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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 12, 2020 22:06:46 GMT -5
Then WHO changes the rules? They obviously do change. WHO are you talking about?That's what I asked you. Who changes the rules?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 12, 2020 22:08:23 GMT -5
As you like to say, “this is baloney!” Salvation does not depend on any one or any thing but believing in Jesus Christ. The reason the prophets and Apostles are the foundation is because as Jesus is the Chief cornerstone, so was their message always was JESUS. The prophets prophesied JESUS. The apostles witnessed JESUS. ** After death and judgment day we will find out you and the exes, or the workers and me are the Baloney! Salvation isn’t given by the ministry. The Gospel of Jesus Christ In the Bible, many verses explain what God did through His love for us. Below are several references telling the good news of salvation in Jesus Christ. “The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Romans 6:23). “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved” (John 3:16–17). “God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8). “The kindness and love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior” (Titus 3:4–6). When you believe on Jesus Christ, accepting God’s gift of salvation, you are justified (declared free of the guilt and penalty of sin) before God because of what Jesus has done. God forgives you of all of your sins. Your relationship with God is restored; you become His child. (See I John 3:8–10.) You are redeemed from the bondage to sin and will spend eternity in heaven with God. (See Romans 6:22.)
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 12, 2020 22:13:13 GMT -5
It makes no sense that someone can believe something they don't know yet. That's insane. The current workers and friends believe in God but they don't believe Jesus is God but He is one of the Godhead. See that's NOT insane is it? I just heard recently a couple of ministers to say those that deny the Deity of Jesus have the spirit of antichrist.
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Post by nathan on Jan 12, 2020 22:18:29 GMT -5
WHO are you talking about? That's what I asked you. Who changes the rules? So, I asked you WHO do you have in mind that changes the rules? And what rules did they change it.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 12, 2020 22:26:41 GMT -5
That's what I asked you. Who changes the rules? So, I asked you WHO do you have in mind that changes the rules? And what rules did they change it.It's okay -- you don't have to know who changes the rules.
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Post by nathan on Jan 12, 2020 22:27:24 GMT -5
** After death and judgment day we will find out you and the exes, or the workers and me are the Baloney! Salvation isn’t given by the ministry.
The Gospel of Jesus Christ In the Bible, many verses explain what God did through His love for us. Below are several references telling the good news of salvation in Jesus Christ. “The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Romans 6:23). “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved” (John 3:16–17). “God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8). “The kindness and love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior” (Titus 3:4–6). When you believe on Jesus Christ, accepting God’s gift of salvation, you are justified (declared free of the guilt and penalty of sin) before God because of what Jesus has done. God forgives you of all of your sins. Your relationship with God is restored; you become His child. (See I John 3:8–10.) You are redeemed from the bondage to sin and will spend eternity in heaven with God. (See Romans 6:22.) It seems you have NOT read your Bible lately... Paul an apostle of Jesus Christ wrote in II Cor. 5:18-21 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us/apostles to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us/apostles the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us/apostles: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Jesus said to the 12 and 70 apostles when he sent them out to preach the goodnews, "He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me, receiveth HIM/the Father that sent me. He that hearth you, hearth me, and he that despiseth you, despise HIM/the Father that sent me."
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Post by nathan on Jan 12, 2020 22:28:14 GMT -5
So, I asked you WHO do you have in mind that changes the rules? And what rules did they change it. It's okay -- you don't have to know who changes the rules. No, who did you have in mind that changed the rules and WHAT rules did they changed.
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Post by chuck on Jan 12, 2020 23:38:25 GMT -5
Salvation isn’t given by the ministry.
The Gospel of Jesus Christ In the Bible, many verses explain what God did through His love for us. Below are several references telling the good news of salvation in Jesus Christ. “The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Romans 6:23). “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved” (John 3:16–17). “God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8). “The kindness and love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior” (Titus 3:4–6). When you believe on Jesus Christ, accepting God’s gift of salvation, you are justified (declared free of the guilt and penalty of sin) before God because of what Jesus has done. God forgives you of all of your sins. Your relationship with God is restored; you become His child. (See I John 3:8–10.) You are redeemed from the bondage to sin and will spend eternity in heaven with God. (See Romans 6:22.) It seems you have NOT read your Bible lately... Paul an apostle of Jesus Christ wrote in II Cor. 5:18-21 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us/apostles to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us/apostles the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us/apostles: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Jesus said to the 12 and 70 apostles when he sent them out to preach the goodnews, "He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me, receiveth HIM/the Father that sent me. He that hearth you, hearth me, and he that despiseth you, despise HIM/the Father that sent me."The 70 were not apostles. Stop making stuff up Nathan. Your constantly doing it.
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Post by chuck on Jan 12, 2020 23:41:25 GMT -5
So says Nate: "Jesus gospel message Jesus SAVES and the New Test apostolic ministry and fellowship method is the PLAN God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit PLAN to be continued in every generation" The Bible says the church shall continue ("gates of hell shall not prevail against it)--but it does not instruct or say that God planned for the 2x2 ministry to continue til the end of time, nor that only through the 2x2 ministry can someone be saved. So, What do you think when Jesus said in Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. You Don't think Jesus meant to continue in this way/method, message to ALL nations to the time of His returns again.Here is the GREAT Commission in Matthew 28:16:20 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
We read the apostles began to go forth from Jerusalem to ALL nations Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.Making more stuff up!.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 23:41:49 GMT -5
It seems you have NOT read your Bible lately... Paul an apostle of Jesus Christ wrote in II Cor. 5:18-21 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us/apostles to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us/apostles the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us/apostles: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Jesus said to the 12 and 70 apostles when he sent them out to preach the goodnews, "He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me, receiveth HIM/the Father that sent me. He that hearth you, hearth me, and he that despiseth you, despise HIM/the Father that sent me." The 70 were not apostles. Stop making stuff up Nathan. Your constantly doing it. read your bible more....
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Post by chuck on Jan 12, 2020 23:43:43 GMT -5
The 70 were not apostles. Stop making stuff up Nathan. Your constantly doing it. read your bible more.... Only 12 apostles wally. The workers are only apostles of their overseers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 23:54:52 GMT -5
Only 12 apostles wally. The workers are only apostles of their overseers. it says: appointed other seventy also, also being a key word here meaning in addition to the 12 from the previous chapter 9, he gave them some of the same powers and the same instructions in chapter 10
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Post by nathan on Jan 13, 2020 0:05:00 GMT -5
It seems you have NOT read your Bible lately... Paul an apostle of Jesus Christ wrote in II Cor. 5:18-21 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us/apostles to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us/apostles the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us/apostles: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Jesus said to the 12 and 70 apostles when he sent them out to preach the goodnews, "He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me, receiveth HIM/the Father that sent me. He that hearth you, hearth me, and he that despiseth you, despise HIM/the Father that sent me." The 70 were not apostles. Stop making stuff up Nathan. Your constantly doing it. So, who were the 70? Why, would Jesus sent the 70 on similar mission as the 12 if they were NOT apostles?
Do you think the 12 apostles were enough preachers to go and preach to ALL nations the NEXT 2000 yrs?
Do you think there were ONLY 12 apostles that Jesus sent out, Chuck?
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Post by chuck on Jan 13, 2020 0:07:23 GMT -5
Only 12 apostles wally. The workers are only apostles of their overseers. it says: appointed other seventy also, also being a key word here meaning in addition to the 12 from the previous chapter 9, he gave them some of the same powers and the same instructions in chapter 10 12 apostles, 70 disciples.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 0:08:39 GMT -5
it says: appointed other seventy also, also being a key word here meaning in addition to the 12 from the previous chapter 9, he gave them some of the same powers and the same instructions in chapter 10 12 apostles, 70 disciples. 12 apostles also 70 more....read your bible...
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Post by chuck on Jan 13, 2020 0:08:45 GMT -5
The 70 were not apostles. Stop making stuff up Nathan. Your constantly doing it. So, who were the 70? Why, would Jesus sent the 70 on similar mission as the 12 if they were NOT apostles?
Do you think the 12 apostles were enough preachers to go and preach to ALL nations the NEXT 2000 yrs?
Well I guess you need that story otherwise the 2x2 is a lie. Stop making stuff up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 0:10:27 GMT -5
So, who were the 70? Why, would Jesus sent the 70 on similar mission as the 12 if they were NOT apostles?
Do you think the 12 apostles were enough preachers to go and preach to ALL nations the NEXT 2000 yrs?
Well I guess you need that story otherwise the 2x2 is a lie. Stop making stuff up. those were questions not comments...answer them instead of avoiding them....
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Post by chuck on Jan 13, 2020 0:12:32 GMT -5
12 apostles, 70 disciples. 12 apostles also 70 more....read your bible... Only 12 were designated apostles. Stop making stuff up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 0:13:29 GMT -5
12 apostles also 70 more....read your bible... Only 12 were designated apostles. Stop making stuff up. stop lying JW....
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Post by chuck on Jan 13, 2020 0:13:46 GMT -5
Well I guess you need that story otherwise the 2x2 is a lie. Stop making stuff up. those were questions not comments...answer them instead of avoiding them.... They are from his belief. Like I said, they have to be true otherwise 2x2 is a lie.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 0:15:06 GMT -5
those were questions not comments...answer them instead of avoiding them.... They are from his belief. Like I said, they have to be true otherwise 2x2 is a lie. nice try JW dodger.....
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Post by chuck on Jan 13, 2020 0:15:24 GMT -5
Only 12 were designated apostles. Stop making stuff up. stop lying JW.... One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.When morning came, he called his disciples to him and chose twelve of them, whom he also designated apostles:Simon (whom he named Peter), his brother Andrew, James, John, Philip, Bartholomew,Matthew, Thomas, James son of Alphaeus, Simon who was called the Zealot,Judas son of James, and Judas Iscariot, who became a traitor. - Luke 6:12-16 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke6:12-16&version=NIVShow me where Jesus specifically designated the 70 like the 12?.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 0:17:16 GMT -5
One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.When morning came, he called his disciples to him and chose twelve of them, whom he also designated apostles:Simon (whom he named Peter), his brother Andrew, James, John, Philip, Bartholomew,Matthew, Thomas, James son of Alphaeus, Simon who was called the Zealot,Judas son of James, and Judas Iscariot, who became a traitor. - Luke 6:12-16 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke6:12-16&version=NIVShow me where Jesus specifically designated the 70 like the 12?. when it says also in chapter 10....and the following verses in chapter 10....read your bible....
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 13, 2020 0:17:17 GMT -5
It's okay -- you don't have to know who changes the rules. No, who did you have in mind that changed the rules and WHAT rules did they changed.I didn't have anyone in mind.
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Post by nathan on Jan 13, 2020 0:17:50 GMT -5
So, who were the 70? Why, would Jesus sent the 70 on similar mission as the 12 if they were NOT apostles?
Do you think the 12 apostles were enough preachers to go and preach to ALL nations the NEXT 2000 yrs?
Well I guess you need that story otherwise the 2x2 is a lie. Stop making stuff up. Chuck, the 70 were disciples/followers but Jesus had chosen them to be His apostles/preachers and teachers. Did you know the word apostle means SENT forth just like the 12 in Luke 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
So, Chuck Jesus sent= apostles sent other seventy and Barnabas was one of the 70 that took Paul in the ministry Acts 11:25
Do you believe there were ONLY 12 apostles that Jesus sent out, Chuck?
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Post by nathan on Jan 13, 2020 0:23:35 GMT -5
No, who did you have in mind that changed the rules and WHAT rules did they changed. I didn't have anyone in mind. Why, do you ALWAYS post question that make no sense? talking to you like pull teeth=root canal out of your mouth with plain pliers! Do you like to trap and trip people up with your going nowhere questions, like the Pharisees in Jesus days.
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Post by chuck on Jan 13, 2020 0:34:34 GMT -5
One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God.When morning came, he called his disciples to him and chose twelve of them, whom he also designated apostles:Simon (whom he named Peter), his brother Andrew, James, John, Philip, Bartholomew,Matthew, Thomas, James son of Alphaeus, Simon who was called the Zealot,Judas son of James, and Judas Iscariot, who became a traitor. - Luke 6:12-16 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke6:12-16&version=NIVShow me where Jesus specifically designated the 70 like the 12?. when it says also in chapter 10....and the following verses in chapter 10....read your bible.... Your making stuff up wally.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 13, 2020 0:34:53 GMT -5
I didn't have anyone in mind. Why, do you ALWAYS post question that make no sense? talking to you like pull teeth=root canal out of your mouth with plain pliers! Do you like to trap and trip people up with your going nowhere questions, like the Pharisees in Jesus days.Just because you don't know the answer doesn't mean my question doesn't make sense.
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