMT -5
Hi Brad, I am new here. I don't really know you but have seen many of your posts before the board was deleted. Why are you so angry? If you don't mind me asking.
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Post by gloryintruth on Sept 25, 2007 17:40:53 GMT -5
"Workers are devlish morons. Kill all workers in the name of God! For they are evil hypocrites who speak falsely and do not love!"The Apostle Paul made reference to this kind of judgemental attitude, for it was... the same spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience. When Brad's mindless and angry rampages are no different from that of adherents of false religion, I think we have to stop and consider the significance of what we are seeing. Substitute "Allah" for "Jesus" in Brad's rants and you have the tone, temperament and spirit of crazed Muslims. This is not Christianity nor is it Christian work.
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Post by _ on Sept 26, 2007 3:13:10 GMT -5
Hi Brad, I am new here. I don't really know you but have seen many of your posts before the board was deleted. Why are you so angry? If you don't mind me asking. Brad is a former worker from the North West (usa)... You can read some of brad's quotes regarding the Friends at Workers here - quotingbrad.blogspot.com
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Post by gloryintruth on Sept 26, 2007 18:16:12 GMT -5
In Matthew 9 Jesus confronted certain of the scribes for thinking evil because they said within themselves that Jesus blasphemed. Why do you believe they had evil thoughts? What does the Bible really say about why they had these evil thoughts? What evil thoughts do you believe many of the workers teach as a result of them not believing Jesus is God?
If you entire interpretive matrix of the New Testament consists of drawing analogy between the Workers and Friends and the scribes or pharisees, then I have got to tell you that I don't think you have any idea about New Testament teachings.
Positionally, Brad, you have no moral authority with which to condemn anyone. If you have any committment to integrity, then I ask you to retract your statements on this forum.
I still have not forgotten when you issued a challenge to this forum to demonstrate - on a biblical basis - where you were in error. Where you had sinned, as it were. Although this challenge was, in my view, a foolish conceit (for we have all fallen short of the glory of God), and although it was a prideful nonsense, if you recall, I did actually respond. I pointed out a string of New Testament teachings you had violated, including not listening to the church - the vast majority of clear thinking folks on this forum who regard you as a bizarre crackpot.
I noticed that after I responded to you, there was a sudden ceasation of issuing the challenge to "prove my errors on the basis of the Bible", so maybe you recognised your tone and writings were inconsistent with a profession of Christianity. Unfortunately you behaviour did not change, and you continued as before. One concludes that from your perspective, the Bible only prescribes correct behaviour for the Friends and Workers and Everyone Else, but not you.
In this thread I have pointed out (albeit in a slightly jesting tone) the serious fact that your writings could easily - that's right, easily - masquerade as Muslim apologetic literature, which as we all know, is as soaked in hate as a prostitute's bed is soaked in sweat after sinful passion.
When the tone and character of your writing is identical to that produced by false religion: judging people's souls (the perogative of God alone); assuming knowledge of people's motives and thoughts (known only to God) etc. what does that say about your profession of faith? To what divine object are you actually committed?
Here you claim that not believing Christ is God is the prerequisite for evil thoughts. In this you demonstrate your total ignorance of Church History, because the Doctrine of the Trinity did not emerge in a faxstream from heaven without controvesy - and controvesy from good and upright men who were undeniably Christian people. By making any formulated doctrine vital for salvation is akin to faith in works - the work being assent to an extra-biblical formulation.
The only beliefs necessary to salvation are as follows: To believe that Christ is the one "sent from God". To believe (by the gift of faith) in the divine power of Jesus to forgive sins, change lives, and bring salvation. To believe "in our hearts" that he has been raised from the dead. To place full trust in the scriptures and all the testimony of Jesus.
I urge you to retract your writings and seriously consider the harm you are doing to the cause of the Gospel. You have become so much a loose cannon that there are even blogs set up to record your abusive writings. By continuing on in this lost, aimless and evil manner, you are without question doing enormous damage to yourself, and also to everything with which you associate yourself, including your church (which should have reigned you in ages ago). You are committing reputation-suicide by a thousand cuts.
Although you have attacked the true Church, there is even yet forgiveness within the Church for your salvation. I plead: do not persevere in this path you have embarked upon. Eventually you will come to a point of total reprobation where you will not find a place of repentance, "though you seek it carefully with tears".
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Post by say what on Sept 26, 2007 20:30:20 GMT -5
The true church?
GIS, are you still stuck in that rut? You remind me of the JWs and the LDS.
It's truly sad.
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Post by gloryintruth on Sept 26, 2007 21:18:38 GMT -5
The true church? GIS, are you still stuck in that rut? You remind me of the JWs and the LDS. It's truly sad.
Anonymous poster: if you were asked, would you say you were in the true Christian church?
The problem with your thesis is that it is self-refuting. Every Christian imagines himself to be in the true church, whether it is an invisible church according to the doctrine of medieval theologians, or whether it is in an actual denominational setting. After all, fifty years ago, many Lutherans and Anglicans would have claimed their denomination was the only right one.
The issues are more complex than you imagine. If you are not in a true church, you must by definition be in a false church. If you are not part of a church at all, then you are not obeying Christian teaching. And if you believe most denominations are correct "on the fundamentals", then you have glossed over the very real theological differences and have bought into a very liberal mindset.
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Post by gloryintruth on Sept 26, 2007 21:19:38 GMT -5
GIS, are you still stuck in that rut?
The tone, the arrogance, the insults. I wonder who this anonymous poster could be?
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Post by it is possible on Sept 26, 2007 23:42:08 GMT -5
After all is said & done, it is entirely quite possible that the so-called "[glow=red,2,300]2x2 church" is indeed God's True Church.[/glow] Many are called...few are chosen...and narrow is the way. God's True Church may exist almost unknown in the world today. Those with truly honest hearts will recognize The Truth when they hear it. The gospel truth is quite possibly to be found, and recognized for the truth that it is, when it is brought to one through the message of the Chosen Ministers of God & Jesus Christ.
Some of the elect shall fall away from The Truth. Some shall become embittered due to the errors or sins of some of the friends or workers....and then blame The Way & shall throw out the truth with the bath water. One of Satans deceptions...TO BLAME GOD'S CHURCH[/glow] because of the sins of some of It's members?
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Post by therose on Sept 27, 2007 1:01:20 GMT -5
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE - afer all is said and done - maybe it's not.
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Post by it was always understood on Sept 27, 2007 1:45:20 GMT -5
Yes, rose...[glow=red,2,300]anything is possible[/glow].
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Post by CherieKropp on Sept 27, 2007 9:42:57 GMT -5
To: "it is possible" Those who were born and raised (B&R) in the F&W church (aka 2x2 church) have heard the type thing you wrote so often that it could called the 2x2 Creed. We could recite it in our sleep. Did you just write/say this from rote, parroting what you have heard others say? Have you ever really examined each of these statements? Let’s do so now. RE: After all is said & done, it is entirely quite possible that the so-called "2x2 church" is indeed God's True Church. Could you please define the term: “God’s true church.” I don’t find that term mentioned in the Bible; nor do I find references to a “false church.” What exactly do you mean by that? The word “Church” was substituted for the word “assembly” in the KJV translation. The word “church” didn’t refer to a building in the Bible. It was a group of people; a gathering/assembly of people. One type assembly was a group/assembly of Christians. Currently there are local “assemblies” (churches) as well as the entire collective assembly (saints past, present and future) that make up God’s church. There are many Christian church families/denominations. Yes, it is possible that the 2x2 church AS WELL AS OTHER Christian churches are all part of the collective church of God. RE: Many are called...few are chosen...and narrow is the way. ***Are you trying to say that because the 2x2 group has “FEW” in it that proves it is God’s True Church? I will wait before discussing this reasoning until I am sure of your meaning, as I don’t want to waste time creating a strawman response. RE: God's True Church may exist almost unknown in the world today. Those with truly honest hearts will recognize The Truth when they hear it. ***Define “The Truth” as you used it here. What makes up this body of knowledge you call “The Truth.” What exactly would one “recognize” when they hear it? If you are going to say “the gospel,” then please tell us exactly what is “the gospel” message that has the power to save one from a lost eternity? RE: The gospel truth is quite possibly to be found, and recognized for the truth that it is, when it is brought to one through the message of the Chosen Ministers of God & Jesus Christ. ***How are the “Chosen Ministers of God & Jesus Christ” recognized? Why must the “message” or “gospel truth” come through them? Where is the scripture for this idea? Cannot a person accept Jesus in their heart anywhere they decide to submit to him? Cannot a person read the Bible and accept Jesus in their heart by believing what they read there? Are you saying the key to salvation is only given to the workers? Doesn’t this limit God’s power? RE: Some of the elect shall fall away from The Truth. Some shall become embittered due to the errors or sins of some of the friends or workers....and then blame The Way & shall throw out the truth with the bath water. ***This statement turns on the definition being used for “The Truth.” It is true that some have left the 2x2 church—but many have left FOR truth and have not fallen away from truth. And many have not left God, but have grown closer to Him. They are not bitter and the reason(s) they left has nothing to do with the sins of the F&W. Do you REALLY know why people are leaving the 2x2 church? I doubt it, or you wouldn’t have written such a statement as this. Have you talked personally with any who have left? Have you read the 2 books of the stories of Why We Left? Reflections and Reflected truth? They can be ordered at: workersect.org/2x206.htmlI advise you to search the scriptures and learn personally firsthand what they say. For instance, where does the Bible say that God has only ONE RIGHT WAY on earth? (It doesn’t. You won’t find it—but it will do you good to search for it.) Remember: Condemnation without Investigation is Ignorance.
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Post by diet coke on Sept 27, 2007 11:26:57 GMT -5
Cherie, a .00001% chance is "possible". Nobody was arguing that it WAS the only right way, only that it's possible. None of us know anything for sure...and if you do pretend to know something for sure about religion, your opinion can safely be ignored.
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Post by friend1 on Sept 27, 2007 14:10:40 GMT -5
To: "it is possible" Those who were born and raised (B&R) in the F&W church (aka 2x2 church) have heard the type thing you wrote so often that it could called the 2x2 Creed. We could recite it in our sleep. Did you just write/say this from rote, parroting what you have heard others say? Have you ever really examined each of these statements? Let’s do so now. RE: After all is said & done, it is entirely quite possible that the so-called "2x2 church" is indeed God's True Church. Could you please define the term: “God’s true church.” I don’t find that term mentioned in the Bible; nor do I find references to a “false church.” What exactly do you mean by that? The word “Church” was substituted for the word “assembly” in the KJV translation. The word “church” didn’t refer to a building in the Bible. It was a group of people; a gathering/assembly of people. One type assembly was a group/assembly of Christians. Currently there are local “assemblies” (churches) as well as the entire collective assembly (saints past, present and future) that make up God’s church. There are many Christian church families/denominations. Yes, it is possible that the 2x2 church AS WELL AS OTHER Christian churches are all part of the collective church of God. RE: Many are called...few are chosen...and narrow is the way. ***Are you trying to say that because the 2x2 group has “FEW” in it that proves it is God’s True Church? I will wait before discussing this reasoning until I am sure of your meaning, as I don’t want to waste time creating a strawman response. RE: God's True Church may exist almost unknown in the world today. Those with truly honest hearts will recognize The Truth when they hear it. ***Define “The Truth” as you used it here. What makes up this body of knowledge you call “The Truth.” What exactly would one “recognize” when they hear it? If you are going to say “the gospel,” then please tell us exactly what is “the gospel” message that has the power to save one from a lost eternity? RE: The gospel truth is quite possibly to be found, and recognized for the truth that it is, when it is brought to one through the message of the Chosen Ministers of God & Jesus Christ. ***How are the “Chosen Ministers of God & Jesus Christ” recognized? Why must the “message” or “gospel truth” come through them? Where is the scripture for this idea? Cannot a person accept Jesus in their heart anywhere they decide to submit to him? Cannot a person read the Bible and accept Jesus in their heart by believing what they read there? Are you saying the key to salvation is only given to the workers? Doesn’t this limit God’s power? RE: Some of the elect shall fall away from The Truth. Some shall become embittered due to the errors or sins of some of the friends or workers....and then blame The Way & shall throw out the truth with the bath water. ***This statement turns on the definition being used for “The Truth.” It is true that some have left the 2x2 church—but many have left FOR truth and have not fallen away from truth. And many have not left God, but have grown closer to Him. They are not bitter and the reason(s) they left has nothing to do with the sins of the F&W. Do you REALLY know why people are leaving the 2x2 church? I doubt it, or you wouldn’t have written such a statement as this. Have you talked personally with any who have left? Have you read the 2 books of the stories of Why We Left? Reflections and Reflected truth? They can be ordered at: workersect.org/2x206.htmlI advise you to search the scriptures and learn personally firsthand what they say. For instance, where does the Bible say that God has only ONE RIGHT WAY on earth? (It doesn’t. You won’t find it—but it will do you good to search for it.) Remember: Condemnation without Investigation is Ignorance. Cherie, should this be considered an "informercial"?
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Post by jwbdurston on Sept 28, 2007 23:37:54 GMT -5
Hi Brad, I am new here. I don't really know you but have seen many of your posts before the board was deleted. Why are you so angry? If you don't mind me asking. There is a difference between angry and rightous anger. Brad is dealing with people who have a one way ticket to hell because they are in a cult. check out www.thefriendsandworkerscult.com to see why
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Post by _ on Sept 29, 2007 2:22:20 GMT -5
Hi Brad, I am new here. I don't really know you but have seen many of your posts before the board was deleted. Why are you so angry? If you don't mind me asking. There is a difference between angry and rightous anger. Brad is dealing with people who have a one way ticket to hell because they are in a cult. check out www.thefriendsandworkerscult.com to see why please seek professional help - a ex member of the fellowship
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Post by jwbdurston on Sept 29, 2007 4:06:53 GMT -5
only the Lords help will do sunshine!
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Post by ii on Sept 29, 2007 4:15:23 GMT -5
only the Lords help will do sunshine! may be you therefore might have the courage to seek it then and not do what God said not to do
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 29, 2007 4:25:16 GMT -5
Ok. He thinks Bradly posts in a Godly manner and that the friends have a one-way ticket to Hell. Jw...
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