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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 0:29:05 GMT -5
When it came to some of the petty stupid nonsense like some older female workers insisting the bride have her hair up, and wear for her wedding what she could wear to a meeting, we always operated with a "get stuffed" attitude, without actually having to say it. And then as time went on, others would do the same, and then before you knew it, the old tyrants had passed on, as had their stupid rules. Touch not, taste not, handle not the rules and regulations, which perish with the using. In context Paul was probably saying that the rules of Judaism were not necessary to please God. In today's context, the rules of men are not necessary to please God either. Where do I sign the "Pragmatic for Overseer" petition? After the 3/5 Compromise of 1897, worldling votes aren't worth quite as much of course, but every little bit helps!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 0:36:11 GMT -5
A journalist asked Therald Sylvester, former Overseer of Washington state, about the criticisms by ex-members of the cover-up of the history. Therald’s response was that “It’s been purifying.”* I perceive that to mean that the truth was fouling up the Truth. It was a perfect deflection from the accusation of deception by the ministry. *Anderson, Kathie. Religious Sect Follows Different Path. The Bellingham Herald, Bellingham, Washington, August 20, 1983 I think that, like other polished cold readers and con-men, Therald was practiced at making vague statements which can mean 5 different things at once, while simultaneously sounding wise and pious. Would that be the truth? Not the "Truth" of course, which is Jesus. Nor the "T/truth as it is in Jesus", which may be referring to the fellowship or Jesus, depending on need. (Discerning whether a word is capitalized when spoken audibly is a real talent, once which I never seemed to get the hang of)
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 28, 2020 2:06:36 GMT -5
A journalist asked Therald Sylvester, former Overseer of Washington state, about the criticisms by ex-members of the cover-up of the history. Therald’s response was that “It’s been purifying.”* I perceive that to mean that the truth was fouling up the Truth. It was a perfect deflection from the accusation of deception by the ministry. *Anderson, Kathie. Religious Sect Follows Different Path. The Bellingham Herald, Bellingham, Washington, August 20, 1983 I think that, like other polished cold readers and con-men, Therald was practiced at making vague statements which can mean 5 different things at once, while simultaneously sounding wise and pious. Would that be the truth? It's a specialized skill -- all the platitudes. Kids grow up learning it, and learn early on that (1) outsiders don't necessarily understand it, and/or (2) outsiders just don't have the truthful nature to appreciate the real meaning. I never met Tharold, but for sure that was what his statement was designed to be. I read some other comments Tharold made that were just equally too vague to convict him of anything specific.
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Post by snow on Jan 28, 2020 15:04:27 GMT -5
Um Nathan you are known to do your fair share of nasty name calling too don't forget. And just for the record, Bob didn't call you any names. He did provide a metaphor... ** I am a very easy, mellow person and nice but don't take advantage of my goodness and push me in the corner because I will let you have it in full. It seems you have NOT follow all of BobW posts and myself. If they dish it out to me, I will give them plenty in return. I will NOT be theirs doormat for very long. I had been very kind and patience for 20 yrs, now no more. I was always taught by my parents that we were not to stoop to the low levels of others because being a child of God we were to be an example to others who weren't. The bible also seems to state that you are to be an example of what a loving and forgiving person should be like. I believe the only time you are actually given permission to protect yourself is in the case of dire physical attack. That's one reason why I thought that NZ worker was so different from what I used to see in the workers. He was nasty and not at all what I have always thought of as Christ like. In order to be Christ like I imagine that means that you don't retaliate and stoop to name calling. But just for the record, I don't see Bob actually name calling. So bottom line, don't you think you should be a 'doormat for Christ'?
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Post by nathan on Jan 28, 2020 16:15:27 GMT -5
** I am a very easy, mellow person and nice but don't take advantage of my goodness and push me in the corner because I will let you have it in full. It seems you have NOT follow all of BobW posts and myself. If they dish it out to me, I will give them plenty in return. I will NOT be theirs doormat for very long. I had been very kind and patience for 20 yrs, now no more. I was always taught by my parents that we were not to stoop to the low levels of others because being a child of God we were to be an example to others who weren't. The bible also seems to state that you are to be an example of what a loving and forgiving person should be like. I believe the only time you are actually given permission to protect yourself is in the case of dire physical attack. That's one reason why I thought that NZ worker was so different from what I used to see in the workers. He was nasty and not at all what I have always thought of as Christ like. In order to be Christ like I imagine that means that you don't retaliate and stoop to name calling. But just for the record, I don't see Bob actually name calling. So bottom line, don't you think you should be a 'doormat for Christ'? ** I disagree with your opinion and understanding. Jesus called the Pharisees, Saducees, Herod and others people all sort of names such as Vipers you need to read Matthew 23 Jesus woes to the Pharisee. BobW is NOT an angel as you think he is. Soory, no more doormat for me! The Bible teach us try to live peacefully if possible. Don't let anyone take an advantage of you. If anyone on here dish out on me, they better be ready to get some in return. No more doormat.
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Post by SharonArnold on Jan 28, 2020 16:47:27 GMT -5
A journalist asked Therald Sylvester, former Overseer of Washington state, about the criticisms by ex-members of the cover-up of the history. Therald’s response was that “It’s been purifying.”* I perceive that to mean that the truth was fouling up the Truth. It was a perfect deflection from the accusation of deception by the ministry. *Anderson, Kathie. Religious Sect Follows Different Path. The Bellingham Herald, Bellingham, Washington, August 20, 1983 hmmm when i see purifying i think cleaned up or make better...not worse.... Wally, I like you. I really do. I like your instinctive take on this, and I think it comes from a kinda good place. I respect that. A lot. I do not have the context on Therald's quote. And, especially, these days (in politics) we have learned that context is all important (and frequently ignored). I do not have an opinion about Therald, except for hazy memories of him as a convention speaker years ago. (And that he shared the same last name with my then black-and-white tuxedo cat, which kinda impressed me as a kid.) But I would guess that he meant it was "purifying" the 2X2 way by removing specific people from it, not "purifying" it by disabusing people/membership of its stated origins. (Don't get me wrong, I am perfectly okay with someone holding that viewpoint.) But I do think there is merit in calling a spade a spade.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 28, 2020 18:07:21 GMT -5
hmmm when i see purifying i think cleaned up or make better...not worse.... Wally, I like you. I really do. I like your instinctive take on this, and I think it comes from a kinda good place. I respect that. A lot. I do not have the context on Therald's quote. And, especially, these days (in politics) we have learned that context is all important (and frequently ignored). I do not have an opinion about Therald, except for hazy memories of him as a convention speaker years ago. (And that he shared the same last name with my then black-and-white tuxedo cat, which kinda impressed me as a kid.) But I would guess that he meant it was "purifying" the 2X2 way by removing specific people from it, not "purifying" it by disabusing people/membership of its stated origins. (Don't get me wrong, I am perfectly okay with someone holding that viewpoint.) But I do think there is merit in calling a spade a spade. Unfortunately the expression "calling a spade a spade" is really just another platitude, a poetic expression for some nasty separation that had to be done. The word "purifying" identifies NOTHING . . . neither the filth nor the polluted matter. Unless, like you and Wally, a person understands Truth double speak . . a person is perfectly free to assume that Tharold meant that all the workers who sullied Irvine's revelation that he (Irvine) was the promised savior of the world could not be identified and put out of the ministry.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 28, 2020 18:17:40 GMT -5
Um Nathan you are known to do your fair share of nasty name calling too don't forget. And just for the record, Bob didn't call you any names. He did provide a metaphor... ** I am a very easy, mellow person and nice but don't take advantage of my goodness and push me in the corner because I will let you have it in full. It seems you have NOT follow all of BobW posts and myself. If they dish it out to me, I will give them plenty in return. I will NOT be theirs doormat for very long. I had been very kind and patience for 20 yrs, now no more. When you post lies about Byrds so caalled diary, posts about hollow planets, posts about giants and lizard people you deserve strong posts in return. I would not want other gullible people to fall into the same ditch as you.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 28, 2020 18:36:03 GMT -5
** I am a very easy, mellow person and nice but don't take advantage of my goodness and push me in the corner because I will let you have it in full. It seems you have NOT follow all of BobW posts and myself. If they dish it out to me, I will give them plenty in return. I will NOT be theirs doormat for very long. I had been very kind and patience for 20 yrs, now no more. When you post lies about Byrds so caalled diary, posts about hollow planets, posts about giants and lizard people you deserve strong posts in return. I would not want other gullible people to fall into the same ditch as you. My parents were always embarrassed when I told lies to the other kids at school.
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Post by snow on Jan 28, 2020 19:31:11 GMT -5
I was always taught by my parents that we were not to stoop to the low levels of others because being a child of God we were to be an example to others who weren't. The bible also seems to state that you are to be an example of what a loving and forgiving person should be like. I believe the only time you are actually given permission to protect yourself is in the case of dire physical attack. That's one reason why I thought that NZ worker was so different from what I used to see in the workers. He was nasty and not at all what I have always thought of as Christ like. In order to be Christ like I imagine that means that you don't retaliate and stoop to name calling. But just for the record, I don't see Bob actually name calling. So bottom line, don't you think you should be a 'doormat for Christ'? ** I disagree with your opinion and understanding. Jesus called the Pharisees, Saducees, Herod and others people all sort of names such as Vipers you need to read Matthew 23 Jesus woes to the Pharisee. BobW is NOT an angel as you think he is. Soory, no more doormat for me! The Bible teach us try to live peacefully if possible. Don't let anyone take an advantage of you. If anyone on here dish out on me, they better be ready to get some in return. No more doormat. Where does it say in the bible that you should give as good as you get? It says the opposite in fact. You are ignoring a very important aspect of what Christ was all about imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 20:07:14 GMT -5
** I disagree with your opinion and understanding. Jesus called the Pharisees, Saducees, Herod and others people all sort of names such as Vipers you need to read Matthew 23 Jesus woes to the Pharisee. BobW is NOT an angel as you think he is. Soory, no more doormat for me! The Bible teach us try to live peacefully if possible. Don't let anyone take an advantage of you. If anyone on here dish out on me, they better be ready to get some in return. No more doormat. Where does it say in the bible that you should give as good as you get? It says the opposite in fact. You are ignoring a very important aspect of what Christ was all about imo. Paul also said this: Rom_12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. key word there is IF....
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Post by snow on Jan 28, 2020 20:14:12 GMT -5
Where does it say in the bible that you should give as good as you get? It says the opposite in fact. You are ignoring a very important aspect of what Christ was all about imo. Paul also said this: Rom_12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. key word there is IF.... So my question is why is it such a threat for someone to have to strike back when it's an online words only forum? No one can hurt you and it would be an ideal place to show what a Christ like spirit is like. It's not exactly like you deal with any of us in 'real life' and it doesn't harm you physically. Ah well. I guess I just don't understand.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 20:18:03 GMT -5
Paul also said this: Rom_12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. key word there is IF.... So my question is why is it such a threat for someone to have to strike back when it's an online words only forum? No one can hurt you and it would be an ideal place to show what a Christ like spirit is like. It's not exactly like you deal with any of us in 'real life' and it doesn't harm you physically. Ah well. I guess I just don't understand. its called getting run over and losing credibility, who wants that?
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Post by snow on Jan 28, 2020 20:28:22 GMT -5
So my question is why is it such a threat for someone to have to strike back when it's an online words only forum? No one can hurt you and it would be an ideal place to show what a Christ like spirit is like. It's not exactly like you deal with any of us in 'real life' and it doesn't harm you physically. Ah well. I guess I just don't understand. its called getting run over and losing credibility, who wants that? I guess I see it differently. I feel trying to keep the peace holds more credibility. Not sure that's the word I am looking for though. I think most people see what is true and respect people for not getting caught up in a back and forth. I don't see it as a weakness or a losing of credibility. I'm sorry. I don't seem to be explaining myself very well. I guess it is what it is and we all are different. I was always afraid of confrontation when I was a kid because it always led to me getting in a lot of trouble so I likely have a trigger when things get hostile. I probably go too far the other way because of that early life conditioning. Arguments and confrontations are things to avoid if possible for me. Thanks for the explanation Wally.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 28, 2020 22:01:17 GMT -5
So my question is why is it such a threat for someone to have to strike back when it's an online words only forum? No one can hurt you and it would be an ideal place to show what a Christ like spirit is like. It's not exactly like you deal with any of us in 'real life' and it doesn't harm you physically. Ah well. I guess I just don't understand. its called getting run over and losing credibility, who wants that? If you believe in talking snakes and hollow planets then you have zero credibility.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 28, 2020 23:35:05 GMT -5
Where does it say in the bible that you should give as good as you get? It says the opposite in fact. You are ignoring a very important aspect of what Christ was all about imo. Paul also said this: Rom_12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. key word there is IF.... No happy medium, huh?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 28, 2020 23:37:02 GMT -5
So my question is why is it such a threat for someone to have to strike back when it's an online words only forum? No one can hurt you and it would be an ideal place to show what a Christ like spirit is like. It's not exactly like you deal with any of us in 'real life' and it doesn't harm you physically. Ah well. I guess I just don't understand. its called getting run over and losing credibility, who wants that? Taking care of the ego.
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Post by intelchips on Jan 28, 2020 23:41:53 GMT -5
When I professed the West USA was considered liberal and the East USA were the conservatives. I know a few friends who moved to the west because it was more liberal Ie. you could openly have a radio etc. Seems like things have now reversed. What changed, or am I wrong about this? It's just different rules. Complicated with a "who's who" that makes it difficult for newcomers to fit in. What I found totally surprising, and amusing, is that workers here would look at our wedding picture and ask: "Were you two professing when you were married?" And I didn't dare tell my mother that one of the workers asked me if "she" (my mother) was professing. There was obviously something in the pictures that prompted the questions -- darned if I knew what it was. I should have asked them why they were asking. When the workers go around handing out hammers soon everything looks like a nail!
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 28, 2020 23:47:08 GMT -5
its called getting run over and losing credibility, who wants that? I guess I see it differently. I feel trying to keep the peace holds more credibility. Not sure that's the word I am looking for though. I think most people see what is true and respect people for not getting caught up in a back and forth. I don't see it as a weakness or a losing of credibility. I'm sorry. I don't seem to be explaining myself very well. I guess it is what it is and we all are different. I was always afraid of confrontation when I was a kid because it always led to me getting in a lot of trouble so I likely have a trigger when things get hostile. I probably go too far the other way because of that early life conditioning. Arguments and confrontations are things to avoid if possible for me. Thanks for the explanation Wally. Ironically most of the delinquent kids that ended up in the correctional school where I taught, got there for defending their credibility, reputation, ego, whatever. They had no self respect without the ratification of others.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jan 29, 2020 0:03:21 GMT -5
I guess I see it differently. I feel trying to keep the peace holds more credibility. Not sure that's the word I am looking for though. I think most people see what is true and respect people for not getting caught up in a back and forth. I don't see it as a weakness or a losing of credibility. I'm sorry. I don't seem to be explaining myself very well. I guess it is what it is and we all are different. I was always afraid of confrontation when I was a kid because it always led to me getting in a lot of trouble so I likely have a trigger when things get hostile. I probably go too far the other way because of that early life conditioning. Arguments and confrontations are things to avoid if possible for me. Thanks for the explanation Wally. Ironically most of the delinquent kids that ended up in the correctional school where I taught, got there for defending their credibility, reputation, ego, whatever. They had no self respect without the ratification of others. That is one of the more profound statements I have seen on TMB
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Post by snow on Jan 29, 2020 14:09:03 GMT -5
I guess I see it differently. I feel trying to keep the peace holds more credibility. Not sure that's the word I am looking for though. I think most people see what is true and respect people for not getting caught up in a back and forth. I don't see it as a weakness or a losing of credibility. I'm sorry. I don't seem to be explaining myself very well. I guess it is what it is and we all are different. I was always afraid of confrontation when I was a kid because it always led to me getting in a lot of trouble so I likely have a trigger when things get hostile. I probably go too far the other way because of that early life conditioning. Arguments and confrontations are things to avoid if possible for me. Thanks for the explanation Wally. Ironically most of the delinquent kids that ended up in the correctional school where I taught, got there for defending their credibility, reputation, ego, whatever. They had no self respect without the ratification of others. I agree. Working with inmates it was obvious to me that much of why they got into trouble was because they felt they had to prove themselves. They had very little self esteem and that's one reason why they always responded well to respect by staff. They craved understanding and respect because they just didn't have it themselves. Looking for outside validation.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jan 29, 2020 16:43:58 GMT -5
Stop trying to answer for Wally. Wally and I are Internet co-workers/companions on TMB, didn't you get the memo/the workers list. We support and help each others with the little that we know and understand... We will be together as workers for a long haul on here.Oh, p-lease......spare me
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Post by mountain on Feb 1, 2020 8:43:41 GMT -5
its called getting run over and losing credibility, who wants that? If you believe in talking snakes and hollow planets then you have zero credibility. Careful my dear friend. Have you seen 'Jungle Book' or read Vernes 'Journey to the centre of the Earth?' There is so much out there that can enrich our knowledge hugely, if only we will open our mind to it! How many people do you know that would have believed there was a castle in Edinburgh? Yet Dmetc has proved it to be the case!
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Post by nathan on Feb 1, 2020 9:03:02 GMT -5
Wally and I are Internet co-workers/companions on TMB, didn't you get the memo/the workers list. We support and help each others with the little that we know and understand... We will be together as workers for a long haul on here. Oh, p-lease......spare me This is what an ex-worker and a few others tell me... I just confirm what they say... and Wally has agreed. Please, don't shoot the messengers/servants of God because there are ONLY few of us left compare to 7.8 billion of people on the earth.
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Post by mountain on Feb 1, 2020 9:50:27 GMT -5
Oh, p-lease......spare me This is what an ex-worker and a few others tell me... I just confirm what they say... and Wally has agreed. Please, don't shoot the messengers/servants of God because there are ONLY few of us left compare to 7.8 billion of people on the earth. Board members and others should take heed of this. However, this statement about Earth begs the question....'What about Venus?' Also what was the fate of the rearguard section of 1st Independent (Lunar) Artillery Battalion who were reportedly left behind on the Moon during late 1944, when the battalion was forced to abandon its positions and return to the Earth to defend the German homeland during the Battle of the Bulge? People need to ask serious and searching questions rather than dismiss what they don't want to hear, or what they think is fantasy.
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Post by Lee on Feb 1, 2020 10:05:06 GMT -5
I think that, like other polished cold readers and con-men, Therald was practiced at making vague statements which can mean 5 different things at once, while simultaneously sounding wise and pious. Would that be the truth? It's a specialized skill -- all the platitudes. Kids grow up learning it, and learn early on that (1) outsiders don't necessarily understand it, and/or (2) outsiders just don't have the truthful nature to appreciate the real meaning. I never met Tharold, but for sure that was what his statement was designed to be. I read some other comments Tharold made that were just equally too vague to convict him of anything specific. I hated the ambiguity of prayer and testimonies. I sat through meetings with my face in my hands from 12-17, when I left meetings and moved out. I'm weirder than you can imagine, and it's somewhat my reputation. Eccentric. I find you to be weird too. "My name is Bob, Doot to Doo...." "Our planet and people are perfect already and salvation is a backwards notion of idiots".
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Post by Lee on Feb 1, 2020 11:19:30 GMT -5
** I disagree with your opinion and understanding. Jesus called the Pharisees, Saducees, Herod and others people all sort of names such as Vipers you need to read Matthew 23 Jesus woes to the Pharisee. BobW is NOT an angel as you think he is. Soory, no more doormat for me! The Bible teach us try to live peacefully if possible. Don't let anyone take an advantage of you. If anyone on here dish out on me, they better be ready to get some in return. No more doormat. Where does it say in the bible that you should give as good as you get? It says the opposite in fact. You are ignoring a very important aspect of what Christ was all about imo. New International Version Give back to her as she has given; pay her back double for what she has done. Pour her a double portion from her own cup.
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Post by snow on Feb 1, 2020 13:41:32 GMT -5
Where does it say in the bible that you should give as good as you get? It says the opposite in fact. You are ignoring a very important aspect of what Christ was all about imo. New International Version Give back to her as she has given; pay her back double for what she has done. Pour her a double portion from her own cup. Those verses are talking about Babylon, both in Revelations and the Psalms. But I'm sure they are some of the more loved verses in the bible for some. Justifies being nasty. Didn't Jesus come to say love your enemies and turn the other cheek? Cherry pickin time again I see. Better get my pail! But hey, keep the faith there Lee!
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