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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2021 12:23:54 GMT -5
Makes no sense at all. Imagine if someone wanting to know Christ was looking on. ...the workers since 1960 had taught them inccorectly and pull wools over their sheep eyes! Can't argue with that. Most people in the fellowship, workers included, (from what I can tell) don't have the tools nor the desire to discuss stuff like this. This, along with all the CSA and related immorality, seem to largely be responsible for the focus on "now don't be contentious".
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Post by nathan02 on Dec 11, 2021 13:09:32 GMT -5
...the workers since 1960 had taught them inccorectly and pull wools over their sheep eyes! Can't argue with that. Most people in the fellowship, workers included, (from what I can tell) don't have the tools nor the desire to discuss stuff like this. This, along with all the CSA and related immorality, seem to largely be responsible for the focus on "now don't be contentious". ** If in 1960s the overseers and senior workers had NOT corrupted the Trinity and Jesus is NOT God from the early days workers teaching/ belief of the Triune God= Father, Christ and Holy Spirit. The current workers and friends wouldn't be in a jam right now! They can't truly explain to people who Jesus really is. They say Oh, Jesus is the Son of God created 2000 years ago then that is good enough for them. When the seeking souls or curious minds want to KNOW information about 2x2 belief and doctrine they will read TTT website and it shows some of the current workers doctrines and they read the workers are anti-Trinity and don't believe Jesus is God. They will NOT come and attend their meetings.
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Post by fixit on Dec 11, 2021 14:02:35 GMT -5
I attended off and on due to work on Sunday for 15 years and I attended meetings for 5 years full time after I sold my business. And you/atheist sitting in the car while your mother attends the Sunday morning in the home? Yes as much as I own my mother the very lest I can do to repay her is to help her attend meetings where and when she chooses to go. Would any son do less? So here we have two ex-2x2s on Sunday morning: 1. nathan is preaching his science fiction to long-suffering customers, while 2. intelchips is making sure his mother gets to meetings. Let the readers decide which is more honorable.
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Post by fixit on Dec 11, 2021 14:06:38 GMT -5
Can't argue with that. Most people in the fellowship, workers included, (from what I can tell) don't have the tools nor the desire to discuss stuff like this. This, along with all the CSA and related immorality, seem to largely be responsible for the focus on "now don't be contentious". ** If in 1960s the overseers and senior workers had NOT corrupted the Trinity and Jesus is NOT God from the early days workers teaching/ belief of the Triune God= Father, Christ and Holy Spirit. The current workers and friends wouldn't be in a jam right now! They can't truly explain to people who Jesus really is. They say Oh, Jesus is the Son of God created 2000 years ago then that is good enough for them. When the seeking souls or curious minds want to KNOW information about 2x2 belief and doctrine they will read TTT website and it shows some of the current workers doctrines and they read the workers are anti-Trinity and don't believe Jesus is God. They will NOT come and attend their meetings. Here's what one early worker wrote: Twas life I got, not theory: His voice I did obey And entered in by Jesus, God’s only way.
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Post by fixit on Dec 11, 2021 14:07:58 GMT -5
If Jesus is NOT God then WHY the 2x2 put Him on the Same level as God on Sunday Morning meetings and the emblems bread and Wine is in the center of the meeting? Why, are the workers and the friends singing Hymns of Adoration, praises to God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit in the SAME meeting?
You ex-2x2s had done this many times when you were professing and you had NO idea WHO you were worshipping? WOW!
Godhead but 3 separate Supreme Beings/Entity.... Father, Christ and Holy Spirit.
One thing comes out loud and clear: However friends perceive their God and Jesus ( which is actually their personal spiritual relationship), they do not attend meetings and come away with the spirit Nathan has. Or engage in all the BS he does. ( Well those I have ever known and I have known many, still do). Putting my mtg hat on for a moment, I actually don’t understand how it would of been possible for me to live a spiritual life like that. I feel sure somewhere, my conscience would of kicked in. But I am an ex and in the eyes of the same man ( Nathan), I live a terrible life now with * terrible punishment awaiting me. * could be because, I don’t attend the odd mtg to ‘convince some body else’, I belong to a certain church which will give me a great reward in my afterlife That says it all really.
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Post by Grant on Dec 11, 2021 14:36:29 GMT -5
I higlly doubt that "I go when my work schedule will allow me to I will be there in a flash" is counted as an ox in the ditch. I attended off and on due to work on Sunday for 15 years and I attended meetings for 5 years full time after I sold my business. And you/atheist sitting in the car while your mother attends the Sunday morning in the home?Attended Gospel meetings off and on and the odd day at convention for those 15 years if I remember correctly.
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Post by nathan02 on Dec 11, 2021 14:37:05 GMT -5
One thing comes out loud and clear: However friends perceive their God and Jesus ( which is actually their personal spiritual relationship), they do not attend meetings and come away with the spirit Nathan has. Or engage in all the BS he does. ( Well those I have ever known and I have known many, still do). Putting my mtg hat on for a moment, I actually don’t understand how it would of been possible for me to live a spiritual life like that. I feel sure somewhere, my conscience would of kicked in. But I am an ex and in the eyes of the same man ( Nathan), I live a terrible life now with * terrible punishment awaiting me. * could be because, I don’t attend the odd mtg to ‘convince some body else’, I belong to a certain church which will give me a great reward in my afterlife That says it all really. ** You two need to read Jesus teachings in Mmathew 7:13-28.
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Post by nathan02 on Dec 11, 2021 15:00:43 GMT -5
I attended off and on due to work on Sunday for 15 years and I attended meetings for 5 years full time after I sold my business. And you/atheist sitting in the car while your mother attends the Sunday morning in the home? Attended Gospel meetings and convention off and on for those 15 years if I remember correctky. ** Yes, I attended meeting off and on Sunday morning meetings and gospel meetings so, I could dedicate my time working on my 2x2 website, gathering documents of the Vaudois history existence since the time of Jesus, Paul for 1800 years prior to the Faith Mission and the 2x2 workers Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and New Testament fellowship. Spent a lot of my time in trying to help you poor, lost and confuse souls on TMB for over 20 years, is a very stressful job and big responsibility. I can't do everything at once, I am only a human NOT a Superman. After 15 years off and on meetings I finished my what I was sent to do I went back to meetings full time for 5 years after I sold my business, then Covid-19 appeared and no meetings due to the Viruses. Well, the person who we sold the business to didn't want to do it anymore. Now, back to Wed. Night Bible studies only for now. I will try to get Sunday Union meeting Once a month later on.
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Post by Annan on Dec 11, 2021 15:10:40 GMT -5
You’re making no sense. The person who bought your business didn’t wanna do it anymore? Why would it be your responsibility once you sold it?
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Post by Grant on Dec 11, 2021 15:12:55 GMT -5
Attended Gospel meetings and convention off and on for those 15 years if I remember correctky. ** Yes, I attended meeting off and on so I could dedicate my time working on my 2x2 website0, gathering documents of the Vaudois history existence since the time of Jesus, Paul for 1800 years prior to the Faith Mission and the 2x2 workers Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and New Testament fellowship. Spent a lot of time in trying to help you poor souls on TMB is a very stressful job and big responsibility. I can't do everything at once. I am only human NOT a Superman. After 15 years off and on meetings I finished my what I was sent to do I went back to meetings full time for 5 years after I sold my business, then Covid-19 appeared and no meetings due to the Viruses. Well, the person who we sold the business to didn't want to do it anymore. Now, back to Wed. Night Bible studies only for now. I will try to get Sunday Union meeting Once a month later on. You said above you only attended off and in those 15 years because of your work. Now you are saying it was because you were working on your website. Seems as if you were agreeing that you weren't attending Sunday morning fellowship meetings during those 15 years, only Gospel and the odd day at convention. Nathan wrote: I attended off and on due to work on Sunday for 15 years and I attended meetings for 5 years full time after I sold my business. And you/atheist sitting in the car while your mother attends the Sunday morning in the home?
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Post by nathan02 on Dec 11, 2021 15:33:17 GMT -5
You’re making no sense. The person who bought your business didn’t wanna do it anymore? Why would it be your responsibility once you sold it? ** He was my brother-in-law... Selling the business to a family member can be very tricky sometimes. You know how that go! Sweetie.
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Post by nathan02 on Dec 11, 2021 15:40:16 GMT -5
** Yes, I attended meeting off and on so I could dedicate my time working on my 2x2 website0, gathering documents of the Vaudois history existence since the time of Jesus, Paul for 1800 years prior to the Faith Mission and the 2x2 workers Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and New Testament fellowship. Spent a lot of time in trying to help you poor souls on TMB is a very stressful job and big responsibility. I can't do everything at once. I am only human NOT a Superman. After 15 years off and on meetings I finished my what I was sent to do I went back to meetings full time for 5 years after I sold my business, then Covid-19 appeared and no meetings due to the Viruses. Well, the person who we sold the business to didn't want to do it anymore. Now, back to Wed. Night Bible studies only for now. I will try to get Sunday Union meeting Once a month later on. You said above you only attended off and in those 15 years because of your work. Now you are saying it was because you were working on your website. Seems as if you were agreeing that you weren't attending Sunday morning fellowship meetings during those 15 years, only Gospel and the odd day at convention. Nathan wrote: I attended off and on due to work on Sunday for 15 years and I attended meetings for 5 years full time after I sold my business. And you/atheist sitting in the car while your mother attends the Sunday morning in the home? ** I have a headache trying to explain to you exes over and over, I am NOT going to waste anymore time. It's over and done with! My mission was finished and the truth about the Vaudois 2x2 apostolic/workerd Jesus New Testament ministry and fellowship existed 1800 years prior to FM and the 2x2s workers. I was NEVER an Ex-2×2 and NEVER will be an Ex-2×2. get this in your thick skull.
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Post by Grant on Dec 11, 2021 15:49:57 GMT -5
I was just trying to clarify the contradiction.
That raises the issue now of you criticizing Intel for taking his mother to Sunday morning meeting and sitting outside in the car when you weren't going yourself. Your prerogative, just wasn't a nice thing to say when you weren't even going yourself.
You call good standing elders in the church exes and chuck an athiest when they have all been fully fledged meeting attendees for life.
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Post by Annan on Dec 11, 2021 16:01:12 GMT -5
You said above you only attended off and in those 15 years because of your work. Now you are saying it was because you were working on your website. Seems as if you were agreeing that you weren't attending Sunday morning fellowship meetings during those 15 years, only Gospel and the odd day at convention. Nathan wrote: I attended off and on due to work on Sunday for 15 years and I attended meetings for 5 years full time after I sold my business. And you/atheist sitting in the car while your mother attends the Sunday morning in the home? ** I have a headache trying to explain to you exes over and over, I am NOT going to waste anymore time. It's over and done with! My mission was finished and the truth about the Vaudois 2x2 apostolic/workerd Jesus New Testament ministry and fellowship existed 1800 years prior to FM and the 2x2s workers. I was NEVER an Ex-2×2 and NEVER will be an Ex-2×2. get this in your thick skull. Nope. No. Nada. Not a 2x2 by any means. Ex. Failed worker.
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Post by nathan02 on Dec 11, 2021 16:56:19 GMT -5
** I have a headache trying to explain to you exes over and over, I am NOT going to waste anymore time. It's over and done with! My mission was finished and the truth about the Vaudois 2x2 apostolic/workerd Jesus New Testament ministry and fellowship existed 1800 years prior to FM and the 2x2s workers. I was NEVER an Ex-2×2 and NEVER will be an Ex-2×2. get this in your thick skull. Nope. No. Nada. Not a 2x2 by any means. Ex. Failed worker. ** Can an ex-2×2 or non-2×2 take parts in Wed. Night Bible studies and Sunday morning meeting? Why, dont you or any ex-2×2 try to take parts in the meetings and see what happens to you, Sweetie. If I was an Ex-2×2 Do you think they will let me take part in the meeting, sitting next to the senior worker in my field couple times now, Sweetie? WHY? are you keep on lying? You lie too much like your father, Lucifer. You have his DNA in you, my dear.
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Post by Annan on Dec 11, 2021 17:07:45 GMT -5
Nope. No. Nada. Not a 2x2 by any means. Ex. Failed worker. ** Can an ex-2×2 or non-2×2 take parts in Wed. Night Bible studies and Sunday morning meeting? Why, dont you or any ex-2×2 try to take parts in the meetings and see what happens to you, Sweetie. If I was an Ex-2×2 Do you think they will let me take part in the meeting, sitting next to the senior worker in my field couple times now, Sweetie? As I have said many times, they know your fragile mental state and do not want to be responsible for pushing you over the edge. You are tolerated at best.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 11, 2021 18:31:08 GMT -5
Yes as much as I own my mother the very lest I can do to repay her is to help her attend meetings where and when she chooses to go. Would any son do less? So here we have two ex-2x2s on Sunday morning: 1. nathan is preaching his science fiction to long-suffering customers, while 2. intelchips is making sure his mother gets to meetings. Let the readers decide which is more honorable. After I'd been out for a few years I even travelled 3500 miles to take my mother to 4 days of convention. I even got a few invitations to go home with people. Funny, though, no mention of Trinity or Mars. I had no arguments with anyone.
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Post by nathan02 on Dec 11, 2021 18:42:17 GMT -5
So here we have two ex-2x2s on Sunday morning: 1. nathan is preaching his science fiction to long-suffering customers, while 2. intelchips is making sure his mother gets to meetings. Let the readers decide which is more honorable. After I'd been out for a few years I even travelled 3500 miles to take my mother to 4 days of convention. I even got a few invitations to go home with people. Funny, though, no mention of Trinity or Mars. I had no arguments with anyone. *** Did they know you wrote a few books about the 2x2? if they knew they might hesitate to welcome you into their home BobW. You might want to give them your books for free.
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Post by nathan02 on Dec 11, 2021 18:49:45 GMT -5
** Can an ex-2×2 or non-2×2 take parts in Wed. Night Bible studies and Sunday morning meeting? Why, dont you or any ex-2×2 try to take parts in the meetings and see what happens to you, Sweetie. If I was an Ex-2×2 Do you think they will let me take part in the meeting, sitting next to the senior worker in my field couple times now, Sweetie? As I have said many times, they know your fragile mental state and do not want to be responsible for pushing you over the edge. You are tolerated at best. ** What you say is your father Lucifer thought! Jesus said your father/Lucifer is a liar and there is no truth in him from the beginning! You like your father/Lucifer there is no truth in him. An apple does not fall too far from a tree, you know.
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Post by Annan on Dec 11, 2021 18:55:32 GMT -5
As I have said many times, they know your fragile mental state and do not want to be responsible for pushing you over the edge. You are tolerated at best. ** What you say is your father Lucifer thought! Jesus said your father/Lucifer is a liar and there is no truth in him from the beginning! You like your father/Lucifer there is no truth in him. An apple does not fall too far from a tree, you know. Still true of you. Failed worker.
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Post by nathan02 on Dec 11, 2021 18:58:03 GMT -5
I was just trying to clarify the contradiction. That raises the issue now of you criticizing Intel for taking his mother to Sunday morning meeting and sitting outside in the car when you weren't going yourself. Your prerogative, just wasn't a nice thing to say when you weren't even going yourself. You call good standing elders in the church exes and chuck an athiest when they have all been fully fledged meeting attendees for life. ** yea right they have the outward form going to the meetings but they don't possess it. Read what they post and people can tell what is in their hearts, they have the FORM of going to meetings but they don't believe it. I told you a million times figure of speech/already! I went off and on during those 15 years! I didn't quit going like cold Turkey for 15 years.
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Post by Grant on Dec 11, 2021 19:34:07 GMT -5
I was just trying to clarify the contradiction. That raises the issue now of you criticizing Intel for taking his mother to Sunday morning meeting and sitting outside in the car when you weren't going yourself. Your prerogative, just wasn't a nice thing to say when you weren't even going yourself. You call good standing elders in the church exes and chuck an athiest when they have all been fully fledged meeting attendees for life. ** yea right they have the outward form going to the meetings but they don't possess it. Read what they post and people can tell what is in their hearts, they have the FORM of going to meetings but they don't believe it. I told you a millions times already! I went off and on during those 15 years! I didn't quit going like cold Turkey for 15 years. You've said over the years that you went off and on to Gospel meetings and convention. Intel was talking about taking his mother to Sunday morning meeting, every week too I guess and got criticized by you for that. Reminds me of how Mr Dob said something about having achieved his financial goals and retired and you ridiculed him for that while you are striving for the same thing and hope to have achieved it in 10 years. Although over 10 years ago you said the same thing. 10 years is up and now you say another 10 years. The lesson from this is don't throw stones when you are striving for the same thing.
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Post by nathan02 on Dec 11, 2021 21:13:57 GMT -5
You've said over the years that you went off and on to Gospel meetings and convention and Sunday morning only the last 5 years until covid a year or so ago. Intel was talking about taking his mother to Sunday morning meeting. Every week too I guess. *** That is correct about me. Intel takes his professing mother to Sunday morning meetings but he sits inside his car waiting. I might NOT attend all of the meetings during those 15 years but my heart was 100% in it. Don't you forget that. 15 years during those time was spent on TMB to help you exes poor, confused and troubled souls.
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Post by nathan02 on Dec 11, 2021 21:25:12 GMT -5
** yea right they have the outward form going to the meetings but they don't possess it. Read what they post and people can tell what is in their hearts, they have the FORM of going to meetings but they don't believe it. I told you a millions times already! I went off and on during those 15 years! I didn't quit going like cold Turkey for 15 years. You've said over the years that you went off and on to Gospel meetings and convention. Intel was talking about taking his mother to Sunday morning meeting, every week too I guess and got criticized by you for that. Reminds me of how Mr Dob said something about having achieved his financial goals and retired and you ridiculed him for that while you are striving for the same thing and hope to have achieved it in 10 years. Although over 10 years ago you said the same thing. 10 years is up and now you say another 10 years. The lesson from this is don't throw stones when you are striving for the same thing. *** MrD. Was bragging his achiement in life, how he took care the workers car for 45 years and I didn't do anything for the workers or the friends just spending time on here talking... I gave a long list of what I had done for the workers and the friend that kind shut him up! He was bragging how much money he had and was able to retired early in life. He looked down on me for working 7 days week, still making monthly house payment. And you praise him for his arrogant spirit? Are you out of your mind.
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Post by mrdobalina on Dec 11, 2021 21:37:34 GMT -5
You've said over the years that you went off and on to Gospel meetings and convention. Intel was talking about taking his mother to Sunday morning meeting, every week too I guess and got criticized by you for that. Reminds me of how Mr Dob said something about having achieved his financial goals and retired and you ridiculed him for that while you are striving for the same thing and hope to have achieved it in 10 years. Although over 10 years ago you said the same thing. 10 years is up and now you say another 10 years. The lesson from this is don't throw stones when you are striving for the same thing. *** MrD. Was bragging his achiement in life, how he took care the workers car for 45 years and I didn't do anything for the workers or the friends just spending time on here talking... I gave a long list of what I had done for the workers and the friend that kind shut him up! He was bragging how much money he had and was able to retired early in life. He looked down on me for working 7 days week, still making monthly house payment. And you praise him for his arrogant spirit? Are you out of your mind. You talk like achievement is a bad thing. It's hardly like looking after the workers car put a dent in my finances, and the long list of good works you claimed to have done for the workers in an attempt to out do me only served to make you look like a desperate self serving tw@t, that I didn't mention it demonstrates how little I cared about it. I simply have sufficient income that I don't have to physically work for it on a daily basis, if you hadn't been greedy prior to the GFC you may be in a similar position. Don't be jealous wee man, I'm sure your noble work ethic dosent go un noticed by Jesus.
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Post by intelchips on Dec 11, 2021 22:10:18 GMT -5
*** MrD. Was bragging his achiement in life, how he took care the workers car for 45 years and I didn't do anything for the workers or the friends just spending time on here talking... I gave a long list of what I had done for the workers and the friend that kind shut him up! He was bragging how much money he had and was able to retired early in life. He looked down on me for working 7 days week, still making monthly house payment. And you praise him for his arrogant spirit? Are you out of your mind. You talk like achievement is a bad thing. It's hardly like looking after the workers car put a dent in my finances, and the long list of good works you claimed to have done for the workers in an attempt to out do me only served to make you look like a desperate self serving tw@t, that I didn't mention it demonstrates how little I cared about it. I simply have sufficient income that I don't have to physically work for on a daily basis, if you hadn't been greedy prior to the GFC you may be in a similar position. Don't be jealous wee man, I'm sure your noble work ethic dosent go un noticed by Jesus. mrdobalina, your mention of repairing a car for the workers reminds me of my grandmother. She never learned to drive. One day she decide she needed to learn it was a total fail. She ended up driving the car between two large boulders on her place and got it wedged. She had to climb into the back seat to get out. Will, that was enough for her so after getting it repaired she gave it to Howard Mooney.
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Post by intelchips on Dec 11, 2021 22:15:42 GMT -5
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Post by nathan on Dec 11, 2021 22:16:21 GMT -5
You talk like achievement is a bad thing. It's hardly like looking after the workers car put a dent in my finances, and the long list of good works you claimed to have done for the workers in an attempt to out do me only served to make you look like a desperate self serving tw@t, that I didn't mention it demonstrates how little I cared about it. I simply have sufficient income that I don't have to physically work for on a daily basis, if you hadn't been greedy prior to the GFC you may be in a similar position. Don't be jealous wee man, I'm sure your noble work ethic dosent go un noticed by Jesus. I don't jealous of you one bit, but I feel a pity for you where you will end up, Seed of Cain if you don't change your way of doing thing. All of your 45 years of good works for workers cars and how much money you have will not save you. You must be born again, like Jesus had said, mate.
There is no short cut to heaven.
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