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Post by diet coke on Jul 22, 2007 23:36:23 GMT -5
I would suggest that both our assumptions about the story of the Ark are based on a lack of evidence - in your case, faith fills in where evidence is absent to make a magical story true; in my case, the lack of evidence simply tells me the story is a magical story. Mr Leo, I submit that whoever the authors were that wrote the two flood stories in the Bible, they were not writing fairy tales. That story, passed down from generation to generation, was real to them; whether believed in their entirety, they were never intended to be magic. But neither was it meant to be taken "literally", by our definition of that word, or else the collator of those two stories would have combined them or dropped one of the two instead of just splicing both together. The result is an attempt to preserve the stories that had been written, without concern about contradicting "facts". Much like the preservation of two distinct creation stories we have earlier in Genesis. Our recent habit of looking critically with a scientific mind is a liability to understanding the point of the stories.
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Post by possibly on Jul 22, 2007 23:58:55 GMT -5
I think the flood really happened, just not as described in the Bible. Most ancient cultures have a flood story.
One person theorized that the geological plates floated on a layer of water. At sometime (perhaps 6,000) years ago a crack started in the earth's surface. The crack went clear around the earth. When the water started to gush from below the plates, great amounts of lime and other soil/minerals was spewed into the air. This settled in various parts of the world. Also, the water went so high to freeze and when it fell it caused "an ice age". This is what killed the dinosaurs. The plates moved one way or another and caused geat ravines in the newly formed oceans and mountains above ground.
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Post by Skeptic Al on Jul 23, 2007 3:28:11 GMT -5
Have you ever wondered whether God left us the Bible or the Koran? The Koran says the world sits on the backs of elephants and when they walk, it causes earthquakes. So, I'm pretty sure God didn't write that. Christ's Forever, Jessi Um, what about Joshua 10:13, where the sun allegedly stood still in the sky all day? Since it's the earth's rotation, not the sun's movement, that gives us the appearance of a rising and setting sun, this passage would imply that the earth stopped rotating for a few hours. Can you imagine the whiplash suffered by the Earth's inhabitants that day (especially the poor folks living near the equatorial latitudes)?! You're cruising along at about 1000 mph and suddenly god throws the brakes on. One minute you're raking your wheat fields and the next thing you know you're being flung into space at 1000 MPH. Ouch, that's gotta hurt! 'Tis a shame that the "inspired" writer(s) of Joshua's day didn't have Gallileo around to help them out with their astronomy lessons...
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Post by Jessi on Jul 23, 2007 5:24:27 GMT -5
Inicidentally, the larger creatures (like dinasaurs) brought on the ark were probably young—and most weren’t as huge as the bones that have been found. Dinosaurs, too, Jessi? But...but...but... Dinasaurs, too, what? What are you talking about? No stuttering is allowed. Christ's Forever, Jessi
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Post by Jessi on Jul 23, 2007 5:33:49 GMT -5
I would suggest that both our assumptions about the story of the Ark are based on a lack of evidence - in your case, faith fills in where evidence is absent to make a magical story true; in my case, the lack of evidence simply tells me the story is a magical story. mrleo, There is not a lack of evidence. There is the lack of belief--so that no matter how much evidence is presented, you won't believe. But if just one person investigates because of our discussion stemming from your unbelief . . . God gets the glory. Christ's Forever, Jessi
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Post by mrleo on Jul 23, 2007 14:17:46 GMT -5
There is a lack of evidence. If, for instance, there were even half as much evidence supporting the Ark story as there is to support the "RMS Titanic story", I would have no difficulty believing in the Ark.
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Post by dont isolate on Jul 26, 2007 3:29:41 GMT -5
Mrleo - there is no evidence for all the spiritual claims of the bible - so please dont isolate just the ark
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