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Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Jul 26, 2006 18:18:53 GMT -5
The post above have reminded me that we cannot judge anyone. I know times I made judgements, and then later, when I was in the same position, I realized I had been incredibly unfair.
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Post by Ease up on Jul 26, 2006 18:20:38 GMT -5
Jesus was simply restating GOD's original plan, NOT saying the divorce is a sin, afterall I CHALLANGE anyone to find a DIRECT command that says divorce is a sin, or even sinful behavior. Divorce for fornication is not a sin. It would appear that divorce for any other reason may not have the same 'Get out of jail FREE' card attached. Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.So the man can
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Post by RH on Jul 26, 2006 19:39:26 GMT -5
DUDE, you are already condeming this gal for "a mistake SHE made when younger", HOW the heck do you know it was HER mistake???
Was the mistake getting married to a jerk who cheated on her, was the mistake getting married before SHE was really ready, was the mistake getting DIVORCED?
YOU have ALREADY judged her without all the facts ( as per YOUR post anyway), what gives you the right to judge ANYONE?
And you have judged me not knowing anything but the few lines I wrote.
GOD allowed provisions for divorce, BECAUSE he KNEW we would mess up, HE knew WE would marry too young, HE knew WE would marry the WRONG person.
Jesus is also very clear about something else that many of you seem to be forgetting, Jesus DID NOT COME to add to or CHANGE the law.
Jesus was simply restating GOD's original plan, NOT saying the divorce is a sin, afterall I CHALLANGE anyone to find a DIRECT command that says divorce is a sin, or even sinful behavior.I don't know who you are but your response is quite judgmental yourself. When I originally wrote this in I was very honest with my situation, how I am feeling and a sense of overall uneasiness with my understanding of the verses regarding divorce and remarriage. I asked if I understood the scripture wrong because I am worried that I do and some kind hearted people have provided me with links to read up on, which after reading and meditating on are showing me that I have probably erred in my understanding. Those responses are wonderful, showing me kindly that I might be about to make a huge mistake. Therefore I really don’t know the purpose of your post other than trying your best to show me that I am not perfect. I am painfully aware of that, but thanks anyways for your effort.
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Post by Rob O on Jul 26, 2006 20:13:14 GMT -5
Hi rh,
I know it's hard but try not to let them get to you. There are many fine people on this board who can offer sound and wise advice. But all too often they get lost in the crowd of shouters and nay-sayers.
God gave divorce and remarriage as provisions for the sins of people. D&R is not the sin itself (although in some cases it could be, especially if one/both partners are just after an easy out). God Himself is a divorcee who will remarry. That might be hard to believe but there are passages which say just that. The mistake people make is in thinking marriage is some sort of magical connection (though such a connection might exist between two people, marriage is not the cause of it). Marriage is a covenant, and like any covenant it can be broken by one or more of the parties involved.
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Post by just me on Jul 28, 2006 22:21:29 GMT -5
I met a girl and after dating for a while I discovered that she was married before but is now divorced. next time ask those kinds of questions early on I do not know what to do or I should say I feel stuck. I love this women very much. congrats, love doesnt come around very often, are you sure you wanna take a pass??? However I am aware that Jesus said that "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives but from the beginning it was not so" and in the verses preceding this it says "therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate."Matt 19 vs 6 and 8 and in the same passage Jesus said, "anyone who LOOKS at a woman with lust in his heart HAS committed adultry"
keep everything in perspective AND in the proper context, son I know that God feels marriage is a very important vow and one that is not to be taken lightly. very true That being said I have struggled very much to tell a women that I love that she is to be held accountable for a mistake she made when she was quite young and therefore we can't be together because I don't want to committ adultry. are YOU the one who is to "hold her accountable"??
I ask AGAIN "HOW the heck do you know it was HER mistake??? Was the mistake getting married to a ( for instance) jerk who cheated on her, was the mistake getting married before SHE was really ready, was the mistake getting DIVORCED?" Dude, just cuz you dont like the questions, DOESNT mean they are NOT relevant, or that they shouldnt be considered.Am I correct in my understanding or am I way off base....scripture please. Thanks [/quote] Tell ya what, hows bout I make it easy for you, just tell her this:
________, I love you, but, you see I am perfect and I have never made any mistakes and since you were married and are now divorced i just can not lower myself to the level of a mere mortal sinner who needs the grace of GOD and Jesus as her LORD and savior.
There, now dont ya feel all warm n fuzzy inside???
really, it will probably be for the best, afterall SHE will never live up to your standards, so why dont you just save some time and heart ache and QUIT dating mere mortal sinners who need the grace of GOD and Jesus as their LORD and savior.yea, I know I will get hammered on for writing this, but, SO WHAT I DO feel for you rh, if you think this is bad, wait till you fall for some chick who pulls this on YOU, THAT tears your heart right out of your chest. AMHIK
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Post by let there be light on Jul 30, 2006 18:32:01 GMT -5
There is no consistency within the F&W's with regards to remarriage AFTER one has been released from their former spouse due to infidelity EVEN though the person they are now marrying was NEVER married before. This is clearly stated in Matthew 5:32 "...But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whoever shall marry her that is divorced committed adultery". In one case I know of the man and woman professed and the man had been married before and his case pertained to the above -- his ex-wife cheated & left the marriage. However, upon both the man & his new wife professing the workers allowed the man (who had been divorced & hadn't known of "truth" before) to take part in meeting, HOWEVER, the woman (who had known "truth" in her younger years was told not to take part in the meeting. This doesn't make much sense does it?
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Post by Nichole M on Jul 30, 2006 19:46:56 GMT -5
Even *I'm* shocked at this one, Are you serious? So up here, a man, who loves his wife soo much, that they had to move an entire province apart to stay away from each other , so wouldn't be able to see each other on a regular basis. because they were told that's what you have to do to take part in meeting, While others in his same religion, in different parts of the world, in the same or close to the same circumstances are together, and some with meeting in their home? That makes me sick. Yes, it is true that there are many different takes on the divorce remarriage issue among the 2x2's. To me it shows a lack of unity that they preach so much about having. Nichole
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Post by IQ on Aug 1, 2006 15:39:05 GMT -5
Even *I'm* shocked at this one, Are you serious? So up here, a man, who loves his wife soo much, that they had to move an entire province apart to stay away from each other , so wouldn't be able to see each other on a regular basis. because they were told that's what you have to do to take part in meeting, While others in his same religion, in different parts of the world, in the same or close to the same circumstances are together, and some with meeting in their home? That makes me sick. Yes, it is true that there are many different takes on the divorce remarriage issue among the 2x2's. To me it shows a lack of unity that they preach so much about having. Nichole Could it be a lack of understanding, lack of guidance from the Holy Spirit... ...and some workers are preaching the Gospel under their own understanding, offered to go preach because of a emotion or pressure, rather than by being chosen (called of) by God?
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Post by RH on Aug 2, 2006 1:02:30 GMT -5
To those of you who posted thoughtful responses to my first postS I would like to say thank you. I am very glad for the responses I have recieved regarding this matter. Many, many times I have questioned why the bible stated in matt 5:32 that whosoever shall marry her that is divorced has committed adultery. It appeared to contradict so much. I am grateful to see something now that I never saw before. I have been enlightened. To all who helped me, may God bless you To just me, I am rather disappointed with your posts. They were quite immature really. Without understanding the difference between put away and a bill of divorcement as well as a translation error that has been shown to me it seems rather hard to interpret this verse any other way. Your responses were neither kind or helpful, just spiteful. I am sorry but obviously that is how you communicate with others when you don't agree with them, rather than help them, you try to belittle them. I hope that in the future you try a more mature approach.
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Post by just me on Aug 3, 2006 17:11:05 GMT -5
rh, rh, rh what am I gonna do with you??? I know I am probably wasting my time, afterall you have already decided to camp on your one verse as the last and ONLY word on divorce in the bible. I asked the questions I asked for a very good reason, unfortunately you have already made up your mind and chose to camp out instead of taking the time to examine the questions I asked, so be it, you want a verse?? how bout this one: 1 Corinthians 7:15 15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. So in light of the above verse, if she was married to an unbeliever, the marriage was not ordained by GOD and therefore, the divorce is not to be held against her, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm sooooooooooo was her "mistake" getting amrried or divorced? ?? Quote " I love this women very much. " end quote hm if that is really true then where does this, quote " That being said I have struggled very much to tell a women that I love that she is to be held accountable for a mistake she made when she was quite young " end quote, fit in according to Pauls description of what love is? ?? 1 Corinthians 13: 4 - 7 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. so let me see if I understand correctly: You LOVE this woman but because of a " mistake she made when she was quite young and therefore we can't be together " you are going to break up with her. I guess grace REALLY is only of GOD
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Post by just me on Aug 3, 2006 17:18:05 GMT -5
The post above have reminded me that we cannot judge anyone. I know times I made judgements, and then later, when I was in the same position, I realized I had been incredibly unfair. Oddly enough, I am not making a judgement. simply an observation based on the information from the POSTER. The poster stated that "made a mistake while quite young", all I wanted to know is HOW he knew it was HER mistake, as far as anybody knows via this thread, she very well could be COMPLETELY innocent of any wrongdoing, and YET the poster is going to break up with her because of her " mistake made whle very young" Seems like more people should question the wisdom of that decision. Carry on
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