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Post by Dan on May 29, 2021 0:37:01 GMT -5
Oh stop it now, your embarrassing me... But in all humility, your welcome... Its a pleasure to share my fountain of wisdom
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Post by fixit on May 29, 2021 0:40:45 GMT -5
DISCLAIMER: TMB is administered by a small admin team, some professing. The opinions of many who post on the board are not reflective of the admin team. It is our belief that many issues in the fellowship meetings result from the lack of sound biblical teaching that has caused many readers to move away from the only foundation in Christ. New readers should not be surprised or discouraged by the tone of non-believers on the board, who are as welcome as any to post. New readers are warmly invited to reach out to the admin in confidence, we are always willing to answer any questions / provide support and encouragement, etc. I am starting to doubt if the the above statement has relevance. Non 2x2's who post their thoughts are subjected to insults and vitriol. The original meaning of their post is changed to fit the 2x2 way of thinking. I do not appreciate being called a liar and that I will burn in Hell. No Human has the right to say that anybody will burn in Hell. If their is a Judge it won't be them, it is not their right to pre-empt that situation if it does exist.I find that behaviour abhorrent. It could be that a forum with believers and non-believers will never work. I wish it would, I think it provides a bridge between people with different beliefs. You don't force your belief on others, you share it with them. Free expression must be possible. If that is not the situation then we should fold up now, and stop the nastiness that is taking place at the moment. That brings TMB into disrepute. I think the situation needs to be addressed and clarified. If it be that non-believers are not welcome I will gracefully exit. But I feel strongly that the nastiness should cease. Look forward to what others think. Would this be better: DISCLAIMER: TMB is administered by a small admin team, some professing. The opinions of many who post on the board are not reflective of the admin team. It is our belief that many issues in the fellowship meetings result from the lack of sound biblical teaching that has caused many readers to move away from the only foundation in Christ. New readers should not be surprised or discouraged by the tone robust debate of believers and non-believers on the board, who are as welcome as any tobecause all are welcome to post. New readers are warmly invited to reach out to the admin in confidence, we are always willing to answer any questions / provide support and encouragement, etc but we have a life outside of TMB so tend to be absent for extended periods of time.
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Post by nathan on May 29, 2021 0:43:42 GMT -5
about a 1/4 of these have said they actually found the ark on ararat Dr. Friedrich Parrot (1829) Prince John Joseph Nouri (1887) <<<< Lieutenant Roskovitsky (1916) <<<< Ed Davis (1943) <<<< Fernand Navarra (1955) Eryl Cummings (1970s) <<<< Ray Anderson (1970s) Dr. John Morris and ICR (1972) Ron Wyatt and the Durupinar Site (1977) <<<< different site than the traditional one Col. James Irwin (1982) Bill Crouse (1984) Robert Cornuke (1987) Chuck Aaron (1987) Don Shockey (1989) Daniel McGivern (2004) www.nwcreation.net/noahsightings.html <<<no political history, no fact checking history then there was the 2010ish chinese expedition <<<< It doesn't matter HOW many people say they have seen the ark; it is how many has ever proved it is there!
Are you going to believe in the existence of God? He is creator and designer of Noah's Ark if you have seen the Ark with your own eyes yourself?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2021 1:41:37 GMT -5
its called being the watchman on the wall. you know this. there are only 2 destinations in the Christian world we can't talk about one without talking about the other... There's a better way... The Christ within. Christ spoke about the 2 destinations also there is no other way....
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Post by BobWilliston on May 29, 2021 3:45:47 GMT -5
Don't bother to post any more videos of Noah's Ark, nathan. No one did "carry" an ark up the mountain, nathan!
It will be just one more faux video created by just one more shyster created for people who just can't give up their belief in what was mythical flood. ** The answer is Very simple! God placed Noah's Ark on Mt. Ararat so in 2012 the Chinese explorers could find and prove to the world that world wide flood and the Ark were NOT a myth like the atheists want to believe it. I read that in the Bible.
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Post by intelchips on May 29, 2021 7:54:57 GMT -5
So you have been up on Ararat and seen the ark? conversely, have you been up on Ararat and seen there is no ark? I have made no such claim, therefore it is not my duty to provide the proof.
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Post by nathan on May 29, 2021 8:52:55 GMT -5
conversely, have you been up on Ararat and seen there is no ark? I have made no such claim, therefore it is not my duty to provide the proof. There are many of people who have seen with their own eyes and video, taken pictures, evidences, proof that the Ark is on Mt. Ararat, like the Bible wrote it. Are you atheists going to believe in their testimonies?
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Post by openingact34 on May 29, 2021 9:58:29 GMT -5
its called being the watchman on the wall. you know this. there are only 2 destinations in the Christian world we can't talk about one without talking about the other... There's a better way... The Christ within. Jesus preached more about hell than he did about heaven, and spoke more about hell than anyone else in the Bible. Wally and Nathan have a true love for souls and are worried about helping others avoid unspeakably brutal unending torture from God. The workers I've met are much the same. Even Admin and the moderators on this board will quote gotquestions and threaten the atheists with hell. I remember Admin having to set unbeli3ver Snow straight and make it clear that she deserved eternal torment I don't see the same fruits in your walk, only worldliness.
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Post by intelchips on May 29, 2021 10:47:08 GMT -5
I have made no such claim, therefore it is not my duty to provide the proof. There are many of people who have seen with their own eyes and video, taken pictures, evidences, proof that the Ark is on Mt. Ararat, like the Bible wrote it. Are you atheists going to believe in their testimonies? If all those quack claims were fact don't you think we would see it on CNN?
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Post by dmmichgood on May 29, 2021 11:59:19 GMT -5
** The answer is Very simple! God placed Noah's Ark on Mt. Ararat so in 2012 the Chinese explorers could find and prove to the world that world wide flood and the Ark were NOT a myth like the atheists want to believe it. I read that in the Bible. Yes, I think I have read that as well,- but not in the bible. If I remember right these people called "Chinese" had yellow skin, slanted eyes and their hair was braided in one braid and hung down the the back of their head. They also wore a long robe with large sleeves and walked about with their hands tucked into the sleeves of their robes.
Now the conundrum for me is how in the world were they able to climb that mountain with such long robes?
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Post by nathan02 on May 29, 2021 13:15:35 GMT -5
There are many of people who have seen with their own eyes and video, taken pictures, evidences, proof that the Ark is on Mt. Ararat, like the Bible wrote it. Are you atheists going to believe in their testimonies? If all those quack claims were fact don't you think we would see it on CNN? ** Do you think the godless Illuminat Americans media will promote the existence of God and the Ark He designed?
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Post by intelchips on May 29, 2021 13:18:04 GMT -5
If all those quack claims were fact don't you think we would see it on CNN? ** You trust the godless Americans media? Will, maybe not CCN but FOX is all God Guns and Apple pie.
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Post by nathan02 on May 29, 2021 13:44:10 GMT -5
** You trust the godless Americans media? Will, maybe not CCN but FOX is all God Guns and Apple pie. *** They may have posted on the Christians news channels. It 's one of the greatest discovery of the 21st century for sure. It sure make many atheists to rethink their belief there is no God. The Ark and the location where God placed it above 1000 feet on Mt. Ararat is very difficult feast to fake it.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 29, 2021 13:50:01 GMT -5
Will, maybe not CCN but FOX is all God Guns and Apple pie. *** They may have posted on the Christians news channels. It 's one of the greatest discovery of the 21st century for sure. It sure make many atheists to rethink their belief there is no God. The Ark and the location where God placed it above 1000 feet on Mt. Ararat is very difficult feast to fake it. They used the same film studios where the fake moon landings were filmed.
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Post by Annan on May 29, 2021 13:53:02 GMT -5
I have made no such claim, therefore it is not my duty to provide the proof. There are many of people who have seen with their own eyes and video, taken pictures, evidences, proof that the Ark is on Mt. Ararat, like the Bible wrote it. Are you atheists going to believe in their testimonies? I believe those quacks as much as I believe that strange/venus guy you spout.
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Post by Dan on May 29, 2021 13:55:00 GMT -5
There are many of people who have seen with their own eyes and video, taken pictures, evidences, proof that the Ark is on Mt. Ararat, like the Bible wrote it. Are you atheists going to believe in their testimonies? If all those quack claims were fact don't you think we would see it on CNN?
CNN is probably the last place you would hear about it... People who want to believe will do so with little evidence, those who don't believe won't regardless of a mountain of evidence.
I personally think the Ark rested in the foothills of Ararat, not on the Mountain top itself, "And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat." (Genesis 8:4)
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 29, 2021 13:58:11 GMT -5
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Post by nathan02 on May 29, 2021 14:11:21 GMT -5
If all those quack claims were fact don't you think we would see it on CNN?
CNN is probably the last place you would hear about it... People who want to believe will do so with little evidence, those who don't believe won't regardless of a mountain of evidence.
I personally think the Ark rested in the foothills of Ararat, not on the Mountain top itself, "And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat." (Genesis 8:4)
** That is NOT the Ark the Chinese explorers found, it was above the 1000 feet high. God has preserved the Ark in the higher elevation with ICE so it could be found intact in 2009 for all the world to see BEFORE he returns as King of kings to rule on the earth with His chosen people for 1000 yrs.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 29, 2021 14:20:43 GMT -5
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Post by intelchips on May 29, 2021 14:24:39 GMT -5
"Noah’s Ark Ministries team intends to keep the ark’s purported location secret until they get it designated a UNESCO World Heritage site."
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Post by nathan02 on May 29, 2021 14:26:59 GMT -5
"Noah’s Ark Ministries team intends to keep the ark’s purported location secret until they get it designated a UNESCO World Heritage site." *** I don't think they want the anti-God people to destroy the Ark/evidence by blowing it up.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 29, 2021 14:28:58 GMT -5
"Noah’s Ark Ministries team intends to keep the ark’s purported location secret until they get it designated a UNESCO World Heritage site." When I read that I choked on my morning coffee. Stupid seems to know no bounds.
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Post by intelchips on May 29, 2021 14:33:26 GMT -5
If all those quack claims were fact don't you think we would see it on CNN?
CNN is probably the last place you would hear about it... People who want to believe will do so with little evidence, those who don't believe won't regardless of a mountain of evidence.
I personally think the Ark rested in the foothills of Ararat, not on the Mountain top itself, "And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat." (Genesis 8:4)
Mr. Dan I would think you are well read in the 5 books. and as such you would know The flood narrative is made up of two stories woven together and as a result many details are contradictory, such as how long the flood lasted (40 days according to Genesis 7:17, 150 according to 7:24). Thus for you not to deal with explaining why you chose one version over the other for your argument makes it in my opinion less then stellar.
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Post by intelchips on May 29, 2021 14:53:23 GMT -5
Ziusudra, the Sumerian Noah, was King of the city of Shuruppak where he received warning of the a flood. If one researches the origin of the flood story they will find that epigraphical and archaeological discovery give good grounds for believing that Ziusudra was a prehistoric ruler of a well-known historic city the site of which has been identified as Kish. Also offered as evidence is the fact that a river flood archaeologically attested by sedimentary strata at Shuruppak (modern Tell Fara), Uruk, Kish, and other sites, all of which have been radiocarbon dated to ca. 2900 BC.
Ziusudra, or Zin-Suddu of Shuruppak, is listed as son of the last king of Sumer before a great flood from the Sumerian king list.
Also it should be noted his ship was not an ark but a round vessel of those type we have many historical descriptions of.
He took some sheep, goats and chickens along as well as his family and a few friends.
He might have been the inspiration for the Cajun Navy.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 29, 2021 15:01:03 GMT -5
Ziusudra, the Sumerian Noah, was King of the city of Shuruppak where he received warning of the a flood. If one researches the origin of the flood story they will find that epigraphical and archaeological discovery give good grounds for believing that Ziusudra was a prehistoric ruler of a well-known historic city the site of which has been identified as Kish. Also offered as evidence is the fact that a river flood archaeologically attested by sedimentary strata at Shuruppak (modern Tell Fara), Uruk, Kish, and other sites, all of which have been radiocarbon dated to ca. 2900 BC. Ziusudra, or Zin-Suddu of Shuruppak, is listed as son of the last king of Sumer before a great flood from the Sumerian king list. Also it should be noted his ship was not an ark but a round vessel of those type we have many historical descriptions of. He took some sheep, goats and chickens along as well as his family and a few friends. He might have been the inspiration for the Cajun Navy. The Cajun Navy take Rooster Rum with them.
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Post by Dan on May 29, 2021 15:12:54 GMT -5
Yes, I saw a video of that discovery too..
Original video 2010
Follow-up exploration 2014
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Post by Dan on May 29, 2021 15:47:23 GMT -5
CNN is probably the last place you would hear about it... People who want to believe will do so with little evidence, those who don't believe won't regardless of a mountain of evidence.
I personally think the Ark rested in the foothills of Ararat, not on the Mountain top itself, "And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat." (Genesis 8:4).
Mr. Dan I would think you are well read in the 5 books. and as such you would know The flood narrative is made up of two stories woven together and as a result many details are contradictory, such as how long the flood lasted (40 days according to Genesis 7:17, 150 according to 7:24). Thus for you not to deal with explaining why you chose one version over the other for your argument makes it in my opinion less then stellar.
It flooded for 40 days (rained), but stopped after that. "And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth." (Genesis 7:17) But the water took another 110 days to recede, "And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days." (Genesis 7:24). It takes awhile for that much water to evaporate
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Post by intelchips on May 29, 2021 15:50:08 GMT -5
Mr. Dan I would think you are well read in the 5 books. and as such you would know The flood narrative is made up of two stories woven together and as a result many details are contradictory, such as how long the flood lasted (40 days according to Genesis 7:17, 150 according to 7:24). Thus for you not to deal with explaining why you chose one version over the other for your argument makes it in my opinion less then stellar.
It flooded for 40 days (rained), but stopped after that. "And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth." (Genesis 7:17) But the water took another 110 days to recede, "And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days." (Genesis 7:24). It takes awhile for that much water to evaporate www.engineeringtoolbox.com/evaporation-water-surface-d_690.html
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