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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 22:20:36 GMT -5
Out of curiosity wally, is this one of the people that shunned you for alleged unspecified wrongdoing on your part? Interestingly, it was the likes of those who knew what he was doing who tolerated it, but passed the limit of their punishment on Wally. Amazing. They didn't even give Wally the option of moving to another state and forget his "problem". That might actually be a good point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 22:25:54 GMT -5
It's lucky for Wally and Bruer that stoning is no longer permitted. Going by the law you would have been doomed like everyone else. It's a wonder any Jew survived to the 1st century.
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Post by verna on Mar 23, 2023 22:26:14 GMT -5
Wow, had no idea. Have received no letters or emails on this. Deserves an investigation for this allegation. Lets not crucify him yet. Saw on another site that all Oregon friends are being notified. That would include you Wally?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 22:30:19 GMT -5
Wow, had no idea. Have received no letters or emails on this. Deserves an investigation for this allegation. Lets not crucify him yet. Saw on another site that all Oregon friends are being notified. That would include you Wally? Nope not my bailiwick.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 23, 2023 22:30:55 GMT -5
It's lucky for Wally and Bruer that stoning is no longer permitted. Going by the law even you would have been doomed like everyone else. It's a wonder any Jew survived to the 1st century. One slight problem with your idea is that stoning only applied to members of the jew cult. I don't give a toss about your religious ego trips.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 23, 2023 22:35:44 GMT -5
How much money did you give the workers which would have enabled Bruer to rent a motel room so he could have his way with little girls? How much money did you give the Gov't back in the day that did the same thing through several departments or given to businesses/organizations that had the same thing happen or have you never paid taxes or bought items from a store? How are those nice shoes you wear when in the woods that children in slavery and abuse made? Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones... Red herrings you wally.
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Post by verna on Mar 23, 2023 22:41:32 GMT -5
Saw on another site that all Oregon friends are being notified. That would include you Wally? Nope not my bailiwick. Is that your way of saying you don’t live in Oregon? My mistake I guess. I thought you did.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 23, 2023 22:49:12 GMT -5
Is that your way of saying you don’t live in Oregon? My mistake I guess. I thought you did. Bruer turned out to be a dirty old man. (Not too old) Wally's support enables the dirty old men in organiations such as the cult Wally belongs to. Kill everything but the virgin girls was what the jews god used to say. How much like the jews was Bruer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 22:50:30 GMT -5
Going by the law even you would have been doomed like everyone else. It's a wonder any Jew survived to the 1st century. One slight problem with your idea is that stoning only applied to members of the jew cult. I don't give a toss about your religious ego trips. You suggested what would have happened under the law, or the law should be brought back. If the law is back you are in trouble just like everyone else if you had lived under the law you would have also been in trouble...Good try though... Knowing scripture has nothing to do with ego.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 22:53:12 GMT -5
How much money did you give the Gov't back in the day that did the same thing through several departments or given to businesses/organizations that had the same thing happen or have you never paid taxes or bought items from a store? How are those nice shoes you wear when in the woods that children in slavery and abuse made? Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones... Red herrings you wally. Revealing (which you did on your own) your hypocrisy is hardly a red herring. "Red herrings you wally" seems to be an incomplete sentence, might want to brush up on your English...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 22:54:51 GMT -5
Is that your way of saying you don’t live in Oregon? My mistake I guess. I thought you did. Wally's support enables the dirty old men in organiations such as the cult Wally belongs to. Projecting your own actions onto others is more than revealing...Just sayin'
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 23, 2023 22:55:09 GMT -5
One slight problem with your idea is that stoning only applied to members of the jew cult. I don't give a toss about your religious ego trips. You suggested what would have happened under the law, or the law should be brought back. If the law is back you are in trouble just like everyone else if you had lived under the law you would have also been in trouble...Good try though... Knowing scripture has nothing to do with ego. I guess you are too thick to u derstand that I am neither jew nor christian. Did stoning apply to Hindu's or worshippers of the big red Jedi; no. Your cult. Your punishment. As t stones crash down on your head you are allowed to think of Filipana hotties,redheads and Raquel Welch.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 23, 2023 22:58:17 GMT -5
Wally's support enables the dirty old men in organiations such as the cult Wally belongs to. Projecting your own actions onto others is more than revealing...Just sayin' o You keep whining about projection. That's classic narcissist speak. My sentence was complete. Your simplified American english just cannot comprehend the nuances of the King's english.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 22:59:35 GMT -5
You suggested what would have happened under the law, or the law should be brought back. If the law is back you are in trouble just like everyone else if you had lived under the law you would have also been in trouble...Good try though... Knowing scripture has nothing to do with ego. I guess you are too thick to u derstand that I am neither jew nor christian. Did stoning apply to Hindu's or worshippers of the big red Jedi; no. Your cult. Your punishment. As t stones crash down on your head you are allowed to think of Filipana hotties,redheads and Raquel Welch. *understand *Filipina *the In your rush to spew you missed a few things there... You don't even understand your own statements. If stoning didn't apply to Hindu's or Big Red Jedi followers why would it apply to Christian gentiles like me? You are swinging at the wind again. Just helping you since you can't do much...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 23:02:17 GMT -5
Projecting your own actions onto others is more than revealing...Just sayin' o You keep whining about projection. That's classic narcissist speak. My sentence was complete. Your simplified American english just cannot comprehend the nuances of the King's english. *o ? *English *English Umm no, projection affects more people than just narcissists like you. How is the King BTW.
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Post by openingact34 on Mar 24, 2023 11:56:08 GMT -5
Can you guys even imagine the West Overseers meetings?
Ira Hobbs, Leslie White, Dean Bruer. Big red flags around some of the others too. It was literally a PREDATORS CONVENTION. What the hell did these guys talk about and do when they got together?
Remote and private convention grounds with your pick of victims guarded by brainwashed and unquestioning grounds keepers....Scary stuff
This cult is WAY darker than I ever thought
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 24, 2023 12:25:55 GMT -5
Letter re: Dean Bruer March 20, 2023 Our Dear Friends It is with a very heavy heart we share the following difficult information, but we feel it is imperative that we do so. We trust vou will understang ano be in goreement We have come to the tragic conclusion that Dean Bruer had another side to his life that none of us, except victims, ever witnessed or suspected it has come to the surace in recent months and more so in recent weeks. that Dean was a sexual predator. We never respect or defend such fotally inappropriate behavior among us. There is a very united consensus among us that the only thing to do is to be transparent with all of you for obvious reasons, though this is very difficult. We are very sorry for the hurt this will bring to the hearts of many. Thankfully, he is no longer in a position to hurt anyone. Some things have come to light from Dean's own records. Dean had his own Best Western Hotel preferred customer account and spent a considerable amount of time and money in motels. As we all know, when he died last June, it was in a motel in Government Camp, OR; a place that he frequented. The receipts often included "two guests. Victims have come forward, and there was very confirming and incriminating evidence found on his computer and phone. His actions include rape and abuse of underage victims. He totally abused his authority as an overseer in order to control, manipulate and threaten his victims. We are strongly recommending our staff look at the Ministry Safe Program and possibly other venues that help understand, recognize, and prevent such problems. Overwhelmingly, our greatest concern in all of this is the victims. known and unknown. We do hope and pray this message somehow reaches the ears of every unknown victim if there are more. We feel very anxious to assure them that we are anxious to do everything possible to be a support. We understand that people like this are dangerously equipped to twist what has happened in such a way that the victim feels it's their fault, and thereby the predator's criminal behavior is hidden from others. We assure you, there is no possibility anyone will lay blame, except at the feet of the ONE very wrong man who has caused your pain. We are sorry! We hope you will have courage to reach out to any of us, or anyone that you feel you can talk to. We understand your need for privacy as well as support working through this, and we all intend to respect that. None of us had any idea that such terrible things were happening until several woks after his death. There is no possible way that this would not have been immediately reported had we known. Some of us very much regret that we didn't somehow discover his actions and prevent more pain. We all feel betrayed naturally. We have come to the conclusion that the very dangerous thing about people like him is that they do what they do without conscience, thus it's much easier for them to pretend to be something that they aren't. We cannot live a lie when we love truth, and honestly live before God, respecting His approval as the scripture teaches us. We sang recently, "All through the storm I see they face beaming with love and with saving grace." Our desperate prayer for you all, especially anyone that has been hurt, is that God will show Himself very strong. In Mark 4, the disciples found themselves in the worst storm of their life which caused a lot of distress. But at the conclusion of the storm there was a greater appreciation than ever for the miracle capacity Jesus had to deliver perfect peace despite storms. Our hearts desperately ache for the disappointment and sense of betrayal this will bring to countless hearts and again especially for the pain inflicted to victims. We pray the miracle somehow, someway, someday, will be as great as it was in Mark 4 for all. Keep close to God dear friends. There is an immense capacity in the hand of God to help us. Thank you for all the prayers we know this will generate! Sincerely you brother Doyle S ( can’t even give his last name) . That is odd
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2023 13:11:40 GMT -5
Notice his use of all-caps "ONE" when taking about the only person who could be blamed.
And NO mention of going to police (which he, as a mandated reporter was required to do, even if the perp was dead).
Other people have notified police though, and provided his contact information.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 24, 2023 14:47:01 GMT -5
Wally's not an elder -- they're not going to let him real the letter. Bob's not good at spelling even as a teacher. *read not *real I have eel fingers, don't you know?
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 24, 2023 15:00:04 GMT -5
Out of curiosity wally, is this one of the people that shunned you for alleged unspecified wrongdoing on your part? No, it was a different overseer. No, Dean wouldn't have done that to Wally. Just like he tolerated Nathan for years. Dean was so compromised himself that he couldn't risk involving. himself in a case like sexual impropriety and blasphemy.
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Post by Admin on Mar 24, 2023 21:07:41 GMT -5
Its with a very heavy heart we deliver this news. The coroners office called Lori Grant this morning - her number was on a permission to drive letter in the car that Dean Bruer was driving. He stopped at a hotel at Gov Camp last night - apparently not feeling good?? When the maid entered the room this morning about 10 he was slumped over in a chair in his pajamas. The police came and it was confirmed he was gone. No evidence at all of foul play. He had medication for high blood pressure they say. They say his legs were swollen consistent with a cardiac issue. So quite apparent it was a fatal heart attack. We weren't able to get details until his sister called first. Josh and I are on the way to pick up his belongings and car. The older brothers know as of a few minutes ago. There will be more details forthcoming obviously - just did want to let you know. Corrected and full story to date posted above.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 24, 2023 21:24:14 GMT -5
Heart attack absolutely possible . If he had Amyl nitrite and Erectile dysfunction drugs such as Viagra and Sildenafil. To enhance the pleasure , that combo would cause a heart attack . But I am certain workers would not use such items . Ya right and the tooth fairy is real Hahahaha
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 13:06:49 GMT -5
The Clackamas County Sheriff's Department is asking anyone with information pertaining to the rape of women and children by Bruer over the course of the last 50 years to contact them. Areas include Oregon, Idaho, Alaska, Washington, Wyoming "and beyond".
Phone number is (503) 655-8211 Case Reference Number 23-006111
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 25, 2023 13:08:51 GMT -5
The Clackamas County Sheriff's Department is asking anyone with information pertaining to the rape of women and children by Bruer over the course of the last 50 years to contact them. Areas include Oregon, Idaho, Alaska, Washington, Wyoming "and beyond". Phone number is (503) 655-8211 Case Reference Number 23-006111 Calgary police are checking as he was a guest in Canada many times . I have supplied a reference number if anyone wishes to speak anonymously . Thanks to admin btw
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 25, 2023 13:24:36 GMT -5
Is that your way of saying you don’t live in Oregon? My mistake I guess. I thought you did. Nate does Verna
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Post by verna on Mar 25, 2023 14:15:29 GMT -5
Is that your way of saying you don’t live in Oregon? My mistake I guess. I thought you did. Nate does Verna Yes I realized my error. Thx.
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Post by snow on Mar 25, 2023 14:30:23 GMT -5
The Clackamas County Sheriff's Department is asking anyone with information pertaining to the rape of women and children by Bruer over the course of the last 50 years to contact them. Areas include Oregon, Idaho, Alaska, Washington, Wyoming "and beyond". Phone number is (503) 655-8211 Case Reference Number 23-006111 Calgary police are checking as he was a guest in Canada many times . I have supplied a reference number if anyone wishes to speak anonymously . Thanks to admin btw Good thank you chinesewhispers.
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Post by snow on Mar 25, 2023 14:39:31 GMT -5
Wally I know that you don't support this type of behavior. Your comment about it's in other organizations made it look like you were defending Deans actions. I don't think that was your intent, but it did look like you were trying to direct attention away from the F&W's by pointing that out. The topic is not 'other organizations' right now. It's about something horrific in your group that no one needs to defend. We know that not all workers and friends are like that. But it's also tragically clear that quite a number in positions of authority in the group, are like that. That needs to change and only transparency will push the workers to do that. They weren't going to hand over the phone or the laptop until they were pressured when ex 2x2's started sharing that letter with friend and family still in. The phone was wiped and given to another worker so who knows what was deleted off the computer. Thankfully the police have both now and are investigating. But the real problem is that the workers that have known for almost 9 months didn't turn it over immediately in an attempt to make it all go away. In the mean time other predators in the Truth have still got access to children that have not been made aware that they need to be careful. That is criminal imo.
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