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Post by snow on Jan 12, 2020 13:37:34 GMT -5
Some times. If I remember my hiking days, coming down a steep slope was harder on my knees than climbing up. However, the analogy does make sense why my knees are pretty sore these days.... Didn't you just wait until the sun came up and then melt your way downhill? Sounds a lot easier? LOL now why didn't I think of that....
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Post by snow on Jan 12, 2020 13:38:54 GMT -5
I saw a programme on the Waldensians the other day and how they lived is nothing like the workers. They lived in caves in the mountains. They would wander around which is so unlike the workers who live in one place in nice warm beds in peoples' homes and driving their cars. Cooney was put out because he wanted to continue a wandering life style and 'go where the spirit led' and to think how often we were told the way of God never changes. Missionaries were more like the Waldensians than any workers are today. A lot of what you write in your posts is made up and added by you Nathan. Not to mention that the Waldensians and predecessors Vaudios practiced infant baptism and many Cathoic rituals Exactly and they were excommunicated by the RCC which is proof they were RCC. You can't excommunicate someone that was never a member in the first place.
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Post by Annan on Jan 12, 2020 14:09:57 GMT -5
I saw a programme on the Waldensians the other day and how they lived is nothing like the workers. They lived in caves in the mountains. They would wander around which is so unlike the workers who live in one place in nice warm beds in peoples' homes and driving their cars. Cooney was put out because he wanted to continue a wandering life style and 'go where the spirit led' and to think how often we were told the way of God never changes. Missionaries were more like the Waldensians than any workers are today. A lot of what you write in your posts is made up and added by you Nathan. Not to mention that the Waldensians and predecessors Vaudios practiced infant baptism and many Cathoic rituals Exactly and they were excommunicated by the RCC which is proof they were RCC. You can't excommunicate someone that was never a member in the first place. You obviously haven't been paying attention, Snow. Nathan says the Waldensians have documents proving their history. Obviously Nathan has seen them. Get with the program.
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Post by snow on Jan 12, 2020 14:16:16 GMT -5
Exactly and they were excommunicated by the RCC which is proof they were RCC. You can't excommunicate someone that was never a member in the first place. You obviously haven't been paying attention, Snow. Nathan says the Waldensians have documents proving their history. Obviously Nathan has seen them. Get with the program. LOL I know. I'm a bit slowwww
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Post by nathan on Jan 12, 2020 16:37:35 GMT -5
Thanks, my friend... In Acts 1 we read about Judas one of the 12 went and hang himself so, God appointed and selected Matthias to take his place in the ministry. In Acts we read John 3 Peter and John went to the temple to share the gospel with the Jews. Acts 13:1-2 The Holy Spirit selected and sent Paul and Barnabas together as workers.
Acts 15 We read there was a great disagreement between Paul and Barnabas for taken John Mark back in the ministry. John Mark was Barnabas nephew. Paul decided to take Silas and Barnabas took John Mark and they went on their ways.
One of the main reasons that God the Father and Jesus sent His apostles TWO and TWO is part of the in service training school. The younger man to learn from the older man with experience as mentor like Paul train Silas, Timothy, Titus to be preachers, pastors of the churches and teachers to the churches. The younger generation are the hope of the churches future.
When I was in the work, there were TWO of us on the workers list, but in the middle of the year my older companion went overseer for conventions so, I joined with the workers in the next field for 3 months and this happened to me for 3 yrs. When I was in Montana for special meetings One worker who didn't have a companion for two year, the overseer assigned me to join him.
The workers don't ALWAYS go two and two sometimes it depends on circumstances, just like we READ in the book of Acts of the apostles. Paul went with Barnabas, Paul went alone, or with in small groups of apostles together.
Here is the Vaudois Christians who had taught and practice just like the 2x2 workers for 1800 yrs.
Sending forth the Vaudois/apostles preachers into the world. Two callings: Apostles and Disciples.
Some among the brethren devoted themselves entirely to traveling and ministering the Word and were called "the Perfect" and in accordance with the Lord's word in (Matthew 19:21) "If thou will be Perfect, go and SELL that thou has, and give to the poor, and thou shall have treasures in heaven, and come and follow me." The apostles or the Perfect "Possess nothing," they had NO homes, and Literally Acted upon this command. It was recognize that ALL believers are NOT call to such a path, and that the MAJORITY of believers, while acknowledge that they and ALL belong to Christ, should serve Him while "Remaining" in their families and continuing their usual occupations. Those whom they called "Apostles" played an important part in their testimony. While the elders of the churches and believers "Remained" in their homes, the "Apostles" traveled continually, visiting the churches. A distinction was made between those called to be Apostles or Perfect, and others followers of Christ, based on the fact that in the Gospel some were called to SELL ALL that they had and follow Christ, while others of His disciples were equally called to serve Him in the surroundings in which He found them. The Vaudois/Waldensian Apostles had NO property or goods or home or family; if they HAD these they left them. Their life was one of self-denial, hardship and danger. They traveled in utmost simplicity, without money, without second suit, their needs being supplied by the "Believers" among whom they ministered the Word. They Always go Two and Two, an elder and a younger man, of whom the latter waited on his older companion. (no need for theological training since the younger companion gets on-the-job training guidance from the older companion and the Holy Spirit). No need for seminary school since the Holy Spirit is the only Teacher they need. Their visits were highly esteemed, and they were treated with every token of respect and affection. They NEVER ask for anything; indeed, many undertook serious medical studies that they might be able to care for the bodies of those they met with. The Name "Friends of God" was often given to them.They were required to commit to memory the Gospels of Matthew and John, the general epistles, and a part of those of Paul. They were instructed, moreover, during two or three successive winters, and trained to speak in Latin, and in Italian. They were supported by voluntary contributions of the believers. One part was given to the ministers, once to the poor, and the third was reserved for the missionaries of the Church. These missionaries always Went Forth Two and Two, a young man and old one. The latter was the Regidor, and his COMPANION the Coadjutor.
They traveled to Italy, where they had stations organized in many places, and secret adherents in almost all the towns. Each minister was required to become a missionary in his turn. The younger ones were thus initiated into the delicate duties of evangelization--each of them being under the experienced guidance of a man of years, who according to the discipline of his church, was his superior, and whom he was bound to obey in everything as a matter of duty, and not merely out of deference. The Older man, on his part, thus made his preparation for repose, by training for the Church Successors worthy of it and of himself. His task being accomplished, he could die in peace, with consolatory assurance of having Committed the Sacred Trust of the Gospel into Prudent and Zealous hands. Their maintenance of the absolute authority of the Word of God, and of the doctrine of Salvation by Jesus Christ.
The Vaudois, therefore, are not schematics, but continued inheritors of the Church founded by the Apostles. Very few of them were married (in the ministry); and their perpetual missions, their poverty, their missionary tours, their life always spent amidst warfare and dangers, make it easy to understand the reason of their Celibacy. In the annual synod (special gatherings), which was held in the Valleys, inquiry was made concerning the conduct of the ministers and changes of residence were made amongst them. Those actually employed in the ministry were changed from place to place every three years---two of them always exchanging places with another, except the aged men, who were no longer removed. The Vaudois were bound to visit the sick; they admonished those who behaved ill, and if remonstrance's produced no effect, they went to length of Excommunication; but it was very rare. You do agree then that the important thing is the actual message rather than the method of delivery? After all, Jesus didn't make the method of delivery a doctrine in itself. When ordering a pizza, it may be delivered by a guy on a bicycle, a motor bike, or driving a car, is the method really that important? I mean, you could have two guys delivering it on foot, but I imagine it would have to be a very big pizza? ** If you want to win the 1st prize for a perfect pie award you MUST follow the instrcuction measurement of tea spoon or cup of ingredience recipe. If you add or subtract anything from the perfect recipe then you will get NO reward/Salvation. FOLLOW God the Father and Christ perfect New Test ministry and fellowship instruction very carefully to inherit eternal life= Salvation.
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Post by nathan on Jan 12, 2020 16:50:22 GMT -5
You obviously haven't been paying attention, Snow. Nathan says the Waldensians have documents proving their history. Obviously Nathan has seen them. Get with the program. LOL I know. I'm a bit slowwww ** I have shown and posted the Vaudois 1800 yrs history, belief/teachings, statement of Faith for 20 yrs on TMB. The readers get so sicken tired of it. You are 20 yrs behind the time, Anna. Title: The Pilgrim Church Author: E. H. Broadbent READ Chapter V/10 history of the Vaudois/WaldensesDate first posted: July 2010
gutenberg.net.au/ebooks10/1000351h.html
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 12, 2020 16:54:34 GMT -5
You do agree then that the important thing is the actual message rather than the method of delivery? After all, Jesus didn't make the method of delivery a doctrine in itself. When ordering a pizza, it may be delivered by a guy on a bicycle, a motor bike, or driving a car, is the method really that important? I mean, you could have two guys delivering it on foot, but I imagine it would have to be a very big pizza? ** If you want to win the 1st prize for a perfect pie award you MUST follow the instrcuction measurement of tea spoon or cup of ingredience recipe. If you add or subtract anything from the perfect recipe then you will get NO reward/Salvation. FOLLOW God the Father and Christ perfect New Test ministry and fellowship instruction very carefully to inherit eternal life= Salvation. 🤔🤔🤨🤨 Coming from someone who adds to what the Bible says to suit his own warped view !!!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 12, 2020 16:55:59 GMT -5
You do agree then that the important thing is the actual message rather than the method of delivery? After all, Jesus didn't make the method of delivery a doctrine in itself. When ordering a pizza, it may be delivered by a guy on a bicycle, a motor bike, or driving a car, is the method really that important? I mean, you could have two guys delivering it on foot, but I imagine it would have to be a very big pizza? ** If you want to win the 1st prize for a perfect pie award you MUST follow the instrcuction measurement of tea spoon or cup of ingredience recipe. If you add or subtract anything from the perfect recipe then you will get NO reward/Salvation. FOLLOW God the Father and Christ perfect New Test ministry and fellowship instruction very carefully to inherit eternal life= Salvation. As you like to say, “this is baloney!” Salvation does not depend on any one or any thing but believing in Jesus Christ. The reason the prophets and Apostles are the foundation is because as Jesus is the Chief cornerstone, so was their message always was JESUS. The prophets prophesied JESUS. The apostles witnessed JESUS.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 12, 2020 16:58:05 GMT -5
LOL I know. I'm a bit slowwww ** I have shown and posted the Vaudois 1800 yrs history, belief/teachings, statement of Faith for 20 yrs on TMB. The readers get so sicken tired of it. Haha. I might try to post some of it on here again. But that doesn't mean it's true Nathan !!
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Post by nathan on Jan 12, 2020 17:03:35 GMT -5
I saw a program on the Waldensians the other day and how they lived is nothing like the workers. They lived in caves in the mountains. They would wander around which is so unlike the workers who live in one place in nice warm beds in peoples' homes and driving their cars. Cooney was put out because he wanted to continue a wandering life style and 'go where the spirit led' and to think how often we were told the way of God never changes. Missionaries were more like the Waldensians than any workers are today. A lot of what you write in your posts is made up and added by you Nathan. Not to mention that the Waldensians and predecessors Vaudios practiced infant baptism and many Cathoic rituals Exactly and they were excommunicated by the RCC which is proof they were RCC. You can't excommunicate someone that was never a member in the first place. *** Most of the information I posted came from The pilgrim Church written by Broadbent. I posted the link of his book on line MANY times on here so people can read it for themselves. The Vaudois stayed in the homes of their followers, they move from homes to homes just like the 2x2 workers. The majority of the Vaudois believe that an infant did NOT KNOW what was right and wrong so they should NOT be baptized.
Title: The Pilgrim Church Author: E. H. Broadbent READ Chapter V history of the Vaudois/Waldenses
Date first posted: July 2010 gutenberg.net.au/ebooks10/1000351h.htmlI have collected many different historians writings about the Vaudois history and belief. One of the friends was a church historian wrote a book and he has a lot of information on them also.
MANY of the ex-Vaudois were Catholics themselves. Peter Waldo, a Frenchman in 1160 A.D. was a devout Roman Catholic before he converted and became a Vaudois or Waldenses himself. He and his co-workers appeared before the Pope and he told him what they were preaching and the Pope were excommunicated from the RCC.
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Post by nathan on Jan 12, 2020 17:06:38 GMT -5
** If you want to win the 1st prize for a perfect pie award you MUST follow the instrcuction measurement of tea spoon or cup of ingredience recipe. If you add or subtract anything from the perfect recipe then you will get NO reward/Salvation. FOLLOW God the Father and Christ perfect New Test ministry and fellowship instruction very carefully to inherit eternal life= Salvation. As you like to say, “this is baloney!” Salvation does not depend on any one or any thing but believing in Jesus Christ. The reason the prophets and Apostles are the foundation is because as Jesus is the Chief cornerstone, so was their message always was JESUS. The prophets prophesied JESUS. The apostles witnessed JESUS. ** After death and judgment day we will find out you and the exes, or the workers and me are the Baloney!
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 12, 2020 17:54:37 GMT -5
I'm sure they lie about their origins just like the 2x2's. You/atheist don't KNOW what you are talking about. Stick with your flying magic broom. eh,... excuse me, Nathan.
I think you are a bit behind times if you who believe witches still use "flying magic broom." Those old things are so passe.'
Actually, Nathan, modern, trendy witches have "flying Mercedes." They are great, -much better than trying to hang onto a broom in bad weather. They have sensors that beep if you are about to run into something,- they have GPS.
They can do rollercoaster rides to keep the kiddies happy or gently rock to put the same kiddies to sleep when mom gets tired. We had one in Scotland once.
Those Scots know how to really do magic!
Ours flew over Loch Ness for us and beeped some kind of code so the Lock Ness Monster came to the top & waved & smiled at us.....Now THAT was real Magic!
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 12, 2020 18:24:23 GMT -5
As you like to say, “this is baloney!” Salvation does not depend on any one or any thing but believing in Jesus Christ. The reason the prophets and Apostles are the foundation is because as Jesus is the Chief cornerstone, so was their message always was JESUS. The prophets prophesied JESUS. The apostles witnessed JESUS. ** After death and judgment day we will find out you and the exes, or the workers and me are the Baloney! But nathan the Workers DO NOT BELIEVE what you do !!!
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Post by mountain on Jan 12, 2020 18:34:19 GMT -5
** After death and judgment day we will find out you and the exes, or the workers and me are the Baloney! But nathan the Workers DO NOT BELIEVE what you do !!! I actually think they do, RT, only they don't know it yet!
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Post by nathan on Jan 12, 2020 19:05:51 GMT -5
But nathan the Workers DO NOT BELIEVE what you do !!! I actually think they do, RT, only they don't know it yet! Because the current workers and friends blindness to Jesus is NOT God or NOT part of the Godhead/TRINITY, they missed out many amazing revelation about WHO Christ and Jesus is. The 2x2s don't understand the Sunday Morning fellowship/Worship gathering/meetings are to WORSHIP God the Father, Christ/Jesus our God/Savior and the Holy Spirit= the TRINITY or Triune God.
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Post by Annan on Jan 12, 2020 19:29:12 GMT -5
After death and judgment day we will find out you and the exes, or the workers and me are the Baloney! What a lovely self-righteous attitude, Nathan. And you call yourself Christian?
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Post by Annan on Jan 12, 2020 19:30:38 GMT -5
I actually think they do, RT, only they don't know it yet! Because the current workers and friends blindness to Jesus is NOT God or NOT part of the Godhead/TRINITY, they missed out many amazing revelation about WHO Christ and Jesus is. The 2x2s don't understand the Sunday Morning fellowship/Worship gathering/meetings are to WORSHIP God the Father, Christ/Jesus our God/Savior and the Holy Spirit= the TRINITY or Triune God.It makes no sense that you call yourself a 2x2 when they do not believe what you claim is truth. How is that any different than any other church? They don't know your truth either.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 12, 2020 19:39:16 GMT -5
I actually think they do, RT, only they don't know it yet! Because the current workers and friends blindness to Jesus is NOT God or NOT part of the Godhead/TRINITY, they missed out many amazing revelation about WHO Christ and Jesus is.
The 2x2s don't understand the Sunday Morning fellowship/Worship gathering/meetings are to WORSHIP God the Father, Christ/Jesus our God/Savior and the Holy Spirit= the TRINITY or Triune God. What I hear from all the controversy between the different believers here on TMB as to what is the 'real' TRUTH about GOD, simply solidifies my conviction of realization that I came to long ago.
Religions, -including Christianity, -are the mental "creations" of humankind in order to try to explain their world & themselves.
Therefore, -is it any wonder seeing that there are multitudes of people the world over, - that there is going to also be such a huge variety individual ideas as who that GOD is as well as to what is the absolute "truth?" Even within ONE rather small group?
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Post by nathan on Jan 12, 2020 19:41:22 GMT -5
After death and judgment day we will find out you and the exes, or the workers and me are the Baloney! What a lovely self-righteous attitude, Nathan. And you call yourself Christian? There is NO self-righteous about it. It's 110% the TRUTH. We will ALL find out the truth after death, our souls either going downward/Hades inner earth or upward in heaven/Venus where God the Father, Christ, the angels of God and the Old and New Testament believers live.
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Post by nathan on Jan 12, 2020 19:43:14 GMT -5
Because the current workers and friends blindness to Jesus is NOT God or NOT part of the Godhead/TRINITY, they missed out many amazing revelation about WHO Christ and Jesus is. The 2x2s don't understand the Sunday Morning fellowship/Worship gathering/meetings are to WORSHIP God the Father, Christ/Jesus our God/Savior and the Holy Spirit= the TRINITY or Triune God. It makes no sense that you call yourself a 2x2 when they do not believe what you claim is truth. How is that any different than any other church? They don't know your truth either. Like I said the 2x2s believe it but they don't KNOW it, yet. That is why I want to share the truth on the Internet so it will reach thousands, millions in a few min. to all the world.
Most of the workers and the friends have NEVER heard about the Vaudois who had similar belief, teaching like the 2x2s for 1800 yrs before the 2x2s in 1898.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 12, 2020 20:02:24 GMT -5
You do agree then that the important thing is the actual message rather than the method of delivery? After all, Jesus didn't make the method of delivery a doctrine in itself. When ordering a pizza, it may be delivered by a guy on a bicycle, a motor bike, or driving a car, is the method really that important? I mean, you could have two guys delivering it on foot, but I imagine it would have to be a very big pizza? ** If you want to win the 1st prize for a perfect pie award you MUST follow the instrcuction measurement of tea spoon or cup of ingredience recipe. If you add or subtract anything from the perfect recipe then you will get NO reward/Salvation. FOLLOW God the Father and Christ perfect New Test ministry and fellowship instruction very carefully to inherit eternal life= Salvation. That way everyone can get the first prize. Perhaps you never thought of that.
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Post by nathan on Jan 12, 2020 20:13:46 GMT -5
** If you want to win the 1st prize for a perfect pie award you MUST follow the instrcuction measurement of tea spoon or cup of ingredience recipe. If you add or subtract anything from the perfect recipe then you will get NO reward/Salvation. FOLLOW God the Father and Christ perfect New Test ministry and fellowship instruction very carefully to inherit eternal life= Salvation. That way everyone can get the first prize. Perhaps you never thought of that. God wants everyone to get the first prize but MOST will NOT get it the first prize but scolding...
Jesus said "Enter in at the straight gate, wide is the gate broad is the way, ONLY FEW that find it." Jesus also said "NOT everyone who says unto me LORD, LORD have we NOT preach in thy name, and in thy name have cast out demons and done many wonderful works in your name, but I will say DEPART from me, ye workers of evil doers."
Why? Depart from me.... Because they did NOT follow Jesus instructions and did it their own way and human traditions/teaching of men instead of His WAY.
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Post by Annan on Jan 12, 2020 20:18:12 GMT -5
It makes no sense that you call yourself a 2x2 when they do not believe what you claim is truth. How is that any different than any other church? They don't know your truth either. Like I said the 2x2s believe it but they don't KNOW it, yet. That is why I want to share the truth on the Internet so it will reach thousands, millions in a few min. to all the world.
Most of the workers and the friends have NEVER heard about the Vaudois who had similar belief, teaching like the 2x2s for 1800 yrs before the 2x2s in 1898.It makes no sense that someone can believe something they don't know yet. That's insane.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 12, 2020 20:44:43 GMT -5
That way everyone can get the first prize. Perhaps you never thought of that. God wants everyone to get the first prize but MOST will NOT get it the first prize but scolding...
Jesus said "Enter in at the straight gate, wide is the gate broad is the way, ONLY FEW that find it." Jesus also said "NOT everyone who says unto me LORD, LORD have we NOT preach in thy name, and in thy name have cast out demons and done many wonderful works in your name, but I will say DEPART from me, ye workers of evil doers."
Why? Depart from me.... Because they did NOT follow Jesus instructions and did it their own way and human traditions/teaching of men instead of His WAY.
What if the rules change?
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Post by nathan on Jan 12, 2020 20:54:21 GMT -5
Like I said the 2x2s believe it but they don't KNOW it, yet. That is why I want to share the truth on the Internet so it will reach thousands, millions in a few min. to all the world.
Most of the workers and the friends have NEVER heard about the Vaudois who had similar belief, teaching like the 2x2s for 1800 yrs before the 2x2s in 1898. It makes no sense that someone can believe something they don't know yet. That's insane. The current workers and friends believe in God but they don't believe Jesus is God but He is one of the Godhead. See that's NOT insane is it?
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Post by nathan on Jan 12, 2020 20:56:59 GMT -5
God wants everyone to get the first prize but MOST will NOT get it the first prize but scolding...
Jesus said "Enter in at the straight gate, wide is the gate broad is the way, ONLY FEW that find it." Jesus also said "NOT everyone who says unto me LORD, LORD have we NOT preach in thy name, and in thy name have cast out demons and done many wonderful works in your name, but I will say DEPART from me, ye workers of evil doers."
Why? Depart from me.... Because they did NOT follow Jesus instructions and did it their own way and human traditions/teaching of men instead of His WAY.
What if the rules change? Why would God change the rules when it has worked perfectly the WAY they had set it up? or why would workers change God's rules? Do you think the workers want to hear from God, " Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity!" I don't think so.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 12, 2020 21:23:49 GMT -5
What if the rules change? Why would God change the rules when it has worked perfectly the WAY they had set it up? or why would workers change God's rules? Do you think the workers want to hear from God, " Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity!" I don't think so.Then WHO changes the rules? They obviously do change.
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Post by nathan on Jan 12, 2020 21:57:19 GMT -5
Why would God change the rules when it has worked perfectly the WAY they had set it up? or why would workers change God's rules? Do you think the workers want to hear from God, " Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity!" I don't think so. Then WHO changes the rules? They obviously do change. WHO are you talking about?
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