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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 17:39:34 GMT -5
oh you are so mistaken, our rights come from God and not the gov't the whole premise of the constitution and bill of rights is that the gov't has no say in some matters.... I’m confused . Do we not need to , at minimum , obey the laws of our country - the government? Do I have a god-given right to not pay my taxes , drive any speed I want , fly aeroplanes when and where I please ? Who chooses which rules to obey or ignore ? Do guns have special status somehow from God ? I own numerous guns , but didn’t think I had a god given right to own them . Alvin Alvin Gods law first wordly law second....one only has to read the bill of rights to see that the gov't should stay out of some things or have limited role in some things....
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Post by slowtosee on Jan 26, 2020 17:45:47 GMT -5
Who gets to choose which law to follow ? Everybody or ? Major chaos if all follow different laws in a country ?
Why are gun laws god given , and above a country’s laws ? Alvin
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 17:47:49 GMT -5
Who gets to choose which law to follow ? Everybody or ? Major chaos if all follow different laws in a country ? Why are gun laws god given , and above a country’s laws ? Alvin in our case it was not so, firearm laws were encapsulated by the 2nd amendment as a right...
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Post by Annan on Jan 26, 2020 17:53:27 GMT -5
How does having health insurance or auto insurance protect you from illness or accident? well if you have health insurance if you go to the doctor you may head off an illness and with auto insurance you are heading off a lawsuit instead of trusting God to protect you...i could go on and on with other things too that protect us but why i've made a very good point.... But if your god did his job and protected you, you would have no need for insurance. Seems your god isn't good for much other than threatening people with punishment for not doing what he wants.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 17:56:09 GMT -5
well if you have health insurance if you go to the doctor you may head off an illness and with auto insurance you are heading off a lawsuit instead of trusting God to protect you...i could go on and on with other things too that protect us but why i've made a very good point.... But if your god did his job and protected you, you would have no need for insurance. Seems your god isn't good for much other than threatening people with punishment for not doing what he wants. that wasn't my point...but he never promised an incident free life in fact he said trouble would come...
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Post by Annan on Jan 26, 2020 17:58:08 GMT -5
But if your god did his job and protected you, you would have no need for insurance. Seems your god isn't good for much other than threatening people with punishment for not doing what he wants. that wasn't my point...but he never promised an incident free life in fact he said trouble would come... So trouble comes with or without insurance and with or without your god? Huh?
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Post by slowtosee on Jan 26, 2020 18:01:07 GMT -5
Who gets to choose which law to follow ? Everybody or ? Major chaos if all follow different laws in a country ? Why are gun laws god given , and above a country’s laws ? Alvin in our case it was not so, firearm laws were encapsulated by the 2nd amendment as a right... I seriously don’t get it . 2nd amendment is a “ government given law “ , not god given at all ? Surely an amendment can be made to an original amendment, that is proving to be VERY detrimental to society . To allow ordinary “crazy “ civilians like myself , to own , carry and use an assault rifle in urban areas is just bizarre , and causing many innocent civilian murders . Not smart Hiding behind God , to justify it I don’t get it st all Alvin
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 18:03:40 GMT -5
that wasn't my point...but he never promised an incident free life in fact he said trouble would come... So trouble comes with or without insurance and with or without your god? Huh? Joh_16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 18:05:32 GMT -5
in our case it was not so, firearm laws were encapsulated by the 2nd amendment as a right... I seriously don’t get it . 2nd amendment is a “ government given law “ , not god given at all ? Surely an amendment can be made to an original amendment, that is proving to be VERY detrimental to society . To allow ordinary “crazy “ civilians like myself , to own , carry and use an assault rifle in urban areas is just bizarre , and causing many innocent civilian murders . Not smart Hiding behind God , to justify it I don’t get it st all Alvin no the 2nd clearly limits what the gov't can do concerning firearms....
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Post by Annan on Jan 26, 2020 18:07:23 GMT -5
So trouble comes with or without insurance and with or without your god? Huh? Joh_16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. You can quote scripture till you're blue in the face. Quoting scripture doesn't prove your point, and it doesn't mean a hill of beans to me.
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Post by slowtosee on Jan 26, 2020 18:11:59 GMT -5
I seriously don’t get it . 2nd amendment is a “ government given law “ , not god given at all ? Surely an amendment can be made to an original amendment, that is proving to be VERY detrimental to society . To allow ordinary “crazy “ civilians like myself , to own , carry and use an assault rifle in urban areas is just bizarre , and causing many innocent civilian murders . Not smart Hiding behind God , to justify it I don’t get it st all Alvin no the 2nd clearly limits what the gov't can do concerning firearms.... Right. Who wrote the 2nd ? Alvin
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 18:15:34 GMT -5
Joh_16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. You can quote scripture till you're blue in the face. Quoting scripture doesn't prove your point, and it doesn't mean a hill of beans to me. Mat_7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 18:16:51 GMT -5
no the 2nd clearly limits what the gov't can do concerning firearms.... Right. Who wrote the 2nd ? Alvin people that were concerned the gov't would get out of control....
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Post by joanna on Jan 26, 2020 18:22:19 GMT -5
AnnanIt is constant - on every thread there is evidence of the lack of intervention by the Christian god and the paltry and unsuccessful attempts by Christians - whether 2x2; mainstream; evangelical or book club varieties, to try and explain why their God is ineffective, and the more they post, the more obvious his absence is. If the Christian God existed - prayer would work and it doesn't. If the Christian God existed - little children within religious organisations would not be victims of sexual abuse If the Christian God existed - Christians would be united in their belief as his intervention would negate the contradictory biblical interpretations which lead to discord and antagonism amongst those who claim to believe in the same god. There would be harmony amongst Christians instead of deliberate attempts to expose other Christians by Christians who claim to believe in " Judge not, that Ye be not judged" If the Christian God existed - there would be signs of his presence. It would be obvious as those who believe in him would have tangible evidence. Yet there is nothing definitive which proves who is a Christian and who is an unbeliever other than the Christian's declaration that they believe. If the Christian God existed - the bible would not contain inconsistencies and be the source of Ultimate Confusion and Contradictory Concepts that it is. If the Christian God existed - geography would not be the predominant determinant of Christianity If the Christian God existed - the bible would have contained scientific facts as the alleged Creator would have the facts right. Yet it is the opposite. Those who have held a literal interpretation, and have at least some respect for science, have had to adopt a metaphorical approach to what they once accepted as "the Truth". Honesty is antithetical to the Christian belief. If the Christian God existed - suffering would not. The bible claims that God is benevolent; omnipresent; omnipotent; omniscient - and he cannot be all those in the presence of suffering. If the Christian God existed - the functions of the human brain - which he allegedly created - would not need to be curtailed in order to believe in the supernatural dimension. Optimal cerebral functions would be congruent with an ability to conform to the Christian belief. Instead, we have to suppress our potential for critical inquiry and rationality in order to accept 'His Word'. There are sure to be more "If the Christian God existed......" to add to the list.
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Post by slowtosee on Jan 26, 2020 18:24:29 GMT -5
Surely , a government that promotes and protects the use of lethal military weapons on its own innocent citizens , is totally out of control , and the amendments allowing it to happen , should again , be amended imo Alvin
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Post by nathan on Jan 26, 2020 18:25:17 GMT -5
But I am laughing AT you, didn't you see me? But you thought YOU were funny too. Maybe...
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Post by nathan on Jan 26, 2020 18:27:17 GMT -5
well if you have health insurance if you go to the doctor you may head off an illness and with auto insurance you are heading off a lawsuit instead of trusting God to protect you...i could go on and on with other things too that protect us but why i've made a very good point.... But if your god did his job and protected you, you would have no need for insurance. Seems your god isn't good for much other than threatening people with punishment for not doing what he wants. Our God wants to create JOBS for millions of insurance people and companies so, they can feed their families.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 26, 2020 18:27:20 GMT -5
But you thought YOU were funny too. Maybe...Too bad.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 26, 2020 18:28:32 GMT -5
But if your god did his job and protected you, you would have no need for insurance. Seems your god isn't good for much other than threatening people with punishment for not doing what he wants. Our God wants to create JOBS for millions of insurance people and companies so, they can feed their families.Then he should have built that into their genetic proclivities.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 18:28:50 GMT -5
Surely , a government that promotes and protects the use of lethal military weapons on its own innocent citizens , is totally out of control , and the amendments allowing it to happen , should again , be amended imo Alvin semi-autos are not "military weapons"....
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Post by slowtosee on Jan 26, 2020 18:28:59 GMT -5
AnnanIt is constant - on every thread we see the lack of intervention by the Christian god and the paltry and unsuccessful attempts by Christians - whether 2x2; mainstream; evangelical or book club varieties, to try and explain why their God is ineffective and the more they post the more obvious his absence is. If the Christian God existed - prayer would work and it doesn't. If the Christian God existed - little children within religious organisations would not be victims of sexual abuse If the Christian God existed - Christians would be united in their belief as his intervention would negate the contradictory biblical interpretations which lead to discord and antagonism amongst those who claim to believe in the same god. There would be harmony amongst Christians instead of deliberate attempts to expose other Christians by Christians who claim to believe in " Judge not, that Ye be not judged" If the Christian God existed - there would be signs of his presence. It would be obvious as those who believe in him would have tangible evidence. Yet there is nothing definitive which proves who is a Christian and who is an unbeliever other than the Christian's declaration that they believe. If the Christian God existed - the bible would not contain inconsistencies and be the source of Ultimate Confusion and Contradictory Concepts If the Christian God existed - geography would not be the predominant determinant of Christianity If the Christian God existed - the bible would have contained scientific facts as the alleged Creator would have the facts right. Yet it is the opposite. Those who have held a literal interpretation and have at least some respect for science have had to adopt a metaphorical approach to what they once accepted as "the Truth". Honesty is antithetical to the Christian belief. If the Christian God existed - suffering would not. The bible claims that God is benevolent; omnipresent; omnipotent; omniscient - and he cannot be all those in the presence of suffering. If the Christian God existed - the functions of the human brain - which he allegedly created - would not need to be curtailed in order to believe in the supernatural dimension. Optimal cerebral functions would be congruent with an ability to conform to the Christian belief. Instead, we have to suppress our potential for critical inquiry and rationality in order to accept 'His Word'. There are sure to be more "If the Christian God existed......" to add to the list. Not unusual questions , at all , and with no satisfactory answers available to us humans , we will have to struggle forward like the billions before us , with the same questions , coming to various conclusions about God . Alvin
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Post by nathan on Jan 26, 2020 18:29:00 GMT -5
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Post by nathan on Jan 26, 2020 18:30:51 GMT -5
Our God wants to create JOBS for millions of insurance people and companies so, they can feed their families. Then he should have built that into their genetic proclivities. Are you a student of Lee now? what is proclivities... Keep it simple so your students know what you are lecturing or trying to teach them. How can they understand you if you speak words they don't know.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 26, 2020 18:33:51 GMT -5
Then he should have built that into their genetic proclivities. Are you a student of Lee now? what is proclivities... Keep it simple so your students know what you are lecturing or trying to teach them. How can they understand you if you speak words they don't know.Proclivities are bird-like toenails that keep growing so hard and fast that whoever has them must continuously keep clawing for food that it keeps them from scratching themselves to death while lazing about doing nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 18:36:03 GMT -5
Are you a student of Lee now? what is proclivities... Keep it simple so your students know what you are lecturing or trying to teach them. How can they understand you if you speak words they don't know. Proclivities are bird-like toenails that keep growing so hard and fast that whoever has them must continuously keep clawing for food that it keeps them from scratching themselves to death while lazing about doing nothing. he's messing with you nathan Proclivities are tendencies....
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Post by slowtosee on Jan 26, 2020 18:37:09 GMT -5
Surely , a government that promotes and protects the use of lethal military weapons on its own innocent citizens , is totally out of control , and the amendments allowing it to happen , should again , be amended imo Alvin semi-autos are not "military weapons".... “Assault weapons “ , military style weapons are legal for citizens . How can that be good or necassary for a society ? Alvin
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 26, 2020 18:41:09 GMT -5
So basically what you're saying is that your God doesn't protect you any more than non believers in him? It sounds as though there is no difference between the protection of an nonbeliever and a believer. Roll of the dice of whether you are in the wrong place at the right time. It's the same with prayer. Sometimes you get what you ask for and sometimes you don't with the odds being no different from someone like me. I really fail to understand how you can think this god is so helpful and loving when your odds of being killed, or healed etc. is no different from mine? did God not protect the jews? and yet they had swords for defense.... Their defense involved wild animals as much as humans though. Also their swords were used for many things beside protection.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 18:41:46 GMT -5
semi-autos are not "military weapons".... “Assault weapons “ , military style weapons are legal for citizens . How can that be good or necassary for a society ? Alvin they are not assault weapons either...and a citizenry should have access to weapons that are effective against evil gov't troops...take whats happening around the world to "unarmed or inadequately armed" citizens....
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