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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 17, 2020 17:52:00 GMT -5
A good shower with plenty of antiseptic soap will help. *** Showers with whatever you say is useless. Curly, crapy is like nuclear waste/Radioactive and deadly. Keep us updated on your condition.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 17, 2020 17:52:50 GMT -5
Do you suppose he talked like that with his companions when he was in the work? Fortunately I never knew Nathan when he was in the work. I reckon if he had made comments like that or his favourite "You Don't understand" he would have been awarded the DCM quite quickly.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 17, 2020 18:01:21 GMT -5
Do you suppose he talked like that with his companions when he was in the work? Fortunately I never knew Nathan when he was in the work. I reckon if he had made comments like that or his favourite "You Don't understand" he would have been awarded the DCM quite quickly. Apparently he only got his own understanding after he left the work. I'm sure he still doesn't tell the workers that they don't understand.
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Post by mco27 on Jan 17, 2020 18:15:58 GMT -5
Thanks James for the photo. That goes on the refrigerator for sure. NO, it should be framed and stuck in the throne room. It is also very important to print it on the right kind of paper, that stuff that comes in two or three ply and with perforations every 100mm or so would be perfect. That way those dudes could actually be of some use. I would leave it on the refrigerator , next to the Santa Claus xmast card
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 17, 2020 19:18:33 GMT -5
NO, it should be framed and stuck in the throne room. It is also very important to print it on the right kind of paper, that stuff that comes in two or three ply and with perforations every 100mm or so would be perfect. That way those dudes could actually be of some use. I would leave it on the refrigerator , next to the Santa Claus xmast card Lol!
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Post by joanna on Jan 17, 2020 19:22:21 GMT -5
To the Christians representing all groups/sects, Why does your God allow children to be sexually abused? Have you considered that teachings of the bible may fuel certain individuals to commit CSA? The bible contains many accounts of a disregard for the lives of vulnerable beings including babies and childrenThe Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse findings included this claim "....we heard more allegations of child sexual abuse in relation to institutions managed by religious organisations than any other management type" No religious institution seems to be free of CSA. It is vital that these institutions/churches adopt protocols and procedures to prevent this heinous crime. However the fundamental contributors should not be ignored yet those of you who follow the bible continue to avoid the 'elephant in the room'. The Child's Song: The Religious Abuse of Children addresses the fundamental biblical contributors to CSA. The author researches the biblical messages which support subordination; control and abuse of children. This includes that Jesus (the Son) is the sacrificial victim for his Father and the author considers "the sacrificial concept as a theological rationale for the suffering of children at the hands of adults" The Christian belief also emphasises: - authority and hierarchy and to respect elders and parents without question; - the innocence of the child; - encouraging the child to trust in something which is unevidenced and unseen; All who revere the bible as a guide for life are perpetuating harmful subliminal messages. It is clear that those of you who continue to evoke the Christian message whilst concurrently aiming to advocate for the child victims of CSA, have not identified the real issues that fuel CSA and emanate from Christianity. It is possible that you are unable to identify these issues due to the efficacy of religious indoctrination. The key is to start with even a small dose of skepticism, this will motivate you to see and comprehend the Christian belief in a new and informed way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 19:43:33 GMT -5
To the Christians representing all groups/sects, Why does your God allow children to be sexually abused? Have you considered that teachings of the bible may fuel certain individuals to commit CSA? The bible contains many accounts of a disregard for the lives of vulnerable beings including babies and childrenThe Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse findings included this claim "....we heard more allegations of child sexual abuse in relation to institutions managed by religious organisations than any other management type" No religious institution seems to be free of CSA. It is vital that these institutions/churches adopt protocols and procedures to prevent this heinous crime. However the fundamental contributors should not be ignored yet those of you who follow the bible continue to avoid the 'elephant in the room'. The Child's Song: The Religious Abuse of Children addresses the fundamental biblical contributors to CSA. The author researches the biblical messages which support subordination; control and abuse of children. This includes that Jesus (the Son) is the sacrificial victim for his Father and the author considers "the sacrificial concept as a theological rationale for the suffering of children at the hands of adults" The Christian belief also emphasises: - authority and hierarchy and to respect elders and parents without question; - the innocence of the child; - encouraging the child to trust in something which is unevidenced and unseen; All who revere the bible as a guide for life are perpetuating harmful subliminal messages. It is clear that those of you who continue to evoke the Christian message whilst concurrently aiming to advocate for the child victims of CSA, have not identified the real issues that fuel CSA and emanate from Christianity. It is possible that you are unable to identify these issues due to the efficacy of religious indoctrination. The key is to start with even a small dose of skepticism, this will motivate you to see and comprehend the Christian belief in a new and informed way. no human can answer that to anyones satisfaction...but i say the purest gold comes from the hottest fire...and i'll go to the grave believing that....
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Post by joanna on Jan 17, 2020 19:45:44 GMT -5
@wally . You are being cremated Wally? Of course a human can answer that as no other entity will!
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Post by nathan on Jan 17, 2020 20:25:35 GMT -5
*** Showers with whatever you say is useless. Curly, crapy is like nuclear waste/Radioactive and deadly. Keep us updated on your condition. I do a check up myself, everyday/ I see my doctor every 3 months... since I have been posting on TMB for the last 20 yrs.
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Post by nathan on Jan 17, 2020 20:38:34 GMT -5
Fortunately I never knew Nathan when he was in the work. I reckon if he had made comments like that or his favourite "You Don't understand" he would have been awarded the DCM quite quickly. Apparently he only got his own understanding after he left the work. I'm sure he still doesn't tell the workers that they don't understand. I tell them in my Sunday morning meetings, Wed. night Bible studies in a nice way so I don't want to offend them "You don't understand." I explain more "What they don't Understand" on TMB, the 2x2s believe Jesus is the Son of God, but he is NOT God. However, The 2x2s worship Jesus on every Sunday morning meetings with singing, praises, and expressing to Him thanksgiving for the Emblems/Bread and wine and put Him on the same LEVEL as God the Father and Holy Spirit form of Worship/Adoration...
If Jesus is NOT God like unto the Father then why, they worship Him on the same level as God the Father?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 17, 2020 20:39:34 GMT -5
Keep us updated on your condition. I do a check up myself, everyday/ I see my doctor every 3 months... since I have been posting on TMB for the last 20 yrs. Why don't you pray about your medical issues instead of going to the doctor?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 20:45:25 GMT -5
I can say, in my time, We considered the Sunday morning meeting a ‘fellowship meeting’ and the emblems were a part of it. One did not go on about it as you do Nathan. Would be good if you ceased speaking for everyone else. You talk like a parrot on speed.
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Post by nathan on Jan 17, 2020 21:14:13 GMT -5
I do a check up myself, everyday/ I see my doctor every 3 months... since I have been posting on TMB for the last 20 yrs. Why don't you pray about your medical issues instead of going to the doctor? I did in the past then God reveals this to me. God gives humans special gifts to become doctors, nurses to help their fellows men/women, He wants us to go to them for help. If God wants to prolong my life, He will heal me. I am a diabetic, I take 3 pills during the day and my wife was a doctor so, she gives me insulant shot at night.
God gives me, my own private doctor, a Vietnamese chef and a wonderful wife who cares for me the last 36 yrs. Our God is awesome! and He cares about His children.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 17, 2020 21:14:28 GMT -5
I can say, in my time, We considered the Sunday morning meeting a ‘fellowship meeting’ and the emblems were a part of it. One did not go on about it as you do Nathan. Would be good if you ceased speaking for everyone else. You talk like a parrot on speed. I have never seen a parrot as wacky as Nathan. Aotearoa has some cool parrots. www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-unique-parrots-of-new-zealand.html
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Post by Grant on Jan 17, 2020 23:24:05 GMT -5
Apparently he only got his own understanding after he left the work. I'm sure he still doesn't tell the workers that they don't understand. I tell them in my Sunday morning meetings, Wed. night Bible studies in a nice way so I don't want to offend them "You don't understand." I explain more "What they don't Understand" on TMB, the 2x2s believe Jesus is the Son of God, but he is NOT God. However, The 2x2s worship Jesus on every Sunday morning meetings with singing, praises, and expressing to Him thanksgiving for the Emblems/Bread and wine and put Him on the same LEVEL as God the Father and Holy Spirit form of Worship/Adoration...
If Jesus is NOT God like unto the Father then why, they worship Him on the same level as God the Father?
Because they don't worship Jesus on the same level as the Father.
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Post by nathan on Jan 17, 2020 23:30:43 GMT -5
I tell them in my Sunday morning meetings, Wed. night Bible studies in a nice way so I don't want to offend them "You don't understand." I explain more "What they don't Understand" on TMB, the 2x2s believe Jesus is the Son of God, but he is NOT God. However, The 2x2s worship Jesus on every Sunday morning meetings with singing, praises, and expressing to Him thanksgiving for the Emblems/Bread and wine and put Him on the same LEVEL as God the Father and Holy Spirit form of Worship/Adoration...
If Jesus is NOT God like unto the Father then why, they worship Him on the same level as God the Father?
Because they don't worship Jesus on the same level as the Father. The 2x2 don't, ARE you serious? They all bow their heads, pray God the Father through Jesus/His name. They give thanks for his life, death/sacrifice for their sins. ONLY God can forgive sins, you know that, right! Jesus death/blood forgive our sins.
Do you see Mary the mother of Jesus mention in the 2x2 Sunday morning meeting? Do you hear they pray to MARY Why, NOT because she is NOT on the SAME level of the Godhead= Father, Christ, and Holy Spirit.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 18, 2020 0:03:04 GMT -5
To the Christians representing all groups/sects, Why does your God allow children to be sexually abused? Have you considered that teachings of the bible may fuel certain individuals to commit CSA? The bible contains many accounts of a disregard for the lives of vulnerable beings including babies and childrenThe Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse findings included this claim "....we heard more allegations of child sexual abuse in relation to institutions managed by religious organisations than any other management type" No religious institution seems to be free of CSA. It is vital that these institutions/churches adopt protocols and procedures to prevent this heinous crime. However the fundamental contributors should not be ignored yet those of you who follow the bible continue to avoid the 'elephant in the room'. The Child's Song: The Religious Abuse of Children addresses the fundamental biblical contributors to CSA. The author researches the biblical messages which support subordination; control and abuse of children. This includes that Jesus (the Son) is the sacrificial victim for his Father and the author considers "the sacrificial concept as a theological rationale for the suffering of children at the hands of adults" The Christian belief also emphasises: - authority and hierarchy and to respect elders and parents without question; - the innocence of the child; - encouraging the child to trust in something which is unevidenced and unseen; All who revere the bible as a guide for life are perpetuating harmful subliminal messages. It is clear that those of you who continue to evoke the Christian message whilst concurrently aiming to advocate for the child victims of CSA, have not identified the real issues that fuel CSA and emanate from Christianity. It is possible that you are unable to identify these issues due to the efficacy of religious indoctrination. The key is to start with even a small dose of skepticism, this will motivate you to see and comprehend the Christian belief in a new and informed way. no human can answer that to anyones satisfaction...but i say the purest gold comes from the hottest fire...and i'll go to the grave believing that.... Wally, what in the hell does your answer have anything to do with the religious abuse of children & how Christian beliefs contribute to it as in Joanna's post?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 0:05:33 GMT -5
no human can answer that to anyones satisfaction...but i say the purest gold comes from the hottest fire...and i'll go to the grave believing that.... Wally, what in the hell does your answer have anything to do with the religious abuse of children & how Christian beliefs contribute to it as in Joanna's post?
well if you had been paying attention you would see she asked a question...i answered it...i'll let you figure out what question it was she asked....
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 18, 2020 0:11:34 GMT -5
Wally, what in the hell does your answer have anything to do with the religious abuse of children & how Christian beliefs contribute to it as in Joanna's post?
well if you had been paying attention you would see she asked a question...i answered it...i'll let you figure out what question it was she asked.... Right!
I am aware that you really haven't any answers for most of what you believe.
I understand.
I was in the same place once myself until I began to question the legitimacy of such automatic answers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 0:13:34 GMT -5
well if you had been paying attention you would see she asked a question...i answered it...i'll let you figure out what question it was she asked.... Right!
I am aware that you really haven't any answers for most of what you believe.
I understand.
I was in the same place once myself until I began to question the legitimacy of such automatic answers.thats a typical response from one who is blind keep up the good work....
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 18, 2020 0:28:12 GMT -5
Right!
I am aware that you really haven't any answers for most of what you believe.
I understand.
I was in the same place once myself until I began to question the legitimacy of such automatic answers. thats a typical response from one who is blind keep up the good work.... Well, wally, -at least I became aware that I was just blindingly following concepts by those who had no idea of whether they were true or not.
When actually their beliefs were just made by mankind in order to fill in gaps for what they DIDN'T know.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 0:33:58 GMT -5
thats a typical response from one who is blind keep up the good work.... Well, wally, -at least I became aware that I was just blindingly following concepts by those who had no idea of whether they were true or not.
When actually their beliefs were just made by mankind in order to fill in gaps for what they DIDN'T know.actually you ended up listening to a still small voice that wasn't God then what ever it was that turned you off of the truth sealed the deal so we now have the atheist known as dmmichgood....just sayin'
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 18, 2020 0:41:04 GMT -5
Well, wally, -at least I became aware that I was just blindingly following concepts by those who had no idea of whether they were true or not.
When actually their beliefs were just made by mankind in order to fill in gaps for what they DIDN'T know. actually you ended up listening to a still small voice that wasn't God then what ever it was that turned you off of the truth sealed the deal so we now have the atheist known as dmmichgood....just sayin' Sorry, wally.
Sorry, that you can't understand.
Wish that you could but realize how difficult it might be for you.
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Post by joanna on Jan 18, 2020 1:04:05 GMT -5
@wally .
That 'still small voice' sure doesn't help the child victims of CSA or have any practical impact does it Wally.
But at least you engage in discussions on this level (even if that still small voice fails to provide you with rational answers to our questions) whereas many of the others who uphold the Christian belief just want to post what they will and repeatedly avoid addressing important theological deficits even when relevant to the topic they have posted.
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Post by slowtosee on Jan 18, 2020 1:11:15 GMT -5
To the Christians representing all groups/sects, Why does your God allow children to be sexually abused? Have you considered that teachings of the bible may fuel certain individuals to commit CSA? The bible contains many accounts of a disregard for the lives of vulnerable beings including babies and childrenThe Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse findings included this claim "....we heard more allegations of child sexual abuse in relation to institutions managed by religious organisations than any other management type" No religious institution seems to be free of CSA. It is vital that these institutions/churches adopt protocols and procedures to prevent this heinous crime. However the fundamental contributors should not be ignored yet those of you who follow the bible continue to avoid the 'elephant in the room'. The Child's Song: The Religious Abuse of Children addresses the fundamental biblical contributors to CSA. The author researches the biblical messages which support subordination; control and abuse of children. This includes that Jesus (the Son) is the sacrificial victim for his Father and the author considers "the sacrificial concept as a theological rationale for the suffering of children at the hands of adults" The Christian belief also emphasises: - authority and hierarchy and to respect elders and parents without question; - the innocence of the child; - encouraging the child to trust in something which is unevidenced and unseen; All who revere the bible as a guide for life are perpetuating harmful subliminal messages. It is clear that those of you who continue to evoke the Christian message whilst concurrently aiming to advocate for the child victims of CSA, have not identified the real issues that fuel CSA and emanate from Christianity. It is possible that you are unable to identify these issues due to the efficacy of religious indoctrination. The key is to start with even a small dose of skepticism, this will motivate you to see and comprehend the Christian belief in a new and informed way. Skepticism in all institutions is a good idea , but using the logic that Christians have “not identified the real issues that fuel cshank and emanate from Christianity “ and slinging mud at them , is like stating that teachers in public schools , or police officers or members of Every institution are guilty of the same . Data showing that child abuse in schools or “churches “ or .......is rampant , is not a good argument to eliminate education or religion If data and not just emotions are to be believed , a child would be safer in the “corrupt” Catholic Church institution, than public school institution . Understandable and probably justifiable, though , for anyone who was abused by a person within any particular institution, fot that person to be prejudiced against that institution , and no data or science or facts , will change that emotion . Scientifically ,data shows that emotions wins over facts in us humans , as is evidenced continuously, on this message board . So it is - Amen Alvin www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5159876national charity that tracks sexual abuse and exploitation of children has found the problem of teachers molesting students in Canada isn't going away. According to ongoing research by the Winnipeg-based Canadian Centre for Child Protection, there have been 108 alleged or confirmed reports of sexual abuse in schools in the past 17 months. That's more than one new case every week, similar to the previous 20-year trend. ADVERTISEMENT "If that's not telling that we still have a problem, I don't know what is, because that's hard-fact data," said Noni Classen, the centre's director of education. Of the 108 most recent cases, tracked from Jan. 1, 2018, there have been 36 criminal convictions or disciplinary findings. Many of the remaining cases have yet to make their way through the courts. LISTEN | The Band Played On: A CBC Ottawa investigative podcast Between 1997 and 2017, the centre counted nearly 1,300 alleged or confirmed cases of abuse by a school employee in Canada. Classen said the rate of false claims by students is very low. Researchers collected the data by combing through court records, media reports and the provincial organizations that regulate teachers. www.google.ca/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/do-the-right-thing/201908/top-10-myths-about-clergy-abuse-in-the-catholic-church%3fampother words, there simply is no evidence that Catholic priests sexually abuse children or teens at rates higher than other groups of men, in or outside of religious communities; they may actually abuse at rates lower than the general population of men and of public schoolteachers during similar time periods.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 1:53:47 GMT -5
@wally . That 'still small voice' sure doesn't help the child victims of CSA or have any practical impact does it Wally. But at least you engage in discussions on this level (even if that still small voice fails to provide you with rational answers to our questions) whereas many of the others who uphold the Christian belief just want to post what they will and repeatedly avoid addressing important theological deficits even when relevant to the topic they have posted. we'll never know for sure but i would hazard a guess that many kids have been saved from CSA by people listening to the right still small voice....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 2:29:13 GMT -5
“The human voice can never reach the distance that is covered by the still small voice of conscience.” Mahatma Gandhi
So the still small voice comes from within a person, it is their conscience. It does not come from any other source.
Perhaps that is my problem, my Wife says " I have a brand new conscience, never been used".
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Post by slowtosee on Jan 18, 2020 9:47:33 GMT -5
“The human voice can never reach the distance that is covered by the still small voice of conscience.” Mahatma Gandhi So the still small voice comes from within a person, it is their conscience. It does not come from any other source. Perhaps that is my problem, my Wife says " I have a brand new conscience, never been used". Good points . The “ Evil “within us humans will not be eliminated by participation in or the destruction of “institutions “ , as good or bad as they may be . Another wise philosopher, when talking about similar questions, answered it like this “. when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand: 15There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man. 16If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.” John Prine , has a way of putting it into music . Some people ain’t human. m.youtube.com/watch?v=uIWotODqidEAlvin
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