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Post by rudyw on Jul 31, 2022 9:57:18 GMT -5
IMO these’two men’ appear this way to you simply because you don’t agree with their worldview. Nothing angers a liberal more than someone who has the audacity to disagree with him/her/them. You fly in and out Rudy & read a few posts ......You miss, the anger, hate, negativity for TMB members; ex's, atheists and agnostics, some christians & it has been evident for long enough. One can have a world view without the negative reference to TMB members. So if you feel comfortable with being called ' horrible' by a professing person and countless other toxic stuff, thats your reality. My observation is that the name calling and negativity is a two-edged sword. It swings both ways. I don’t think it’s accurate to call out only two men on being angry, etc That’s my observation. As for me flying in and reading a few posts: There’s a lot I don’t read and don’t comment on because I’m not informed (like most politics). I don’t watch the news & don’t get the newspaper so I honestly rarely have an informed opinion on certain things. So, I read only what interests me, and subjects I’m familiar with. So, yes, it’s possible that I miss a lot of the negativity in this board.
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Post by guest8 on Jul 31, 2022 12:57:44 GMT -5
So .. by ones's own admission, 'theres a lot you don't read on tmb' but one can stride in and assess what's fair or accurate in context.
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Post by rudyw on Jul 31, 2022 13:37:39 GMT -5
So .. by ones's own admission, 'theres a lot you don't read on tmb' but one can stride in and assess what's fair or accurate in context. Yes, I’m aware of what happens in this board. I’ve seen enough to know that both believers and nonbelievers are both guilty of negativity and unfair accusations. One doesn’t have to read the entire board to gauge the temperature of the board. Why should I read things I’m not interested in?
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Post by rudyw on Jul 31, 2022 13:45:15 GMT -5
IMO these’two men’ appear this way to you simply because you don’t agree with their worldview. Nothing angers a liberal more than someone who has the audacity to disagree with him/her/them. Then I expect that you've also noticed that it angers a conservative in a similar manner -- otherwise they wouldn't be so angry. I’m not so sure anger is always caused because someone disagrees with your personal opinion. It’s the name calling, insinuations, etc that go along with disagreements that cause frustration and anger.
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Post by rudyw on Jul 31, 2022 13:46:31 GMT -5
Condolences. I wish you a speedy recovery. A speedy recovery from what?
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Post by xna on Jul 31, 2022 15:01:51 GMT -5
Condolences. I wish you a speedy recovery. A speedy recovery from what? From what I know, this video explains the beliefs of the Jehovah Witness.
If this video is how you were raised, then you must have been raised to also believe:
- the bible is a source of evidence (he asserts this over and over) - the bible is a good way of knowing a thing - the bible asserts you have a soul - the bible asserts some souls will perish upon death - the bible asserts some souls will have eternal life - the bible asserts there is sin which you will be judged. - the bible asserts there is a god
I do prefer this form of eternal life vs. the orthodox view of eternal punishment for a finite crime, which on its face is an immoral sentence.
I do agree that morality is conditional, but it is not based on any supernatural text, but by humans by general agreement. What is generally agreed to be moral changes with time, and from culture to culture. It also changed from the OT, to the NT. The bible has many assertions which are today generally considered immoral. From the best evidence in 2022, all humans live once, and die once, anything else is wishful thinking.
None of what is in this video is supported by anything outside of the bible. Being raised with these beliefs, at best wastes a lot of the one life you know you have, and at worst you are outsourcing your morality and make decisions which are not based on promoting human flourishing and minimizing suffering but following an ancient middle eastern mythology.
I suspect you believe what this video says is true, but just believing something is true, doesn't make it true. What is most true is in accordance with facts and reality.
If you were raised to believe these things, then it's no fault of your own. But at some point if you are interested in knowing what is true, you should question what you believe, and why. Here is an example of "the outsiders test of faith which may be a helpful way to find out what is true about your beliefs.
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Post by rudyw on Jul 31, 2022 15:50:51 GMT -5
A speedy recovery from what? From what I know, this video explains the beliefs of the Jehovah Witness.
If this video is how you were raised, then you must have been raised to also believe:
- the bible is a source of evidence (he asserts this over and over) - the bible is a good way of knowing a thing - the bible asserts you have a soul - the bible asserts some souls will perish upon death - the bible asserts some souls will have eternal life - the bible asserts there is sin which you will be judged. - the bible asserts there is a god
I do prefer this form of eternal life vs. the orthodox view of eternal punishment for a finite crime, which on its face is an immoral sentence.
I do agree that morality is conditional, but it is not based on any supernatural text, but by humans by general agreement. What is generally agreed to be moral changes with time, and from culture to culture. It also changed from the OT, to the NT. The bible has many assertions which are today generally considered immoral. From the best evidence in 2022, all humans live once, and die once, anything else is wishful thinking.
None of what is in this video is supported by anything outside of the bible. Being raised with these beliefs, at best wastes a lot of the one life you know you have, and at worst you are outsourcing your morality and make decisions which are not based on promoting human flourishing and minimizing suffering but following an ancient middle eastern mythology.
I suspect you believe what this video says is true, but just believing something is true, doesn't make it true. What is most true is in accordance with facts and reality.
If you were raised to believe these things, then it's no fault of your own. But at some point if you are interested in knowing what is true, you should question what you believe, and why. Here is an example of "the outsiders test of faith which may be a helpful way to find out what is true about your beliefs.
Thank you for the reply. I appreciate it. Jehovah’s Witnesses do believe this, but the doctrine didn’t originate with them (which I’m sure you know.) some Baptists teach it; some Churches of Christ, Advent Christians, 7-Day Adventists, Christadelphians and more. I’ve ventured outside the box of my faith before, and I’ve studied other religions, and have heard many, many arguments for atheism. I’m familiar with the Bhagavadgita (I read it many times when I’d wandered away from Christ) as well as the Koran. Some of every religion is beautiful, and some of every religion can be disturbing. I’ve attempted to get away from the Bible, God and Jesus in the past, but attempting to flee from my roots didn’t make my life better. It almost destroyed my marriage, my relationship with my parents, siblings etc. I wont comment on atheism except to say that it makes no sense to me. It doesn’t bother me one iota that Conditional Immortality isn’t taught anywhere except the Bible. It makes sense to me. Belief in God, the Bible, Jesus, etc has improved my life, and has probably saved my life. It works for me, and I have many reasons for believing it all. Note: Reasons & Proof are two different things. I may not have definite proof of a lot of what I believe, but I have many reasons for believing those things. That’s good enough for me. I’ll check that video out in a while.
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Post by xna on Jul 31, 2022 16:45:44 GMT -5
Some of every religion is beautiful, and some of every religion can be disturbing. I find this to be true.
I’ve attempted to get away from the Bible, God and Jesus in the past, but attempting to flee from my roots didn’t make my life better. It almost destroyed my marriage, my relationship with my parents, siblings etc. . . . Belief in God, the Bible, Jesus, etc has improved my life, and has probably saved my life. Some people are better off believing in a religion vs the course they are on.
I have a relative who was on hard drugs, and if but for being saved by Jesus, he most likely would have died very young. He got off drugs and soon after became a preacher. Now some 40 years later he still is a preacher and off drugs.
It works for me, and I have many reasons for believing it all. Note: Reasons & Proof are two different things. I may not have definite proof of a lot of what I believe, but I have many reasons for believing those things. That’s good enough for me. I agree, reasons and proof, are two different things.
I find people give different reasons for what they believe.
- They my not know the reason for their beliefs - The reasons for their belief are not supported by facts. - The reasons for their belief are supported by facts
I find some people don't want to know what's true, but they prefer their version of reality, because it makes them happy. I had a boss that would say; don't tell me any bad news. That doesn't work for me. I would rather hear both the good, and the bad.
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Post by rudyw on Jul 31, 2022 17:27:49 GMT -5
Some of every religion is beautiful, and some of every religion can be disturbing. I find this to be true.
I’ve attempted to get away from the Bible, God and Jesus in the past, but attempting to flee from my roots didn’t make my life better. It almost destroyed my marriage, my relationship with my parents, siblings etc. . . . Belief in God, the Bible, Jesus, etc has improved my life, and has probably saved my life. Some people are better off believing in a religion vs the course they are on.
I have a relative who was on hard drugs, and if but for being saved by Jesus, he most likely would have died very young. He got off drugs and soon after became a preacher. Now some 40 years later he still is a preacher and off drugs.
It works for me, and I have many reasons for believing it all. Note: Reasons & Proof are two different things. I may not have definite proof of a lot of what I believe, but I have many reasons for believing those things. That’s good enough for me. I agree, reasons and proof, are two different things.
I find people give different reasons for what they believe.
- They my not know the reason for their beliefs - The reasons for their belief are not supported by facts. - The reasons for their belief are supported by facts
I find some people don't want to know what's true, but they prefer their version of reality, because it makes them happy. I had a boss that would say; don't tell me any bad news. That doesn't work for me. I would rather hear both the good, and the bad. Thanks for this reply. It was refreshing & made my day. I think it was very well said 😀
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Post by guest8 on Jul 31, 2022 17:46:52 GMT -5
Then I expect that you've also noticed that it angers a conservative in a similar manner -- otherwise they wouldn't be so angry. I’m not so sure anger is always caused because someone disagrees with your personal opinion. It’s the name calling, insinuations, etc that go along with disagreements that cause frustration and anger. So in that vein, you need to direst your opinions to those you at times show bias to. They may not simply, ' click like' on your post. oh thats right,.....you choose not to read some posts. Convenient.
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Post by rudyw on Jul 31, 2022 19:49:31 GMT -5
I’m not so sure anger is always caused because someone disagrees with your personal opinion. It’s the name calling, insinuations, etc that go along with disagreements that cause frustration and anger. So in that vein, you need to direst your opinions to those you at times show bias to. They may not simply, ' click like' on your post. oh thats right,.....you choose not to read some posts. Convenient. My only thought on your comments is that perhaps you should clean up your own act, and not worry so much about others. It’s obvious you don’t like me. And that’s okay with me. It’s not the first time someone has disliked me. If I dislike someone, I simply avoid them. It eases stress.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2022 20:02:47 GMT -5
So in that vein, you need to direst your opinions to those you at times show bias to. They may not simply, ' click like' on your post. oh thats right,.....you choose not to read some posts. Convenient. My only thought on your comments is that perhaps you should clean up your own act, and not worry so much about others. It’s obvious you don’t like me. And that’s okay with me. It’s not the first time someone has disliked me. If I dislike someone, I simply avoid them. It eases stress. You haven't had a proper greeting from TMB until the lefties and atheist take a crack at you...
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Post by guest8 on Jul 31, 2022 20:02:48 GMT -5
So in that vein, you need to direst your opinions to those you at times show bias to. They may not simply, ' click like' on your post. oh thats right,.....you choose not to read some posts. Convenient. My only thought on your comments is that perhaps you should clean up your own act, and not worry so much about others. It’s obvious you don’t like me. And that’s okay with me. It’s not the first time someone has disliked me. If I dislike someone, I simply avoid them. It eases stress. I don't dislike 'you' Rudy, I dislike your obvious bias. These are my thoughts on your comments.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2022 20:05:03 GMT -5
My only thought on your comments is that perhaps you should clean up your own act, and not worry so much about others. It’s obvious you don’t like me. And that’s okay with me. It’s not the first time someone has disliked me. If I dislike someone, I simply avoid them. It eases stress. I don't dislike 'you' Rudy, I dislike your obvious bias. These are my thoughts on your comments. Wait till she calls you ugly or hateful, then you will be properly Christianized...
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 31, 2022 20:34:41 GMT -5
Then I expect that you've also noticed that it angers a conservative in a similar manner -- otherwise they wouldn't be so angry. I’m not so sure anger is always caused because someone disagrees with your personal opinion. It’s the name calling, insinuations, etc that go along with disagreements that cause frustration and anger. Hang around. You'll find that the biggest name-caller here considers himself the best conservative.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 31, 2022 20:35:28 GMT -5
I don't dislike 'you' Rudy, I dislike your obvious bias. These are my thoughts on your comments. Wait till she calls you ugly or hateful, then you will be properly Christianized... "Ugly" and "hateful" are adjectives, not names.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2022 20:37:59 GMT -5
Wait till she calls you ugly or hateful, then you will be properly Christianized... "Ugly" and "hateful" are adjectives, not names. Did I say they were names?
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Post by rudyw on Aug 4, 2022 1:14:40 GMT -5
My only thought on your comments is that perhaps you should clean up your own act, and not worry so much about others. It’s obvious you don’t like me. And that’s okay with me. It’s not the first time someone has disliked me. If I dislike someone, I simply avoid them. It eases stress. I don't dislike 'you' Rudy, I dislike your obvious bias. These are my thoughts on your comments. One man’s bias is another man’s enmity. Everyone holds some sort of bias in their heart, including you. Likes & dislikes (biases) are what make each of us unique. Biases are not always bad (though some can be.) Yes, I’m biased in many ways, just as you are. It would be a very boring world if we all shared the same biases. I’m not ashamed of my biases.
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Post by guest8 on Aug 4, 2022 2:23:53 GMT -5
I don't dislike 'you' Rudy, I dislike your obvious bias. These are my thoughts on your comments. One man’s bias is another man’s enmity. Everyone holds some sort of bias in their heart, including you. Likes & dislikes (biases) are what make each of us unique. Biases are not always bad (though some can be.) Yes, I’m biased in many ways, just as you are. It would be a very boring world if we all shared the same biases. I’m not ashamed of my biases. Thats right, removed from the original context. Pointless dialogue. Good night Rudy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2022 9:22:59 GMT -5
One man’s bias is another man’s enmity. Everyone holds some sort of bias in their heart, including you. Likes & dislikes (biases) are what make each of us unique. Biases are not always bad (though some can be.) Yes, I’m biased in many ways, just as you are. It would be a very boring world if we all shared the same biases. I’m not ashamed of my biases. Thats right, removed from the original context. Pointless dialogue. Good might Rudy. *night
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Post by rudyw on Aug 5, 2022 19:32:04 GMT -5
One man’s bias is another man’s enmity. Everyone holds some sort of bias in their heart, including you. Likes & dislikes (biases) are what make each of us unique. Biases are not always bad (though some can be.) Yes, I’m biased in many ways, just as you are. It would be a very boring world if we all shared the same biases. I’m not ashamed of my biases. Thats right, removed from the original context. Pointless dialogue. Good night Rudy. I’m not sure what you expect from me, Guest8. I read what interests me, participate in threads that I think I think I actually might have some insight into, and avoid threads I have no interest in or that I think are above my pay grade. I ‘Like’ certain people’s posts simply because I agree with them or am empathetic to them. I admit I have biases, and find it interesting that you don’t admit yours. So, what is it you expect of me? It sounds as if you want me to be something I am not.
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