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Post by MsMarie on Mar 27, 2006 4:16:39 GMT -5
I don't know the extent of internet access amongst the friends. I hear of this and that person leaving and often wonder whether the internet is a factor in this. The internet is neither good nor bad, but just an information tool with good or bad users.
Did the internet affect your attitude to the Truth? Did you learn something new? I wonder if this is limited to the younger age group who are more likely to have and use a computer?
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Post by ex-teenager on Mar 27, 2006 6:42:56 GMT -5
I don't know the extent of internet access amongst the friends. I hear of this and that person leaving and often wonder whether the internet is a factor in this. The internet is neither good nor bad, but just an information tool with good or bad users. Did the internet affect your attitude to the Truth? Did you learn something new? I wonder if this is limited to the younger age group who are more likely to have and use a computer? I think these sites are 'common' knowledge among the friends and workers. I know quite a few young people, at least 4 who know of these sites. None of them have left. Any who have left appear to have left for other reasons, but who knows.
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Post by we know on Mar 27, 2006 7:30:51 GMT -5
Any who have left appear to have left for other reasons, but who knows. The Workers know! Just ask 'em. The reasons that any left are : 1) They were unwilling, 2) They were unbelieving, 3) They became offended, 4) They were bitter 5) They became too full of themselves 6) They had a wrong spirit.
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Post by llo on Mar 27, 2006 7:33:16 GMT -5
I can remember the first time I typed workers friends in a search engine I just forget which search engine don't think it was google thou !I was to see that William irvine was founder of the two by twos I did mention all I found at first to my elder he knew about William Irvine (my elder in Nipawin sask canada) I thought at first the workers set all this up I told my elder this ? My elder says we knew all about those boys from Ireland long time ago...so I says to him why don't you tell your members then ?He says no they do not need to know ?
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Post by ex-teenager on Mar 27, 2006 9:08:11 GMT -5
Any who have left appear to have left for other reasons, but who knows. The Workers know! Just ask 'em. The reasons that any left are : 1) They were unwilling, 2) They were unbelieving, 3) They became offended, 4) They were bitter 5) They became too full of themselves 6) They had a wrong spirit. Its not really my business so why should I ask. The only person I should ask is the person themself.
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Post by we know on Mar 27, 2006 9:15:05 GMT -5
The only person I should ask is the person themself. Atta boy! Now yer learnin'!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2006 10:01:19 GMT -5
Its not really my business so why should I ask. The only person I should ask is the person themself. Thats much of what this list is all about!
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Post by lloyd logged out on Mar 27, 2006 11:29:35 GMT -5
Thats the problem the 2x2s choose not to communicate with ex2x2s
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Post by ex-teenager on Mar 27, 2006 12:02:54 GMT -5
Thats the problem the 2x2s choose not to communicate with ex2x2s Ive communicated with you twice today already Lloyd!
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Post by Ireland on Mar 27, 2006 12:11:03 GMT -5
Yeah Teenager Thanks now why can't others from my home town do same ?have you got a answer teenager
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Post by ex-teenager on Mar 27, 2006 12:43:45 GMT -5
Yeah Teenager Thanks now why can't others from my home town do same ?have you got a answer teenager I really dont have an answer. It would only be speculation!
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Post by justamom on Mar 27, 2006 12:51:38 GMT -5
Did the internet affect your attitude to the Truth? Did you learn something new? I left meetings way before I got the internet so it didn't have anything to do with my decision to leave.....I wasn't looking to learn anything new when I found the sites... I was working on my family geneology and when I typed in my mom's maiden name up popped the sites because my cousin used to be in the work... I never read the sites to be honest...
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Post by liz on Mar 27, 2006 12:59:26 GMT -5
Ms Marie:
I feel a person has to be ready for the truth about 'The Truth' or it won't make an impact.
God was working in my life in the late 80's & early 90's, prior to all the information available on the web.
I knew about the 'evil books' circulating about but had no desire to read them prior to my spiritual unrest When my spiritual walk began to make no sense to me, I located 'Has the Truth Set you Free' and 'The Secret Sect' and these books helped me to sort through the fallacies of the 2x2 way.
Had I read/looked at them 10 years prior, I would have scoffed at their content....
I don't think a hearty 2x2, who is totally content within the 2x2 way, would be enticed away by the info. on the web.
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Post by jungo on Mar 27, 2006 14:10:37 GMT -5
You can ask the workers why we left, thats fine, but the workers don't mean nothing to me, nor I to them, especialy as long as they take the stance as being the only true church. Which is fine. I understand why they feel that way, because the Spirit they are born again with gives them that revalation.
I am so glad to get away from the workers and give my self only to God, I feel much safer there.
How many times have we heard how the older workers treat their younger companions? My friends I hardly think it is spiritualy sound and it is abusive.
Personaly I am the type of person who has a need for God. And I have always liked things that pertained to the heart.
When I professed, or even before I professed, I had repented from my sins and had turned to God. Was I a perfect person when that happened? No of course not.
When I was with my companion, for six months, which was all I was in the work for, because it was a very emotionaly and psycologicaly abusive time for me. Then being around all the people and trying to be some kind of an example was very neve damaging with that extra crap going on. Yoy might say it was all my fault but i can remember recognising this person i am with, this stuff is not new to him , in fact he's very highly skilled at it.
Before I was in the work and after I was out of the work I saw his other companions and the same thing he was doing to me he was doing to them. I saw how he treated other people at times who were not his companion. It was all a big game to him.
After I left the work he came to the field where I began to live again. How fun. But I kept going to meeting and never said nothing about him. I excepted the way things went and just tried to still be a part of what I believed in.
Well I am not here to bash him or expose him publickly, but I am not afraid of him. He doesn't have any control over me anymore.
I can think of 4 people who are not in the work as of now who were his companion and I would guess if you talked to them, and if they were honest, they would say that it was an abusive situation as well. Because he was always subtly doing things to hurt them and upset there peace.
You see some of these older workers when they first started out, were dealt with in a very strict and harsh manner. One might ask the reason why? Some of them basicaly left the work in their hearts, and were actuallt physicaly leaving the work because of how they were being treated. we have heard about the depression and the suicidal tendencies of the younger workers.
I had a fairly close friendship with an elderly professing couple who I got to know in the place where I lived when I first met the truth. The man I knew had a brother who shot and killed himself I believe right after a convention a while ago. He was a younger copmpanion. They never said much about it, but when they knew I wanted to be in the work they said they hoped I would have a good companion. Ya think it was companion related?
Why were they being treated this way? What is it that people are doing so bad to deserve the unkind treatment?
Well my companion was one of those who left but was talked back into staying. The over seeer who was before him was one of those also. So you see if it happened to them it's going to happen to thier young companions also. It is a game that for the most part is inherited for new workers. I don't know what the percent ratio is as to those who are treated badly to those who arnt , but maybe they can come on line and set me straight with all this.
So as long as I keep seeing post like the one above from we know i will keep telling people how it can really be also. Don't want to but have to.
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Post by liz on Mar 27, 2006 16:16:29 GMT -5
Jungo:
Your post breaks my heart! I know former workers who were mistreated by their companions and I can't imagine such abuse!
That said, am I being naive to ask why such abuse isn't reported to the hierarchy? I imagine one would feel like one's career as a worker is 'on the line' but if enough workers reported such abuse, and a pattern was established, perhaps something could then be done about that particular worker.
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Post by lloyd logged out on Mar 27, 2006 17:08:32 GMT -5
Did the internet affect your attitude to the Truth? Did you learn something new? I left meetings way before I got the internet so it didn't have anything to do with my decision to leave.....I wasn't looking to learn anything new when I found the sites... I was working on my family geneology and when I typed in my mom's maiden name up popped the sites because my cousin used to be in the work... I never read the sites to be honest... So then what were your reasons for leaving then were they differant then mine
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Post by bonnie unlogged on Mar 27, 2006 18:58:33 GMT -5
I too came here because there were several very important aspects of the meetings that I couldn't get my hands around, and no matter how much I asked God to convict me of certain legalist items, He didn't. I also found out that the history of the church was not given to me in full, and so I was miss led. So I went to those sites that we were told to not go to, and the liberty of God has been opened to me like it never was before.
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Post by have on Mar 27, 2006 20:06:28 GMT -5
I too came here because there were several very important aspects of the meetings that I couldn't get my hands around, and no matter how much I asked God to convict me of certain legalist items, He didn't. I also found out that the history of the church was not given to me in full, and so I was miss led. So I went to those sites that we were told to not go to, and the liberty of God has been opened to me like it never was before. have you wondered why God didn't help you get your hands around? did you know God didn't want eve to partake of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil for a reason? now you have come here to hear from man not God what God didn't want you to search out seeing as you could only get it from man unfortunately God has the truth of the matter and people on here don't
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Post by Simple on Mar 27, 2006 20:16:57 GMT -5
I too came here because there were several very important aspects of the meetings that I couldn't get my hands around, and no matter how much I asked God to convict me of certain legalist items, He didn't. I also found out that the history of the church was not given to me in full, and so I was miss led. So I went to those sites that we were told to not go to, and the liberty of God has been opened to me like it never was before. have you wondered why God didn't help you get your hands around? did you know God didn't want eve to partake of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil for a reason? now you have come here to hear from man not God what God didn't want you to search out seeing as you could only get it from man unfortunately God has the truth of the matter and people on here don't Please tell us more? Tell us what you know and how you know it? Tell us about your God? Tell us about your Jesus? Tell us about your world? Tell us all about what you are a witness to? You can tell us about when the workers came to town We will tell you about when Jesus Saved us Hows that for a trade?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2006 4:56:11 GMT -5
have you wondered why God didn't help you get your hands around? did you know God didn't want eve to partake of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil for a reason? now you have come here to hear from man not God what God didn't want you to search out seeing as you could only get it from man unfortunately God has the truth of the matter and people on here don't Please tell us more? Tell us what you know and how you know it? Tell us about your God? Tell us about your Jesus? Tell us about your world? Tell us all about what you are a witness to? You can tell us about when the workers came to town We will tell you about when Jesus Saved us Hows that for a trade? why should i tell you any thing?
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Post by WWJD on Mar 28, 2006 9:34:13 GMT -5
why should i tell you any thing? Good thing Jesus didn't take that attitude.
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Post by Bonnie unlogged on Mar 28, 2006 18:39:07 GMT -5
I too came here because there were several very important aspects of the meetings that I couldn't get my hands around, and no matter how much I asked God to convict me of certain legalist items, He didn't. I also found out that the history of the church was not given to me in full, and so I was miss led. So I went to those sites that we were told to not go to, and the liberty of God has been opened to me like it never was before. have you wondered why God didn't help you get your hands around? did you know God didn't want eve to partake of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil for a reason? now you have come here to hear from man not God what God didn't want you to search out seeing as you could only get it from man unfortunately God has the truth of the matter and people on here don't Actually your wrong. I have gone straight to the Lord with all that I questioned with the F&W church. He and He alone has guided me to where I am now. One important thing I learned was when you believe your in the truth way of Jesus (meaning the group) and you think your right and the world is wrong, you can become lazy. I have such a love for all God's people those who are in the fellowship and out, and have met several wonderful sisters in Christ who never heard of William Irvine.
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Post by iv on Mar 28, 2006 19:09:58 GMT -5
Hey jungo - Were those others who left the work in the same state as you or in the one just to the south. Maybe they were not combined when you preached. Any intials for the others who left probably for the same reason as you.
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Post by just me on Jul 30, 2006 0:43:54 GMT -5
Jungo: Your post breaks my heart! I know former workers who were mistreated by their companions and I can't imagine such abuse! That said, am I being naive to ask why such abuse isn't reported to the hierarchy? I imagine one would feel like one's career as a worker is 'on the line' but if enough workers reported such abuse, and a pattern was established, perhaps something could then be done about that particular worker. Ma'am With respect, look how well that system worked for the Catholic church. All those preists over all those years, and the upper hierarchy covered it up, and THEY have a very public figure to whom they are supposedly accountable to. It has been demonstrated over and over again that higher eschelon persons within an orginization ( especially religious ) are incapable or unwilling to take the actions needed to STOP these persons from hurting more people. When the higher ups are more concerned with public image than with the people they are in charge of watching over, they wont do anything .......... WHEN they decide that a bit of bad press is preferable to a full blown scandal, perhaps they will step-up and act like MEN, perhaps................ till then it goes on, and it gets covered up and those who report it are shamed into leaving or recanting sick and sad
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Post by IQ on Jul 30, 2006 6:37:26 GMT -5
Any who have left appear to have left for other reasons, but who knows. The Workers know! Just ask 'em. The reasons that any left are : 1) They were unwilling, 2) They were unbelieving, 3) They became offended, 4) They were bitter 5) They became too full of themselves 6) They had a wrong spirit. And you doubt this?
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Post by of course on Jul 30, 2006 8:16:55 GMT -5
I too came here because there were several very important aspects of the meetings that I couldn't get my hands around, and no matter how much I asked God to convict me of certain legalist items, He didn't. I also found out that the history of the church was not given to me in full, and so I was miss led. So I went to those sites that we were told to not go to, and the liberty of God has been opened to me like it never was before. have you wondered why God didn't help you get your hands around? did you know God didn't want eve to partake of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil for a reason? now you have come here to hear from man not God what God didn't want you to search out seeing as you could only get it from man unfortunately God has the truth of the matter and people on here don't Yes! Don't you know that God WANTS you to be stupid! He DOESN'T WANT YOU to know the real truth! He WANTS YOU to be part of a manmade lie. DON'T YOU KNOW THAT GOD WANTS YOU TO BE MISLED BY MAN! (Sarcasm off) Yeesh you brainwashed cultist make me ill.
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Post by of course on Jul 30, 2006 8:18:22 GMT -5
why should i tell you any thing? Good thing Jesus didn't take that attitude. Spoken like a true unenlightened bully.
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Post by clarify please on Jul 30, 2006 8:35:00 GMT -5
Spoken like a true unenlightened bully. Which quote, in your opinion, was spoken like a true unenlightened bully? There are two there, you know. 1) Why should I tell you anything? 2) Good thing Jesus didn't take that attitude. Your post is unclear.
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