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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 0:01:48 GMT -5
We have you in our hearts over here, I myself can do little to help which I would if I could, having been a forest fire fireman myself I know how difficult it can be even with a small fire and how quickly it can spread. I hope what is being sent from here has been and is being a little help that it can be. I see our government has now sent army personal over with firefighting crews. Small we may be but we can help with the small stuff. I'm glad to see that Canada has also sent firefighters to help. I don't think I have ever seen such devastation in my lifetime. We've always had forest fires here in Canada in BC, AB and Sask. but I don't think ever as many or as devastating as what is happening in Australia now. Our forests are fairly unpopulated areas so not the same human devastation, and likely not the same animal devastation because not many of the areas that burn here are areas with many domesticated animals like Oz. The closest here was in 2018 when Fort McMurray and other populated areas in the north had to be evacuated and caused a great deal of devastation. But it seems like just about everywhere in Aust. has fires burning. Looking at a map of the fires and it looks like the whole country is up in flames. Snow, 80% of Australia's population live down the east coast of Australia. The Great Dividing Range runs the length of the east coast. Most of that 80% live on the narrow strip of land between Great Divide and coast. So your have 20 million people living on probably less than 10% of Australia's land mass. Also it is the high rainfall area, hence the forests. So the houses are built amongst all the trees. Not a good situation. Where we are west of the Great Divide not as much rain and less forests. Because of the drought the grass is all gone, the land is bare dirt. Even what forests that are there are dying. Without vegetation you can understand how quickly an area could become dessert. The only plus is there is nothing to burn, no fires. We have not had lawn for the last 2 years, just dust. We are battling to keep a few pot plants going using grey water. Towns are running out of water, and bottled drinking water is being given out. Our town is predicted to run out in March. I don't think we will have many visitors, will probably get a bit smelly. Not good times in Australia at the moment, let us hope it is due to change.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 9, 2020 0:25:24 GMT -5
It's more appropriate to say that witchcraft is prayer. i'm not seeing the connection, please explain.... People trying to get something they can't get by themselves.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 9, 2020 0:49:11 GMT -5
I'm glad to see that Canada has also sent firefighters to help. I don't think I have ever seen such devastation in my lifetime. We've always had forest fires here in Canada in BC, AB and Sask. but I don't think ever as many or as devastating as what is happening in Australia now. Our forests are fairly unpopulated areas so not the same human devastation, and likely not the same animal devastation because not many of the areas that burn here are areas with many domesticated animals like Oz. The closest here was in 2018 when Fort McMurray and other populated areas in the north had to be evacuated and caused a great deal of devastation. But it seems like just about everywhere in Aust. has fires burning. Looking at a map of the fires and it looks like the whole country is up in flames. Snow, 80% of Australia's population live down the east coast of Australia. The Great Dividing Range runs the length of the east coast. Most of that 80% live on the narrow strip of land between Great Divide and coast. So your have 20 million people living on probably less than 10% of Australia's land mass. Also it is the high rainfall area, hence the forests. So the houses are built amongst all the trees. Not a good situation. Where we are west of the Great Divide not as much rain and less forests. Because of the drought the grass is all gone, the land is bare dirt. Even what forests that are there are dying. Without vegetation you can understand how quickly an area could become dessert. The only plus is there is nothing to burn, no fires. We have not had lawn for the last 2 years, just dust. We are battling to keep a few pot plants going using grey water. Towns are running out of water, and bottled drinking water is being given out. Our town is predicted to run out in March. I don't think we will have many visitors, will probably get a bit smelly. Not good times in Australia at the moment, let us hope it is due to change. Several informed people have made the prediction that Australia will become uninhabitable within 100 years. No doubt resourceful people like the Aborigene will survive. Palefaces will not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 1:43:39 GMT -5
That is a foreboading prediction Curly, let us hope it is wrong. We can't complain, we have lived our lives, not so good for the younger generation. If we don't get rain this year, we will be "Up Ship Creek".
We need the Chinese to come in and pipe some of the vast water down to us, that falls in Northern Australia. Our mob will never get around to it.
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Post by nathan on Jan 9, 2020 2:13:33 GMT -5
...but not for the people in the "same path" the first time it burned up "north ward!!"
Or else those people "north ward" DIDN'T pray, or else they were heathens and didn't pray to the right god...or, or, - god couldn't hear them .. or, or -well help me out here !
There had to have been SOME reason! It's called witchcraft!. There were hardly any homes in the northward path, ONLY one home was burned down during this wild fire.
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Post by chuck on Jan 9, 2020 7:49:17 GMT -5
Snow, 80% of Australia's population live down the east coast of Australia. The Great Dividing Range runs the length of the east coast. Most of that 80% live on the narrow strip of land between Great Divide and coast. So your have 20 million people living on probably less than 10% of Australia's land mass. Also it is the high rainfall area, hence the forests. So the houses are built amongst all the trees. Not a good situation. Where we are west of the Great Divide not as much rain and less forests. Because of the drought the grass is all gone, the land is bare dirt. Even what forests that are there are dying. Without vegetation you can understand how quickly an area could become dessert. The only plus is there is nothing to burn, no fires. We have not had lawn for the last 2 years, just dust. We are battling to keep a few pot plants going using grey water. Towns are running out of water, and bottled drinking water is being given out. Our town is predicted to run out in March. I don't think we will have many visitors, will probably get a bit smelly. Not good times in Australia at the moment, let us hope it is due to change. Several informed people have made the prediction that Australia will become uninhabitable within 100 years. No doubt resourceful people like the Aborigene will survive. Palefaces will not. So what's stopping the resourcful people surviving now?. Would save a whole lot of unnecessary welfare. Why are they waiting?. Whats going to make Australia inhabitabal?. My bet is laziness!.
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Post by mountain on Jan 9, 2020 8:38:55 GMT -5
Several informed people have made the prediction that Australia will become uninhabitable within 100 years. No doubt resourceful people like the Aborigene will survive. Palefaces will not. So what's stopping the resourcful people surviving now?. Would save a whole lot of unnecessary welfare. Why are they waiting?. Whats going to make Australia inhabitabal?. My bet is laziness!. No, no, no. Don't you go and suggest their works can save them. Surely if they believe that they will survive, that will be enough? They won't have to work for their survival. Imagine suggesting they are work shy. Goodness me Chuck.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 9, 2020 11:16:33 GMT -5
i'm not seeing the connection, please explain.... People trying to get something they can't get by themselves. If prayer doesn’t do anything else but cause people to slow down and breathe a bit and meditate, it’s served a good purpose. That’s the trouble with the world and a lot of rash decisions is people cannot seem to slow down and breathe. Thus decreased oxygen to the brain just constitutes more angst and anger. Thus failures to hold irate behaviors in control. That helps no one and usually ends up with some dead and others in prison the rest of their lives. But that doesn’t seem to teach others looking on, but those sitting in jail have nothing to do but meditate or get angrier.
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Post by speak on Jan 9, 2020 14:50:50 GMT -5
I'm glad to see that Canada has also sent firefighters to help. I don't think I have ever seen such devastation in my lifetime. We've always had forest fires here in Canada in BC, AB and Sask. but I don't think ever as many or as devastating as what is happening in Australia now. Our forests are fairly unpopulated areas so not the same human devastation, and likely not the same animal devastation because not many of the areas that burn here are areas with many domesticated animals like Oz. The closest here was in 2018 when Fort McMurray and other populated areas in the north had to be evacuated and caused a great deal of devastation. But it seems like just about everywhere in Aust. has fires burning. Looking at a map of the fires and it looks like the whole country is up in flames. Snow, 80% of Australia's population live down the east coast of Australia. The Great Dividing Range runs the length of the east coast. Most of that 80% live on the narrow strip of land between Great Divide and coast. So your have 20 million people living on probably less than 10% of Australia's land mass. Also it is the high rainfall area, hence the forests. So the houses are built amongst all the trees. Not a good situation. Where we are west of the Great Divide not as much rain and less forests. Because of the drought the grass is all gone, the land is bare dirt. Even what forests that are there are dying. Without vegetation you can understand how quickly an area could become dessert. The only plus is there is nothing to burn, no fires. We have not had lawn for the last 2 years, just dust. We are battling to keep a few pot plants going using grey water. Towns are running out of water, and bottled drinking water is being given out. Our town is predicted to run out in March. I don't think we will have many visitors, will probably get a bit smelly. Not good times in Australia at the moment, let us hope it is due to change. And we have millions of litre's of fresh water running out to sea. I would love to see our Governments get together and devise a why of shipping it across the Tassie and then delivered by tanker to needy places for free.
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Post by speak on Jan 9, 2020 14:55:48 GMT -5
That is a foreboading prediction Curly, let us hope it is wrong. We can't complain, we have lived our lives, not so good for the younger generation. If we don't get rain this year, we will be "Up Ship Creek". We need the Chinese to come in and pipe some of the vast water down to us, that falls in Northern Australia. Our mob will never get around to it. Then the Chinese will claim it for themselves and own a little more of Aust. If pipes can be put in for energy pipes can be put in for water. Maybe your Govt should live in you town for a year or so, you'd see thing happen then.
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Post by snow on Jan 9, 2020 15:04:53 GMT -5
I'm glad to see that Canada has also sent firefighters to help. I don't think I have ever seen such devastation in my lifetime. We've always had forest fires here in Canada in BC, AB and Sask. but I don't think ever as many or as devastating as what is happening in Australia now. Our forests are fairly unpopulated areas so not the same human devastation, and likely not the same animal devastation because not many of the areas that burn here are areas with many domesticated animals like Oz. The closest here was in 2018 when Fort McMurray and other populated areas in the north had to be evacuated and caused a great deal of devastation. But it seems like just about everywhere in Aust. has fires burning. Looking at a map of the fires and it looks like the whole country is up in flames. Snow, 80% of Australia's population live down the east coast of Australia. The Great Dividing Range runs the length of the east coast. Most of that 80% live on the narrow strip of land between Great Divide and coast. So your have 20 million people living on probably less than 10% of Australia's land mass. Also it is the high rainfall area, hence the forests. So the houses are built amongst all the trees. Not a good situation. Where we are west of the Great Divide not as much rain and less forests. Because of the drought the grass is all gone, the land is bare dirt. Even what forests that are there are dying. Without vegetation you can understand how quickly an area could become dessert. The only plus is there is nothing to burn, no fires. We have not had lawn for the last 2 years, just dust. We are battling to keep a few pot plants going using grey water. Towns are running out of water, and bottled drinking water is being given out. Our town is predicted to run out in March. I don't think we will have many visitors, will probably get a bit smelly. Not good times in Australia at the moment, let us hope it is due to change. That's pretty scary for a lot of people. Any idea what will happen to provide water for your area after March? It isn't hard to see how quickly a desert can happen, that's for sure.
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Post by snow on Jan 9, 2020 15:09:36 GMT -5
Several informed people have made the prediction that Australia will become uninhabitable within 100 years. No doubt resourceful people like the Aborigene will survive. Palefaces will not. So what's stopping the resourcful people surviving now?. Would save a whole lot of unnecessary welfare. Why are they waiting?. Whats going to make Australia inhabitabal?. My bet is laziness!. What? How do you fight no rain and high heat? Only a very few would be able to live in that kind of situation because it would be all the land could support. The Aborigene were there for a very long time before white people and their numbers were small enough to be sustained in pretty unfriendly terrain. But you certainly cannot support the population that Australia has now even if you where resourceful.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 17:32:07 GMT -5
That Snow is the 64 dollar question that nobody is able to answer, not even Governments. The problem is water resources right up the east coast are running low. Sydney is on restrictions. Many towns have a limit of usage to 150 litres per person per day. Garden plants can only be watered with grey water. No washing of cars, footpaths, etc. Where towns are running out, Council is giving out bottled drinking water. Get ready Snow, there could be boatloads of refugees headed for Canada and NZ.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 9, 2020 19:14:48 GMT -5
That Snow is the 64 dollar question that nobody is able to answer, not even Governments. The problem is water resources right up the east coast are running low. Sydney is on restrictions. Many towns have a limit of usage to 150 litres per person per day. Garden plants can only be watered with grey water. No washing of cars, footpaths, etc. Where towns are running out, Council is giving out bottled drinking water. Get ready Snow, there could be boatloads of refugees headed for Canada and NZ. The white ones can come to the US.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 19:17:45 GMT -5
Sorry Bob it is all or nothing.
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Post by slowtosee on Jan 9, 2020 20:54:26 GMT -5
So what's stopping the resourcful people surviving now?. Would save a whole lot of unnecessary welfare. Why are they waiting?. Whats going to make Australia inhabitabal?. My bet is laziness!. What? How do you fight no rain and high heat? Only a very few would be able to live in that kind of situation because it would be all the land could support. The Aborigene were there for a very long time before white people and their numbers were small enough to be sustained in pretty unfriendly terrain. But you certainly cannot support the population that Australia has now even if you where resourceful. Possibly some relocation necassary within Australia , but as a whole , it is WELL able to support its population and plenty more as it is a Major exporter of food etc . Canada,likewise, Presently in a third world country , makes Canada (and Australia etc ) look like paradise for the average local here . (Excluding of course , the catastrophic fire areas etc ) Take my hat off , to the resilience of the Australian people , and the humanity around me . Yesterday , was with doctor , dedicated to his people , serving with subsistence livelihood . Unreal Alvin
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Post by chuck on Jan 9, 2020 21:12:05 GMT -5
So what's stopping the resourcful people surviving now?. Would save a whole lot of unnecessary welfare. Why are they waiting?. Whats going to make Australia inhabitabal?. My bet is laziness!. What? How do you fight no rain and high heat? Only a very few would be able to live in that kind of situation because it would be all the land could support. The Aborigene were there for a very long time before white people and their numbers were small enough to be sustained in pretty unfriendly terrain. But you certainly cannot support the population that Australia has now even if you where resourceful. Easy. Just add water. Plenty of it in Australia, we only utilise about 5% of it. No vision past the next election though. Of course Australia can support its population. Politics cannot support its population is more accurate. But your post kinda missed the point in my previous post.
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Post by chuck on Jan 10, 2020 5:18:08 GMT -5
So what's stopping the resourcful people surviving now?. Would save a whole lot of unnecessary welfare. Why are they waiting?. Whats going to make Australia inhabitabal?. My bet is laziness!. No, no, no. Don't you go and suggest their works can save them. Surely if they believe that they will survive, that will be enough? They won't have to work for their survival. Imagine suggesting they are work shy. Goodness me Chuck. Are you comparing us to the Divine?.
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Post by ellie on Jan 10, 2020 6:21:09 GMT -5
What? How do you fight no rain and high heat? Only a very few would be able to live in that kind of situation because it would be all the land could support. The Aborigene were there for a very long time before white people and their numbers were small enough to be sustained in pretty unfriendly terrain. But you certainly cannot support the population that Australia has now even if you where resourceful. Easy. Just add water. Plenty of it in Australia, we only utilise about 5% of it. True, but its not quite so simple. Deplete the groundwater and there will be goodness knows what environmental consequences. The majority of it is salty too. Then there's the problem of extreme heat to address.
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Post by ellie on Jan 10, 2020 6:53:09 GMT -5
Snow, 80% of Australia's population live down the east coast of Australia. The Great Dividing Range runs the length of the east coast. Most of that 80% live on the narrow strip of land between Great Divide and coast. So your have 20 million people living on probably less than 10% of Australia's land mass. Also it is the high rainfall area, hence the forests. So the houses are built amongst all the trees. Not a good situation. Where we are west of the Great Divide not as much rain and less forests. Because of the drought the grass is all gone, the land is bare dirt. Even what forests that are there are dying. Without vegetation you can understand how quickly an area could become dessert. The only plus is there is nothing to burn, no fires. We have not had lawn for the last 2 years, just dust. We are battling to keep a few pot plants going using grey water. Towns are running out of water, and bottled drinking water is being given out. Our town is predicted to run out in March. I don't think we will have many visitors, will probably get a bit smelly. Not good times in Australia at the moment, let us hope it is due to change. That's pretty scary for a lot of people. Any idea what will happen to provide water for your area after March? It isn't hard to see how quickly a desert can happen, that's for sure. I can't speak for @redback's town, but generally where people can't access groundwater the stopgap seems to be carting it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 13:25:11 GMT -5
The problem with carting it is expensive. And because more and more local supplies are drying up, greater distances have to be travelled to obtain it. Fights are starting between towns to protect the little water they have left. There is a storm in our town at the moment, the locals are trying to stop carters from other towns taking the small amount we have left. Has been some ugly scenes at the filling station, Police called in. Who would have thought that people would be fighting to obtain water.
The long term solution would be pipelines to transfer water from high rainfall areas to the arid parts of Australia. Also of course unconventional water resources, including reclaimed water and desalination are being investigated. What we flush, will be returned to use again. Water is going to become expensive, lets hope not more than beer.
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Post by snow on Jan 10, 2020 13:25:22 GMT -5
That Snow is the 64 dollar question that nobody is able to answer, not even Governments. The problem is water resources right up the east coast are running low. Sydney is on restrictions. Many towns have a limit of usage to 150 litres per person per day. Garden plants can only be watered with grey water. No washing of cars, footpaths, etc. Where towns are running out, Council is giving out bottled drinking water. Get ready Snow, there could be boatloads of refugees headed for Canada and NZ. Well as you know my home is open to you. I just wished I could have met your daughter when she was here!
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Post by snow on Jan 10, 2020 13:28:38 GMT -5
What? How do you fight no rain and high heat? Only a very few would be able to live in that kind of situation because it would be all the land could support. The Aborigene were there for a very long time before white people and their numbers were small enough to be sustained in pretty unfriendly terrain. But you certainly cannot support the population that Australia has now even if you where resourceful. Possibly some relocation necassary within Australia , but as a whole , it is WELL able to support its population and plenty more as it is a Major exporter of food etc . Canada,likewise, Presently in a third world country , makes Canada (and Australia etc ) look like paradise for the average local here . (Excluding of course , the catastrophic fire areas etc ) Take my hat off , to the resilience of the Australian people , and the humanity around me . Yesterday , was with doctor , dedicated to his people , serving with subsistence livelihood . Unreal Alvin As it stands now yes. We were talking is the drought and fires continue and a large majority of Australia becomes desert. They are getting + 40's and our forecast for the -40's here. Brr
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Post by snow on Jan 10, 2020 13:30:37 GMT -5
What? How do you fight no rain and high heat? Only a very few would be able to live in that kind of situation because it would be all the land could support. The Aborigene were there for a very long time before white people and their numbers were small enough to be sustained in pretty unfriendly terrain. But you certainly cannot support the population that Australia has now even if you where resourceful. Easy. Just add water. Plenty of it in Australia, we only utilise about 5% of it. No vision past the next election though. Of course Australia can support its population. Politics cannot support its population is more accurate. But your post kinda missed the point in my previous post. I might have. Lets see. I think your point was why aren't resourceful people learning how to survive in those conditions from those who already no how to exist in those environments. After all you do have people to learn from that have been there a lot longer than white people.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 13:31:05 GMT -5
Thanks Snow, can we bring 4 Dogs, 2 Ducks, 6 Chooks, 1 Guinea Fowl, as well.
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Post by snow on Jan 10, 2020 13:43:27 GMT -5
Thanks Snow, can we bring 4 Dogs, 2 Ducks, 6 Chooks, 1 Guinea Fowl, as well. We just might need to get an acreage when you get here. But then we would just have room for all your family lol. They only allow 3 pets per household and I already have a border collie and a cat.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 10, 2020 14:31:14 GMT -5
What? How do you fight no rain and high heat? Only a very few would be able to live in that kind of situation because it would be all the land could support. The Aborigene were there for a very long time before white people and their numbers were small enough to be sustained in pretty unfriendly terrain. But you certainly cannot support the population that Australia has now even if you where resourceful. Possibly some relocation necassary within Australia , but as a whole , it is WELL able to support its population and plenty more as it is a Major exporter of food etc . Canada,likewise, Presently in a third world country , makes Canada (and Australia etc ) look like paradise for the average local here . (Excluding of course , the catastrophic fire areas etc ) Take my hat off , to the resilience of the Australian people , and the humanity around me . Yesterday , was with doctor , dedicated to his people , serving with subsistence livelihood . Unreal Alvin The food producing areas are rapidly drying out and production is down. It may be feasible to irrigate using centre pivots if a water source could be found that was economic to use.
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Post by mountain on Jan 10, 2020 14:41:40 GMT -5
No, no, no. Don't you go and suggest their works can save them. Surely if they believe that they will survive, that will be enough? They won't have to work for their survival. Imagine suggesting they are work shy. Goodness me Chuck. Are you comparing us to the Divine?. Explain what divine means from scripture?
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