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Post by Tell Me More on Jul 25, 2007 13:33:38 GMT -5
I understand some leaflets were placed in the meeting shed at some conventions in Kansas or Missouri USA. Can anyone be more specific? Where? What was written on the cards? Anyone have a scanner to scan one on the board? Any reaction from the workers? Like a letter to the professing folks in an area?
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Post by Info as requested on Jul 25, 2007 22:30:22 GMT -5
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jul 25, 2007 23:05:31 GMT -5
Sweet, beautiful message. Praise God! Let's all turn our hearts to Jesus and pull the plug on the God-forsaken cult. Brad
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Post by minnesota notes on Jul 26, 2007 9:27:02 GMT -5
This issue has come up again because some of the friends in Minnesota are getting email messages of this note.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2007 9:53:24 GMT -5
I like this: the narrow way is defined by Jesus. You know, in early Christendom, some copied the idea of monks from other religions. These monks would live in monasteries, removed from the physical world. It was their idea of the narrow way. But Jesus defined the narrow way by living it. We are asked to live it, too.
p.s. could the person who posted the image above please reduce the size of it, at least by half?
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Post by janet on Jul 26, 2007 9:55:54 GMT -5
Can you charecterize how narrow is narrow and how wide is wide?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2007 10:28:47 GMT -5
I like this: the narrow way is defined by Jesus. You know, in early Christendom, some copied the idea of monks from other religions. These monks would live in monasteries, removed from the physical world. It was their idea of the narrow way. But Jesus defined the narrow way by living it. We are asked to live it, too. p.s. could the person who posted the image above please reduce the size of it, at least by half? Nope. We're going to double it in size and plaster it on the windscreens of your autos the next time you are at meeting.
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Post by hey on Jul 26, 2007 10:59:09 GMT -5
Hey my brother in law got one of those. It was folded and fell out of his car door when he opened the door to leave convention. I think he said it was at Boyden.
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Post by fantastic on Jul 26, 2007 21:26:38 GMT -5
Hey my brother in law got one of those. It was folded and fell out of his car door when he opened the door to leave convention. I think he said it was at Boyden. I THINK THE NOTE IS FANTASTIC, IT DOES NOTHING BUT QUOTE SCRIPTURE AND TELLS BEPOPLE TO READ SCRIPTURE AND NOT BE FOOLS. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS NOTE, ITS NOT BASHING ANYONE ITS JUST STATING THE FACTS. A GREAT THING TO PASS AROUND TO ANY CHURCH.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2007 21:54:39 GMT -5
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Post by touche on Jul 26, 2007 21:59:34 GMT -5
I like the idea of just stating facts, but who's facts? Prue did a web site about the first church that was nothing but fact... Yes bert, but who's facts?
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Post by simple on Jul 26, 2007 22:05:31 GMT -5
You'll have to forgive bert. He keeps reading these discussions about 2x2ism and thinks we're talking about the "first church." He keeps missing that little detail, so please forgive the old man.
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Post by to bert on Jul 27, 2007 9:31:51 GMT -5
Firstly, I am sure that the laugh was on the people who read it, rather than on those who posted it. It's gotten results. The workers are steamed, having spin meetings, and conspiring to prevent future repeats. Some families have left. Who's laughing? Classic bert: Swap the usage of "Truth" as it fits the agenda. "Truth" the proper noun or "truth" the noun are used interchangeably as the agenda requires. Jesus witnessed the truth (noun), and Irvine founded the Truth (proper noun). Bert, please define narrow as it applies to this subject, and be very specific. Also tell where the threshold is between narrow and broad, and be very specific. Truth (noun) may offends someone, but it is still truth (noun). If offense is in the ear of the beholder then any man who speaks offends. I have been offended by you. Does that make you less of a Christian? Seems clear to me, given the intended audience. Care to explain your claim? We agree. That's ONE. This describes religious organizations in general, including yours. As will the churces you despise and so readily condemn. As for your church, in the grand scheme of history, it's a baby, just over 100 years old (despite your contrary spin), and much younger than other churches, or Christianity in general. You forgot one: or play twisting word games with missapplied metaphors, pointing to their own carefully worded website which attempts to justify and re-define their Truth (proper noun) religion and its history.You forgot some: "we judge other's, they are guilty, and condemned to hell" and "we are perfect, don't need forgiveness" and "we don't lie about our founder anymore we just don't talk about him because that's not important" and "Jesus was a good man and our head-head-worker" and "we are the only way to God"I don't know him and doubt you do either but somehow I doubt spiritual blindness was something he chose. BTW I think he was talking about choosing to be ignorant of the facts about Truth (proper noun). I've seen your website, they'll think, as did I, that it's about a different church.
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Post by say what on Jul 27, 2007 9:34:01 GMT -5
Firstly, I am sure that the laugh was on the people who read it, rather than on those who posted it. The people who posted it are the people who read it. Or did you mean to say recieved instead of posted?
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Post by bert doesnt have a clue on Jul 27, 2007 16:01:19 GMT -5
bert doesn't have a clue what he means, he's just passing the time away with meaningless garbage on this board.
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Post by Katie on Jul 27, 2007 18:06:22 GMT -5
Well, there are 3 threads open about the leaflets, and not a single thread is sticking to the subject, so I just picked one! I have a couple questions for those of you who think this is a cool thing to do... WHY are you doing it??? If you don't want to be a part of this fellowship, then WHY is it still a part of you? Why can't you let it go, move on with your life, and be a part of something that brings you peace and satisfaction? If someone ASKS the reason for your decision, then certainly it's fine to share your experience. But WHY do you feel compelled to literally harass everyone in this manner? If you like to pass out flyers, then why are you only targeting THIS fellowship? Why don't you pass out flyers at other churches you don't agree with also??? Why don't you go to the Amish and Hudderite communities, the polygamists colonies, the Mormans, Catholics and Jehovah Witnesses? If your purpose is that you're really trying to "help" people, then why not "reach out" to everyone? Because... if you targeted any other group of people in this manner, they would very likely report you to the police! Have you forgotten that most convention grounds are PRIVATE property? Even on most public properties, solicitation is prohibited! So why do you feel it should be ok to do this on a convention grounds? Just because the owners are nice, forgiving people and won't prosecute? Come on, let's be realistic... putting flyers in people's cars and bible cases, posting convention lists and workers lists on websites as if they were hot 'hit lists', posting arial photos of convention grounds on websites... you guys are starting to look like some kind of terrorist group!!! Is this how you want to be perceived??? I understand some of you have gone through difficult experiences that should not have happened... or maybe this particular fellowship just isn't for you... but please respect those of us who happened to dearly love this way of life, and this way of service.
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Post by _ on Jul 27, 2007 18:56:07 GMT -5
katie,
I have replied to you in another thread called "a reply to katie"...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2007 20:38:38 GMT -5
quote - "The people who posted it are the people who read it. Or did you mean to say recieved instead of posted?"
I noticed that too, and the re-write didn't turn out the best, either... "Firstly, I am sure that the laugh was by the people who read it, rather than by those who posted it. " Oh well.
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Post by simple on Jul 27, 2007 21:00:33 GMT -5
quote - "The people who posted it are the people who read it. Or did you mean to say recieved instead of posted?" I noticed that too, and the re-write didn't turn out the best, either... "Firstly, I am sure that the laugh was by the people who read it, rather than by those who posted it. " Oh well....more meaningless garbage...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2007 21:06:36 GMT -5
okay, here goes... "Firstly, many would have seen that the laugh was on the people who posted this leaflet, rather than on its recipients."
;D ;D ;D
nb that's just a way of saying the leaflet was full of STRAWMAN arguments. We were being laughed at for beliefs we don't hold.
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Post by Answers for Katie on Jul 27, 2007 21:36:28 GMT -5
I have a couple questions for those of you who think this is a cool thing to do... WHY are you doing it??? I'm not. Motivations probably vary. Everything from "revenge" to "spreading the Gospel" and everything in-between. Many in Truth have no family outside. The only family they have is in Truth. This is why it's still a part of a lot of people. Some feel that spreading the Gospel is a calling. They can't let it go. Spreading the Gospel doesn't mean someone can't move on with their life. Passing out notes at convention does not always mean that the note passer hasn't found peace and satisfaction. They won't. More than half of my 2x2 relatives have avoided me like the plague since I (quietly) left, despite my attempts to re-befriend them. This has its origins in the 80's, when we were told continuously by the workers that those who had left had been led astray by false doctrine and that if we listened to what they said we would be led astray by this contagiously poisonous false doctrine. We avoided them, foolishly thinking our souls depended on it. It is unlikely they'll ask. Jesus often taught before he was asked a question and when he charged believers with spreading the Gospel he said nothing about waiting to be asked. Trust me when I say that there are some others around you who do not share your sentiments. I'm sorry you feel harassed. When I was handed and read my first letter, I felt harassed, maybe even violated. With time though, I came to understand what I'd received. I've been thankful ever since. Maybe they do target other religions. Maybe they target this religion because they are intimately familiar with the unscriptural teachings in it. Maybe they don't have time to target other religions. First, these groups are already targeted by some people. Second, the F&W have been known to report people to the police. I'm sure the people handing out these notes are aware of this. I wonder what kind of people said this about Jesus. Perhaps this was one of the justifications they told themselves to pardon themselves for putting him to death. Maybe because Jesus has charged us with spreading the Gospel. Actually, they have been known to get particularly nasty at times, and have even been known to prosecute these people. LOL! Oh my! I'm feeling sorry for you right now. You are a real nut. You can call me whatever you want. Given the person you've demonstrated yourself to be, I will take it as a compliment. You may feel this way but know that others do not agree. I, for one, am thankful for the day when someone cared enough to show me who Jesus really is, and give me the push I needed to look to God for help freeing myself from the bondage I was in. To those of you who feel moved to spread the TRUE GOSPEL: God Bless You, Thank You, And may God Continue to Guide Your Activities!
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Post by antinathan on Jul 27, 2007 22:11:17 GMT -5
These people do it because they believe the Lord has moved them to deliever many of the friends out of this religion which they called "2x2 Cult" They believe with all their hearts they are doing the Lord's work. Oh, goodness sake. And why are bert, nathan, and company on this website? These people do it because they believe the Lord has moved them to deliever many of the ex-friends out of Christian religions which they called "worldly" They believe with all their hearts they are doing the Lord's work. Oh, goodness sake.
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Post by Message to Katie on Jul 27, 2007 22:14:24 GMT -5
Well, there are 3 threads open about the leaflets, and not a single thread is sticking to the subject, so I just picked one! I have a couple questions for those of you who think this is a cool thing to do... WHY are you doing it??? If you don't want to be a part of this fellowship, then WHY is it still a part of you? Why can't you let it go, move on with your life, and be a part of something that brings you peace and satisfaction? If someone ASKS the reason for your decision, then certainly it's fine to share your experience. But WHY do you feel compelled to literally harass everyone in this manner? If you like to pass out flyers, then why are you only targeting THIS fellowship? Why don't you pass out flyers at other churches you don't agree with also??? Why don't you go to the Amish and Hudderite communities, the polygamists colonies, the Mormans, Catholics and Jehovah Witnesses? If your purpose is that you're really trying to "help" people, then why not "reach out" to everyone? Because... if you targeted any other group of people in this manner, they would very likely report you to the police! Have you forgotten that most convention grounds are PRIVATE property? Even on most public properties, solicitation is prohibited! So why do you feel it should be ok to do this on a convention grounds? Just because the owners are nice, forgiving people and won't prosecute? Come on, let's be realistic... putting flyers in people's cars and bible cases, posting convention lists and workers lists on websites as if they were hot 'hit lists', posting arial photos of convention grounds on websites... you guys are starting to look like some kind of terrorist group!!! Is this how you want to be perceived??? I understand some of you have gone through difficult experiences that should not have happened... or maybe this particular fellowship just isn't for you... but please respect those of us who happened to dearly love this way of life, and this way of service. DEAR KATIE, HOW IS PASSING OUT A FLYER THAT SAYS: JESUS IS TRUTH. be so wrong? I think its interesting how people in the 2x2 relligion thing in is wrong to quote scripture and state that Jesus is truth and put it in writing. How is that wrong? Jesus is truth if you are a true Christian. If you are not a true Christian, then only those outside would be upset by the statement that Jesus is the only way and Jesus is truth. Just my thoughts on the matter. I think this flyer could be passed out to all the groups you mentioned in your post, the flyer is applicable to all true Christians and would be useful for the JW's as they call their group the truth.-btw!
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Post by _ on Jul 27, 2007 23:08:38 GMT -5
Hey nateboy,
At least we have Holy Scripture to back up our beliefs...
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Post by _ on Jul 27, 2007 23:18:58 GMT -5
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Post by _ on Jul 27, 2007 23:43:19 GMT -5
I had many discussion with you in the past about your knowlege and understanding of the scriptures sorry to say is very shallow. Nathan, Please give one example of my "very shallow" "knowlege and understanding of the scriptures"... Just one example please... What... you can't... you cannot back up your words and defend your position? BIG SURPRISE.... Once again you've said what you cannot back up nathan... Prove me wrong by providing one example.... if you can...
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Post by Holy vs Holey on Jul 27, 2007 23:51:12 GMT -5
That depends. Holy Scripture? No. Holey Scripture? Yes.
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Post by janet on Jul 28, 2007 1:59:54 GMT -5
Hold on there a second. They do to have scriptures to back their beliefs up. They are called one liners and when they don't fit they change the meanings and inject what they want them to say.
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