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Post by Technical reply on Jul 30, 2007 15:23:55 GMT -5
Right--So you are admitting that you hack the TMB for IP's? Or is the Administrator Giving them away? So then everyones Ip is up for grabs on this forum? Why would anyone "hack" the TMB? From a technical point of view there is no reason. There is no reason to get the IPs from the administrator. They have stated in the past that they respect the privacy of posters so I doubt they would ever reveal them. This is a public forum. There are a number of ways to get IPs. One example of a quick and crude way (and this is just an example): People can post images. If nitro, and again this is just an example, knows the system administrator at UW-Stevens Point he could easily collect the IP of everyone who posts to or reads this message board. Anyone who posts an image and has access to the system logs can see who looks at that image. Just to make it easier for anyone who is collecting IPs - mine currently is 137.226.13.2. Bottom line - who cares. Of course, if you start stretching the truth . . .
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Post by Perhaps perhaps on Jul 30, 2007 15:35:50 GMT -5
IP STEALER!!!!! You guys don't scare me with your IP detection system. I know who you are. You should not be collecting peoples IP's, you horrible 2x2. What do you plan on doing with them. So, detect this!!! I can understand your ire. No one likes to be caught in a falsehood.
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Post by Oh on Jul 30, 2007 15:39:54 GMT -5
So that is why my active link logs show a non-authenticated attempt to link to someplace called myspaceWS.EDU or something like that. Humm so someone is hacking IP. As you mentioned and active emoticon or avatar especially ones animated may be linked directly to a logging site. That is covert IP gathering.
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Post by I dont think on Jul 30, 2007 15:42:07 GMT -5
IP STEALER!!!!! You guys don't scare me with your IP detection system. I know who you are. You should not be collecting peoples IP's, you horrible 2x2. What do you plan on doing with them. So, detect this!!! I can understand your ire. No one likes to be caught in a falsehood. You caught anyone in anything. Wishfully thinking. The last post by Janet was made from a totally different IP. Confusing
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Post by janet on Jul 30, 2007 15:48:51 GMT -5
Yep I think a lot of people are shooting in the dark. Ha ha he he. Try again -
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Post by AQctually on Jul 30, 2007 16:09:21 GMT -5
I can understand your ire. No one likes to be caught in a falsehood. You caught anyone in anything. Wishfully thinking. The last post by Janet was made from a totally different IP. Confusing Not confusing at all. And not different from other IPs used. Sorry.
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Post by janet on Jul 30, 2007 17:51:46 GMT -5
You caught anyone in anything. Wishfully thinking. The last post by Janet was made from a totally different IP. Confusing Not confusing at all. And not different from other IPs used. Sorry. Oh boy a real spin doctor. What a hack and a stalker. Hey are you nathan after that guy who he did not like up in Michigan. OK now I get the linkage and your obsession. I missed the connection. Here I am, where am I? In your back door hey. Maybe Im over there. Oh no I am watching you from the house across the street. Take care you do not find the bogyman. I have all sorts of IP's for myself. Be very careful that you do not make an error in your thinking. I also really wonder what is the obsession. First you went after WantABeWithGod and now me. Is that your job to find out who is who. Maybe you should put a link on here for the Who's Who book. ;D What a Joke who don't know anything.
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Post by Sad joke on Jul 30, 2007 18:21:53 GMT -5
What a Joke who don't know anything. The sad joke is that you have been shown to be a liar and are too small of a person to admit it.
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Post by janet on Jul 30, 2007 18:34:05 GMT -5
What a Joke who don't know anything. The sad joke is that you have been shown to be a liar and are too small of a person to admit it. You lay claim so prove it. Guessing stalker, I don't really give a hoot what you think you know. You do not know who I am nor where I am. . Well I guess that would be correct for most of you types. You don't know where you are either.
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Post by xray on Jul 30, 2007 19:10:05 GMT -5
So many IPs.
This might be of interest in this side discussion.
The TRACE request
Responses to TRACE requests are never cached.
Since every proxy on the way to the server inserts a via header, the request accumulates the entire list of proxies between the client and the server.
It is this final state of the request that the server reflects back to the client, allowing the client to learn the proxy chain.
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Post by janet on Jul 30, 2007 22:19:03 GMT -5
[ftp]http://ssl.serc.iisc.ernet.in/~pralay/Pralay's%20Home_files/gallery/Violin.jpg[/ftp]
La la la ;D
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Post by janet on Jul 30, 2007 22:23:01 GMT -5
[ftp]http://ssl.serc.iisc.ernet.in/~pralay/Pralay's%20Home_files/gallery/Violin.jpg[/ftp] La la la ;D Ok Be that way Like I said La la la
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Post by ann on Jul 30, 2007 23:26:14 GMT -5
Janet, you crack me up! Thanks for the laughs! I enjoy your posts and look forward to seeing more of them.
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Post by janet on Jul 31, 2007 11:07:42 GMT -5
Thanks Ann!!
I'm not really that good at the Violin. I just think the Administrator of this site is taking peoples IP's and will use it against as they wish.
WHY CAN'T THE ADMINISTRATOR\IPCOLLECTOR IDENTIFY HIMSELF? THAT'S BECAUSE HE IS A 2X2.
AND WORST OF ALL THE ADMINISTRATOR\IPCOLLECTOR POSTS UNDER MANY HANDLES.
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Post by Oh Janet on Jul 31, 2007 11:31:11 GMT -5
Thanks Ann!! I'm not really that good at the Violin. I just think the Administrator of this site is taking peoples IP's and will use it against as they wish. WHY CAN'T THE ADMINISTRATOR\IPCOLLECTOR IDENTIFY HIMSELF? THAT'S BECAUSE HE IS A 2X2. AND WORST OF ALL THE ADMINISTRATOR\IPCOLLECTOR POSTS UNDER MANY HANDLES. What makes you think the Administrator has anything to do with discovering your IP? As far as identifying one's self - you said you were a granny from the AEST time zone and that has been shown to be false. If you are not willing to identify yourself why do you think anyone else should? How would you suggest people identify themselves - by their IP? Mine is 58.177.5.57.
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Post by How on Jul 31, 2007 17:30:07 GMT -5
Thanks Ann!! I'm not really that good at the Violin. I just think the Administrator of this site is taking peoples IP's and will use it against as they wish. WHY CAN'T THE ADMINISTRATOR\IPCOLLECTOR IDENTIFY HIMSELF? THAT'S BECAUSE HE IS A 2X2. AND WORST OF ALL THE ADMINISTRATOR\IPCOLLECTOR POSTS UNDER MANY HANDLES. What makes you think the Administrator has anything to do with discovering your IP? As far as identifying one's self - you said you were a granny from the AEST time zone and that has been shown to be false. If you are not willing to identify yourself why do you think anyone else should? How would you suggest people identify themselves - by their IP? Mine is 58.177.5.57. How did someone show that to be false. As I understand it someone may say they are for anywhere. Further the time clock is set to the origin of the owner and moderator of the TMB where ever that is. When one posts from anywhere except the moon maybe, the time logged shows up based on the clock of the TMB not the poster. I don't see how Janet was shown to be a liar.
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Post by One more time on Jul 31, 2007 20:52:48 GMT -5
How did someone show that to be false. As I understand it someone may say they are for anywhere. Further the time clock is set to the origin of the owner and moderator of the TMB where ever that is. When one posts from anywhere except the moon maybe, the time logged shows up based on the clock of the TMB not the poster. I don't see how Janet was shown to be a liar. You may indeed post from anywhere. The time will show the time on this server (CDT) Janet claimed when (s)he posted it was 15:40 but the posting time was 00:30. That time difference would place her in AEST. The IP that was used for all posts up to that time indicated a location in the US. --------------------------- Since we are identifying ourselves - 87.106.93.100
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Post by janet on Jul 31, 2007 22:25:53 GMT -5
Da ta ta da Daaa
To the tune of Yellow Submarine Artist(Band):The Beatles
In the post where I reside, Lived someone who wailed an wined, And he told us of their desire, In the land of TMB's,
So we listened to winer just for a little while Till we found our Teabag of green, Then we watched the someone sink IPs beneath, While In the wide wide funny TMB,
We all live in a funny TMB, A funny TMB, Funny TMB, We all live in a funny TMB, Funny TMB, Funny TMB,
And our friend running all around, Many more of them hang in other threads, And the band begins to play.------
(Trumpets play) La la la lala DAda
We all live in a Funny TMB, Funny TMB Funny TMB, Funny TMB, We all live in a Funny TMB, Funny TMB, Funny TMB
(weird sounds)
IP ipip Ip ipip Ip ipip
;D ;D
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Post by gloryintruth on Jul 31, 2007 23:19:41 GMT -5
[Janet Wrote] Da ta ta da Daaa To the tune of Yellow Submarine Artist(Band):The Beatles
What is there left to be said?
Here is Janet, the dancing bear of ex-2x2 theology.
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Post by to GIT on Aug 1, 2007 0:37:28 GMT -5
And, you are the idiot of the 2x2s. sad but true
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Post by janet on Aug 1, 2007 15:18:09 GMT -5
[Janet Wrote] Da ta ta da Daaa To the tune of Yellow Submarine Artist(Band):The BeatlesWhat is there left to be said? Here is Janet, the dancing bear of ex-2x2 theology. Oh my, what was the awful noise?
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Post by As expected from Janet on Aug 2, 2007 9:37:51 GMT -5
[Janet Wrote] Da ta ta da Daaa To the tune of Yellow Submarine Artist(Band):The BeatlesWhat is there left to be said? Here is Janet, the dancing bear of ex-2x2 theology. Oh my, what was the awful noise?
Vapid, clueless comments
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Post by Scott Ross on Aug 2, 2007 10:07:38 GMT -5
Howdy, I sure hope nobody gets my IP and figures out my name and where I live..... On another note, I have spoken with nitro on more than one occasion, and he sure aint Brad or Janet. There could never be more than one of him, and I for one am glad that he is who he is! Scotty
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Post by janet on Aug 2, 2007 11:00:29 GMT -5
Howdy, I sure hope nobody gets my IP and figures out my name and where I live..... On another note, I have spoken with nitro on more than one occasion, and he sure aint Brad or Janet. There could never be more than one of him, and I for one am glad that he is who he is! Scotty Scotty--I know that some don't mind others to know who they are. However, there are still some that would prefer to remain unknown. I know that some of my posts have been below the belt but then again others have taken their shot as well. It does not excuse me from my posts. What really grinds me is that this is about the fourth time on the TMB in just a short span that someone has been putting active avatars or pics on threads with only one purpose. That is to gain the IP's and then do reverse lookups. What is the reason for this? I have noticed a trend that each time this happens it is a result of someone like me taking pot shots at the main 2x2 posters. It does not happen in the reverse. There have been plenty of nasty things directed to people who leave the fellowship by those main 2x2 posters. Now I would say that the Admin can tell when the active avatars are nested within threads. So by not removing them they (the Admin) is giving them a pass. I feel this is a clear indication that ones ID's are not protected. A trace route will only go back to the area where the poster links into the net. This may be close to their home DNS or it may be very far away via remote routed connection. Never the less when one is trying to gather IP's there can be only one reason. Based on experience of past intrusions on this forum I believe it is my fellow members of the F&W's Church. When many want to discuss issues and remain unknown for the sake of still keeping peace within their local fellowship it does not help when people are trying to expose their identifies. This is supported by the fact that not to long ago IPs were shared with the StandingTrue site moderators to ban or kick some out of the group. How did this happen? By gathering IP's from this Forum and then comparing them to the logged IP of the ST members. If posts like some of mine are not welcome then it is within the right of the Admin to warn and then ban the IP. When individuals are allowed to gather IPs covertly and then use them against people it is a clear cut (hack) attack. It removes any trust one could have while posting on this forum. Further, if some do not have good active security measures, then the trace might lead to an attack directly against the persons computer. NO I am not Nitro nor am I Brad. I am Janet who wishes to remain unknown. That is my right. Thanks for the post. I pushed the envelope for specific reasons. Can't say I will stop taking shots but I will tone it down a little.
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Post by Scott Ross on Aug 2, 2007 11:42:12 GMT -5
Janet, I totally respect the right to privacy many wish to have here on this forum. By using a registered name, you are allowing us all to 'know' who we are conversing with. That is a good thing. I realize by how and what you post that you are not new here on the TMB, and am glad that you have registered. Those who simply post anonymously with the sole purpose of causing friction and dissension amongst us are the ones who need to be banned, not those who are registered users who are expressing their true feelings. I know some who are not registered members here who have contacted me by regular email who have no wish to register here. I have no problem with them either. That is sad that the ones on the STL board are banning people who come here to share with the rest of us. To me that is just another way that they try to show their "exclusiveness' and how they consider themselves to be 'above' others. They are sad pathetic individuals who practice a herd mentality. Not all are like that of course, but those that are tend to be the ones that dominate the rest of them. Some pot shots are nicer than others, and some of yours have been a little mean spirited. That is your right of course, but it tends to alienate some of those who come here looking for honest conversation and answers to questions they may have of us exes. I have received emails from people who are rather taken aback by how much hate is shown towards f&w's here. Although I don't feel that a lot of what is said is done out of hate for those who are f&w's, that is how it is perceived. You would probably be surprised at how many PMs some of us receive from those who are asking questions they don't want to air on the TMB out of fear of ridicule or getting off the subject. I am sure others here who list their email addresses also like me get emails from those who want no trace of them showing up on the TMB. I tend to try to show my true feelings here, and also that 'fun and goofy' side of me also. My light has been pretty dim at times in my life, and sometimes I tend to withdraw from here, but something-or someone- always draws me back. Like it or not, most of are a part of something that has had a profound effect on our lives, and in a way we are a big family here. We may fight, squabble, laugh and cry together.... but we are all here because of the same thing. Scott
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Post by xray on Aug 2, 2007 12:21:27 GMT -5
janet = blue text
Scotty--I know that some don't mind others to know who they are. However, there are still some that would prefer to remain unknown. There are many that would like to remain unknown and come here to post. I know of no case when someone's id has been revealed.
I know that some of my posts have been below the belt but then again others have taken their shot as well. It does not excuse me from my posts. Yet you continued to post in an aggressive and demeaning way. People often fall into that trap when they feel no one knows who they are.
What really grinds me is that this is about the fourth time on the TMB in just a short span that someone has been putting active avatars or pics on threads with only one purpose.
Using an image or an avatar is one of the crudest, error prone, and most easily discovered ways to find IPs. There are other methods that give much better results.
That is to gain the IP's and then do reverse lookups. What is the reason for this? There are also much better tools than traceroute or whois to look up IPs.
I have noticed a trend that each time this happens it is a result of someone like me taking pot shots at the main 2x2 posters. It does not happen in the reverse. There have been plenty of nasty things directed to people who leave the fellowship by those main 2x2 posters. Oh the same thing has happened when people posting under various names lied about their activities.
Now I would say that the Admin can tell when the active avatars are nested within threads. Avatars are only posted in the avatar section of the profile and there is no way the administrator can know if the avatar is on a site that someone has access to or not. You can find out the same information by right clicking on the avatar and looking at it's properties.
So by not removing them they (the Admin) is giving them a pass. How would the administrator know if any avatar is being hosted on a site where someone has access? Edgar's site does, or used to, host a number of images. When you visit any of the sites your IP is recorded. All of the sites referenced on this message board have the ability to track IPs.
I feel this is a clear indication that ones ID's are not protected. It is a public site. As anyplace on the Internet, your IP is used for the routing. A trace route will only go back to the area where the poster links into the net. Nope - the IP will point to the machine that connected. In come cases it is possible to actually ping the computer.
This may be close to their home DNS or it may be very far away via remote routed connection. The location of their default DNS does not relate in any way to where the person connects. The DNS for AOL are, for example, often in VA regardless of where the person connects.
Never the less when one is trying to gather IP's there can be only one reason. Wrong. Some may just be wondering from what countries people are connecting or looking to see if a single poster is using multiple IDs to ask and then answer questions to give the impression that there is more interest than there actually is in certain topics. Then, of course, there are the people who post as both current members and ex members to make one side or the other look bad.
Based on experience of past intrusions on this forum I believe it is my fellow members of the F&W's Church. I have looked at IPs and am not a member of the 2X2 church.
When many want to discuss issues and remain unknown for the sake of still keeping peace within their local fellowship it does not help when people are trying to expose their identifies. I don't recall anyone's identity being exposed. Perhaps the details hinted at were a way of telling people that they are not as anonymous as they thought.
This is supported by the fact that not to long ago IPs were shared with the StandingTrue site moderators to ban or kick some out of the group. How did this happen? By gathering IP's from this Forum and then comparing them to the logged IP of the ST members. Do you know this for a fact or are you guessing.
If posts like some of mine are not welcome then it is within the right of the Admin to warn and then ban the IP. When individuals are allowed to gather IPs covertly and then use them against people it is a clear cut (hack) attack. Hacking implies something that is illegal or against the TOS of the message board. There are several methods that are neither illegal nor in any way violate the terms of this message board.
It removes any trust one could have while posting on this forum. I think trust goes out the window when people are caught in lies
Further, if some do not have good active security measures, then the trace might lead to an attack directly against the persons computer. The trace will always lead right back to your computer. That is how this text gets displayed on your screen.
NO I am not Nitro nor am I Brad. I am Janet who wishes to remain unknown. That is my right.
Your right? Then you need to take steps to secure that right.
Thanks for the post. I pushed the envelope for specific reasons. Can't say I will stop taking shots but I will tone it down a little.
And perhaps some started looking at IPs for specific reasons as well.
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Post by janet on Aug 2, 2007 12:27:34 GMT -5
janet = blue textScotty--I know that some don't mind others to know who they are. However, there are still some that would prefer to remain unknown.There are many that would like to remain unknown and come here to post. I know of no case when someone's id has been revealed. I know that some of my posts have been below the belt but then again others have taken their shot as well. It does not excuse me from my posts.Yet you continued to post in an aggressive and demeaning way. People often fall into that trap when they feel no one knows who they are. What really grinds me is that this is about the fourth time on the TMB in just a short span that someone has been putting active avatars or pics on threads with only one purpose.Using an image or an avatar is one of the crudest, error prone, and most easily discovered ways to find IPs. There are other methods that give much better results. That is to gain the IP's and then do reverse lookups. What is the reason for this?There are also much better tools than traceroute or whois to look up IPs. I have noticed a trend that each time this happens it is a result of someone like me taking pot shots at the main 2x2 posters. It does not happen in the reverse. There have been plenty of nasty things directed to people who leave the fellowship by those main 2x2 posters.Oh the same thing has happened when people posting under various names lied about their activities. Now I would say that the Admin can tell when the active avatars are nested within threads.Avatars are only posted in the avatar section of the profile and there is no way the administrator can know if the avatar is on a site that someone has access to or not. You can find out the same information by right clicking on the avatar and looking at it's properties. So by not removing them they (the Admin) is giving them a pass.How would the administrator know if any avatar is being hosted on a site where someone has access? Edgar's site does, or used to, host a number of images. When you visit any of the sites your IP is recorded. All of the sites referenced on this message board have the ability to track IPs. I feel this is a clear indication that ones ID's are not protected.It is a public site. As anyplace on the Internet, your IP is used for the routing. A trace route will only go back to the area where the poster links into the net.Nope - the IP will point to the machine that connected. In come cases it is possible to actually ping the computer. This may be close to their home DNS or it may be very far away via remote routed connection.The location of their default DNS does not relate in any way to where the person connects. The DNS for AOL are, for example, often in VA regardless of where the person connects. Never the less when one is trying to gather IP's there can be only one reason.Wrong. Some may just be wondering from what countries people are connecting or looking to see if a single poster is using multiple IDs to ask and then answer questions to give the impression that there is more interest than there actually is in certain topics. Then, of course, there are the people who post as both current members and ex members to make one side or the other look bad. Based on experience of past intrusions on this forum I believe it is my fellow members of the F&W's Church.I have looked at IPs and am not a member of the 2X2 church. When many want to discuss issues and remain unknown for the sake of still keeping peace within their local fellowship it does not help when people are trying to expose their identifies.I don't recall anyone's identity being exposed. Perhaps the details hinted at were a way of telling people that they are not as anonymous as they thought. This is supported by the fact that not to long ago IPs were shared with the StandingTrue site moderators to ban or kick some out of the group. How did this happen? By gathering IP's from this Forum and then comparing them to the logged IP of the ST members.Do you know this for a fact or are you guessing. If posts like some of mine are not welcome then it is within the right of the Admin to warn and then ban the IP. When individuals are allowed to gather IPs covertly and then use them against people it is a clear cut (hack) attack.Hacking implies something that is illegal or against the TOS of the message board. There are several methods that are neither illegal nor in any way violate the terms of this message board. It removes any trust one could have while posting on this forum.I think trust goes out the window when people are caught in lies Further, if some do not have good active security measures, then the trace might lead to an attack directly against the persons computer.The trace will always lead right back to your computer. That is how this text gets displayed on your screen. NO I am not Nitro nor am I Brad. I am Janet who wishes to remain unknown. That is my right.Your right? Then you need to take steps to secure that right. Thanks for the post. I pushed the envelope for specific reasons. Can't say I will stop taking shots but I will tone it down a little. And perhaps some started looking at IPs for specific reasons as well. I take it then XRay you are one of the Hacks. Whats my IP? Where am I posting from? Go ahead and tell, It s OK with me?
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Post by janet on Aug 2, 2007 12:32:55 GMT -5
And now what is my IP?
And now where am I posting from?
Please list what you think you have?
Is it your purpose to be a stalker?
Or better yet are you the Admin?
This is exactly my point and the point of my response to Scotty.
Now do as you will.
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