|
Post by hi6 on Jun 1, 2006 13:30:47 GMT -5
I have been told by several here that the workers won't accept money from anyone with a television in the home. They may visit them and partake of their meal in some instances. In some places one cannot take part if they own a TV. Is there anyone with firsthand knowledge of refusing money based upon TV ownership. They accept money from friends in divided homes where TVs are openly displayed. But if both couples are professing, the workers won't accept $$$ if a TV is in the home? Help me out here. Trying to figure this one out!!
|
|
eurp
Senior Member
Posts: 290
|
Post by eurp on Jun 1, 2006 14:53:41 GMT -5
Some countries have TV licensing, fees, registration and similar as a way to pay for TV programming thats free to air.
It could be that workers think that those who have to pay these huge fees might not be able to afford to give away money.
I think thats a very considerate viewpoint.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2006 15:21:03 GMT -5
Focusing on just TV is missing the forest for the trees. It is worker policy to not accept money if there is ANYTHING that they consider wrong about the person or in the home. One of my parents friends suffered from alcoholism for many years and during that time the workers refused to take a dime from her. Another girl I knew had her money refused because she had bangs the next set of workers gladly took her money.
It is at the workers discretion if there is something that upsets them they generally refuse money. The something can be as individual as the workers. I imagine there are workers that could care less about the TV issue I am sure that there are others very bothered by it.
|
|
eurp
Senior Member
Posts: 290
|
Post by eurp on Jun 1, 2006 15:27:25 GMT -5
Well, it seems to me that there'd be a case for complaint if workers accepted money from those that cuold not afford it.
But here we have complaints about not accepting money?
|
|
|
Post by uker260702 on Jun 1, 2006 15:38:02 GMT -5
Some countries have TV licensing, fees, registration and similar as a way to pay for TV programming thats free to air. It could be that workers think that those who have to pay these huge fees might not be able to afford to give away money. I think thats a very considerate viewpoint. Eurp, I understand this is a viewpoint but do you believe yourself this is the reason workers won`t accept the money? How much are these "huge fees" in your country? In the UK it is £131.50 / year "How to pay and more information The 2006/7 colour TV licence costs £10.96 per month - about 36p per day for each household. It is free if you are over 75, half-price if you are registered blind.
The annual cost (set by the Government) is currently £131.50. A black and white TV licence is £44. There is no radio licence. There are regulations governing the licensing of second homes, residential homes, hotels, students or special situations. "www.bbc.co.uk/info/licencefee/Most of the friends I know have a newspaper every day, many of which cost more than 36p. Do you think the workers shouldn`t accept money from these people for the same reason?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2006 15:48:00 GMT -5
I have no complaint with it. Like I said before it is meant to show that they care about more than money. It is a theoretically good policy that in actual practice makes some people feel rejected and controlled. I support the right of the leaders to run their group however they see fit.
|
|
eurp
Senior Member
Posts: 290
|
Post by eurp on Jun 1, 2006 15:48:34 GMT -5
I see that sarcasm isnt appreciated. No, TV fees are not great, but why the big deal about a church NOT taking money?
Usually its a big deal about a church taking TOO much money.
Is there a shortage of complaints?
|
|
|
Post by uker260702 on Jun 1, 2006 15:57:48 GMT -5
I see that sarcasm isnt appreciated. No, TV fees are not great, but why the big deal about a church NOT taking money? Usually its a big deal about a church taking TOO much money. Is there a shortage of complaints? eurp, any chance of you answering people`s questions instead of just playing devil`s advocate, which some of your posts seem to be
|
|
|
Post by asdff on Jun 1, 2006 16:54:38 GMT -5
I see that sarcasm isnt appreciated. No, TV fees are not great, but why the big deal about a church NOT taking money? Usually its a big deal about a church taking TOO much money. Is there a shortage of complaints? the issue is with the reason for their not taking money.
|
|
|
Post by Why on Jun 1, 2006 18:24:37 GMT -5
I support the right of the leaders to run their group however they see fit ******* Why then do they say "we have no rules!" A little clarity would sure help. So much ambiguity. Denying rules to get people to profess then clamp down on them after they profess! Why can't this group get together and state CLEARLY what they believe and don't believe? It is so confusing to those who want to fit in and fill their place in what they believe is "God's way!"
|
|
|
Post by ilylo on Jun 1, 2006 18:57:23 GMT -5
Why then do they say "we have no rules!" This is an easy one (since the "truth" is so simple, so is the answer to this question). You see, simply saying that "we have no rules" is in itself a rule, therefore they cannot say it. Now, is 2x2ism any clearer for anyone? I thought not.
|
|
|
Post by I bet on Jun 2, 2006 7:25:22 GMT -5
If every home in Professingdom had a TV, workers would have to take money or stop preaching!
|
|
|
Post by sjg on Jun 2, 2006 9:27:55 GMT -5
They would NOT accept my offering of money because I refused to grow my hair out and put on a dress/skirt. Funny, they HAD accepted money from me on other occasions over the course of a year while they were trying to convince me that they were "God's only true messengers." But when I was confronted with the question of hair and dress and I refused....they slammed down the money and couldn't get out the door fast enough.
|
|
|
Post by Gene on Jun 2, 2006 11:29:25 GMT -5
I have first hand knowledge of a worker accepting money from a person who has TV in the home. I have no doubt that in some cases workers would refuse money from a person with a TV, though I have no first-hand knowledge of that.
|
|
|
Post by Awkward on Jul 30, 2006 14:21:53 GMT -5
I know about a lady who was refused her money by a worker because she has a tv at home. She told my mom about it because she was very hurt. She is around 80 yrs. old, and had always given money. I personally, never gave money to the workers in my field. It was too awkward.
|
|
|
Post by not awkward on Jul 30, 2006 15:54:06 GMT -5
We have a TV and the workers take money. Even take it from a non-professing lady who used to profess. I was shocked at that. No problem here.
|
|
|
Post by Guest on Jul 30, 2006 17:41:15 GMT -5
Aren't the workers being judgemental if they do NOT accept money from those that offer it?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2006 18:14:42 GMT -5
Since when are they NOT judgmental? ;D
|
|
|
Post by Simple on Jul 30, 2006 18:34:42 GMT -5
Since when are they NOT judgmental? ;D They have condemned all who do not follow them.............. ............................................................................................ ............................................................................................ .....................Their job is done............................................. ............................................................................................ ....................................................They forgot about the...... Goodnews........................................................................... ............................................................................................ They have no good news, just bad news............................ ............................................................................................ ............................................................................................ Maybe they should get a job and quit conning people........ ............................................................................................ ............................................................................................ Bunch loafers....................................................................... ............................................................................................
|
|
|
Post by Simply reasonable on Jul 30, 2006 18:38:00 GMT -5
There is absolutely NOTHING in the bible that says you can not have a tv!! What on earth are the "friends" or "workers" making this rule for? Everyone needs to mind their own business as to what is in anothers home. If you don't like a TV, then don't watch it. Simple as that!!
|
|
|
Post by amazing on Jul 30, 2006 18:41:14 GMT -5
Ok, so why do workers seem to think it is ok to eat at your table even if you have a t.v? But not to take your money because you have a tv? Inconsistent, right?
|
|
|
Post by Simple on Jul 30, 2006 19:09:30 GMT -5
Ok, so why do workers seem to think it is ok to eat at your table even if you have a t.v? But not to take your money because you have a tv? Inconsistent, right? Lets face it.................................................................... ............................................................................... The "workers" have become an............................... instituition..................................................................................... They can get by without recruiting fresh meat, as long as they keep the show going for the old lazy to tired and scared to get some Truth meat......................................................................... ................................................................................................... Just keep feedin the young with their leaven............................. ................................................................................................... Keep telling them that, the workers are like gravity and if you stop believing in their message and doctrine you will immediately go spinning off into hell. They do not teach anything but themselves............................... ..................................................................................................... I hope this observation does not offend them............................... ...................................................................................................... The workers would be preachin a whole new story after they missed a few meals...................................................................... ...................................................................................................... They have a com-fie little gig........................................................... ........................................................................................................ Don't rock the boat, they might lose hold of their free lunch....... ................................................................................
|
|
|
Post by unaware on Jul 30, 2006 21:47:24 GMT -5
The workers were unaware of the fact that I...after the age of 17, was allowed to have a TV in my bedroom. I am sure that my parents continued to give cash offerings to workers.
|
|
|
Post by rjkee on Jul 31, 2006 9:47:15 GMT -5
Hi, Below is an excerpt from my web site:
On Friday, 8 July 1994, four workers (Bertie Anderson, Walter Milligan, Jack Duncan and Willie McBrine) arrived unannounced at my folks' home, and they were ushered into the room which was already prepared for the Sunday AM meeting. They asked if my Dad had a TV. He said yes, and they then asked when he would be getting rid of it. He informed them that he would not be getting rid of the TV. The four workers immediately imposed the following sentence: The Sunday morning meeting was removed from their home. (A Sunday morning meeting and union meetings had been held there since 1947.) My parents were told they if they attended a meeting, they could not take part (speak or pray) and they would not be allowed to take the emblems (bread and wine). They were forbidden to give monetary contributions to the workers. After the meeting with my parents, the workers reorganised the 2x2 churches in the locality and informed all the members that they would be meeting elsewhere on the following Sunday. The elder/bishop of the church in my parents' home was not consulted regarding any of these arrangements. He was the last person to be informed of my parents' fate.
The full account is given at: members.lycos.co.uk/twobytwo/abuse.htmBest regards Robert (Belfast, N. Ireland)
|
|
|
Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Jul 31, 2006 10:25:00 GMT -5
Wow... seems pretty harsh!
|
|
|
Post by awkward on Aug 1, 2006 9:44:29 GMT -5
It is indeed harsh and unnecessary, but it happens more often than one could imagine.
|
|
|
Post by miss out on Aug 1, 2006 10:16:31 GMT -5
One don't want to miss out on the Mormon documentaries
|
|
|
Post by Andy on Aug 1, 2006 15:50:52 GMT -5
What about being told by a worker " You're needing to come to a mission, to get those ideas knocked out of you !" This was in response to me testing the water to see if I would be accepted back into the fold !
The "ideas" in question were (and still are !) :-
1) I look only to Jesus. I see him alone as the way.
2) I believe some people worshipping in other churches are saved. However, I am not going to judge anyone with regards to salvation. I leave that entirely to God.
Needless to say, I have not undergone my course of re-education !
|
|