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Post by benar on Jan 18, 2020 18:42:22 GMT -5
The bible is full of self contradictions, it's best to read it as myth and metaphor. Just wait till Dan chimes in that there are no contradictions in the Bible...
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 18, 2020 18:42:36 GMT -5
Totally! How can the planets be hollow when they are clearly flat! ** RAM/Mountain KNOWS I do a through study and research on all kinds of subjects before I post it on here. I have multiples sources to back it up because I want signed, sealed and delivered. HAHA joke of the week !! YouTube isn't research nathan !!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 19:09:08 GMT -5
that doesn't explain atheists, especially ones who believed at one time then choose not to.... Wally, do you choose to not believe in pixies, or is it a case of not having enough evidence to convince you? niether one of those is much different than the other....
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 18, 2020 19:09:46 GMT -5
Totally! How can the planets be hollow when they are clearly flat! ** RAM/Mountain KNOWS I do a through study and research on all kinds of subjects before I post it on here. I have multiples sources to back it up because I want signed, sealed and delivered. Nathan, it doesn't matter how thorough an analysis and research you do nor how many "sources" you use, -if the sources are not dependable as factual, -you are only going to come up an just another fiction story like the kind you are doing!
You depend on Dr. Strange. Thor etc., for your information. So, it wouldn't matter how much you "researched" their work, - you are still going to come up with the same unreliable crap as they do!
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Post by nathan on Jan 18, 2020 19:19:58 GMT -5
*** I KNOW many of you LOVE God at one time and some still do. Satan is our souls fierce enemy and he and 1/3 millions of fallen angels don't want any of us to be in heaven with God for eternity. Therefore, Satan and the demonic angels will use all of their super natural power to deceive and to take our crowns of life that God has promised to give us if we ENDURE unto the end of life. We need to help and encourage each other to stay on course and not to waiver or veer off from the path of eternal life. I do not believe this. I do not believe in Satan or demonic angels or crowns of life or eternal life. These, IMO, are part of the "smoke and mirrors". ** Then we are talking and believing in two different worlds so, we will NEVER agree with one another. It's like water and oil, they can't mix together. Light and darkness can't be together. God and atheist.
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Post by nathan on Jan 18, 2020 19:23:43 GMT -5
The bible is full of self contradictions,n it's best to read it as myth and metaphor. Just wait till Dan chimes in that there are no contradictions in the Bible... *** In eternity I would love to hear God explains to all of you atheists on all of those contradiction you claims are in the Bible. I hope I be able to text all of God's answers to all of those so call contradictions out of context verses in the Bible.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 18, 2020 19:24:41 GMT -5
*** The believers in heaven are praying and cheering us to keep on fight the battles to the end. Read Hebrews chapter 11 We read about the great cloud of old test believersWitnesses and now there is a greater cloud witnesses of Gentiles that no man can count add to the great cloud of Witnesses. I don't believe that they are just praying and cheering, I believe that they help us. Well, there is a reason for such a belief and it is the same reason for any other supernatural belief.
That belief, -as are other supernatural beliefs, -are stories that people tell themselves in order to attempt to understand their world and to comfort to themselves.
Humankind has told such stories since time immemorial for the same reason.
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Post by matisse on Jan 18, 2020 19:34:45 GMT -5
I do not believe this. I do not believe in Satan or demonic angels or crowns of life or eternal life. These, IMO, are part of the "smoke and mirrors". ** Then we are talking and believing in two different worlds so, we will NEVER agree with one another. It's like water and oil, they can't mix together. Light and darkness can't be together. God and atheist. You are unable...or unwilling to see the Smoke and Mirrors.
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Post by xna on Jan 18, 2020 19:34:51 GMT -5
Just wait till Dan chimes in that there are no contradictions in the Bible... *** In eternity I would love to hear God explains to all of you atheists on all of those contradiction you claims are in the Bible. "They/He" could just post their explanation here, but I would prefer that "They/He" spend their time doing something more practical like say; feeding the 9.1 million people who will die of starvation this year.
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Post by Dan on Jan 18, 2020 19:35:25 GMT -5
The bible is full of self contradictions, it's best to read it as myth and metaphor. Just wait till Dan chimes in that there are no contradictions in the Bible...
You know me like the back of your hand .. Its true, the bible doesn't contradict itself.
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Post by Dan on Jan 18, 2020 19:45:15 GMT -5
Yes, God is able to prevent evil.. Yes, God will prevent evil.. Because God is omnipotent.
Evil is the result of sin and sin emanates from us.
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Post by nathan on Jan 18, 2020 19:49:50 GMT -5
*** In eternity I would love to hear God explains to all of you atheists on all of those contradiction you claims are in the Bible. "They/He" could just post their explanation here, but I would prefer that "They/He" spend their time doing something more practical like say; feeding the 9.1 million people who will die of starvation this year. ** It's better to Believe in God Now! We can hear the answers from God later. God is just, righteous, and he hates evil, he will deal with them all at the right time.
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Post by xna on Jan 18, 2020 20:03:53 GMT -5
Because God is omnipotent. Judges 1:19
And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
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Post by benar on Jan 18, 2020 20:05:13 GMT -5
Wally, do you choose to not believe in pixies, or is it a case of not having enough evidence to convince you? niether one of those is much different than the other.... Turn it around then. Could you force yourself to believe in pixies? Remember, pretending to believe is not the same thing as genuinely believing.
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Post by benar on Jan 18, 2020 20:08:57 GMT -5
"They/He" could just post their explanation here, but I would prefer that "They/He" spend their time doing something more practical like say; feeding the 9.1 million people who will die of starvation this year. ** It's better to Believe in God Now! We can hear the answers from God later. God is just, righteous, and he hates evil, he will deal with them all at the right time. The first one is Pascal’s Wager, which has been debunked for centuries. God hates evil, huh? Evil like, say... mass genocide?
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Post by xna on Jan 18, 2020 20:12:59 GMT -5
** It's better to Believe in God Now! We can hear the answers from God later. God is just, righteous, and he hates evil, he will deal with them all at the right time. If god hates evil so much, and is also omnipotent, then "Them/He" should just eliminate evil. Instead the story goes he lets the devil roam around and cause problems. It's the Job story all over where the gods just plays with people for their own pleasure. That's not a moral story. Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. Job 1:7
And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. Job 2:2
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour. 1 Peter 5:8
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 18, 2020 20:17:22 GMT -5
Yes, God is able to prevent evil.. Yes, God will prevent evil.. Because God is omnipotent.
Evil is the result of sin and sin emanates from us.
I think that we have been over that before.
If god was "omnipotent.," so all knowing that he should have know what he was doing, -why did he create such a mess as "sinful" mankind?
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Post by xna on Jan 18, 2020 20:33:18 GMT -5
I think that we have been over that before.
If god was "omnipotent.," so all knowing that he should have know what he was doing, -why did he create such a mess as "sinful" mankind? It could be pointed out that "They/He" had first hand prior knowledge of his problem of evil in heaven, as the story goes he cast Satan out of heaven due to evil. Today we would call that willful disregard and failure to act, as "They/He" could, and should have eliminated evil all together, so as to prevent reoccurrence of the same problem of evil. Revelation 12:
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
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Post by Dan on Jan 18, 2020 20:51:33 GMT -5
Because God is omnipotent. Judges 1:19
And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
In context, the "he" in that verse is in reference to Judah... i.e; Judah (he) drove them out of the mountain, but he (not God) could not drive them out of the valley.
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Post by nathan on Jan 18, 2020 20:54:30 GMT -5
Because God is omnipotent. Judges 1:19
And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. Come on, something is NOT right, here.... God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah cities with fire from heaven. And you think God can't send fire from heaven to destroy the enemies chariots of iron?
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Post by xna on Jan 18, 2020 20:55:29 GMT -5
Judges 1:19
And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
Well that's a twist on the words, but you are then left then with the conundrum; The Lord was with Judah & the Lord abandoned Judah.
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Post by xna on Jan 18, 2020 20:57:37 GMT -5
Judges 1:19
And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. Come on, something is NOT right, here.... God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah cities with fire from heaven. And you think God can't send fire from heaven to destroy the enemies chariots of iron?Do you wish to change or add to the holy scriptures?
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Post by Dan on Jan 18, 2020 21:05:00 GMT -5
Well that's a twist on the words, but you are then left then with the conundrum; The Lord was with Judah & the Lord abandoned Judah.
Sorry, that link was bad, here's the correct one; linkYour correct, the original inheritance given to Israel didn't include the valley. Getting everything we want isn't the definition of the Lord being with us, sometimes we fail to achieve things all on our own.
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Post by nathan on Jan 18, 2020 21:14:03 GMT -5
Come on, something is NOT right, here.... God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah cities with fire from heaven. And you think God can't send fire from heaven to destroy the enemies chariots of iron? Do you wish to change or add to the holy scriptures? No, can you answer my question, please. Do you think God who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah cities in a flash of fire from heaven. And you think God can't send fire from heaven to destroy his enemies chariots of iron? The chariots of fire would be a piece of cake for God to destroy, don't you think.
Judges 1:19 And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
According to these verses I understand Judah/he or the children of Israel drove out the inhabitants of the mountains; but could NOT drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had Chariots of Iron. God was with them but they had no faith in themselves they could drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of fire.
It wasn't God that could NOT drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron! but Judah/children of Israel.
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Post by benar on Jan 18, 2020 21:21:59 GMT -5
Do you wish to change or add to the holy scriptures? No, can you answer my question, please.
Haha! The irony 🙂
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Post by nathan on Jan 18, 2020 21:25:57 GMT -5
No, can you answer my question, please.
Haha! The irony 🙂 No, I believe you/XNA, READ more into the scriptures than what is NOT there so, you came to a WRONG conclusion. It wasn't God that could NOT drive out the enemies with the chariots of fire but Judah/he= Children of Israel.
Can you answer my question, please. Do you think God who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah cities in a flash of fire from heaven. And you think God can't send fire from heaven to destroy his enemies chariots of iron? The chariots of fire would be a piece of cake for God to destroy, don't you think.
Judges 1:19 And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
According to these verses I understand Judah/he or the children of Israel drove out the inhabitants of the mountains; but could NOT drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had Chariots of Iron. God was with them but they had no faith in themselves they could drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of fire.
It wasn't God that could NOT drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron! but Judah/children of Israel.
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Post by xna on Jan 18, 2020 21:32:08 GMT -5
No, can you answer my question, please. Do you think God who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah cities in a flash of fire from heaven. And you think God can't send fire from heaven to destroy his enemies chariots of iron? The chariots of fire would be a piece of cake for God to destroy, don't you think. Destroying chariots of iron would be a very small task compared to the much and many greater things you read of in the bible. You know I am one of the few here who also think your stories about Thor, aliens, and the hollow earth are just as believable and even less out of the world than what you read of in the bible. The bible makes the biggest supernatural claims of any story I have ever read. Aliens and hollow earth are nothing compared to creating the universe, all life and heaven and hell. Our difference is you believe all of it, and I believe none of it. I defend your right to express your beliefs, but I will push back when I don't agree.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 18, 2020 21:38:14 GMT -5
Do you wish to change or add to the holy scriptures? No, can you answer my question, please. Do you think God who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah cities in a flash of fire from heaven. And you think God can't send fire from heaven to destroy his enemies chariots of iron? The chariots of fire would be a piece of cake for God to destroy, don't you think.
Judges 1:19 And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
According to these verses I understand Judah/he or the children of Israel drove out the inhabitants of the mountains; but could NOT drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had Chariots of Iron. God was with them but they had no faith in themselves they could drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of fire.
It wasn't God that could NOT drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron! but Judah/children of Israel.
Now come on! Nathan, -you can't have it both ways!
When you think that the bible supports your view of god being in control, you site that as true but when it doesn't support that it was god in control then you blame the people!
You are trying to eat your cake but still have it intact!
But of course you are not alone in that! Everyone who makes themselves believe that the bible is always accurate & true must use those kinds of deceptions even to themselves in order to make fit it into their belief!
It does not say anything at all about "they had no faith in themselves." If god was with them, as it states, -they would not have needed any "faith in themselves."
In fact they shouldn't have had "faith in themselves."
God would have wanted them to depend on HIM!
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