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Post by Brenda on Jul 27, 2006 22:43:11 GMT -5
why do you have that as your avatar? I would think no matter ex or still in the 2x2 system that would be regarded as not accepted--
I honestly think an explanation is due.......................
If having a Nazi symbol is supposed to be a joke-- then it falls very flat
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Post by P2ST4WJ on Jul 28, 2006 10:35:19 GMT -5
why do you have that as your avatar? I would think no matter ex or still in the 2x2 system that would be regarded as not accepted-- I honestly think an explanation is due....................... If having a Nazi symbol is supposed to be a joke-- then it falls very flat jumper has just as much right to show his values in his avater as do the gay pple on this board who go out of there way to show theirs. everyone defends the gay pple who proclaim their sexuality by displaying pics of them and their partners. so i am assuming the nazi symbol represents who jumper is. and i support his right to express his or herself.
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Post by botany on Jul 28, 2006 13:31:25 GMT -5
By the nazi symbol, I assume you mean the swastika. The swastika is nothing more than a cross. Are you going to harp on the cross? andy Upon further immediate exploring, I found out much more about the swastika. It is very interesting, including what is claimed that some American soldiers in WW1 used the swastika. Read what I did, at history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/a/swastikahistory.htm .
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Post by Not quite on Jul 28, 2006 13:48:16 GMT -5
jumper has just as much right to show his values in his avater as do the gay pple on this board who go out of there way to show theirs. everyone defends the gay pple who proclaim their sexuality by displaying pics of them and their partners. so i am assuming the nazi symbol represents who jumper is. and i support his right to express his or herself. You are in error. Depending on where he lives, there very well may be laws against the display of Nazi regalia. In Germany, for example, such laws do exist. On the other hand he may live in the US under the umbrella of free speech. And although I do not support the symbol I do support the right to display it and am glad there are organizations like the American Civil Liberties Union that protect people's rights even though it may not be a popular right.
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Post by mrleo on Jul 28, 2006 13:55:52 GMT -5
I have an old brass "good luck" coin with a swastika (non-tilted), four-leaf clover, horse shoe, elephant, the all-seeing eye and other such symbols on it.
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Post by We got you on Jul 28, 2006 13:59:57 GMT -5
I have an old brass "good luck" coin with a swastika (non-tilted), four-leaf clover, horse shoe, elephant, the all-seeing eye and other such symbols on it. OK. Pack up your things. We've got you. Report to the nearest police statn. Go ahead. Do in now.
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Post by mrleo on Jul 28, 2006 14:15:57 GMT -5
lol Don't tell anyone, but I also have some other "souvenirs" that have the real thing on them...the person I bought my house from was the widow of a WWII vet, and a lot of his stuff was left in the basement when I moved in. It's a bit of an embarrassment...I have no desire to display them, but they're too valuable to throw away and most likely illegal to sell.
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Post by jumper on Jul 28, 2006 16:02:43 GMT -5
why do you have that as your avatar? I would think no matter ex or still in the 2x2 system that would be regarded as not accepted-- I honestly think an explanation is due....................... If having a Nazi symbol is supposed to be a joke-- then it falls very flat no, it is not a joke. it signifies my belief system and my values in the Libertarian National Socialist Green Party. if you would like some FAQ on where we stand, please read nazi.org/library/faq/why on earth would you say something like it would not be accepted? are my beliefs less valuable then yours?
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Post by Sylvestra on Jul 28, 2006 16:43:57 GMT -5
Okay!! Now you have my attention!!
What country are you from? Is your organization a multi-national one?
Best, Edy
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Post by BJunlogged on Jul 28, 2006 17:28:20 GMT -5
I still feel the Nazi symbol is very poor taste-- but you do have your right to an opinion--
I dont care if it is a cross--and/or if it has "other" meanings-- when most people see a swastica they think of Hilter-- and I think of 6 million jewish people murdered.
I am surprised it does not offend others-- but that is their opinion also
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Post by jumper on Jul 28, 2006 17:31:57 GMT -5
yes, the ideology of the Libertarian National Socialist Green Party is worldwide, though not prevelant in some areas.
i reside in the united states of america where the movement is strong and has many followers.
there is no need to be offended. as you will notice in the faq, we do not advocate harm and most memebers are christians.
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Post by to BJ on Jul 28, 2006 17:35:54 GMT -5
I agree with you, BJ. I looked at the website, and anyway you slice it just takes gall, or possibly naivete, in the extreme to not understand the repulsion caused by the symbol of Hilter - unquestionably one of the most evil men in history.
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Post by To jumper on Jul 28, 2006 17:41:36 GMT -5
From the sites FAQs:
We reject morality in all its forms as unnatural.
Jumper, Can you explain how a Christian can endorse this belief?
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Post by No One on Jul 28, 2006 17:46:12 GMT -5
I still feel the Nazi symbol is very poor taste-- but you do have your right to an opinion-- I dont care if it is a cross--and/or if it has "other" meanings-- when most people see a swastica they think of Hilter-- and I think of 6 million jewish people murdered. I am surprised it does not offend others-- but that is their opinion also No one said they were not offended. But what we find shocking is odd. Hitler et al. were responsible for the deaths of millions. It is often the first name people throw out to shock. But Hitler was a piker compared to Stalin yet for some reason Stalin remains in that grey area of people who existed but is not universally considered to be the epitome of evil. Does this symbol cause the same shock? Could it be that the USSR was on the side of the US?
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Post by Do not read too closely on Jul 28, 2006 18:07:39 GMT -5
yes, the ideology of the Libertarian National Socialist Green Party is worldwide, though not prevelant in some areas. i reside in the united states of america where the movement is strong and has many followers. there is no need to be offended. as you will notice in the faq, we do not advocate harm and most memebers are christians. There are a number of odd things in the FAQ. It says: To be a Nazi means that one is a nationalist, or one who believes that a nation should be delineated by genetic familiarity, and that within that nation one advocates "socialism" or the collective support of individuals in society.But nationalism is not the belief that "a nation should be delineated by genetic familiarity." This is the old pure race argument. A few more common definitions: na·ttionalalsm (năsh'əsh'əlĭnəəm, nz'əmnə-) sh'nən. 1) Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation. 2) The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals. 3) Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination. The Nazis wanted Europe - an Indo-European homeland - safe for Indo-Europeans only, and were repelling yet another invasion of nonwhites into Europe. This is a fair action because if you mix two populations, you end up with a third, and all of the traits of the two ingredients are compromised into a new element.Hints of ethnic cleansing. Jesus would qualify as being Caucasoid yet the Jews (same race) somehow did not. As Jumper posted: [b}there is no need to be offended. as you will notice in the faq, we do not advocate harm and most memebers are christians. [/b] From the websites FAQ (red text added) We do however support the right of nations, or local groups, to maintain racial standards for areas under their jurisdiction. Our membership and events are open to people of all races, ages, genders, sexual preferences, ethnicities, and origins, although we do actively discriminate against those so foolish to admit to believership in Judaism or Christianity.So what do we think? Jumper has never read what the group believes in or is not a Christian? Perhaps just a fool and a troll.
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Post by tellme on Jul 28, 2006 23:52:53 GMT -5
Jumper, Can you explain how a Christian can endorse this belief? Who called him a Christian?
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Post by RobO unplugged on Jul 29, 2006 0:14:45 GMT -5
I certainly think Stalin was as bad as Hitler. Any person or group that systematically targets other groups for extermination are equally evil whether they kill 10, 1000 or millions. But just throwing this out as a possibility....maybe Hitler is considered the epitome of evil because Nazi Germany was defeated and its secrets opened to the view of the whole world. This didn't happen to the USSR.
In any case, with rights come responsibilities. The right to free speech does not mean anything goes. I don't see how there can be any meaningful categorical comparison between a gay person displaying a photo of themselves with their partner and the displaying of a symbol co-opted by the Nazis and which has become synonymous with the evil of that regime. Jumper may think (s)he is making a point that if gay people can display a harmless picture that some others still find offensive, then (s)he has the same right to use a swastika as an avatar. Is Jumper also expressing agreement with Hitler's sentiment that gays should also be exterminated?
Personally, I think using a swastika is tasteless, inflammatory and mocks the millions who were murdered under the banners waving it.
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Post by to Edy on Jul 29, 2006 1:35:16 GMT -5
Okay!! Now you have my attention!! What country are you from? Is your organization a multi-national one? Best, Edy By the way, I think your books purporting the current jews to be nonjews is quite nazi oriented propaganda. Is that their way of excusing their antisemitism as antiedomites?? You best recheck your authors validity and their views.
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Post by He did on Jul 29, 2006 5:50:08 GMT -5
Jumper, Can you explain how a Christian can endorse this belief? Who called him a Christian? He claimed most members were Christian even though the FAQ states the group "actively discriminate against those so foolish to admit to believership in Judaism or Christianity." Personally I think he is trolling for response.
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Post by Sylvestra on Jul 29, 2006 15:34:42 GMT -5
Okay!! Now you have my attention!! What country are you from? Is your organization a multi-national one? Best, Edy By the way, I think your books purporting the current jews to be nonjews is quite nazi oriented propaganda. Is that their way of excusing their antisemitism as antiedomites?? You best recheck your authors validity and their views. Uh, which current Jews? Zionists among which there are MANY atheists and are not Jews at all? Who do you suppose John the Revelator was speaking about when it was revealed to him, (Rev. 2:9) I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou are rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." and something similar in Rev. 3:9. Gee, there must be someone running around at some point that say they are "Jews" but they're not! Edy P.S. (added later) To nameless one: Nazi oriented? I pray daily that the enemies of Christ, no matter what their stripe, would turn their hearts to God. They all belong to Him, and to each we must have charity!
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Post by Sylvestra on Jul 29, 2006 15:38:09 GMT -5
Rob,
You said, "I certainly think Stalin was as bad as Hitler. Any person or group that systematically targets other groups for extermination are equally evil whether they kill 10, 1000 or millions. But just throwing this out as a possibility....maybe Hitler is considered the epitome of evil because Nazi Germany was defeated and its secrets opened to the view of the whole world. This didn't happen to the USSR. "
With this thought in mind that this includes any person or group, it reminded me of these words:
"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." --- David Ben-Gurion, from Ben-Gurion, a Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar (May 1948)
And I'm sure you know who David Ben-Gurion was!!
Best regards, Edy
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Post by Jews and Jews on Jul 29, 2006 16:46:44 GMT -5
By the way, I think your books purporting the current jews to be nonjews is quite nazi oriented propaganda. Is that their way of excusing their antisemitism as antiedomites?? You best recheck your authors validity and their views. Uh, which current Jews? Zionists among which there are MANY atheists and are not Jews at all? Who do you suppose John the Revelator was speaking about when it was revealed to him, (Rev. 2:9) I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou are rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." and something similar in Rev. 3:9. Gee, there must be someone running around at some point that say they are "Jews" but they're not! There are Jews that describe an ethnic group and there are Jews practicing Judiasm. The groups are not mutually exclusive but people may be part of either or both groups.
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Post by freedom of sPEEch on Jul 29, 2006 17:38:16 GMT -5
Just exercising my freedom of s PEEch...
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Post by There on Jul 29, 2006 19:12:51 GMT -5
Just exercising my freedom of s PEEch... ><snip> So much for your freedom of speech. I guess Ilylo didn't want you to display that image.
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Post by bowhunter on Jul 30, 2006 22:39:55 GMT -5
A swastika is what you make of it. In our county court house there are still colorful tiles in the shape of swastikas ( We haven't totally fallen for the Politically Correct Bovine Stuff-yet) I saw on the Outdoor channel a story about Plains Indians and there garment decoration patterns--'swastikas' were an occasional symbol!! Bet they weren't Nazis and obviously couldn't have borrowed it as Hitler was not around yet. ;D
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Post by jumper on Jul 31, 2006 11:48:00 GMT -5
this is your typical situation of hypocrits.. telling someone they cant be a nazi and a christian.. but you can be a homosexual and a christian.. or that works dont matter.. or that we arents saved by grace.
yes, as someone correctly pointed out, the originazition does reject all forms or morality. however that is in terms of the orginizations believe in seperation of church and state and government sponsored morality.
someone else made a good point about stalin.. he did kill millions and millions.. however its only hitler you ever hear about. while some deny the holocuast, most acknowledge it did happen. however, just like hitler's "evil", it is great sensationalized. the winners write the history books. and so stalin escapes scrutiny and its all pinned on hitler. the holocaust was greatly over stated and it was merely a country at war neutralizing a threat within its borders. the same that thing every country would do (even the united states did it with the japanese).
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Post by A line on Jul 31, 2006 12:01:34 GMT -5
this is your typical situation of hypocrits.. telling someone they cant be a nazi and a christian.. but you can be a homosexual and a christian.. or that works dont matter.. or that we arents saved by grace. I was only quoting your organization's literature in pointing out that they "actively discriminate against those so foolish to admit to believership in Judaism or Christianity." It doesn't seem to be an orgnization that Christian's would want to join. You don't see many blacks in the KKK. This is just bulls hit! The Jews were never a military threat. They were used by the government to set up an "us vs. them" atmosphere and give the people of Germany a common enemy. The Japanese were not a threat in the US but they were moved - not eliminated. In some cases in might have been for their own safety but that is still no excuse to what was done. In both cases the countries involved were wrong in doing what they did. The gay people, at least the ones on this board and any I know of, do not have an adgenda of ethnic purity. As far as ethnic purity goes, I think the human race has already missed the boat.
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Post by ClayRandall on Jul 31, 2006 12:13:13 GMT -5
this is your typical situation of hypocrits.. telling someone they cant be a nazi and a christian.. but you can be a homosexual and a christian.. or that works dont matter.. or that we arents saved by grace. yes, as someone correctly pointed out, the originazition does reject all forms or morality. however that is in terms of the orginizations believe in seperation of church and state and government sponsored morality. someone else made a good point about stalin.. he did kill millions and millions.. however its only hitler you ever hear about. while some deny the holocuast, most acknowledge it did happen. however, just like hitler's "evil", it is great sensationalized. the winners write the history books. and so stalin escapes scrutiny and its all pinned on hitler. the holocaust was greatly over stated and it was merely a country at war neutralizing a threat within its borders. the same that thing every country would do (even the united states did it with the japanese). This is priceless. I have read the FAQs and found them to be the usual hypocritical nonsense. It is intellectually inferior, logically inferior, and morally inferior. Of course it wasn't necessary to read the whole site. All you have to do is notice that Jumper put the word "evil", as in Hitler's "evil", in quotations.
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