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Post by xna on Jan 16, 2020 19:26:15 GMT -5
Q.1 DO PEOPLE IN HEAVEN KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING ON EARTH
A1.This is a question about a religious myth. For example the Scientologist believe the Galactic Confederacy brought billions of his people to Earth in DC-8-like spacecraft from the planet Xenu.
This is just a "myth"
myth - "1. a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events." "2.a widely held but false belief or idea."
It 's not rational to believe a thing when there is no evidence. There is no evidence of Xenu or the Christian heaven or hell. All such questions and answers are just imagination and myth.
However, that does not mean that these myths are not sincerely held by well meaning people, they are just deluded.
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Post by nathan on Jan 16, 2020 19:48:13 GMT -5
Q.1 DO PEOPLE IN HEAVEN KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING ON EARTH A1.This is a question about a religious myth. For example the Scientologist believe the Galactic Confederacy brought billions of his people to Earth in DC-8-like spacecraft from the planet Xenu. This is just a "myth" myth - "1. a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events." "2.a widely held but false belief or idea." It 's not rational to believe a thing when there is no evidence. There is no evidence of Xenu or the Christian heaven or hell. All such questions and answers are just imagination and myth. However, that does not mean that these myths are not sincerely held by well meaning people, they are just deluded. ** Where do you think Christ take John the apostle to when he was a prisoner on the island of Patmos. John saw the past, present and future events like on a large TV screen and he lived and recorded many events have and will come TRUE or to pass. HOW can a myth come a fact?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 16, 2020 19:55:49 GMT -5
I suspect there’s a cutting off of compassion at some time. When one does everything to help someone but they keep falling back into the same old quagmire; the Bible says that God gives them over to believe a lie. So that sounds like there’s a time when compassion is removed. If being godly means being able to come to the point when one no longer feels compassion for the lost, mark me down for never wanting to stoop so low as to become godly. I aspire to be snowly. Well, we can see in the OT, God put up with a lot with the children of Israel, even to the point of divorcing them once. But then took them back. But he’s always made people come to reckon for their sins and then forgives them. But after they go back to the same ole, same ole time after time, Im sure he feels quite hopeless and helpless to help them after a while. Some have said that the US is heading for the fall as an empire just like Rome did but they also say if there’s a revival of Christian spirits that it could be turned away for a time. But with people embracing such an immoral president, I’d have to wonder.
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Post by xna on Jan 16, 2020 20:12:24 GMT -5
** Where do you think Christ take John the apostle to when he was a prisoner on the island of Patmos. John saw the past, present and future events like on a large TV screen and he lived and recorded many events have and will come TRUE or to pass. The book of Revelation is "believed" to have been written sometime around 96 CE, and the author may have been a Christian from Ephesus known as "John the Elder."
If this guess is true then, "John the apostle" would have been long dead by the time "John the Elder" guy wrote Revelations so there would have been no direct knowledge.They didn't have TV or radio, so story telling was their form of entertainment. There have been many many stories over the ages.
Yet it's an intriguing story which has endured 2,000 years, but that doesn't make it true anymore than the older Epic of Gilgamesh which goes back to (2150 - 1400 BCE)
HOW can a myth come a fact? A myth is not supported in fact, so it's called fiction. Thats why the bible belongs in the fiction section of the book store, not the non-ficton section.
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Post by nathan on Jan 16, 2020 20:19:37 GMT -5
** Where do you think Christ take John the apostle to when he was a prisoner on the island of Patmos. John saw the past, present and future events like on a large TV screen and he lived and recorded many events have and will come TRUE or to pass. The book of Revelation is "believed" to have been written sometime around 96 CE, and the author may have been a Christian from Ephesus known as "John the Elder."
If this guess is true then, "John the apostle" would have been long dead by the time "John the Elder" guy wrote Revelations so there would have been no direct knowledge.They didn't have TV or radio, so story telling was their form of entertainment. There have been many many stories over the ages.
Yet it's an intriguing story which has endured 2,000 years, but that doesn't make it true anymore than the older Epic of Gilgamesh which goes back to (2150 - 1400 BCE)
HOW can a myth come a fact? A myth is not supported in fact, so it's called fiction. Thats why the bible belongs in the fiction section of the book store, not the non-ficton section.
You atheists have TOO much unbelief, doubts on almost EVERYTHING about God or anything concerning about spiritual things. John the apostle was quite elderly when he wrote epistles I, II, III. It is known John the apostle wrote the gospel of John, the epistles of John I,II,III and the book Revelation. John the apostle preached in Ephesus, and he died after he wrote the book of Revelation or I,II,III epistles of his by the end of the 1st century. He was known to be the last living one of the 12 apostles whom Jesus sent out in Matthew 10.
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Post by nathan on Jan 16, 2020 20:34:16 GMT -5
God said the former things are passed away and remember no more because He makes all things NEW. God will wipe out all of the Old memories, the past from the believers minds. Rev. 21:4-5 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Nathan, if people no longer have their memories - a large part of what makes them who they are, then they are not the same people. I've seen you post before that people will also get new bodies. New bodies and new minds means new people. So 'you' won't be in heaven regardless. ** Have you been to Hades/ realm of the dead and back to life and back? If you HAD NOT been to Hades, then how would you now there is no life after death? Jesus Christ died and His Spirit went to Hades and God the Father raised Him up after the 3rd day. Jesus told the people about heaven to gain and Hell/Hades to shun in Luke 16. Who do you think we should believe Jesus or you? Jesus who had been to both places heaven and Hell and you have not either one. It works the other way too, Nathan. Have YOU been to heaven? If not, then you're just relying on a copy of a copy of a translation of a translation of ancient writings of men, who were so ignorant they did not know at the time where the sun went at night and have zero evidence to back up their claim of an afterlife, let alone a heaven or hell. The Bible is not evidence of heaven - it is a claim. One without any evidence to support it. I have NOT been to heaven, yet but I KNOW Jesus came from heaven and I will soon be with My God and Savior Jesus Christ. I KNOW Jesus came down from and heaven/inside Venus and He has gone back and is there right now!
Do you think Jesus lie to us when he said I came down from heaven and he is there right now. Jesus said in John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Jesus said in John 14:1-3Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 16, 2020 22:12:58 GMT -5
How convenient for you to not remember that those who don't profess will be in hell. That amazes me because didn't you say your family doesn't profess? How can you live knowing that they aren't going to heaven? ** I love my earthly families very much but they can't be with me in heaven until they accept Jesus as their Savior. I told them who Jesus is so, they know to be with me heaven they must believe and accept Jesus as their Savior. The choice is up to them. How can you be sure they even believed you?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 16, 2020 23:29:11 GMT -5
Q.1 DO PEOPLE IN HEAVEN KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING ON EARTH A1.This is a question about a religious myth. For example the Scientologist believe the Galactic Confederacy brought billions of his people to Earth in DC-8-like spacecraft from the planet Xenu. This is just a "myth" myth - "1. a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events." "2.a widely held but false belief or idea." It 's not rational to believe a thing when there is no evidence. There is no evidence of Xenu or the Christian heaven or hell. All such questions and answers are just imagination and myth. However, that does not mean that these myths are not sincerely held by well meaning people, they are just deluded. ** Where do you think Christ take John the apostle to when he was a prisoner on the island of Patmos. John saw the past, present and future events like on a large TV screen and he lived and recorded many events have and will come TRUE or to pass. HOW can a myth come a fact? A myth can't become a "fact," Nathan.
That is why it IS a myth!
Just by adding another "supernatural event" to what was already a "supernatural event" doesn't make it a fact!
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Post by nathan on Jan 16, 2020 23:52:48 GMT -5
** I love my earthly families very much but they can't be with me in heaven until they accept Jesus as their Savior. I told them who Jesus is so, they know to be with me heaven they must believe and accept Jesus as their Savior. The choice is up to them. How can you be sure they even believed you? If they don't then they are going to live with their choices for Eternity. While there is life there is hope. It's NOT over until is over. There is always hope for my family and those like them out there.
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Post by nathan on Jan 16, 2020 23:54:43 GMT -5
** Where do you think Christ take John the apostle to when he was a prisoner on the island of Patmos. John saw the past, present and future events like on a large TV screen and he lived and recorded many events have and will come TRUE or to pass. HOW can a myth come a fact? A myth can't become a "fact," Nathan.
That is why it IS a myth!
Just by adding another "supernatural event" to what was already a "supernatural event" doesn't make it a fact!
There is always some TRUTH to myth, you know. So, don't discount those myths you atheists believe like there is NO God.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 17, 2020 0:59:46 GMT -5
How can you be sure they even believed you? If they don't then they are going to live with their choices for Eternity. While there is life there is hope. It's NOT over until is over. There is always hope for my family and those like them out there.So they're damned for not believing you -- Valiant Thor and all.
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Post by nathan on Jan 17, 2020 1:19:06 GMT -5
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 17, 2020 2:20:33 GMT -5
lol.... my mum used to say "A fool and his money is soon parted"
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Post by Grant on Jan 17, 2020 2:27:03 GMT -5
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Post by nathan on Jan 17, 2020 2:41:42 GMT -5
Why, do you think I am JOKING? And what Am I joking about?
These pictures were taken by an ex-Air force name Robert, I can't remember his last name. Robert and other reporters were there at Howard Menger's farm UFO conference in 1958. He took Photos of Valiant Thor, Don, Jill and Tanyia (all from Venus) Spacecraft Convention in Highbridge, New Jersey in the 1958.Valiant Thor spoke many humans languages at this conference with different reporters and visited with people.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 17, 2020 2:49:29 GMT -5
Why, do you think I am JOKING? And what Am I joking about?
These pictures were taken by an ex-Air force name Robert, I can't remember his last name. Robert and other reporters were there at Howard Menger's farm UFO conference in 1958. He took Photos of Valiant Thor, Don, Jill and Tanyia (all from Venus) Spacecraft Convention in Highbridge, New Jersey in the 1958.Valiant Thor spoke many humans languages at this conference with different reporters and visited with people.
You are so funny you would not even get a job at Barnum and Bailey Circus.
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Post by Grant on Jan 17, 2020 3:11:15 GMT -5
Why would they spend millions on space programmes when they can hitch a free ride to Venus?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 3:25:40 GMT -5
Nathan, Have you thought of sending all this stuff to the workers convention?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 3:33:05 GMT -5
Oh deary me..short hair and lipstick in Venus.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 17, 2020 3:47:33 GMT -5
Nathan, if people no longer have their memories - a large part of what makes them who they are, then they are not the same people. I've seen you post before that people will also get new bodies. New bodies and new minds means new people. So 'you' won't be in heaven regardless. It works the other way too, Nathan. Have YOU been to heaven? If not, then you're just relying on a copy of a copy of a translation of a translation of ancient writings of men, who were so ignorant they did not know at the time where the sun went at night and have zero evidence to back up their claim of an afterlife, let alone a heaven or hell. The Bible is not evidence of heaven - it is a claim. One without any evidence to support it. I have NOT been to heaven, yet but I KNOW Jesus came from heaven and I will soon be with My God and Savior Jesus Christ. I KNOW Jesus came down from and heaven/inside Venus and He has gone back and is there right now!
Do you think Jesus lie to us when he said I came down from heaven and he is there right now. Jesus said in John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Jesus said in John 14:1-3Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.No Nathan you do not know that Jesus came down from Venus !!!
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Post by mountain on Jan 17, 2020 4:36:01 GMT -5
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 17, 2020 5:38:14 GMT -5
Well, Geeze, Ram! I thought everyone knew that!
Of course women are from Venus and men are from Mars!
Venus is the Roman goddess of love & beauty, While Mars is the ancient Roman god of war.
Sounds as if someone needs to read up on their Roman history!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 17, 2020 6:24:51 GMT -5
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Post by nathan on Jan 17, 2020 7:32:20 GMT -5
Why would they spend millions on space programmes when they can hitch a free ride to Venus? What do you mean by your post? Can you explain it clearer because I don't understand your point. Thanks.
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Post by xna on Jan 17, 2020 7:51:50 GMT -5
You atheists have TOO much unbelief, doubts on almost EVERYTHING about God or anything concerning about spiritual things.
The difference between fiction (religion) and non-fiction (science) books in a nutshell.
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Post by nathan on Jan 17, 2020 7:59:08 GMT -5
haha... I believe the book got it all WRONG 110%. Jesus is from Venus/heaven and man/Adam from earth. Jesus said in John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man who is in heaven. Jesus said in John 14:1-2 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.Jesus revealed to John and the believers where He LIVES 2000 yrs ago when he said in Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
~~ The Bright and morning Star is the Planet of Venus. When Valiant Thor met the President Eisenhower and Richard Nixon his vice president in the White House 1957. They asked him, "Sir, Where are you FROM?" Valiant replied, "I am FROM the planet, your Bible called the Bright and Morning Star." Eisenhower said, "Venus?" and he answered, "Yes, sir."During the President Jimmy Carter administration they told him a briefing, they said, " Sir, Jesus is a VISITOR from Venus."
I believe the book of Revelation location was taken place in heaven/inside Venus planet, where God the Father, Christ, all the angels of God and the souls of the Old and New Testament live for now. All the angels of God created and came from inside Venus planet including Satan and 1/3 of the fallen angels. They are the Venusians so, is Christ/Jesus the Creator of ALL things with His Father in heaven.
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Post by nathan on Jan 17, 2020 8:13:41 GMT -5
You atheists have TOO much unbelief, doubts on almost EVERYTHING about God or anything concerning about spiritual things.
The difference between fiction (religion) and non-fiction (science) books in a nutshell. Rick G. is an atheist and alcoholic here is his 2012 Golden globe as a host. The audience cringes whenever he was a host of golden globe host. You believe this guy belief about God and Science are correct? Oh, God help us all. www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQrMGlIE79M
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Post by nathan on Jan 17, 2020 8:26:01 GMT -5
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