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Post by xna on Nov 17, 2021 9:09:53 GMT -5
From another thread, one reason given for believing in Christianity was; " No other religion proclaimed and demonstrated divine love." When I examine the Christian god I don't see divine love. It fits more with being in an abusive relationship. Just the story that god killed nearly everyone in a worldwide flood, and made an eternal dungeon, where most will suffer in hell, is enough for me to understand there isn't much to back up the divine love claim. - I don't know enough about all the other religions god's to be certain which god is the most loving, but I understand Jainism has never undertaken a crusade or an Inquisition or a witch trial or charged others with heresy. - Today undernutrition is a contributory factor in the death of 3.1 million children under five every year. Where is the divine love for the starving children? - The bible has internal contradictions on his divine love. Matthew 5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God”
Matthew 10:34 “I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law – a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.
- Steve Wells covers the opposite of divine love in his book Drunk with Blood: God's Killings in the Bible
"Drunk With Blood includes a separate account for each of God's 158 killings. These stories fill the pages of the Bible, yet they are seldom read in church and are ignored by most Bible believers, which is a shame because God is so proud of his killings:"
Stephen Fry on the divine love of god
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2021 21:07:53 GMT -5
From another thread, one reason given for believing in Christianity was; " No other religion proclaimed and demonstrated divine love." When I examine the Christian god I don't see divine love. It fits more with being in an abusive relationship. Just the story that god killed nearly everyone in a worldwide flood, and made an eternal dungeon, where most will suffer in hell, is enough for me to understand there isn't much to back up the divine love claim. - I don't know enough about all the other religions god's to be certain which god is the most loving, but I understand Jainism has never undertaken a crusade or an Inquisition or a witch trial or charged others with heresy. - Today undernutrition is a contributory factor in the death of 3.1 million children under five every year. Where is the divine love for the starving children? - The bible has internal contradictions on his divine love. Matthew 5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God”
Matthew 10:34 “I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law – a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.
- Steve Wells covers the opposite of divine love in his book Drunk with Blood: God's Killings in the Bible
"Drunk With Blood includes a separate account for each of God's 158 killings. These stories fill the pages of the Bible, yet they are seldom read in church and are ignored by most Bible believers, which is a shame because God is so proud of his killings:"
Stephen Fry on the divine love of god When a parent punishes a child is that Love or abuse?
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Post by xna on Nov 17, 2021 21:38:38 GMT -5
When a parent punishes a child is that Love or abuse? It's situational dependent, case by case.
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Post by Dan on Nov 18, 2021 0:37:02 GMT -5
From another thread, one reason given for believing in Christianity was; " No other religion proclaimed and demonstrated divine love." When I examine the Christian god I don't see divine love. It fits more with being in an abusive relationship.
"Greater love hath no man then this, that a man lay down his life for his friends" (John 15:13) Nothing abusive about what Jesus did for us!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2021 0:54:26 GMT -5
When a parent punishes a child is that Love or abuse? It's situational dependent, case by case. Nice dodge!
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Post by Dan on Nov 18, 2021 1:09:40 GMT -5
"Drunk With Blood includes a separate account for each of God's 158 killings. These stories fill the pages of the Bible, yet they are seldom read in church and are ignored by most Bible believers, which is a shame because God is so proud of his killings:"
Technically, God hasn't killed anyone yet.. He has just seen fit to physically end a lot of lives when there was absolutely no hope of redemption left for them.
"And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually" (Genesis 6:5)
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 18, 2021 2:09:08 GMT -5
From another thread, one reason given for believing in Christianity was; " No other religion proclaimed and demonstrated divine love." When I examine the Christian god I don't see divine love. It fits more with being in an abusive relationship. Just the story that god killed nearly everyone in a worldwide flood, and made an eternal dungeon, where most will suffer in hell, is enough for me to understand there isn't much to back up the divine love claim. - I don't know enough about all the other religions god's to be certain which god is the most loving, but I understand Jainism has never undertaken a crusade or an Inquisition or a witch trial or charged others with heresy. - Today undernutrition is a contributory factor in the death of 3.1 million children under five every year. Where is the divine love for the starving children? - The bible has internal contradictions on his divine love. Matthew 5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God”
Matthew 10:34 “I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law – a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.
- Steve Wells covers the opposite of divine love in his book Drunk with Blood: God's Killings in the Bible
"Drunk With Blood includes a separate account for each of God's 158 killings. These stories fill the pages of the Bible, yet they are seldom read in church and are ignored by most Bible believers, which is a shame because God is so proud of his killings:Stephen Fry on the divine love of god I always love to hear Stephen Fry!
He doesn't quibble, -he says it just like it is!
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Post by xna on Nov 18, 2021 2:40:49 GMT -5
"Drunk With Blood includes a separate account for each of God's 158 killings. These stories fill the pages of the Bible, yet they are seldom read in church and are ignored by most Bible believers, which is a shame because God is so proud of his killings:"
Technically, God hasn't killed anyone yet.. He has just seen fit to physically end a lot of lives when there was absolutely no hope of redemption left for them.
"And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually" (Genesis 6:5)
Doesn’t “smote” mean kill? Exodus 12:29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, …
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2021 2:43:38 GMT -5
Technically, God hasn't killed anyone yet.. He has just seen fit to physically end a lot of lives when there was absolutely no hope of redemption left for them.
"And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually" (Genesis 6:5)
Doesn’t “smote” mean kill? Exodus 12:29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, … That is okay after Christ ascended Satan has more than made up the difference in the slaughter dept.
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Post by maryhig on Nov 18, 2021 4:04:37 GMT -5
Technically, God hasn't killed anyone yet.. He has just seen fit to physically end a lot of lives when there was absolutely no hope of redemption left for them.
"And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually" (Genesis 6:5)
Doesn’t “smote” mean kill? Exodus 12:29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, … Smote can mean hit too as seen here. Matthew 26:67 Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him; and others smote him with the palms of their hands,
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Post by maryhig on Nov 18, 2021 4:08:11 GMT -5
From another thread, one reason given for believing in Christianity was; " No other religion proclaimed and demonstrated divine love." When I examine the Christian god I don't see divine love. It fits more with being in an abusive relationship. Just the story that god killed nearly everyone in a worldwide flood, and made an eternal dungeon, where most will suffer in hell, is enough for me to understand there isn't much to back up the divine love claim. - I don't know enough about all the other religions god's to be certain which god is the most loving, but I understand Jainism has never undertaken a crusade or an Inquisition or a witch trial or charged others with heresy. - Today undernutrition is a contributory factor in the death of 3.1 million children under five every year. Where is the divine love for the starving children? - The bible has internal contradictions on his divine love. Matthew 5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God”
Matthew 10:34 “I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law – a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.
- Steve Wells covers the opposite of divine love in his book Drunk with Blood: God's Killings in the Bible
"Drunk With Blood includes a separate account for each of God's 158 killings. These stories fill the pages of the Bible, yet they are seldom read in church and are ignored by most Bible believers, which is a shame because God is so proud of his killings:"
Stephen Fry on the divine love of god The Bible is full of deeper meanings, when it says God puts to death, it can also means puts sin to death. Paul said I die daily, he wasn't literally dying daily, he was turning from his sinful ways daily. For example, if we stop smoking, it doesn't have a hold on us anymore, so it is dead to us.
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Post by xna on Nov 18, 2021 6:47:40 GMT -5
Doesn’t “smote” mean kill? Exodus 12:29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, … Smote can mean hit too as seen here. Matthew 26:67 Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him; and others smote him with the palms of their hands, Is it ever ok to slap a one year old baby?
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Post by xna on Nov 18, 2021 6:53:59 GMT -5
From another thread, one reason given for believing in Christianity was; " No other religion proclaimed and demonstrated divine love." When I examine the Christian god I don't see divine love. It fits more with being in an abusive relationship. Just the story that god killed nearly everyone in a worldwide flood, and made an eternal dungeon, where most will suffer in hell, is enough for me to understand there isn't much to back up the divine love claim. - I don't know enough about all the other religions god's to be certain which god is the most loving, but I understand Jainism has never undertaken a crusade or an Inquisition or a witch trial or charged others with heresy. - Today undernutrition is a contributory factor in the death of 3.1 million children under five every year. Where is the divine love for the starving children? - The bible has internal contradictions on his divine love. Matthew 5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God”
Matthew 10:34 “I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law – a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.
- Steve Wells covers the opposite of divine love in his book Drunk with Blood: God's Killings in the Bible
"Drunk With Blood includes a separate account for each of God's 158 killings. These stories fill the pages of the Bible, yet they are seldom read in church and are ignored by most Bible believers, which is a shame because God is so proud of his killings:"
Stephen Fry on the divine love of god The Bible is full of deeper meanings, when it says God puts to death, it can also means puts sin to death. Paul said I die daily, he wasn't literally dying daily, he was turning from his sinful ways daily. For example, if we stop smoking, it doesn't have a hold on us anymore, so it is dead to us. I agree, some language is metaphorical in the Bible. The blood on the door and this infanticide could be metaphorical , but I doubt that’s the case.
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Post by maryhig on Nov 18, 2021 7:35:59 GMT -5
The Bible is full of deeper meanings, when it says God puts to death, it can also means puts sin to death. Paul said I die daily, he wasn't literally dying daily, he was turning from his sinful ways daily. For example, if we stop smoking, it doesn't have a hold on us anymore, so it is dead to us. I agree, some language is metaphorical in the Bible. The blood on the door and this infanticide could be metaphorical , but I doubt that’s the case. The blood on the doorposts has a deeper meaning, when Jesus said he was a door, he didn't mean he is a literal door, the whole Bible is full of deeper meanings. And infanticide? What do you mean? Thanks
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Post by maryhig on Nov 18, 2021 7:36:16 GMT -5
Smote can mean hit too as seen here. Matthew 26:67 Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him; and others smote him with the palms of their hands, Is it ever ok to slap a one year old baby? Where does it say this? Thanks
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Post by xna on Nov 18, 2021 8:08:22 GMT -5
Is it ever ok to slap a one year old baby? Where does it say this? Thanks You quoted a verse where “smote” meant “slap”, not to kill. So in the verse where all the first born in Egypt were smote, if that doesn’t mean killed, but slapped, how is slapping babies ok?
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Post by maryhig on Nov 18, 2021 8:24:09 GMT -5
Where does it say this? Thanks You quoted a verse where “smote” meant “slap”, not to kill. So in the verse where all the first born in Egypt were smote, if that doesn’t mean killed, but slapped, how is slapping babies ok? I haven't seen anywhere in the Bible that God said to smite one year old children? Jesus has the nature of God, and he said suffer the little children to come unto me for such are as in the kingdom of heaven. Jesus loved little children as they have innocent hearts.
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Post by xna on Nov 18, 2021 10:12:37 GMT -5
You quoted a verse where “smote” meant “slap”, not to kill. So in the verse where all the first born in Egypt were smote, if that doesn’t mean killed, but slapped, how is slapping babies ok? I haven't seen anywhere in the Bible that God said to smite one year old children? Jesus has the nature of God, and he said suffer the little children to come unto me for such are as in the kingdom of heaven. Jesus loved little children as they have innocent hearts. Bible verses related to Infanticide from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance - Sort By Book Order Psalms 137:9 - Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. 1 Samuel 15:3 - Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. Exodus 12:29 - And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. Isaiah 13:16 - Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. Hosea 13:16 - Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. 2 Kings 15:16 - Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up. Numbers 31:17 - Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. Psalms 135:8 - Who smote the firstborn of Egypt, both of man and beast. Acts 7:19 - The same dealt subtilly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live. Psalms 136:10 - To him that smote Egypt in their firstborn: for his mercy endureth for ever: Exodus 1:16 - And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and see them upon the stools; if it be a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it be a daughter, then she shall live. Matthew 2:16-18 - Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men. (Read More...) Amos 1:13 - Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of the children of Ammon, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they have ripped up the women with child of Gilead, that they might enlarge their border: Hosea 9:11-16 - As for Ephraim, their glory shall fly away like a bird, from the birth, and from the womb, and from the conception.
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Post by maryhig on Nov 18, 2021 11:14:04 GMT -5
I haven't seen anywhere in the Bible that God said to smite one year old children? Jesus has the nature of God, and he said suffer the little children to come unto me for such are as in the kingdom of heaven. Jesus loved little children as they have innocent hearts. Bible verses related to Infanticide from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance - Sort By Book Order Psalms 137:9 - Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. 1 Samuel 15:3 - Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. Exodus 12:29 - And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. Isaiah 13:16 - Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. Hosea 13:16 - Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. 2 Kings 15:16 - Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up. Numbers 31:17 - Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. Psalms 135:8 - Who smote the firstborn of Egypt, both of man and beast. Acts 7:19 - The same dealt subtilly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live. Psalms 136:10 - To him that smote Egypt in their firstborn: for his mercy endureth for ever: Exodus 1:16 - And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and see them upon the stools; if it be a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it be a daughter, then she shall live. Matthew 2:16-18 - Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men. (Read More...) Amos 1:13 - Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of the children of Ammon, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they have ripped up the women with child of Gilead, that they might enlarge their border: Hosea 9:11-16 - As for Ephraim, their glory shall fly away like a bird, from the birth, and from the womb, and from the conception. There is a different way to smite and slay, and that's with the word of God, which is also a sword, (the sword of the Spirit). And it means to put to death sin with the word of God, whether people are young or old, we must always bare witness to the truth and do what's right before God with his love in our hearts, teaching the true way. And as I said the Bible has deeper meanings as you can see in this verse below, slay and smite here don't mean to literally kill someone. Isaiah 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
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Post by xna on Nov 18, 2021 12:18:36 GMT -5
And as I said the Bible has deeper meanings as you can see in this verse below, slay and smite here don't mean to literally kill someone.
Isaiah 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.I would agree that not all of the bible should be read literally. Some verses are clearly parables and metaphors like John 10:9 where it is written; " I am the door:…". I don't think anyone could successfully argue that Jesus shape shifted into a literal door. Yet departing from the literal meaning of the words becomes problematic when a verse that doesn't appear to be a parable or a metaphor, is interpreted to mean something other than the literal meaning. I appreciate those which interpret the bible to make it better than a literal reading. But, how much can a message change until it's no longer the same message? This reminds me of a man who was trying to sell George Washington axe. ( a little parable )
Buyer: That handle looks too new to be so old Seller: Yes, it was replaced with a new one after the old one broke Buyer: And the blade it doesn't look like has been used much Seller: Yes, it was replaced because the old one broke in two.I see the Cooneyites, todays Faith Mission, and those who preach saved by grace, as a more charitable interpretation than some in the 2x2. I also like some Zen Buddhists koans which have a deeper meaning.
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Post by Dan on Nov 18, 2021 18:36:04 GMT -5
Technically, God hasn't killed anyone yet.. He has just seen fit to physically end a lot of lives when there was absolutely no hope of redemption left for them.
"And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually" (Genesis 6:5)
Doesn’t “smote” mean kill? Exodus 12:29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, … When I wrote that God hasn't technically killed anyone yet, I was referring to the second dearth where your soul and spirit are destroyed. But yes, from a physical perspective God has certainly killed a lot of people.
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Post by xna on Nov 18, 2021 19:09:43 GMT -5
Bible verses related to Infanticide from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance - Sort By Book Order Psalms 137:9 - Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. 1 Samuel 15:3 - Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. Exodus 12:29 - And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. Isaiah 13:16 - Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. Hosea 13:16 - Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. 2 Kings 15:16 - Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up. Numbers 31:17 - Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. Psalms 135:8 - Who smote the firstborn of Egypt, both of man and beast. Acts 7:19 - The same dealt subtilly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live. Psalms 136:10 - To him that smote Egypt in their firstborn: for his mercy endureth for ever: Exodus 1:16 - And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and see them upon the stools; if it be a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it be a daughter, then she shall live. Matthew 2:16-18 - Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men. (Read More...) Amos 1:13 - Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of the children of Ammon, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they have ripped up the women with child of Gilead, that they might enlarge their border: Hosea 9:11-16 - As for Ephraim, their glory shall fly away like a bird, from the birth, and from the womb, and from the conception. There is a different way to smite and slay, and that's with the word of God, which is also a sword, (the sword of the Spirit). And it means to put to death sin with the word of God, whether people are young or old, we must always bare witness to the truth and do what's right before God with his love in our hearts, teaching the true way. And as I said the Bible has deeper meanings as you can see in this verse below, slay and smite here don't mean to literally kill someone. Isaiah 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. Do you believe in a literal heaven and hell?
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Post by maryhig on Nov 19, 2021 4:18:11 GMT -5
There is a different way to smite and slay, and that's with the word of God, which is also a sword, (the sword of the Spirit). And it means to put to death sin with the word of God, whether people are young or old, we must always bare witness to the truth and do what's right before God with his love in our hearts, teaching the true way. And as I said the Bible has deeper meanings as you can see in this verse below, slay and smite here don't mean to literally kill someone. Isaiah 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. Do you believe in a literal heaven and hell? I see heaven and hell as a state, we create our own hell in the here and now when we do wrong and then suffer for it, hell is being in darkness and separated from God. And heaven is when we are with God, if we have the Spirit of God in our hearts, then the kingdom of God is within us and we walk in the light meaning we are enlightened of God. And what we do here and now determines what happens to us after we pass on. But I don't worry about when I die, I just try and do what's right before God and then leave that in God's hands.
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Post by guest8 on Nov 19, 2021 4:22:19 GMT -5
Do you believe in a literal heaven and hell? I see heaven and hell as a state, we create our own hell in the here and now when we do wrong and then suffer for it, hell is being in darkness and separated from God. And heaven is when we are with God, if we have the Spirit of God in our hearts, then the kingdom of God is within us and we walk in the light meaning we are enlightened of God. And what we do here and now determines what happens to us after we pass on. But I don't worry about when I die, I just try and do what's right before God and then leave that in God's hands. Good to see you back Maryhig and to read your perspective. Thanks for this post.
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Post by maryhig on Nov 19, 2021 4:24:57 GMT -5
I see heaven and hell as a state, we create our own hell in the here and now when we do wrong and then suffer for it, hell is being in darkness and separated from God. And heaven is when we are with God, if we have the Spirit of God in our hearts, then the kingdom of God is within us and we walk in the light meaning we are enlightened of God. And what we do here and now determines what happens to us after we pass on. But I don't worry about when I die, I just try and do what's right before God and then leave that in God's hands. Good to see you back Maryhig and to read your perspective. Thanks for this post. Thank you it's nice to be back 😊
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Post by xna on Nov 19, 2021 7:48:07 GMT -5
Do you believe in a literal heaven and hell? I see heaven and hell as a state, we create our own hell in the here and now when we do wrong and then suffer for it, hell is being in darkness and separated from God. And heaven is when we are with God, if we have the Spirit of God in our hearts, then the kingdom of God is within us and we walk in the light meaning we are enlightened of God. And what we do here and now determines what happens to us after we pass on. But I don't worry about when I die, I just try and do what's right before God and then leave that in God's hands. Thanks for sharing what you believe
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Post by mrdobalina on Nov 19, 2021 15:07:35 GMT -5
When a parent punishes a child is that Love or abuse? From that comparison I feel like you have not raised children of your own, and I'm not sure why I think your post smacks of that.
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Post by xna on Nov 19, 2021 16:39:48 GMT -5
“The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones.”
― William Shakespeare, Julius Caesar
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