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Post by chuck on Jan 23, 2020 5:17:59 GMT -5
That's a jaundiced view. No money for those less fortunate than ourselves forces them into all sorts of nasty ways to make a buck. But Chuck's view that is often the view of many people who still claim that they are "Christians." They don't follow the commandments of the Jesus that SAY they believe in.My view!. And what is my view?
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Post by chuck on Jan 23, 2020 5:53:42 GMT -5
Im still unsure what I should be guilty of? welcome to the sins of the father shall be laid against the son socialist ideology... For once I agree with you wally. I contribute to the billions of dollars already put toward the needy, and am apparently not compassionate when I see a massive waste and the harm in how its distributed.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 23, 2020 9:14:18 GMT -5
I’m not sure about that! This wouldn’t be DNA selective because the dumbo has already procreated, but is not trying to be a father to those children. The law would be just to stop him from procreating any more children. It wouldn’t stop his sex habits but stop the number of children he’s procreated then abandoned. But STR! -you are still passing judgement & forcing an action on someone just like the " eugenics movement" did!And you condone men during children then not helping raise them? That’s evil,
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 23, 2020 9:19:23 GMT -5
Im still unsure what I should be guilty of? welcome to the sins of the father shall be laid against the son socialist ideology... It’s another excuse for atheists to bash ChristIan’s, is what it is all about. Get used to it! The closer to end times the more evil the persecutions against Christians it’ll become! I don’t think they’re even aware themselves why they do and say what they do. They have lost power over their own behavior.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 23, 2020 19:32:23 GMT -5
What's your pedo? I said "not you personally". I wasn't referring to 2x2's. I was referring to historic WASP culture. Oh so it's not my culture. Im still unsure what I should be guilty of? Whats a pedo? Who said you had to be guilty of anything? All you have to do is live with the reality of the world you were born into -- without blaming all the ills of the less fortunate totally on themselves. Pedo? It comes from the Spanish phrase: ¿Qual es tu pedo?[What's your fart?]
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 23, 2020 19:47:52 GMT -5
But STR! -you are still passing judgement & forcing an action on someone just like the " eugenics movement" did!And you condone men during children then not helping raise them? That’s evil, I never said that I "condoned" anything like you are trying to make me sound. But neither do I "condone" people who decide they have a right to be make a judgement, - as you did, -and then believe that you also have the right to perform a surgical procedure on another person's body as you also have stated!
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 23, 2020 19:55:22 GMT -5
welcome to the sins of the father shall be laid against the son socialist ideology... For once I agree with you wally. I contribute to the billions of dollars already put toward the needy, and am apparently not compassionate when I see a massive waste and the harm in how its distributed. Yep, heard it all before! Time & time again! And by "Christians(?)" who never walked in the shoes of those they don't share any of their good luck of having been born the right color, in the right ethnic group and in the right area of the world.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 23, 2020 20:05:10 GMT -5
welcome to the sins of the father shall be laid against the son socialist ideology... It’s another excuse for atheists to bash ChristIan’s, is what it is all about. Get used to it! The closer to end times the more evil the persecutions against Christians it’ll become! I don’t think they’re even aware themselves why they do and say what they do. They have lost power over their own behavior. NO, it NOT an "excuse for atheists to bash Christians"!
But if those who identify themselves as "Christians," -yet show none of the actions whom they claim to follow, -then they need someone to call them on it!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 23, 2020 20:06:34 GMT -5
For once I agree with you wally. I contribute to the billions of dollars already put toward the needy, and am apparently not compassionate when I see a massive waste and the harm in how its distributed. Yep, heard it all before! Time & time again! And by "Christians(?)" who never walked in the shoes of those they don't share any of their good luck of having been born the right color, in the right ethnic group and in the right area of the world. This is the bitterness-against-Christian atheistic bashing , I commented on to Snow. It’s as if anyone but Christians are a okay in everything but the Christians are not!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 23, 2020 20:09:12 GMT -5
It’s another excuse for atheists to bash ChristIan’s, is what it is all about. Get used to it! The closer to end times the more evil the persecutions against Christians it’ll become! I don’t think they’re even aware themselves why they do and say what they do. They have lost power over their own behavior. NO, it NOT an "excuse for atheists to bash Christians"!
But if those who identify themselves as "Christians," -yet show none of the actions whom they claim to follow, -then they need someone to call them on it! As I said, I don’t think you even realize how many times or how much you bash the Christians over something that many other kinds of people are as guilty of.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 23, 2020 20:10:51 GMT -5
Yep, heard it all before! Time & time again! And by "Christians(?)" who never walked in the shoes of those they don't share any of their good luck of having been born the right color, in the right ethnic group and in the right area of the world. This is the bitterness-against-Christian atheistic bashing , I commented on to Snow. It’s as if anyone but Christians are a okay in everything but the Christians are not! It's only considered "bashing" by those who don't understand that they do the same thing themselves.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 23, 2020 20:14:29 GMT -5
And you condone men during children then not helping raise them? That’s evil, I never said that I "condoned" anything like you are trying to make me sound. But neither do I "condone" people who decide they have a right to be make a judgement, - as you did, -and then believe that you also have the right to perform a surgical procedure on another person's body as you also have stated! It’d sure stop men during children then going off leaving them for the government to raise. Another way is to do it like Colorado does and raise the kid up to adulthood, then hunt the sire down and dun him for paying back all that government money with interest. 18 years of governmental childhood raising gets really expensive especially with interest compounded over those 18 years. Most men would likely submit for a local vasectomy first. Had a friend who’s sil got caught in such a case. It cost them about $250,000.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 23, 2020 20:15:43 GMT -5
This is the bitterness-against-Christian atheistic bashing , I commented on to Snow. It’s as if anyone but Christians are a okay in everything but the Christians are not! It's only considered "bashing" by those who don't understand that they do the same thing themselves. As I said you don’t understand you are doing it. It’s just because of the hatred in your hearts for Christianity.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 23, 2020 20:27:13 GMT -5
Yep, heard it all before! Time & time again! And by "Christians(?)" who never walked in the shoes of those they don't share any of their good luck of having been born the right color, in the right ethnic group and in the right area of the world. This is the bitterness-against-Christian atheistic bashing , I commented on to Snow. It’s as if anyone but Christians are a okay in everything but the Christians are not! Nope, -it has nothing to do at all with any "bitterness-against-Christians."
There are many people believe the same as those have expressed here about this issue.
But those people aren't claiming the same "high moral ground" as those "Christians" are claiming.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 23, 2020 20:31:14 GMT -5
It's only considered "bashing" by those who don't understand that they do the same thing themselves. As I said you don’t understand you are doing it. It’s just because of the hatred in your hearts for Christianity. And as I just said, you don’t understand you are doing it. It’s just because of the peculiar revelation you have of your superior Christian insight. Don't pretend that you don't think the rest of us have lesser enlightenment than you have.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 23, 2020 20:32:02 GMT -5
I never said that I "condoned" anything like you are trying to make me sound. But neither do I "condone" people who decide they have a right to be make a judgement, - as you did, -and then believe that you also have the right to perform a surgical procedure on another person's body as you also have stated! It’d sure stop men during children then going off leaving them for the government to raise. Another way is to do it like Colorado does and raise the kid up to adulthood, then hunt the sire down and dun him for paying back all that government money with interest. 18 years of governmental childhood raising gets really expensive especially with interest compounded over those 18 years. Most men would likely submit for a local vasectomy first. Had a friend who’s sold got caught in such a case. It cost them about $250,000. Now, -THAT solution is acceptable, -to order the father pay for the raising of a child. Your first solution is NOT acceptable.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 23, 2020 21:47:14 GMT -5
As I said you don’t understand you are doing it. It’s just because of the hatred in your hearts for Christianity. And as I just said, you don’t understand you are doing it. It’s just because of the peculiar revelation you have of your superior Christian insight. Don't pretend that you don't think the rest of us have lesser enlightenment than you have. I don’t pretend, your enlightenment is about something entirely different then mine.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 23, 2020 21:48:19 GMT -5
It’d sure stop men during children then going off leaving them for the government to raise. Another way is to do it like Colorado does and raise the kid up to adulthood, then hunt the sire down and dun him for paying back all that government money with interest. 18 years of governmental childhood raising gets really expensive especially with interest compounded over those 18 years. Most men would likely submit for a local vasectomy first. Had a friend who’s sold got caught in such a case. It cost them about $250,000. Now, -THAT solution is acceptable, -to order the father pay for the raising of a child. Your first solution is NOT acceptable.
Either way, it’s up to the government to do it. Not me!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 23, 2020 21:52:28 GMT -5
This is the bitterness-against-Christian atheistic bashing , I commented on to Snow. It’s as if anyone but Christians are a okay in everything but the Christians are not! Nope, -it has nothing to do at all with any "bitterness-against-Christians."
There are many people believe the same as those have expressed here about this issue.
But those people aren't claiming the same "high moral ground" as those "Christians" are claiming.
You’ve blanketed your complaint to cover ALL Christians. First, you have no idea if ALL CHRISTIANS claim high moral ground OR haven’t been of lesser or native societies. Or if all Christians don’t contribute to needy people or if they think it’s a waste of money. You come off as if Christians are less then human. Someone to pile all your dislike on.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 23, 2020 22:00:37 GMT -5
For once I agree with you wally. I contribute to the billions of dollars already put toward the needy, and am apparently not compassionate when I see a massive waste and the harm in how its distributed. Yep, heard it all before! Time & time again! And by "Christians(?)" who never walked in the shoes of those they don't share any of their good luck of having been born the right color, in the right ethnic group and in the right area of the world. It would be impossible for them to walk in anyone elses shoes as they are too busy listening to the voices in their heads.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 23, 2020 22:45:30 GMT -5
Nope, -it has nothing to do at all with any "bitterness-against-Christians."
There are many people believe the same as those have expressed here about this issue.
But those people aren't claiming the same "high moral ground" as those "Christians" are claiming.
You’ve blanketed your complaint to cover ALL Christians. First, you have no idea if ALL CHRISTIANS claim high moral ground OR haven’t been of lesser or native societies. Or if all Christians don’t contribute to needy people or if they think it’s a waste of money. You come off as if Christians are less then human. Someone to pile all your dislike on. No.
I did not use any "blanket" to cover ALL Christians.
Reread what I said.
Either you misunderstood it or I didn't explain it well enough.
I will restate what I meant:
"There are many people (who aren't Christians) who believe the same a as those have expressed here about this issue"(Wally and Chuck)
"But those people (who aren't Christians) aren't claiming the same "high moral ground" as those "Christians" (Wally and Chuck) are claiming."
Maybe that will be more clear.
PS: Now about ALL Christians: How many times have I said it here on TMB that I have worked along side MANY Christians who were also concerned as much about human rights as I am?
Those are Christians for whom I have the greatest respect.
PPS: You are WAY off track when you make statements like this! "You come off as if Christians are less then human. Someone to pile all your dislike on."
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Post by slowtosee on Jan 23, 2020 23:41:47 GMT -5
www.thereminder.ca/news/local-news/get-a-damn-job-chief-offers-blunt-remedy-for-what-ails-first-nations-1.2171595While many other chiefs are preoccupied with old treaty claims and calls for additional government support, Louie’s prime focus is clear-cut: put people to work. “I firmly believe every person needs to be in a good-paying job,” he told the auditorium audience. “I don’t like seeing native people unemployed. I don’t like seeing my people on welfare. I don’t agree with welfare. Our people never had welfare before, on the reserves. One old chief once told me, ‘The worst thing Indian Affairs ever brought to our communities was welfare.’ Our oldtimers never survived on welfare before. Every First Nation society that I’ve studied, we all come from a working culture. Our people worked for a living. They got up early and went to work, whether it was on traplines or whether it was in the fur trade. “I’m not looking for handouts. I’m looking for self-sufficiency for my people.” Money is not the motivation for Louie. Rather, it’s how money can improve people’s lives. “Money is not a bad word. I don’t have a love of money,” he said, speaking through a microphone while standing on the auditorium floor. “This is the equation that I learned many years ago: money equals opportunity. That’s why I love making money – so that my people have opportunity.” N
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 23, 2020 23:47:43 GMT -5
www.thereminder.ca/news/local-news/get-a-damn-job-chief-offers-blunt-remedy-for-what-ails-first-nations-1.2171595While many other chiefs are preoccupied with old treaty claims and calls for additional government support, Louie’s prime focus is clear-cut: put people to work. “I firmly believe every person needs to be in a good-paying job,” he told the auditorium audience. “I don’t like seeing native people unemployed. I don’t like seeing my people on welfare. I don’t agree with welfare. Our people never had welfare before, on the reserves. One old chief once told me, ‘The worst thing Indian Affairs ever brought to our communities was welfare.’ Our oldtimers never survived on welfare before. Every First Nation society that I’ve studied, we all come from a working culture. Our people worked for a living. They got up early and went to work, whether it was on traplines or whether it was in the fur trade. “I’m not looking for handouts. I’m looking for self-sufficiency for my people.” Money is not the motivation for Louie. Rather, it’s how money can improve people’s lives. “Money is not a bad word. I don’t have a love of money,” he said, speaking through a microphone while standing on the auditorium floor. “This is the equation that I learned many years ago: money equals opportunity. That’s why I love making money – so that my people have opportunity.” N The fur trade is practically dead. Some species hunted to near extinction. However if native peoples still had the land they used to have, to farm in some way or develop then they would not need welfare.
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Post by slowtosee on Jan 23, 2020 23:52:32 GMT -5
“Clarence Louie says things anyone other than a respected indigenous leader couldn’t get away with. His advice to young men on his home reserve? “Get a damn job, be a man. It should be embarrassing for you to raise your kids on welfare.””
Of course , it is good and right that there is a need for welfare etc , in some circumstances . The long term goal , of self respect , happiness and seneevof well being , is usually hard to realize , for able bodied mentally physically healthy people without working for their “pay” somehow, Alvin
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 24, 2020 1:16:20 GMT -5
And as I just said, you don’t understand you are doing it. It’s just because of the peculiar revelation you have of your superior Christian insight. Don't pretend that you don't think the rest of us have lesser enlightenment than you have. I don’t pretend, your enlightenment is about something entirely different then mine. Okay, then. You believe you're entirely right -- and your enlightenment should be the envy of all the rest of us.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 24, 2020 1:59:03 GMT -5
I don’t pretend, your enlightenment is about something entirely different then mine. Okay, then. You believe you're entirely right -- and your enlightenment should be the envy of all the rest of us. No, that’s not the idea! The idea is Im trying to share what Ivevbeen shown/revealed.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 24, 2020 2:11:59 GMT -5
Okay, then. You believe you're entirely right -- and your enlightenment should be the envy of all the rest of us. No, that’s not the idea! The idea is Im trying to share what Ivevbeen shown/revealed. That's what Nathan's trying to do too. But then, he thinks everyone is bashing him too. Maybe it's a religious person's entitlement of deference that I don't understand.
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Post by chuck on Jan 24, 2020 2:26:32 GMT -5
For once I agree with you wally. I contribute to the billions of dollars already put toward the needy, and am apparently not compassionate when I see a massive waste and the harm in how its distributed. Yep, heard it all before! Time & time again! And by "Christians(?)" who never walked in the shoes of those they don't share any of their good luck of having been born the right color, in the right ethnic group and in the right area of the world. Why do I have to walk in someone's shoes to see obvious waste and harm coming from problems created by the zeal of people trying to help other people on the back of other peoples efforts by trying to create equal outcome. All I see in your post above is division. Can you explain to me what is wrong with pointing out the obvious waste and harm coming from the current direction of social welfare.
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