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Post by maryhig on Oct 23, 2023 0:21:57 GMT -5
Most people today would be surprised to learn that Jesus believed in a bodily eternal life here on earth, instead of eternal bliss for souls, but even more that he did not believe in Hell as a place of eternal torment. In the Roman Catholic Church, many other Christian churches, such as the Methodists, Baptists and Episcopalians, and some Greek Orthodox churches, Hell is taught as the final destiny of those who have not been found worthy after the general resurrection and last judgment, where they will be eternally punished for sin. Think there are some in the 2x2 Church who teach Hell, but the majority don't resort to it. It's a bit of a hangover from the Catholic Church teachings and some of those early 2x2 Irish Workers who were the foundation of the 2x2 Church did bring Hell into their message. But common sense prevailed, they woke up that message just frightens people and drives them away, far better to teach the love of Christ. “Love always wins, no matter the weight or intent of the hatred.” ― Mitta Xinindlu How we wish that the only religion in the World was LOVE, what a different place it would be. But we can start by making TMB a place of love. The world would be a different place if love was the religion. It's sad that there are so many religions that are so divided that they have to fight over which doctrine or god is the right one. Just care about each other, show compassion and love. Like Jesus did?
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Post by maryhig on Oct 23, 2023 0:31:14 GMT -5
I have witnessed small children shaking and crying when they professed. It should have been enough to awaken me out of my stupor. But it wasn't. I feel badly for your grandson, but I have a feeling that his other grandmother is going to balance things out? I am a bit surprised by this, as I am married to a Catholic, and a "Cafeteria/Buffet Catholic" is definitely an accurate descriptor for him. From personal experience, I have found that Eastern Canadian Catholics definitely tend to be more severe, controlling, and cult-like than Western Canadian Catholics. Stories from Eastern Canadian Catholics that make me say "I get it. I totally get it.", leaves Hubby saying "Huh?", "What?" I think we just thought that the kids were so overcome with emotion for making such a huge life changing choice that it was accepted as a more joyful thing. I like his other grandmother and we have a good relationship. I know what she is doing she thinks is done in love. But he has never been raised in a Christian home so finding out about it in that way scared him so much. He told me this summer when we talked about it that he wasn't good enough and so he would go to hell. It broke my heart. I don't want to say anything negative about his other grandmother because I know she loves him, but I had to say that no one knows anything about the afterlife for sure. There are many different opinions of what happens and there was no way that even by Christian terms that he would be bad enough to deserve the hell she believes in. But I just don't understand why it's okay to talk about hell to a child. Why would anyone tell a child they are going to hell? Jesus even used the example of a child to say that those in the kingdom of heaven are like little children, meaning they have the innocence of little children. I can't believe people would tell children they are going to hell, and then think of themselves as going to heaven! They need to examine themselves!
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 23, 2023 0:57:18 GMT -5
I think we just thought that the kids were so overcome with emotion for making such a huge life changing choice that it was accepted as a more joyful thing. I like his other grandmother and we have a good relationship. I know what she is doing she thinks is done in love. But he has never been raised in a Christian home so finding out about it in that way scared him so much. He told me this summer when we talked about it that he wasn't good enough and so he would go to hell. It broke my heart. I don't want to say anything negative about his other grandmother because I know she loves him, but I had to say that no one knows anything about the afterlife for sure. There are many different opinions of what happens and there was no way that even by Christian terms that he would be bad enough to deserve the hell she believes in. But I just don't understand why it's okay to talk about hell to a child. Why would anyone tell a child they are going to hell? Jesus even used the example of a child to say that those in the kingdom of heaven are like little children, meaning they have the innocence of little children. I can't believe people would tell children they are going to hell, and then think of themselves as going to heaven! They need to examine themselves! They do it because it's an effective control technique.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 23, 2023 1:54:58 GMT -5
I think we just thought that the kids were so overcome with emotion for making such a huge life changing choice that it was accepted as a more joyful thing. I like his other grandmother and we have a good relationship. I know what she is doing she thinks is done in love. But he has never been raised in a Christian home so finding out about it in that way scared him so much. He told me this summer when we talked about it that he wasn't good enough and so he would go to hell. It broke my heart. I don't want to say anything negative about his other grandmother because I know she loves him, but I had to say that no one knows anything about the afterlife for sure. There are many different opinions of what happens and there was no way that even by Christian terms that he would be bad enough to deserve the hell she believes in. But I just don't understand why it's okay to talk about hell to a child. Why would anyone tell a child they are going to hell? Jesus even used the example of a child to say that those in the kingdom of heaven are like little children, meaning they have the innocence of little children. I can't believe people would tell children they are going to hell, and then think of themselves as going to heaven! They need to examine themselves! Religion, including yours is all about controlling people. The easiest way to do that is through fear. It's been that way ever since someone made something up about something they knew nothing about and it became a religion.
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Post by maryhig on Oct 23, 2023 4:25:44 GMT -5
Why would anyone tell a child they are going to hell? Jesus even used the example of a child to say that those in the kingdom of heaven are like little children, meaning they have the innocence of little children. I can't believe people would tell children they are going to hell, and then think of themselves as going to heaven! They need to examine themselves! They do it because it's an effective control technique. Well it's sick to do that to a child.
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Post by maryhig on Oct 23, 2023 4:32:25 GMT -5
Why would anyone tell a child they are going to hell? Jesus even used the example of a child to say that those in the kingdom of heaven are like little children, meaning they have the innocence of little children. I can't believe people would tell children they are going to hell, and then think of themselves as going to heaven! They need to examine themselves! Religion, including yours is all about controlling people. The easiest way to do that is through fear. It's been that way ever since someone made something up about something they knew nothing about and it became a religion. Well curly I'll tell you this, our meeting don't control anyone, I've never ever been forced to do anything. We've always had a choice, to attend or not and we don't say anything if people can't come. Our doors are open to anyone if they come then that's good but no one is forced to. We aren't made to do anything, and that includes the way we dress etc. We have to do things from free will not be forced into doing something we don't want to do, God doesn't want robots he wants willing hearts and he wants us to follow Jesus willingly. We all have a choice believe the word of God or not, Jesus didn't force anyone to do anything.
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Post by snow on Oct 23, 2023 15:12:02 GMT -5
The world would be a different place if love was the religion. It's sad that there are so many religions that are so divided that they have to fight over which doctrine or god is the right one. Just care about each other, show compassion and love. Like Jesus did? I'm not sure Jesus did. He talked division in families if they didn't follow him if I remember correctly.
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Post by passingby on Oct 28, 2023 14:44:28 GMT -5
I've very much enjoyed this thread. Thank you to all who took the time to contribute.
I've listened to the life stories of so many people over the years. Religious and not. A common theme seems to be the journey of taking someone else's advice, at some point feeling like a fraud, and finally, hopefully finding your own way to live honestly, hopefully uprightly, to yourself and before others. I think something like that is what struck a chord with so many in the "Free Britney" movement.
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Post by SharonArnold on Oct 28, 2023 16:49:30 GMT -5
I've very much enjoyed this thread. Thank you to all who took the time to contribute. I've listened to the life stories of so many people over the years. Religious and not. A common theme seems to be the journey of taking someone else's advice, at some point feeling like a fraud, and finally, hopefully finding your own way to live honestly, hopefully uprightly, to yourself and before others. I think something like that is what struck a chord with so many in the "Free Britney" movement. There is NO substitute to finding your way in life to live honestly and uprightly, especially to yourself. I can attest to this. And, if you succeed with this, "others" are completely inconsequential. What anyone else thinks of you is entirely their business, not yours.
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Post by passingby on Oct 31, 2023 10:56:21 GMT -5
I've very much enjoyed this thread. Thank you to all who took the time to contribute. I've listened to the life stories of so many people over the years. Religious and not. A common theme seems to be the journey of taking someone else's advice, at some point feeling like a fraud, and finally, hopefully finding your own way to live honestly, hopefully uprightly, to yourself and before others. I think something like that is what struck a chord with so many in the "Free Britney" movement. There is NO substitute to finding your way in life to live honestly and uprightly, especially to yourself. I can attest to this. And, if you succeed with this, "others" are completely inconsequential. What anyone else thinks of you is entirely their business, not yours. I'd say the endless discussions over clothing and hair have everything to do with wanting the freedom to express oneself authentically.
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Post by fixit on Oct 31, 2023 12:09:42 GMT -5
I'm not sure Jesus did. He talked division in families if they didn't follow him if I remember correctly. Division is the result of some living the life of love and justice that Jesus taught and some rejecting that life of love and justice.
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Post by maryhig on Oct 31, 2023 13:32:25 GMT -5
I'm not sure Jesus did. He talked division in families if they didn't follow him if I remember correctly. In what way? The only division he wanted was for people not to join others when they are living wrong. But still be there for them. That's division in a good way not bad. Like if anyone in my family are doing things wrong, I won't do it, but I'll always be there for them.
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Post by snow on Oct 31, 2023 16:10:39 GMT -5
I'm not sure Jesus did. He talked division in families if they didn't follow him if I remember correctly. Division is the result of some living the life of love and justice that Jesus taught and some rejecting that life of love and justice. So Jesus' family wasn't living the live of love and justice? He didn't even acknowledge his family when they told him they were waiting to talk to them.
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Post by fixit on Oct 31, 2023 16:31:14 GMT -5
Division is the result of some living the life of love and justice that Jesus taught and some rejecting that life of love and justice. So Jesus' family wasn't living the live of love and justice? He didn't even acknowledge his family when they told him they were waiting to talk to them. His family didn't understand his mission. They wanted to sieze him at one stage. Division can also result from human misunderstanding. We humans are good at that, are we not?
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Post by snow on Oct 31, 2023 16:37:29 GMT -5
So Jesus' family wasn't living the live of love and justice? He didn't even acknowledge his family when they told him they were waiting to talk to them. His family didn't understand his mission. They wanted to sieze him at one stage. Division can also result from human misunderstanding. We humans are good at that, are we not? Yes we are good at that. Maybe the family was right to be concerned about what he was doing. It did get him crucified after all.
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