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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 3:19:15 GMT -5
i don't believe i said that.... You didn't have to say it. Why can't a girl pee on the ground too. Peeing, I believe, is NOT a parallel activity to breast feeding, or feeding of any kind. as i said to dmmichgood BOTH are natural acts hence the comparison...
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Post by ellie on Jan 24, 2020 3:20:34 GMT -5
The problem, Wally, is largely in the "cleanup" part of your comparison. why if you urinate on the ground it gets absorbed, nothing to clean up... Nope, it stinks! I have no problem with people peeing out in nature where the population density is low as the smell is not so noticeable. But, I do take issue with the acrid smell of urine on a footpath and certain grassed locations in parks although I have no idea if it got than by man or woman. Cat urine, however I can pick. I'd be all for the prohibition of cats urinating in public locations!
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Post by ellie on Jan 24, 2020 3:23:58 GMT -5
You didn't have to say it. Why can't a girl pee on the ground too. Peeing, I believe, is NOT a parallel activity to breast feeding, or feeding of any kind. as i said to dmmichgood BOTH are natural acts hence the comparison... They are not comparable as one leaves a stinky waste product behind.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 24, 2020 3:28:30 GMT -5
You didn't have to say it. Why can't a girl pee on the ground too. Peeing, I believe, is NOT a parallel activity to breast feeding, or feeding of any kind. as i said to dmmichgood BOTH are natural acts hence the comparison... Sure. They're both natural acts. But not all natural acts are treated the same. I'm sure you don't wipe your butt with, say, your dish cloth -- do you?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 24, 2020 4:10:08 GMT -5
Men can't control their urges... Or as Jet said, they shouldn't have to. So the bottom line is that woman are the source and cause of sin. Unfreaking real. I am constantly amused at how so many of these wonderfully macho men are afflicted with so much "elective" lack of self control.
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Post by jetmech on Jan 24, 2020 6:14:54 GMT -5
No. I can control myself, but why should I have to go around like that? I shouldn't have to control myself ... nursing mothers should not be bringing this private activity into the focus area of the public and making a nuisance of themselves. What makes it a private activity? How do you feel about a mother providing food for a child with a bottle? I have a feeling it is not the feeding but the delivery system. A serious question - How do you feel about art museums? Should there be an age limit? What should be done with, for example, Rembrandt's Bathsheba at Her Bath or Velazquez's Rokeby Venus? Banned from view? Art museums? I'd use common sense on this. I think I'd keep my children away from them until they're older. Why put something in their minds to stress them? That's just my personal feelings about it. If you want to expose your little children to this that's your right.
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Post by Annan on Jan 24, 2020 8:42:05 GMT -5
What I object to is when a man is talking to a woman that he can't keep his eyes off her breasts. Obviously a one-track mind. I don't stare at a man's crotch when talking to him. Men need to stop viewing women as sex objects. Fantasize much? for someone who is a believer in evilution i'm surprised you shrug off mans primal instincts. according to your belief man has for at least 250k years been this way but since you object you expect the species to conform to your way of thinking... You little jabs are rather amusing, Wally. Does not your mythology think the same way I do? It's called living in society.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 9:00:03 GMT -5
I have a question for all you interested in evil and harm to others.
I stood up to the workers about abuse of children in my meeting.
Not one worker, 2x2, family or ex 2x2 stood up for me or my family.
So my question to all you is what have you done for others who are being harmed???
Not one of you on this present board have ever ask me where this happened or if you could help!!!
These were 4 abused and neglected children who no one was standing up for.
So do not preach to me about evil. I have witnessed it and tried to do something about it. For my trouble I have been ostracized by workers, 2x2, family and ex 2x2.
So please do not PREACH at me.
I have as much right to express my views as all of you.
I have not hid from it or pretended it was no happening.
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Post by rational on Jan 24, 2020 11:16:19 GMT -5
What makes it a private activity? How do you feel about a mother providing food for a child with a bottle? I have a feeling it is not the feeding but the delivery system. A serious question - How do you feel about art museums? Should there be an age limit? What should be done with, for example, Rembrandt's Bathsheba at Her Bath or Velazquez's Rokeby Venus? Banned from view? Art museums? I'd use common sense on this. I think I'd keep my children away from them until they're older. Why put something in their minds to stress them? That's just my personal feelings about it. If you want to expose your little children to this that's your right. exposing young children to human bodies is problematic? Why would it cause stress? Perhaps there is a need to dissociate nudity from sensuality/sexuality.
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Post by slowtosee on Jan 24, 2020 12:25:33 GMT -5
apnews.com/84e815788bcd63f02811022d934523f8 Women charged with breaking the law going topless in their own homes and be listed as a sex offender for 10 years . Hmmm Alvin Judge Kara Pettit sided with prosecutors who argued that lewdness is commonly understood to include women’s breasts in American society, the Salt Lake Tribune reported. Judges should not second-guess what lawmakers have decided is lewd conduct, she wrote. It wasn’t immediately clear whether Tilli Buchanan would appeal the ruling. If she does not, her misdemeanor charges would move toward trial. If convicted, she could face jail time and be forced to register as a sex offender for 10 years.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 24, 2020 13:43:12 GMT -5
What makes it a private activity? How do you feel about a mother providing food for a child with a bottle? I have a feeling it is not the feeding but the delivery system. A serious question - How do you feel about art museums? Should there be an age limit? What should be done with, for example, Rembrandt's Bathsheba at Her Bath or Velazquez's Rokeby Venus? Banned from view? Art museums? I'd use common sense on this. I think I'd keep my children away from them until they're older. Why put something in their minds to stress them? That's just my personal feelings about it. If you want to expose your little children to this that's your right. Their minds wouldn't be "stressed" unless YOUR mind was "stressed!"
We "exposed" our 'little children" to the arts museums, music, literature very early in life because WE really enjoyed the arts ourselves!
One of my sons sold just one his paintings not long ago for $4,500.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 24, 2020 14:02:23 GMT -5
I have a question for all you interested in evil and harm to others. I stood up to the workers about abuse of children in my meeting. Not one worker, 2x2, family or ex 2x2 stood up for me or my family. So my question to all you is what have you done for others who are being harmed??? Not one of you on this present board have ever ask me where this happened or if you could help!!! These were 4 abused and neglected children who no one was standing up for. So do not preach to me about evil. I have witnessed it and tried to do something about it. For my trouble I have been ostracized by workers, 2x2, family and ex 2x2. So please do not PREACH at me. I have as much right to express my views as all of you. I have not hid from it or pretended it was no happening. I am sorry that those children were abused and that you yourself have also been abused for standing up for them. Yes, we do care.
There is something here called "wings" that others here could direct you to.
If the abuse is still happening a the present I say take it directly to law authorities and child welfare services.
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Post by snow on Jan 24, 2020 15:01:45 GMT -5
What a horrible thought -- that she might just breast feed her baby ANYWHERE, poor baby. then i don't want to hear any complaints if a man whips it out and urinates in public. its a perfectly natural thing to do right? Hey saw a guy at the store parking lot the other day doing just that! What ever. But I see the difference between the two as a sanitation issue. Peeing where ever you like is not sanitary. Feeding a baby breast milk which is as good as it gets is sanitary. Killing is also natural, especially among the male species, but is it the right thing to do just because it's natural? If it's harmful, yet it's wrong even though it's natural. In no way is breastfeeding a baby in public causing any harm. We have evolved to be able to control our more primal urges. Some have evolved more than others I guess.
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Post by snow on Jan 24, 2020 15:08:18 GMT -5
Art museums? I'd use common sense on this. I think I'd keep my children away from them until they're older. Why put something in their minds to stress them? That's just my personal feelings about it. If you want to expose your little children to this that's your right. exposing young children to human bodies is problematic? Why would it cause stress? Perhaps there is a need to dissociate nudity from sensuality/sexuality. I have always thought that concept interesting. My sisters would freak out if their kids were watching someone kissing on TV but when I fight broke out or violence it was business as usual. Sex and nudity seem to be far worse for kids to see than violence of any kind. Their video games were pretty violent but they were told to turn their heads when we were watching TV one night with the kids and a couple embraced and kissed.
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Post by jetmech on Jan 24, 2020 16:54:31 GMT -5
Art museums? I'd use common sense on this. I think I'd keep my children away from them until they're older. Why put something in their minds to stress them? That's just my personal feelings about it. If you want to expose your little children to this that's your right. exposing young children to human bodies is problematic? Why would it cause stress? Perhaps there is a need to dissociate nudity from sensuality/sexuality. Well Rational I'll tell you ... and this is just my humble opinion. First of all, one of the chief arguments I've read about in cases where step fathers, step mothers, teachers, and other adults, have had sex with minors is that they " ... violated these 'children' (minors), and exposed them to sex before they were at an age to be able to handle it..." In my opinion, exposing young children to naked sculptures, nude paintings, etc., borders on being similar to exposing 'children' to sex before they're ready to handle it. Depending of course on their age. I'm no expert on this subject of course; but, again being the patriarch of my family I'd be inclined to protect mycy early aged children from this type of art until they were maybe in their late teens .... by which time then they're going to find out anyways ... totally on their own and at the rate they're ready for. These type of things tend to work themselves out when left alone and as way turns into way.
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Post by Annan on Jan 24, 2020 17:17:47 GMT -5
First of all, one of the chief arguments I've read about in cases where step fathers, step mothers, teachers, and other adults, have had sex with minors is that they " ... violated these 'children' (minors), and exposed them to sex before they were at an age to be able to handle it..." At what age would a child be able to handle sex? Teens have sex. That's doesn't make them able to handle the consequences. It most certainly doesn't make them old enough to be sexually abused. In my opinion, exposing young children to naked sculptures, nude paintings, etc., borders on being similar to exposing 'children' to sex before they're ready to handle it. Depending of course on their age. I fail to see what nudity has to do with sex. When nudity becomes taboo, then it becomes evil/sinful. Sex and nudity (and breastfeeding) seem to be a Christian issue. Who didn't squirrel away a National Geographic magazine? I'm no expert on this subject of course; but, again being the patriarch of my family I'd be inclined to protect mycy early aged children from this type of art until they were maybe in their late teens .... by which time then they're going to find out anyways ... totally on their own and at the rate they're ready for. These type of things tend to work themselves out when left alone and as way turns into way. Really? Making certain things taboo is a good way to pip a kid's interest! I've seen little girls in dresses exposing their undies. I've seen their insane mothers flip out on these same kids like the kids were floozies, when it was the mothers who had deviate sex issues. Kids learn by example. Teach them respect for their bodies and they will do well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 19:11:39 GMT -5
for someone who is a believer in evilution i'm surprised you shrug off mans primal instincts. according to your belief man has for at least 250k years been this way but since you object you expect the species to conform to your way of thinking... You little jabs are rather amusing, Wally. Does not your mythology think the same way I do? It's called living in society. yes but your a naturalist and should be thinking differently on the subject based on your beliefs....
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 24, 2020 19:22:28 GMT -5
You little jabs are rather amusing, Wally. Does not your mythology think the same way I do? It's called living in society. yes but your a naturalist and should be thinking differently on the subject based on your beliefs.... What's wrong with her thinking the way you do? Are you that desperate for someone to disagree with?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 19:27:29 GMT -5
yes but your a naturalist and should be thinking differently on the subject based on your beliefs.... What's wrong with her thinking the way you do? Are you that desperate for someone to disagree with? just as you and your kind find and point out so called contradictions of belief in christianity so have i found one in anaans belief, don't whine about it to me....
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 24, 2020 19:29:25 GMT -5
What's wrong with her thinking the way you do? Are you that desperate for someone to disagree with? just as you and your kind find and point out so called contradictions of belief in christianity so have i found one in anaans belief, don't whine about it to me.... I wasn't whining. I was LMAO.
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Post by Annan on Jan 24, 2020 21:04:37 GMT -5
Does not your mythology think the same way I do? It's called living in society. yes but your a naturalist and should be thinking differently on the subject based on your beliefs.... Living in society is what makes the difference. Time to curb your natural instincts.
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Post by rational on Jan 24, 2020 22:56:39 GMT -5
then i don't want to hear any complaints if a man whips it out and urinates in public. its a perfectly natural thing to do right? Hey saw a guy at the store parking lot the other day doing just that! What ever. But I see the difference between the two as a sanitation issue. Peeing where ever you like is not sanitary. Feeding a baby breast milk which is as good as it gets is sanitary. Killing is also natural, especially among the male species, but is it the right thing to do just because it's natural? If it's harmful, yet it's wrong even though it's natural. In no way is breastfeeding a baby in public causing any harm. We have evolved to be able to control our more primal urges. Some have evolved more than others I guess. Let's not be too hard on the males and their killing. During mating, the female praying mantis bites the head off the male then eats his body. Very different from smoking after sex...
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Post by rational on Jan 25, 2020 0:01:46 GMT -5
exposing young children to human bodies is problematic? Why would it cause stress? Perhaps there is a need to dissociate nudity from sensuality/sexuality. Well Rational I'll tell you ... and this is just my humble opinion. First of all, one of the chief arguments I've read about in cases where step fathers, step mothers, teachers, and other adults, have had sex with minors is that they " ... violated these 'children' (minors), and exposed them to sex before they were at an age to be able to handle it..." What you are claiming is like rapists saying that the the victim was 'asking for it' by wearing a certain type of clothes. i I did not advocate exposing children to sex. As I said, there is a need to dissociate nudity from sensuality/sexuality. Nude figures do not equal sex any more than seeing naked dogs equal sex. Have you spent time among groups of children? Will you just ignore puberty? And STDs? Late teens is when teenage pregnancy happens. You can hide your head in the sand but healthy teens are not so easily placated. No, they very often do not work themselves out. No clear sex education leaves it up to the children to discover the facts for themselves. It results in people thinking a woman feeding her child in public is somehow a sex object. People equating a painting containing a nude figure to sex. It appears that you are not all that comfortable with nudity or sex. What do you tell your children when they ask about where they came from? Educating children younger provides better long term results.
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Post by snow on Jan 25, 2020 13:41:05 GMT -5
exposing young children to human bodies is problematic? Why would it cause stress? Perhaps there is a need to dissociate nudity from sensuality/sexuality. Well Rational I'll tell you ... and this is just my humble opinion. First of all, one of the chief arguments I've read about in cases where step fathers, step mothers, teachers, and other adults, have had sex with minors is that they " ... violated these 'children' (minors), and exposed them to sex before they were at an age to be able to handle it..." In my opinion, exposing young children to naked sculptures, nude paintings, etc., borders on being similar to exposing 'children' to sex before they're ready to handle it. Depending of course on their age. I'm no expert on this subject of course; but, again being the patriarch of my family I'd be inclined to protect mycy early aged children from this type of art until they were maybe in their late teens .... by which time then they're going to find out anyways ... totally on their own and at the rate they're ready for. These type of things tend to work themselves out when left alone and as way turns into way. The thing is this. Children that have never been taught that nudity is bad don't seem to be upset about it at all. It's quite natural and why wouldn't it be? It's children that have been taught from as soon as they could touch themselves that sexuality and nudity is somehow 'dirty' that would be the ones that might be 'harmed'. I tend to agree in our society because of our taboo against nudity and the fact we teach our young our hang ups, that changing the norms for some children may be harmful, but only because of what they have already been programmed to believe about it. Children that have never been told it's unnatural or dirty seem to pretty much ignore it and just view it as normal and natural, which of course it is if we don't teach them otherwise.
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Post by snow on Jan 25, 2020 13:44:56 GMT -5
Hey saw a guy at the store parking lot the other day doing just that! What ever. But I see the difference between the two as a sanitation issue. Peeing where ever you like is not sanitary. Feeding a baby breast milk which is as good as it gets is sanitary. Killing is also natural, especially among the male species, but is it the right thing to do just because it's natural? If it's harmful, yet it's wrong even though it's natural. In no way is breastfeeding a baby in public causing any harm. We have evolved to be able to control our more primal urges. Some have evolved more than others I guess. Let's not be too hard on the males and their killing. During mating, the female praying mantis bites the head off the male then eats his body. Very different from smoking after sex... LOL very true. The Black Widow and Redback Spiders also eat the smaller male. Hence the label Widow likely ha!
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