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Post by matisse on Jul 24, 2023 5:45:02 GMT -5
Imo, it is important to have teams of people in place who do not answer to any overseers, and who will not feel threatened if bullied by a two-bit brother or sister worker. Some may be put off by Ross, but others will recognize him as someone who will not "tattle" on them or pressure them to stay silent or engage in a smear campaign against them. Thanks matisse! Unlike barbara bfvernon you recognise that given Ross Bowden's track record some will be put off 'true heart Australia'. Not so sure about your 'tattle' comment going by some of his TMB posts? Smear campaigns? Could he be tempted to encourage some to join in his smear campaign against his ex church?.... the awful 2x2s? twt on this I guess? I didn't specify why someone might be put off by Ross. I believe, so far, only the guy whose username reportedly is a collection of your parents' initials has truly concurred with you.
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Post by Dan on Jul 24, 2023 7:05:09 GMT -5
Imo, it is important to have teams of people in place who do not answer to any overseers, and who will not feel threatened if bullied by a two-bit brother or sister worker. Some may be put off by Ross, but others will recognize him as someone who will not "tattle" on them or pressure them to stay silent or engage in a smear campaign against them. Thanks matisse! Unlike barbara bfvernon you recognise that given Ross Bowden's track record some will be put off 'true heart Australia'. Not so sure about your 'tattle' comment going by some of his TMB posts? Smear campaigns? Could he be tempted to encourage some to join in his smear campaign against his ex church?.... the awful 2x2s? twt on this I guess?
Its either a risk of a smear campaign by an ex-member against his ex-church or a smear campaign against the victims by a current devout member? Imo, the church has had ample time and opportunities to address the complaints, but they've resisted doing so by whitewashing the issue, ignoring the victims, and transferring alleged offenders elsewhere. So by default, its almost become a necessity for ex-members to push an ongoing issue until there's a resolution. Of course an ex-member may be biased, but an abused person who's gotten no in-house response would probably be willing to interact with someone who's familiar with the church, because they'd know there's no risk of covering a brothers back to save the reputation of the church.
I watched the 60 minute piece and the bottom line is whether Ross said anything that wasn't true. Direct lies would disqualify anyone from being objective, but I didn't hear him say anything that wasn't true at the time... jmo
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Post by mountain on Jul 24, 2023 7:38:53 GMT -5
Perhaps Internationalstudies has identified a candidate (in his opinion) more suitable than Ross Bowden to fill the roll in this new antipodean initiative? Such things as relevant credentials can be discussed, rather than character assassination.
I'm sure we all recognise the need to have the best people possible involved in this scheme.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 24, 2023 8:01:07 GMT -5
Perhaps Internationalstudies has identified a candidate (in his opinion) more suitable than Ross Bowden to fill the roll in this new antipodean initiative? Such things as relevant credentials can be discussed, rather than character assassination. I'm sure we all recognise the need to have the best people possible involved in this scheme. Maybe Mr Studies should step up and take up the position himself ! He seems to have plenty of time on his hands!
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Post by mountain on Jul 24, 2023 8:07:18 GMT -5
Perhaps Internationalstudies has identified a candidate (in his opinion) more suitable than Ross Bowden to fill the roll in this new antipodean initiative? Such things as relevant credentials can be discussed, rather than character assassination. I'm sure we all recognise the need to have the best people possible involved in this scheme. Maybe Mr Studies should step up and take up the position himself ! He seems to have plenty of time on his hands! Actually that just might be the perfect solution? There's nothing like experience to hone your vision. All it requires are genuine motives.
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Post by snow on Jul 24, 2023 12:02:46 GMT -5
Dearest International Studies Ross is a personal friend of mine. The perpetrator who was exposed on 60 minutes is the uncle of my children, my ex husband’s brother. I therefore have much evidence to support my premise that he is a person of integrity. Ross’ posts here, and on other sites, only outline sound Biblical theology. Like Ross, I feel very sorry for those of you trapped in the bondage of 2x2ism, I pray every day that you will be released and come to enjoy the glorious freedom that we have in Christ, because Christ died for us to have that. Yes, I am a teacher. But not your ordinary run of the mill school teacher. I’ve been around the world and worked/lived in places that none of you have ever been to. I had a university education because God gave me a very good brain. I’m very grateful for all the experiences I’ve had in education because I have met people from all over the world, heard their stories and walked with them a few miles of our journeys. That opened my eyes to the cruel exclusivity of the 2x2s. It was in a tiny school with an enrolment of 100% aboriginal students that I started to attend a Presbyterian Church and met Jesus. What a glorious experience and the beginning of a life of freedom, secure in the knowledge that I am saved! I’m very sorry for you. Please don’t insult me further with denigrating posts. It would be wise to admit that there are other perspectives to consider. You have nothing to be afraid of in expanding your views. Blessings Barbara You refer to "sound biblical theology". You have obviously jumped from one form of exclusivity into another. There are many theologians who would say that yours and Ross's "sound biblical theology" is not at all sound. This is so true. Many biblical scholars would say that what Christians think is true about the origins of their religion is very different from what really happened. I always think it's so absurd that anyone would just jump from the 2x2's into another form of religion and then continue to think 'again' that they know the 'truth'.
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Post by snow on Jul 24, 2023 12:07:36 GMT -5
Dearest International Studies Ross is a personal friend of mine. The perpetrator who was exposed on 60 minutes is the uncle of my children, my ex husband’s brother. I therefore have much evidence to support my premise that he is a person of integrity. Ross’ posts here, and on other sites, only outline sound Biblical theology. Like Ross, I feel very sorry for those of you trapped in the bondage of 2x2ism, I pray every day that you will be released and come to enjoy the glorious freedom that we have in Christ, because Christ died for us to have that. Yes, I am a teacher. But not your ordinary run of the mill school teacher. I’ve been around the world and worked/lived in places that none of you have ever been to. I had a university education because God gave me a very good brain. I’m very grateful for all the experiences I’ve had in education because I have met people from all over the world, heard their stories and walked with them a few miles of our journeys. That opened my eyes to the cruel exclusivity of the 2x2s. It was in a tiny school with an enrolment of 100% aboriginal students that I started to attend a Presbyterian Church and met Jesus. What a glorious experience and the beginning of a life of freedom, secure in the knowledge that I am saved! I’m very sorry for you. Please don’t insult me further with denigrating posts. It would be wise to admit that there are other perspectives to consider. You have nothing to be afraid of in expanding your views. Blessings Barbara Not a fan of review005 by any measure maybe you were not aware, but you wouldn't be the only world traveler here on TMB XNA has been to more countries than anyone I've ever heard of and at the street level...you might want to expand your views to include processing folks that have travelled a bit too and don't have the exact same anti-2x2 takeaway as you. There isn't a continent that my son has not travelled. And he's done a good portion of each continent too. So you do learn from living among other cultures, that is true, but we have to remember that some of the senior workers have also travelled pretty extensively but it's the attitude you take while you are travelling that will make you better understand the cultures you were among. Missionaries are focused on changing other cultures to Christianity. They aren't focused on understanding other cultures religions. So they only learn what they focus on.
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Post by snow on Jul 24, 2023 12:15:51 GMT -5
Imo, it is important to have teams of people in place who do not answer to any overseers, and who will not feel threatened if bullied by a two-bit brother or sister worker. Some may be put off by Ross, but others will recognize him as someone who will not "tattle" on them or pressure them to stay silent or engage in a smear campaign against them. Thanks matisse! Unlike barbara bfvernon you recognise that given Ross Bowden's track record some will be put off 'true heart Australia'. Not so sure about your 'tattle' comment going by some of his TMB posts? Smear campaigns? Could he be tempted to encourage some to join in his smear campaign against his ex church?.... the awful 2x2s? twt on this I guess? I wouldn't worry about that so much at this point. Ross doesn't have to work too hard these days to convince people to leave. Many are doing exactly that now without Ross' help. The overseers have done that to themselves and it's not going to go away like some of them seem to be trying to do. The reputation of the 2x2 ministry is currently in tatters. It will take a great deal of change and transparency for trust to be regained. Ross can be empathetic to those who have been abused by the 2x2 members/workers without actually trying to get them to leave. And, if they do leave maybe that's what they need to do at this point in their lives. If you're worried that he will take away some of your members, I have to ask how is that detrimental to them? You don't believe that salvation is only achieved in your ministry so if they leave and find fellowship in another denomination, why would that matter so much? I don't really understand why you are so dead against people leaving if that is what is best for them at this stage in their lives? Isn't caring for everyone to be stable and happy the whole goal of supporting what other's need, not what we need?
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 24, 2023 15:17:13 GMT -5
Lots of words from lots of people. But at least some honesty. a general consensus and acknowledgement of Ross' naked attempt, 'with his brave truth Australia fig leaf covering' to continue to vent his feelings and continue his 'campaign of charity, love and good will' for the awful 2x2 cult. His rich testimony: God lead him out of and into the paradise of anglican evangelical 2x2 exclusivity, mocking and deriding the deluded 2x2ers for all he is worth!😉
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Post by bfvernon on Jul 24, 2023 17:41:03 GMT -5
How is it a “naked attempt”? He has a lot of supporters. He has political acumen. Is that “naked”?
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 24, 2023 18:09:22 GMT -5
How is it a “naked attempt”? He has a lot of supporters. He has political acumen. Is that “naked”? You are correct, he has a politician's style acumen! ...and has won you over. He is very plausible!You are his personal friend.
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Post by matisse on Jul 24, 2023 18:36:20 GMT -5
Lots of words from lots of people. But at least some honesty. a general consensus and acknowledgement of Ross' naked attempt, 'with his brave truth Australia fig leaf covering' to continue to vent his feelings and continue his 'campaign of charity, love and good will' for the awful 2x2 cult. His rich testimony: God lead him out of and into the paradise of anglican evangelical 2x2 exclusivity, mocking and deriding the deluded 2x2ers for all he is worth!😉 I do not see the "general consensus" that you claim.
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Post by jwatt on Jul 24, 2023 19:58:15 GMT -5
Lots of words from lots of people. But at least some honesty. a general consensus and acknowledgement of Ross' naked attempt, 'with his brave truth Australia fig leaf covering' to continue to vent his feelings and continue his 'campaign of charity, love and good will' for the awful 2x2 cult. His rich testimony: God lead him out of and into the paradise of anglican evangelical 2x2 exclusivity, mocking and deriding the deluded 2x2ers for all he is worth!😉 Ross has done a good job in stepping up to help out and exposing your way on 60 minutes. While you sit back, call names and do nothing. Throwing a tantrum as others wake up to the lying dishonest ways of your church.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 24, 2023 20:00:00 GMT -5
Lots of words from lots of people. But at least some honesty. a general consensus and acknowledgement of Ross' naked attempt, 'with his brave truth Australia fig leaf covering' to continue to vent his feelings and continue his 'campaign of charity, love and good will' for the awful 2x2 cult. His rich testimony: God lead him out of and into the paradise of anglican evangelical 2x2 exclusivity, mocking and deriding the deluded 2x2ers for all he is worth!😉 I do not see the "general consensus" that you claim. Actually you are quite right! Ross has staunch supporters of his fig leaf covering brave truth Australia gig!🤣
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Post by bfvernon on Jul 24, 2023 21:43:55 GMT -5
International Studies, aren’t you bothered by the fact that your organisation appears to have a high rate of abusers in its ranks? Aren’t you bothered by the fact that your organisation has no capacity to deal with them and the survivors? That’s all that Brave Truth wants. Like other posters here, I can’t understand what your problem is because someone in your own ranks should have set up something similar a long time ago.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 24, 2023 22:14:19 GMT -5
International Studies, aren’t you bothered by the fact that your organisation appears to have a high rate of abusers in its ranks? Aren’t you bothered by the fact that your organisation has no capacity to deal with them and the survivors? That’s all that Brave Truth wants. Like other posters here, I can’t understand what your problem is because someone in your own ranks should have set up something similar a long time ago. barbara, "Dear Australian and New Zealand Co-workers, Elders and Friends, We remember you and appreciate you all, in your respective places, near and far. We are united in writing to you after a period of careful consideration. We have undertaken a process of meeting together, consultation with professionals, survivors, and brothers and sisters in our fellowship.
If there is anyone in Australia or New Zealand who has been affected by sexual abuse by anyone in our fellowship including workers, reporting to appropriate authorities is required by law and we are available to speak to any people with concerns.
We have been working individually in each Australian State and in New Zealand to address the issues locally but have now come together as a group of overseers to discuss how we work across both countries in a united way, to improve the prevention of child sexual abuse and support survivors who have been harmed within our fellowship. We all have zero tolerance for the harming of children, young people or anyone within our fellowship. We know we have much work to do to listen to and support survivors of abuse and we are all committed to doing this.
We will work together with the support of professionals and people with lived experience of abuse, to move to a standard policy and approach across all our areas. Our workers will continue to keep up to date with training on preventing child sexual abuse.
In Australia, we will continue maintaining our Working with Children Checks and we will move to a similar approach in New Zealand. We will provide additional details for managing visiting workers and child safe guidelines for convention prior to conventions starting this year. We will regularly update you as we progress. There is no place for people who have harmed children in our meetings and conventions; we ask any individual with a history of causing harm, or with allegations, or convictions not to attend. This includes public gospel meetings.
We have a shared responsibility across our fellowship for the safety of our children and are grateful for each one caring for young ones. We encourage parents, grandparents and any who have regular contact with children to inform themselves about child sexual abuse."But continue to 'cheerlead'/support your personal friend Ross in his latest anti '2x2 cult' 'gig'.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2023 22:48:56 GMT -5
Not a fan of review005 by any measure maybe you were not aware, but you wouldn't be the only world traveler here on TMB XNA has been to more countries than anyone I've ever heard of and at the street level...you might want to expand your views to include processing folks that have travelled a bit too and don't have the exact same anti-2x2 takeaway as you. There isn't a continent that my son has not travelled. And he's done a good portion of each continent too. So you do learn from living among other cultures, that is true, but we have to remember that some of the senior workers have also travelled pretty extensively but it's the attitude you take while you are travelling that will make you better understand the cultures you were among. Missionaries are focused on changing other cultures to Christianity. They aren't focused on understanding other cultures religions. So they only learn what they focus on. Yes, blending in or at minimum being respectful is what one should do 100%...
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Post by chuck on Jul 25, 2023 1:17:17 GMT -5
I do not see the "general consensus" that you claim. Actually you are quite right! Ross has staunch supporters of his fig leaf covering brave truth Australia gig!🤣 What is he covering?.
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Post by chuck on Jul 25, 2023 1:21:46 GMT -5
Lots of words from lots of people. But at least some honesty. a general consensus and acknowledgement of Ross' naked attempt, 'with his brave truth Australia fig leaf covering' to continue to vent his feelings and continue his 'campaign of charity, love and good will' for the awful 2x2 cult. His rich testimony: God lead him out of and into the paradise of anglican evangelical 2x2 exclusivity, mocking and deriding the deluded 2x2ers for all he is worth!😉 Ross has done a good job in stepping up to help out and exposing your way on 60 minutes. While you sit back, call names and do nothing. Throwing a tantrum as others wake up to the lying dishonest ways of your church. It must be scaring the crap outa these guys that quite a lot of people are realising they don't actually need them.... Around the globe the scrabbling to retain power by a considerable portion of the ministry is being uncovered for many to see. Full self preservation mode.
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Post by chuck on Jul 25, 2023 1:45:18 GMT -5
International Studies, aren’t you bothered by the fact that your organisation appears to have a high rate of abusers in its ranks? Aren’t you bothered by the fact that your organisation has no capacity to deal with them and the survivors? That’s all that Brave Truth wants. Like other posters here, I can’t understand what your problem is because someone in your own ranks should have set up something similar a long time ago. barbara, "Dear Australian and New Zealand Co-workers, Elders and Friends, We remember you and appreciate you all, in your respective places, near and far. We are united in writing to you after a period of careful consideration. We have undertaken a process of meeting together, consultation with professionals, survivors, and brothers and sisters in our fellowship.
If there is anyone in Australia or New Zealand who has been affected by sexual abuse by anyone in our fellowship including workers, reporting to appropriate authorities is required by law and we are available to speak to any people with concerns.
We have been working individually in each Australian State and in New Zealand to address the issues locally but have now come together as a group of overseers to discuss how we work across both countries in a united way, to improve the prevention of child sexual abuse and support survivors who have been harmed within our fellowship. We all have zero tolerance for the harming of children, young people or anyone within our fellowship. We know we have much work to do to listen to and support survivors of abuse and we are all committed to doing this.
We will work together with the support of professionals and people with lived experience of abuse, to move to a standard policy and approach across all our areas. Our workers will continue to keep up to date with training on preventing child sexual abuse.
In Australia, we will continue maintaining our Working with Children Checks and we will move to a similar approach in New Zealand. We will provide additional details for managing visiting workers and child safe guidelines for convention prior to conventions starting this year. We will regularly update you as we progress. There is no place for people who have harmed children in our meetings and conventions; we ask any individual with a history of causing harm, or with allegations, or convictions not to attend. This includes public gospel meetings.
We have a shared responsibility across our fellowship for the safety of our children and are grateful for each one caring for young ones. We encourage parents, grandparents and any who have regular contact with children to inform themselves about child sexual abuse."But continue to 'cheerlead'/support your personal friend Ross in his latest anti '2x2 cult' 'gig'. What a load of bs. Currently things are happening that directly contradict this letter that are known by those who signed their name at the bottom of it. Either you are complicit or blind. If you think all this flowery dribble about all the things that are being put in place are a solution you are very much mistaken, I amazed at how many people find comfort in the assurance that all this CSA training is going to take place.....I mean who needs CSA training to know its wrong? and what the fudge have they been reading in their bible all this time for it to get to this point in the first place...... There are serious fundemental issues that underly this and it will not be rectified by flowery letters from the head honchos about all the window dressing that's going to take place. The heart of the matter is the religious doctrine. And you are displaying it in full by whining about Ross helping people who were supposedly under the care of the ministry you are a part of and your main concern is about who Ross may influence away from your church........
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2023 2:03:11 GMT -5
"Dear Australian and New Zealand Co-workers, Elders and Friends, We remember you and appreciate you all, in your respective places, near and far. We are united in writing to you after a period of careful consideration. We have undertaken a process of meeting together, consultation with professionals, survivors, and brothers and sisters in our fellowship.
If there is anyone in Australia or New Zealand who has been affected by sexual abuse by anyone in our fellowship including workers, reporting to appropriate authorities is required by law and we are available to speak to any people with concerns.
We have been working individually in each Australian State and in New Zealand to address the issues locally but have now come together as a group of overseers to discuss how we work across both countries in a united way, to improve the prevention of child sexual abuse and support survivors who have been harmed within our fellowship. We all have zero tolerance for the harming of children, young people or anyone within our fellowship. We know we have much work to do to listen to and support survivors of abuse and we are all committed to doing this.
We will work together with the support of professionals and people with lived experience of abuse, to move to a standard policy and approach across all our areas. Our workers will continue to keep up to date with training on preventing child sexual abuse.
In Australia, we will continue maintaining our Working with Children Checks and we will move to a similar approach in New Zealand. We will provide additional details for managing visiting workers and child safe guidelines for convention prior to conventions starting this year. We will regularly update you as we progress. There is no place for people who have harmed children in our meetings and conventions; we ask any individual with a history of causing harm, or with allegations, or convictions not to attend. This includes public gospel meetings.
We have a shared responsibility across our fellowship for the safety of our children and are grateful for each one caring for young ones. We encourage parents, grandparents and any who have regular contact with children to inform themselves about child sexual abuse."But continue to 'cheerlead'/support your personal friend Ross in his latest anti '2x2 cult' 'gig'. What a load of bs. Currently things are happening that directly contradict this letter that are known by those who signed their name at the bottom of it. Either you are complicit or blind. If you think all this flowery dribble about all the things that are being put in place are a solution you are very much mistaken, I amazed at how many people find comfort in the assurance that all this CSA training is going to take place.....I mean who needs CSA training to know its wrong? and what the fudge have they been reading in their bible all this time for it to get to this point in the first place...... There are serious fundemental issues that underly this and it will not be rectified by flowery letters from the head honchos about all the window dressing that's going to take place. The heart of the matter is the religious doctrine. And you are displaying it in full by whining about Ross helping people who were supposedly under the care of the ministry you are a part of and your main concern is about who Ross may influence away from your church........ Umm I'm sure it gets mentioned at some point its wrong/evil/whatever but that's not the goal of CSA training per se, it covers prevention, detection and reaction, nub...
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Post by Persona non grata on Jul 25, 2023 2:34:52 GMT -5
Lots of words from lots of people. But at least some honesty. a general consensus and acknowledgement of Ross' naked attempt, 'with his brave truth Australia fig leaf covering' to continue to vent his feelings and continue his 'campaign of charity, love and good will' for the awful 2x2 cult. His rich testimony: God lead him out of and into the paradise of anglican evangelical 2x2 exclusivity, mocking and deriding the deluded 2x2ers for all he is worth!😉 If by “naked”, you mean “transparent”, then it is only the absence of any real, transparent alternative, that makes it necessary for such organizations as BTA. If your heart truly is in the right place, then, instead of attacking others’ motives, and undermining their attempts to help, please focus your efforts on making the ministry honest and transparent, and ensuring that the fellowship becomes a safe place for the vulnerable. I know and appreciate that you personally are working towards this, but the tone of the majority of your posts here, only create further distrust in your ministry. To you, and your co-workers: please, please hear the cry of the sheep; the need for honesty, transparency, and humility, is great and URGENT!
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Post by mountain on Jul 25, 2023 3:07:01 GMT -5
I do not see the "general consensus" that you claim. Actually you are quite right! Ross has staunch supporters of his fig leaf covering brave truth Australia gig!🤣 Ints Dude. Forget about Ross. YOU are the man for the job. Go for it. You are in the BEST position to influence the necessary changes in practices and behaviour to eradicate all that's bad in the F&W's sect, transforming it into a purified font of living water that would constantly refresh and uplift the souls of its members. Yes YOU Ints! You can do it. Show that you are a better man than Ross. Back up your criticism with solid action. You're my man. I'm going to keep at you until you do the right thing and sweep the floor of all the abuses, rather than lift the carpet. Stop thinking about it. Get out there and do it. The sect needs you more than ever. Step up to the plate. The survival of the F&Ws sect lies on YOUR shoulders, NOT Ross's!
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Post by menatwork on Jul 25, 2023 4:32:15 GMT -5
Actually you are quite right! Ross has staunch supporters of his fig leaf covering brave truth Australia gig!🤣 Ints Dude. Forget about Ross. YOU are the man for the job. Go for it. You are in the BEST position to influence the necessary changes in practices and behaviour to eradicate all that's bad in the F&W's sect, transforming it into a purified font of living water that would constantly refresh and uplift the souls of its members. Yes YOU Ints! You can do it. Show that you are a better man than Ross. Back up your criticism with solid action. You're my man. I'm going to keep at you until you do the right thing and sweep the floor of all the abuses, rather than lift the carpet. Stop thinking about it. Get out there and do it. The sect needs you more than ever. Step up to the plate. The survival of the F&Ws sect lies on YOUR shoulders, NOT Ross's! Good thinking mountain! Mr studies could offer to join the membership of TBTA to help make a difference!
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Post by giuseppe on Jul 25, 2023 4:48:56 GMT -5
Actually you are quite right! Ross has staunch supporters of his fig leaf covering brave truth Australia gig!🤣 Ints Dude. Forget about Ross. YOU are the man for the job. Go for it. You are in the BEST position to influence the necessary changes in practices and behaviour to eradicate all that's bad in the F&W's sect, transforming it into a purified font of living water that would constantly refresh and uplift the souls of its members. Yes YOU Ints! You can do it. Show that you are a better man than Ross. Back up your criticism with solid action. You're my man. I'm going to keep at you until you do the right thing and sweep the floor of all the abuses, rather than lift the carpet. Stop thinking about it. Get out there and do it. The sect needs you more than ever. Step up to the plate. The survival of the F&Ws sect lies on YOUR shoulders, NOT Ross's! Mama Mia forget it. International studies only interested in preserving the meetings, has no empathy for victims of CSA or SA. You wasting your time. He get so excited about ridiculing everyone else but show no action to help with the problem.
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Post by internationalstudies on Jul 25, 2023 5:28:46 GMT -5
Mama Mia forget it. International studies only interested in preserving the meetings, has no empathy for victims of CSA or SA. You wasting your time. He get so excited about ridiculing everyone else but show no action to help with the problem. "Dear Australian and New Zealand Co-workers, Elders and Friends, We remember you and appreciate you all, in your respective places, near and far. We are united in writing to you after a period of careful consideration. We have undertaken a process of meeting together, consultation with professionals, survivors, and brothers and sisters in our fellowship.If there is anyone in Australia or New Zealand who has been affected by sexual abuse by anyone in our fellowship including workers, reporting to appropriate authorities is required by law and we are available to speak to any people with concerns.We have been working individually in each Australian State and in New Zealand to address the issues locally but have now come together as a group of overseers to discuss how we work across both countries in a united way, to improve the prevention of child sexual abuse and support survivors who have been harmed within our fellowship. We all have zero tolerance for the harming of children, young people or anyone within our fellowship. We know we have much work to do to listen to and support survivors of abuse and we are all committed to doing this. We will work together with the support of professionals and people with lived experience of abuse, to move to a standard policy and approach across all our areas. Our workers will continue to keep up to date with training on preventing child sexual abuse. In Australia, we will continue maintaining our Working with Children Checks and we will move to a similar approach in New Zealand. We will provide additional details for managing visiting workers and child safe guidelines for convention prior to conventions starting this year. We will regularly update you as we progress. There is no place for people who have harmed children in our meetings and conventions; we ask any individual with a history of causing harm, or with allegations, or convictions not to attend. This includes public gospel meetings.
We have a shared responsibility across our fellowship for the safety of our children and are grateful for each one caring for young ones. We encourage parents, grandparents and any who have regular contact with children to inform themselves about child sexual abuse."
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Post by mountain on Jul 25, 2023 5:28:50 GMT -5
Ints Dude. Forget about Ross. YOU are the man for the job. Go for it. You are in the BEST position to influence the necessary changes in practices and behaviour to eradicate all that's bad in the F&W's sect, transforming it into a purified font of living water that would constantly refresh and uplift the souls of its members. Yes YOU Ints! You can do it. Show that you are a better man than Ross. Back up your criticism with solid action. You're my man. I'm going to keep at you until you do the right thing and sweep the floor of all the abuses, rather than lift the carpet. Stop thinking about it. Get out there and do it. The sect needs you more than ever. Step up to the plate. The survival of the F&Ws sect lies on YOUR shoulders, NOT Ross's! Mama Mia forget it. International studies only interested in preserving the meetings, has no empathy for victims of CSA or SA. You wasting your time. He get so excited about ridiculing everyone else but show no action to help with the problem. That is exactly why he is the right man for the job. Everything to prove about himself and everything to disprove about himself. He would be like a new broom which sweeps clean......and not under the carpet. He can even call his group Justice Working At The Truth! If he wants to, I am willing to offer moral support, though I am half a planet away (in more ways than one!).
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Post by chuck on Jul 25, 2023 5:29:57 GMT -5
Lots of words from lots of people. But at least some honesty. a general consensus and acknowledgement of Ross' naked attempt, 'with his brave truth Australia fig leaf covering' to continue to vent his feelings and continue his 'campaign of charity, love and good will' for the awful 2x2 cult. His rich testimony: God lead him out of and into the paradise of anglican evangelical 2x2 exclusivity, mocking and deriding the deluded 2x2ers for all he is worth!😉 If by “naked”, you mean “transparent”, then it is only the absence of any real, transparent alternative, that makes it necessary for such organizations as BTA. If your heart truly is in the right place, then, instead of attacking others’ motives, and undermining their attempts to help, please focus your efforts on making the ministry honest and transparent, and ensuring that the fellowship becomes a safe place for the vulnerable. I know and appreciate that you personally are working towards this, but the tone of the majority of your posts here, only create further distrust in your ministry. To you, and your co-workers: please, please hear the cry of the sheep; the need for honesty, transparency, and humility, is great and URGENT! There is a story about attacking others motives. A certain king sent a delegation to comfort a neighbour who's father had just died. The advisors of the neighbour said, "this king is not worried about comforting you, he only sent them to spy with a scheme to overthrow you". So they humiliated the delegation and sent them packing back to the king. Then after they realised they had actually made a mistake they didn't apologise but they doubled down and it lead to their death. Some things I get from this story is, the neighbour and his advisors assumed scheming bad intent of the king because that what they woukd have done if they were in his position....and when you are not a very nice person you dont think anyone not like you is capable of giving comfort but rather has alterior motives.......
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