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Post by Get off of TMB on Jan 10, 2020 19:26:59 GMT -5
Someone mentioned on a facebook group that the meetings are built upon the true ministry unlike the churches of the world.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 10, 2020 19:31:57 GMT -5
Someone mentioned on a facebook group that the meetings are built upon the true ministry unlike the churches of the world. That's a good insider platitude. But it needs a lot of interpretation for someone who wants to know exactly what it means.
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Post by Lee on Jan 11, 2020 0:27:06 GMT -5
If they can legitimately claim this, it is due to the familial qualities of their religious community. Family is a spiritual proposition. As such, family represents a rejection of materialism, the supreme ethos of our age.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 11, 2020 0:54:29 GMT -5
If they can legitimately claim this, it is due to the familial qualities of their religious community. Family is a spiritual proposition. As such, family represents a rejection of materialism, the supreme ethos of our age. Now THAT is NOT a platitude. That is a an enlightened and adjudicated proclamation of mystery from an ecclesiastical arbitrator with the divine.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 11, 2020 1:07:47 GMT -5
Please, can you each put your posts in words that is easier for some of us can understand!
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 11, 2020 1:10:31 GMT -5
Please, can you each put your posts in words that is easier for some of us can understand! Sorry - I was just channeling into Lee's source.
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Post by nathan on Jan 11, 2020 1:14:40 GMT -5
Someone mentioned on a facebook group that the meetings are built upon the true ministry unlike the churches of the world. Paul wrote in Eph. 2:19-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Do you know of any group or churches in the world today that practice or follow Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and New Testament fellowship/worship? Can you name one or two groups?
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Post by Lee on Jan 11, 2020 1:47:03 GMT -5
As you know, Catholics claim this. Interestingly, my son's best friend in high school was chatecized into the beliefs of Catholicism. No, I wasn't a good practicing 2x2, but I had inherited and internalized the benevolent precepts and reward of the gospel.
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Post by nathan on Jan 11, 2020 2:30:57 GMT -5
As you know, Catholics claim this. Interestingly, my son's best friend in high school was chatecized into the beliefs of Catholicism. No, I wasn't a good practicing 2x2, but I had inherited and internalized the benevolent precepts and reward of the gospel. The RCC can claim all they want but I don't see like what I read in the gospel or the 1st century New Testament Church. They can claim they are the duck, but they don't walk and quack like a duck then it's NOT a duck!
You are like the Old Testament children of Israel, inherited the law of Moses and commandment of God, but not really understand what awesome inheritance they had as a 2x2. There is more to 2x2 than meet the eyes.
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Post by mountain on Jan 11, 2020 5:45:45 GMT -5
The Catholic Church is indeed founded on the true ministry. This cannot be denied and is easily proved today. In the Vatican, they can take you down to the catacombs and other underground chambers and show you where the early Christians met!
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Post by jetmech on Jan 11, 2020 5:56:08 GMT -5
Please, can you each put your posts in words that is easier for some of us can understand! Sorry - I was just channeling into Lee's source. I believe the proper phrasing should be " ... posts in words that ARE easier ..." not "is" easier! Remember rules of english grammar: is, are, was, were, be, been ... especially if you're trying to portray yourself as an intellectual ... Thank you.
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Post by Grant on Jan 11, 2020 6:31:07 GMT -5
I did an IQ test online today, trying to keep my brain active and got 130 (in the top 5% of the population). I was quite impressed and think maybe life helps bring problem solving skills. Having done a master's degree athough around 30 years ago also helped I guess.
I'm impressed with Dmm's intelligence and hope my brains as good as hers when I'm in my 80s.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 6:53:19 GMT -5
I did an IQ test online today, trying to keep my brain active and got 130 (in the top 5% of the population). I was quite impressed and think maybe life helps bring problem solving skills. Having done a master's degree athough around 30 years ago also helped I guess. I'm impressed with Dmm's intelligence and hope my brains as good as hers when I'm in my 80s. it is all downhill after 50 years man....
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Post by mountain on Jan 11, 2020 7:38:02 GMT -5
I did an IQ test online today, trying to keep my brain active and got 130 (in the top 5% of the population). I was quite impressed and think maybe life helps bring problem solving skills. Having done a master's degree athough around 30 years ago also helped I guess. I'm impressed with Dmm's intelligence and hope my brains as good as hers when I'm in my 80s. it is all downhill after 50 years man.... You mean it gets easier?
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Post by CherieKropp on Jan 11, 2020 9:43:12 GMT -5
Someone mentioned on a facebook group that the meetings are built upon the true ministry unlike the churches of the world. Paul wrote in Eph. 2:19-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Do you know of any group or churches in the world today that have Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and New Testament fellowship/worship? Can you name one or two groups? Your question is irrelevant. RE definition of "foundation." That scripture passage does not mention anything about the saints' METHOD of ministry and assembling for worship, which were NOT "the FOUNDATION of the apostles and prophets." The foundation belief was stated by Peter in Matt 16:16: "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." It was upon this belief that the church (assembly of believers) was founded--the belief that Jesus was the long promised Messiah the prophets had long prophesied about.
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Post by Lee on Jan 11, 2020 10:05:37 GMT -5
As you know, Catholics claim this. Interestingly, my son's best friend in high school was chatecized into the beliefs of Catholicism. No, I wasn't a good practicing 2x2, but I had inherited and internalized the benevolent precepts and reward of the gospel. The RCC can claim all they want but I don't see like what I read in the gospel or the 1st century New Testament Church. They can claim they are the duck, but they don't walk and quack like a duck then it's NOT a duck!
You are like the Old Testament children of Israel, inherited the law of Moses and commandment of God, but not really understand what awesome inheritance they had as a 2x2. There is more to 2x2 than meet the eyes.Actually I do know what I inherited now... A marginally Christian community that rejected materialism when it was dominating everything in the 19th century, including Christianity. My inheritance has enabled me to represent Christianity well. For instance the Mormon dude who comes up to the ski resort to help us keep our boilers and heaters working. He's polite. He's professional. He's pleasant. He's good. Hes everything a 2x2 would want to be. I want to be more like him. You see, I don't worship one Christian community over another. I just look people in their eyes and greet them as a fellow Christian. If they're not receptive, it's no skin off my back. We all choose our battles.
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Post by nathan on Jan 11, 2020 10:09:56 GMT -5
The Catholic Church is indeed founded on the true ministry. This cannot be denied and is easily proved today. In the Vatican, they can take you down to the catacombs and other underground chambers and show you where the early Christians met! Yes, the RCC came from the TRUE ministry and fellowship of the 1st century church but by the 3rd century they veer off and built their foundation on the Sand/Tradition, Teaching of men and Pagans belief all mixed in as ONE religion INSTEAD on the Christ the Rock foundation/ His own New Testament/Covenant teachings.
Jesus warned and said in Matthew 7:13-27 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits/Works ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
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Post by nathan on Jan 11, 2020 10:18:31 GMT -5
The RCC can claim all they want but I don't see like what I read in the gospel or the 1st century New Testament Church. They can claim they are the duck, but they don't walk and quack like a duck then it's NOT a duck!
You are like the Old Testament children of Israel, inherited the law of Moses and commandment of God, but not really understand what awesome inheritance they had as a 2x2. There is more to 2x2 than meet the eyes. Actually I do know what I inherited now... A marginally Christian community that rejected materialism when it was dominating everything in the 19th century, including Christianity. My inheritance has enabled me to represent Christianity well. For instance the Mormon dude who comes up to the ski resort to help us keep our boilers and heaters working. He's polite. He's professional. He's pleasant. He's good. Hes everything a 2x2 would want to be. I want to be more like him. You see, I don't worship one Christian community over another. I just look people in their eyes and greet them as a fellow Christian. If they're not receptive, it's no skin off my back. We all choose our battles. Your ETERNAL Destiny depends on which side you choose to be on so, be VERY careful whom to decide to be With. Rev. 18:4-5 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Jesus said if the Blind leads the blind BOTH shall fall into the ditch.
Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
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Post by Lee on Jan 11, 2020 11:01:35 GMT -5
You're still captivated by the ministry of fear. The ministry of fear operated side by side with Christianity throughout it's history, including the minor evolution of the 2x2 church.
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Post by nathan on Jan 11, 2020 11:55:34 GMT -5
Paul wrote in Eph. 2:19-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Do you know of any group or churches in the world today that have Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and New Testament fellowship/worship? Can you name one or two groups? Your question is irrelevant. RE definition of "foundation." That scripture passage does not mention anything about the saints' METHOD of ministry and assembling for worship, which were NOT "the FOUNDATION of the apostles and prophets." The foundation belief was stated by Peter in Matt 16:16: "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." It was upon this belief that the church (assembly of believers) was founded--the belief that Jesus was the long promised Messiah the prophets had long prophesied about. *** what you exes and MOST people don't understand is Jesus gospel message Jesus SAVES and the New Test apostolic ministry and fellowship method is the PLAN God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit PLAN to be continued in every generation to the time of Jesus returns as King of kings and to RULE on the earth 1000 yrs. The Godhead wants every generation to have the SAME opportunity in hearing the same gospel from His true servants and people whom he raised up. We have historical documents to prove ii has been done for over 2000 yrs that God has preserved His apostolic ministry and people even to our own generation... And it will continue to the time of Jesus returns.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 11, 2020 12:02:48 GMT -5
I did an IQ test online today, trying to keep my brain active and got 130 (in the top 5% of the population). I was quite impressed and think maybe life helps bring problem solving skills. Having done a master's degree athough around 30 years ago also helped I guess. I'm impressed with Dmm's intelligence and hope my brains as good as hers when I'm in my 80s. it is all downhill after 50 years man.... Hey now! Not for everyone! I’ve known 70-80 y/o people getting their Master’s and Doctorate degrees.
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Post by Annan on Jan 11, 2020 12:05:56 GMT -5
We have historical documents to prove ii has been done for over 2000 yrs that God has preserved His apostolic ministry and people even to our own generation... And it will continue to the time of Jesus returns. And who is "we"? Where are these historical documents?
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Post by Grant on Jan 11, 2020 12:07:09 GMT -5
The Catholic Church has stayed true to its trinity teaching which you say is so relavant to salvation Nathan whereas the 2x2s have strayed from this fundamental teaching or veered off if you like, so which is the true unchanging church?
The 2x2s are some newly formed sect among the vast amount of churches, many of which are alive and well while others are dying out. The 2x2s are one of the dying churches in that they get very few to no new converts outside of family members.
As you've quoted, the gates of hell shall not prevail but sure have succeeded amongst a number of dying churches which is evident by their fruit or lack of.
The true church is one founded on Jesus not some man made ministry.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 11, 2020 12:13:32 GMT -5
Paul wrote in Eph. 2:19-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Do you know of any group or churches in the world today that have Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and New Testament fellowship/worship? Can you name one or two groups? Your question is irrelevant. RE definition of "foundation." That scripture passage does not mention anything about the saints' METHOD of ministry and assembling for worship, which were NOT "the FOUNDATION of the apostles and prophets." The foundation belief was stated by Peter in Matt 16:16: "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." It was upon this belief that the church (assembly of believers) was founded--the belief that Jesus was the long promised Messiah the prophets had long prophesied about. The majority of people think that when a Jesus talked about “this rock” he was talking about Peter. But he was talking about himself and that he himself was the chief cornerstone . 2x2s think when Jesus talked about the prophets and Apostles being the foundation was he was demanding that the same ministry be the same throughout time. However we need to stop and consider the correlation between the prophets and the Apostles. The prophets prophesied about Jesus and the Apostles taught about Jesus. They were the voices that told about Jesus. That’s the message Jesus was giving. The one advantage the Apostles had over the prophets was that they had directly witnessed the advent, the crucifixion and the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
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Post by Grant on Jan 11, 2020 12:23:36 GMT -5
The workers and Nathan make the church about men and the ministry which they make equal to Jesus by referring to Jesus AND the ministry.
He's still trying to convince himself that the workers are the apostolic ministry when it's clearly just a man made church formed by a group of men in the late 1800s, started by a man who turned out to be a false teacher and went astray by his false teachings like Nathan has which nearly everyone except Nathan can see.
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Post by nathan on Jan 11, 2020 12:25:47 GMT -5
You're still captivated by the ministry of fear. The ministry of fear operated side by side with Christianity throughout it's history, including the minor evolution of the 2x2 church. *** Well, that is your belief, I see it as of DIVINE Love. We are witnessing miracle today in our own generation as they did on the days of Jesus and of the apostles or greater! We see things are fulfilling in our dsys, that Jesus foretold about in His days the gospel will go to ALL nations Before His returns in Matthew 24:14.
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Post by Grant on Jan 11, 2020 12:33:26 GMT -5
it is all downhill after 50 years man.... You mean it gets easier? Our brain's supposed to reach its peak at age 27 but guess different intellectual skills develop at different ages. Maths is one that develops at a young age. My experience has shown me that learning to play a musical instrument or learning a language is a lot harder as an adult if you did not have the grounding as a child. I think a lot of people have the intellectual capabiity but never had the opportunity to develop it when they were younger due to life circumstances or like Piaget states some people never move beyond the concrete thinking stage of intellectual development to the next level of reasoning skills.
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Post by CherieKropp on Jan 11, 2020 15:30:25 GMT -5
Your question is irrelevant. RE definition of "foundation." That scripture passage does not mention anything about the saints' METHOD of ministry and assembling for worship, which were NOT "the FOUNDATION of the apostles and prophets." The foundation belief was stated by Peter in Matt 16:16: "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." It was upon this belief that the church (assembly of believers) was founded--the belief that Jesus was the long promised Messiah the prophets had long prophesied about. *** what you exes and MOST people don't understand is Jesus gospel message Jesus SAVES and the New Test apostolic ministry and fellowship method is the PLAN God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit PLAN to be continued in every generation to the time of Jesus returns as King of kings and to RULE on the earth 1000 yrs. The Godhead wants every generation to have the SAME opportunity in hearing the same gospel from His true servants and people whom he raised up. We have historical documents to prove ii has been done for over 2000 yrs that God has preserved His apostolic ministry and people even to our own generation... And it will continue to the time of Jesus returns. So says Nate: "Jesus gospel message Jesus SAVES and the New Test apostolic ministry and fellowship method is the PLAN God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit PLAN to be continued in every generation" The Bible says the church shall continue ("gates of hell shall not prevail against it)--but it does not instruct or say that God planned for the 2x2 ministry to continue til the end of time, nor that only through the 2x2 ministry can someone be saved.
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