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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 15:54:10 GMT -5
we either go to heaven or hell if heaven we may observe whats going on or we are in a state of rest if hell well nothing we do there will affect this life.... Why do you think we just observe what's going on? Or what scripture says this? well abraham seemed to be able to see what was going on in hell from paradise it may be the same for heaven....
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Post by nathan on Jan 19, 2020 16:03:55 GMT -5
Come on, something is NOT right, here.... God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah cities with fire from heaven. And you think God can't send fire from heaven to destroy the enemies chariots of iron? Apparently he couldn't. You're right, something is wrong here. It's an obvious contradiction of an almighty being that is unable to conquer iron chariots. *** You misread those verses in Judges it was NOT God, who couldn't drive out the inhabitants with chariots of iron but Judah/Children of Israel.
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Post by nathan on Jan 19, 2020 21:20:23 GMT -5
not sure i agree with this because i cannot find scripture for it. at best i believe they are observing or resting.... Amen, Wally... We as believers in Christ have the Holy Spirit on earth to help and guide us already. Before Jesus ascended back to heaven/Interior planet of Venus, He promised to sent the Holy Spirit to be our/believers Helper, Teacher, Guide, Protector/Comforter and Reveals Jesus Truth/gospel to us and to the world in John 16:7-16. 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.
In 95 A.D. God revealed to John apostle what the believers are doing in heaven/Venus. Rev. 6:9-13. And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Jesus said in John 14:1-3 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
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Post by nathan on Jan 19, 2020 21:26:00 GMT -5
** RAM/Mountain KNOWS I do a through study and research on all kinds of subjects before I post it on here. I have multiples sources to back it up because I want signed, sealed and delivered. You haven't proved to me that the earth isn't flat. And you have not proved to me that the planets are hollow. Both are ridiculous once you know even some basic science that teaches how things work. You cannot have an orbiting sphere that is hollow or flat. It's pretty basic science actually. We had discussed this flat and hollow earth many times in the past. I showed you the pictures all of the planets in our Solar system are rounds, the Sun, the moon, earth, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and so on..... And they are hollow inside.
The Godhead is a great, wonderful and awesome Designer! So, Millions/Billions species of beings in Billions planets in each galaxy can live on the surface is like earth.... or inside. Just like the baby lives in the mother's womb for 9 months or the baby chick lives in the egg.
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Post by snow on Jan 20, 2020 18:12:24 GMT -5
Apparently he couldn't. You're right, something is wrong here. It's an obvious contradiction of an almighty being that is unable to conquer iron chariots. *** You misread those verses in Judges it was NOT God, who couldn't drive out the inhabitants with chariots of iron but Judah/Children of Israel.
No I believe I'm reading them right because it clearly says that the Lord was with Judah and that they drove out the inhabitants of the mountain but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley because they had chariots of iron. “And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19
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Post by snow on Jan 20, 2020 18:14:42 GMT -5
You haven't proved to me that the earth isn't flat. And you have not proved to me that the planets are hollow. Both are ridiculous once you know even some basic science that teaches how things work. You cannot have an orbiting sphere that is hollow or flat. It's pretty basic science actually. We had discussed this flat and hollow earth many times in the past. I showed you the pictures all of the planets in our Solar system are rounds, the Sun, the moon, earth, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and so on..... And they are hollow inside.
The Godhead is a great, wonderful and awesome Designer! So, Millions/Billions species of beings in Billions planets in each galaxy can live on the surface is like earth.... or inside. Just like the baby lives in the mother's womb for 9 months or the baby chick lives in the egg.
What you haven't shown me is how a sphere can orbit if it's hollow. You show me the formula of how a planet can be hollow and still exist while in orbit and I will believe you.
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Post by nathan on Jan 20, 2020 19:25:28 GMT -5
*** You misread those verses in Judges it was NOT God, who couldn't drive out the inhabitants with chariots of iron but Judah/Children of Israel.
No I believe I'm reading them right because it clearly says that the Lord was with Judah and that they drove out the inhabitants of the mountain but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley because they had chariots of iron. “And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19 Here is another translation (New International Version) which will help you to understand better than the KJV. Judges 1:19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron.
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Post by xna on Jan 20, 2020 19:26:48 GMT -5
*** You misread those verses in Judges it was NOT God, who couldn't drive out the inhabitants with chariots of iron but Judah/Children of Israel.
No I believe I'm reading them right because it clearly says that the Lord was with Judah and that they drove out the inhabitants of the mountain but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley because they had chariots of iron. “And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19 FWIW: Today in that area, the Arabs, for the most part today live in the hills, and the Jews are more or less are in the valleys. This is the opposite of Judges 1:19
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Post by Annan on Jan 20, 2020 19:45:30 GMT -5
Iron is said to repel witches and evil spirits. *gasp*
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Post by xna on Jan 20, 2020 20:08:50 GMT -5
Iron is said to repel witches and evil spirits. *gasp* What attracts witches?
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Post by snow on Jan 20, 2020 20:29:19 GMT -5
No I believe I'm reading them right because it clearly says that the Lord was with Judah and that they drove out the inhabitants of the mountain but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley because they had chariots of iron. “And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19 Here is another translation (New International Version) which will help you to understand better than the KJV. Judges 1:19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron.
And how is it different? They were still with their Lord and and they were unable to drive the people from the plains because of chariots of iron. Has it become a case of just searching for an interpretation or translation that suits your bias now? Why do people not just accept that what was written is what was written instead of trying to reinterpret it to match what they want it to mean?
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Post by snow on Jan 20, 2020 20:31:33 GMT -5
Iron is said to repel witches and evil spirits. *gasp* Well in all the stories magical ability is killed by too much interaction with iron. Those who had magic had to choose whether to use it and not become a warrior or be a warrior and risk losing their magic. Most weapons in the stories were made of iron.
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Post by Grant on Jan 20, 2020 20:41:36 GMT -5
No I believe I'm reading them right because it clearly says that the Lord was with Judah and that they drove out the inhabitants of the mountain but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley because they had chariots of iron. “And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19 FWIW: Today in that area, the Arabs, for the most part today live in the hills, and the Jews are more or less are in the valleys. This is the opposite of Judges 1:19 A lot of Arabs live and work in mainland Israel (20%?), but only arabs live in the West Bank and Gaza.
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Post by benar on Jan 20, 2020 20:52:26 GMT -5
No I believe I'm reading them right because it clearly says that the Lord was with Judah and that they drove out the inhabitants of the mountain but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley because they had chariots of iron. “And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19 Here is another translation (New International Version) which will help you to understand better than the KJV. Judges 1:19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron.When the Bible doesn't say what we want it to say, there's a problem with the translation, not the Bible itself :rolleyes
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Post by nathan on Jan 20, 2020 20:59:25 GMT -5
Here is another translation (New International Version) which will help you to understand better than the KJV. Judges 1:19 The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron.
And how is it different? They were still with their Lord and and they were unable to drive the people from the plains because of chariots of iron. Has it become a case of just searching for an interpretation or translation that suits your bias now? Why do people not just accept that what was written is what was written instead of trying to reinterpret it to match what they want it to mean? BIG difference! Some of you exes/atheists just read ONE verse and take it out of context by NOT understand the situation and blame God for it. Or say many contradictions in the Bible because you don't KNOW the whole situation... some of you/atheists just read ONE verse and jump to your own conclusion.
Read the article below then you have a better understanding the verse in Judges 1:19
This lack of obedience in completely defeating their enemies is a repeated theme in Judges. Judges 1:19 and 21 say, “The men of Judah . . . took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. . . . The Benjamites . . . did not drive out the Jebusites, who were living in Jerusalem; to this day the Jebusites live there with the Benjamites.” The final verses of chapter 1 also emphasize the incomplete nature of the conquest of the Promised Land. This introduction sets the reader up for what follows—an ongoing cycle of sin that leads to oppression from enemies, followed by a calling out to God, and then the raising up of a judge to rescue the people.
Adoni-Bezek was an evil Canaanite ruler. He was one among many whom the people of Israel defeated, yet he was allowed to live in direct disregard of God’s command. The Book of Judges provides many other examples of the Israelites’ disobedience and how it led to difficult times for Israel until they returned to Him in repentance and obedience.
www.gotquestions.org/Adoni-Bezek.html
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Post by xna on Jan 20, 2020 21:25:24 GMT -5
A lot of Arabs live and work in mainland Israel (20%?), but only arabs live in the West Bank and Gaza. Not completely true today. GazaNo one wants to live in Gaza. My Israeli friends, in the Army tell me they hate & fear gong into Gaza more than any other place. Except for Jewish soldiers and those undercover Jews I suspect no Jews live there, as far as I know. West BankThere are more than 130 Jewish settlements in the West Bank. In 2018 the Jewish population in the West Bank was 449,697. 5 million Palestinians live in Gaza and West Bank, 1.8 million Arabs live in Israel and hundreds of thousands in East Jerusalem, 6.5 million Jews live in Israel When you travel in the West Bank you see a great contrast between many new modern Jewish condo like settlements, and the much poorer and older Arab homes. Most of that area is safe to travel in, but I never felt very safe in Ramallah which is in the center of the West Bank. Ramallah has mainly Arabs, Christians, and a lot of Jewish soldiers.. Trump recently said the West Bank is part of Israel, but the rest of the world holds them to the pre-1967 borders. If the trends continue, Israel will need to become two states, or the Arabs will be the majority. The Jews have the nice houses and money and the Arabs are having the kids.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 20, 2020 22:09:08 GMT -5
Iron is said to repel witches and evil spirits. *gasp* What attracts witches? Toadstool soup with frogs legs.
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Post by Grant on Jan 20, 2020 22:42:38 GMT -5
A lot of Arabs live and work in mainland Israel (20%?), but only arabs live in the West Bank and Gaza. Not completely true today. GazaNo one wants to live in Gaza. My Israeli friends, in the Army tell me they hate & fear gong into Gaza more than any other place. Except for Jewish soldiers and those undercover Jews I suspect no Jews live there, as far as I know. West BankThere are more than 130 Jewish settlements in the West Bank. In 2018 the Jewish population in the West Bank was 449,697. 5 million Palestinians live in Gaza and West Bank, 1.8 million Arabs live in Israel and hundreds of thousands in East Jerusalem, 6.5 million Jews live in Israel When you travel in the West Bank you see a great contrast between many new modern Jewish condo like settlements, and the much poorer and older Arab homes. Most of that area is safe to travel in, but I never felt very safe in Ramallah which is in the center of the West Bank. Ramallah has mainly Arabs, Christians, and a lot of Jewish soldiers.. Trump recently said the West Bank is part of Israel, but the rest of the world holds them to the pre-1967 borders. If the trends continue, Israel will need to become two states, or the Arabs will be the majority. The Jews have the nice houses and money and the Arabs are having the kids. Yes I've been there and seen the contrast. You are right Jewish settlements are going up fast but not without protest both within and without.
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Post by Annan on Jan 21, 2020 8:34:52 GMT -5
Iron is said to repel witches and evil spirits. *gasp* What attracts witches? Crystals. Definitely crystals. I have a huge collection of crystals. They are all over my house.
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Post by snow on Jan 21, 2020 13:38:31 GMT -5
A lot of Arabs live and work in mainland Israel (20%?), but only arabs live in the West Bank and Gaza. Not completely true today. GazaNo one wants to live in Gaza. My Israeli friends, in the Army tell me they hate & fear gong into Gaza more than any other place. Except for Jewish soldiers and those undercover Jews I suspect no Jews live there, as far as I know. West BankThere are more than 130 Jewish settlements in the West Bank. In 2018 the Jewish population in the West Bank was 449,697. 5 million Palestinians live in Gaza and West Bank, 1.8 million Arabs live in Israel and hundreds of thousands in East Jerusalem, 6.5 million Jews live in Israel When you travel in the West Bank you see a great contrast between many new modern Jewish condo like settlements, and the much poorer and older Arab homes. Most of that area is safe to travel in, but I never felt very safe in Ramallah which is in the center of the West Bank. Ramallah has mainly Arabs, Christians, and a lot of Jewish soldiers.. Trump recently said the West Bank is part of Israel, but the rest of the world holds them to the pre-1967 borders. If the trends continue, Israel will need to become two states, or the Arabs will be the majority. The Jews have the nice houses and money and the Arabs are having the kids. Good point. Yes the Jews have flowed into the West Bank which wasn't supposed to happen according to the original boundaries and the Arabs aren't happy that they have ignored that. And, yes they are having lots of kids. The situation is volatile which is sad, but in many ways the Jews are bringing on themselves by ignoring the boundaries.
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Post by snow on Jan 21, 2020 13:40:15 GMT -5
Crystals. Definitely crystals. I have a huge collection of crystals. They are all over my house. Hmmm I'm not a witch but I love crystals and stones of any kind. I love going to the gem show in Quartzsite in January. So many beautiful 'rocks'. Once saw a malachite that was bigger than me. It was beautiful.
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Post by Gene on Jan 24, 2020 19:38:10 GMT -5
If being godly means being able to come to the point when one no longer feels compassion for the lost, mark me down for never wanting to stoop so low as to become godly. I aspire to be snowly. Well, we can see in the OT, God put up with a lot with the children of Israel, even to the point of divorcing them once. But then took them back. But he’s always made people come to reckon for their sins and then forgives them. But after they go back to the same ole, same ole time after time, Im sure he feels quite hopeless and helpless to help them after a while. Some have said that the US is heading for the fall as an empire just like Rome did but they also say if there’s a revival of Christian spirits that it could be turned away for a time. But with people embracing such an immoral president, I’d have to wonder. Seems that the revival of Christian spirits (endorsing Trump) is only hastening the fall.
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Post by Gene on Jan 24, 2020 19:45:34 GMT -5
Pedophiles is the world problems NOT just 2x2s. Lot offered his two virgin daughters to an angry mob of homosexuals (Genesis 19:5-8) Peter repeatedly calls Lot “righteous” (2 Peter 2:7-8) Seems like a safe bet. Two virgin daughters would be totally safe with any homosexuals I've ever known. No wonder Peter called him "righteous."
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 24, 2020 21:02:44 GMT -5
Well, we can see in the OT, God put up with a lot with the children of Israel, even to the point of divorcing them once. But then took them back. But he’s always made people come to reckon for their sins and then forgives them. But after they go back to the same ole, same ole time after time, Im sure he feels quite hopeless and helpless to help them after a while. Some have said that the US is heading for the fall as an empire just like Rome did but they also say if there’s a revival of Christian spirits that it could be turned away for a time. But with people embracing such an immoral president, I’d have to wonder. Seems that the revival of Christian spirits (endorsing Trump) is only hastening the fall. It does seem that way. But I can hear God tell Trump exactly what he told Pharoah.
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