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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 27, 2019 21:37:08 GMT -5
To hell with Paul!
His hatred of women shows plain & clear!
How dare he try to make himself judge of how women should act! Hatred of women huh? You're the one inventing and projecting hatred. What's your problem with men? Because I am able to see way some men degrade women and I am not afraid to talk about it loud & clear does not mean that I "hate" men.
The four men in my own life, my father, my husband, and my two sons did not degrade women.
In fact they understand & have worked along side myself & other women for the rights of women. They have marched right along side me.
I wish you would join us, Lee. But from what I gather from your posts, -I expect to see you on the other side of the road with some of your buddies calling us b.i.t.c.h.s .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 23:27:52 GMT -5
The Australian Emu seem to have the Mum, Dad thing worked out the right way. Mum has the good life.
The breeding season for the Emu typically begins in November and lasts until May. During this time a male will make a nest and allow 7-12 eggs to be laid in it. After this time, the male will begin to incubate the eggs and will forcefully defend the nest from predators or even female Emus that attempt to lay more eggs in his nest. Each egg is approximately 13 x 9 cm in size and weighs 700g. The male will incubate the eggs for approximately 56 days, during which time he will fast and rarely move from the nest. When the eggs hatch, the male will care for and protect the chicks for another 18 months. Chicks will reach maturity and can begin breeding when they reach 2 years of age. The usual length of life for an Emu is around 25 years, but they can live longer in captivity.
What dedication to his Wife, he fasts for 8 weeks sitting on the eggs. Then he is Father for 18 months. I wonder what lady Emus do with all the spare time.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 27, 2019 23:42:17 GMT -5
The Australian Emu seem to have the Mum, Dad thing worked out the right way. Mum has the good life. The breeding season for the Emu typically begins in November and lasts until May. During this time a male will make a nest and allow 7-12 eggs to be laid in it. After this time, the male will begin to incubate the eggs and will forcefully defend the nest from predators or even female Emus that attempt to lay more eggs in his nest. Each egg is approximately 13 x 9 cm in size and weighs 700g. The male will incubate the eggs for approximately 56 days, during which time he will fast and rarely move from the nest. When the eggs hatch, the male will care for and protect the chicks for another 18 months. Chicks will reach maturity and can begin breeding when they reach 2 years of age. The usual length of life for an Emu is around 25 years, but they can live longer in captivity. What dedication to his Wife, he fasts for 8 weeks sitting on the eggs. Then he is Father for 18 months. I wonder what lady Emus do with all the spare time. The religious ones bury their heads in sand.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 0:17:58 GMT -5
The Australian Emu seem to have the Mum, Dad thing worked out the right way. Mum has the good life. The breeding season for the Emu typically begins in November and lasts until May. During this time a male will make a nest and allow 7-12 eggs to be laid in it. After this time, the male will begin to incubate the eggs and will forcefully defend the nest from predators or even female Emus that attempt to lay more eggs in his nest. Each egg is approximately 13 x 9 cm in size and weighs 700g. The male will incubate the eggs for approximately 56 days, during which time he will fast and rarely move from the nest. When the eggs hatch, the male will care for and protect the chicks for another 18 months. Chicks will reach maturity and can begin breeding when they reach 2 years of age. The usual length of life for an Emu is around 25 years, but they can live longer in captivity. What dedication to his Wife, he fasts for 8 weeks sitting on the eggs. Then he is Father for 18 months. I wonder what lady Emus do with all the spare time. get to incubating mrs. emu...
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Post by Lee on Dec 28, 2019 22:50:41 GMT -5
Hatred of women huh? You're the one inventing and projecting hatred. What's your problem with men? Because I am able to see way some men degrade women and I am not afraid to talk about it loud & clear does not mean that I "hate" men.
The four men in my own life, my father, my husband, and my two sons did not degrade women.
In fact they understand & have worked along side myself & other women for the rights of women. They have marched right along side me.
I wish you would join us, Lee. But from what I gather from your posts, -I expect to see you on the other side of the road with some of your buddies calling us b.i.t.c.h.s .
One way to not be an antichrist is to not lie. Paul embraced marriage and he did not hate women.
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Post by Lee on Dec 28, 2019 22:51:33 GMT -5
Evil Paul agreed. If you weren't cut out or disposed to the sexual thing there was plenty of other work to do and to be. What has sex got to do with what was quoted? Is that all you see women are good for? Paul said don't have sex at all, period. And, if you had to get married. He didn't even advocate marriage. One way to not be an antichrist is to not lie. Paul embraced marriage and he did not hate women.
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Post by Lee on Dec 28, 2019 22:56:39 GMT -5
What would constitute a politically correct mythology? Hey Bob.... What would constitute a politically correct mythology? Who knows? I can suggest an example: modern Paganism. Is that the same thing as post-christianity? It it's a chronological development, did it borrow anything proceeding it?
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 28, 2019 23:33:58 GMT -5
Who knows? I can suggest an example: modern Paganism. Is that the same thing as post-christianity? It it's a chronological development, did it borrow anything proceeding it? No, it's not post-Christianity. Much of it is directly descended from pre-Christian practices.
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Post by Lee on Dec 28, 2019 23:44:34 GMT -5
Didn't paganism always resolve or degrade into ethno-centricism?
How would modern paganism differ?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 29, 2019 0:13:03 GMT -5
Didn't paganism always resolve or degrade into ethno-centricism? How would modern paganism differ? The modern pagan religions such as Islam and Christianity practice ethno-centricism frequently.Nothing new there.
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Post by Lee on Dec 29, 2019 0:18:17 GMT -5
Do you agree Bob? Or does Curly's position position represent a smear job on a bonafide religious development according to the evolutionary perspective?
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Post by Lee on Dec 29, 2019 0:20:41 GMT -5
Progressive evolution.
If youre gonna be an atheist purist, I don't think you could build a hypothesis of progress into your take of things.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 29, 2019 0:23:19 GMT -5
What has sex got to do with what was quoted? Is that all you see women are good for? Paul said don't have sex at all, period. And, if you had to get married. He didn't even advocate marriage. One way to not be an antichrist is to not lie. Paul embraced marriage and he did not hate women. "Paul did not hate women?"
Lee. Surely, -you jest?
But then, -no doubt you can't see that, Lee, -perhaps because you are a man and more importantly you seem to have the beliefs about women; e. g., that women be submissive to men & be "silent" etc.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 29, 2019 0:23:33 GMT -5
Do you agree Bob? Or does Curly's position position represent a smear job on a bonafide religious development according to the evolutionary perspective? The definition of ethno-centricism fits exactly the way religions such as christianity or Islam operate. Do you find that untruthful or is that the truth of the statement hurts your sensibilities.
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Post by Lee on Dec 29, 2019 0:27:35 GMT -5
I just think you're wrong. You hold false assumptions as truth.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 29, 2019 0:30:51 GMT -5
I just think you're wrong. You hold false assumptions as truth. My assumptions are based on fact, theories that are supported by successful experiments, and can be supported with science in other fields which overlaps. Whereas the bible which you totally believe in classifies bats as birds. It has the earth going dark in the middle of the day for three hours. It has the whole earth covered in water. There is no verifiable explanation for any of these bible "truths"
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 29, 2019 0:39:09 GMT -5
I just think you're wrong. You hold false assumptions as truth. Lee, why do you think he is "wrong?"
Would you deny that, " ethno-centricism fits exactly the way religions such as Christianity or Islam operate?"
Why did you think that "paganism always resolve or degrade into ethno-centricism?"
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Post by Lee on Dec 29, 2019 0:42:18 GMT -5
I just think you're wrong. You hold false assumptions as truth. My assumptions are based on fact, theories that are supported by successful experiments, and can be supported with science in other fields which overlaps. Whereas the bible which you totally believe in classifies bats as birds. It has the earth going dark in the middle of the day for three hours. It has the whole earth covered in water. There is no verifiable explanation for any of these bible "truths" Your necessity and disposition to be hyper polarized has deceived you.
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Post by Lee on Dec 29, 2019 0:47:33 GMT -5
I just think you're wrong. You hold false assumptions as truth. Lee, why do you think he is "wrong?"
Would you deny that, " ethno-centricism fits exactly the way religions such as Christianity or Islam operate?"
Why did you think that "paganism always resolve or degrade into ethno-centricism?"
Jesus was a transnational. For instance, his politically incorrect acknowledgement of Samaritans. Paganism is sort of a conventional religion, isn't it? If all is well in my family or during my summer, life is good?
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 29, 2019 0:50:03 GMT -5
Lee, why do you think he is "wrong?"
Would you deny that, " ethno-centricism fits exactly the way religions such as Christianity or Islam operate?"
Why did you think that "paganism always resolve or degrade into ethno-centricism?"
Jesus was a transnational. For instance, his politically incorrect acknowledgement of Samaritans. Paganism is sort of a conventional religion, isn't it? If all is well in my family or during my summer, life is good? Haven't you got that a bit a-- backwards?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 29, 2019 0:50:12 GMT -5
I just think you're wrong. You hold false assumptions as truth. Lee, why do you think he is "wrong?"
Would you deny that, " ethno-centricism fits exactly the way religions such as Christianity or Islam operate?"
Why did you think that "paganism always resolve or degrade into ethno-centricism?"
By the look of many of the replies to comments made by us terrible atheists I am picking that the religious are finding it increasingly difficult to ignore the facts that modern science presents. They have lived all their lives in anticipation of eternal life. Knock religion for a six and that goes as well which leaves them bewildered and frustrated.
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Post by Lee on Dec 29, 2019 0:57:37 GMT -5
Is that right
Well I'm finding my life improving as zi take Jesus' approach to life to heart.
I have a neighbor who thinks it's in his interest to meet flesh head on.
Jesus taught us another way. A reflective way. And invitation to the observers chair. To acquire wisdom about people and life.
There's more to life than riches and comforts and who won the last game.
And I'm for responsible gun ownership...just I case you might misunderstand me.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 29, 2019 4:47:42 GMT -5
Didn't paganism always resolve or degrade into ethno-centricism? How would modern paganism differ? It seems obvious that ancient Paganism couldn't have been ethno-centric because they normally believed that all the gods were real. Custom frequently was that wherever you were you could worship whatever god(s) the locals worshiped. It was the law in the Roman Empire (before they adopted Christianity) that all people recognize everyone else's gods. That was the Jewish problem at the time -- they wouldn't recognize any other god but their own. Today Pagans are somewhat like that. One safe thing about having a Pagan for a neighbor is that they're not about to dispute whether your god is right or not. Actually, it's quite common for many Pagans to feel comfortable worshipping in the Catholic church. For the same reasons the Pagans went to the Roman church in the beginning -- similar traditions and more similar theology than Judaism or Islam.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 29, 2019 5:04:17 GMT -5
Do you agree Bob? Or does Curly's position position represent a smear job on a bonafide religious development according to the evolutionary perspective? He's not wrong, but the explanation isn't simple. We've been talking about how Paganism branched into original Judaism and became Christianity. Christianity adopted Pagan/Greek theology. Islam developed later, but it didn't absorb the same theology as Christianity did because the Christians by then had become so ethnocentric that they just rejected Islam. But Islam did evolve out of some still practiced Middle Eastern traditions, INCLUDING JUDAISM -- the reason why Islam and Judaism have the same concept of God. And remember, Abraham was the one who made the deal with "Abraham's god" (one of the ancient gods to pick from) and that's how it evolved. Remember, the Israelites weren't monotheistic -- they just didn't worship the other gods because of the first commandment their own god had given them. By the way, there is mention of Jesus in Hindu scriptures -- I think he was called Issa, but I've forgotten the exact spelling.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 29, 2019 5:22:46 GMT -5
Jesus was a transnational. For instance, his politically incorrect acknowledgement of Samaritans. In a sense, yes. But it was more political that incorrect. The Samaritans were the descendants of the Jews who had not been exiled to Babylon. The Jews who came back from Babylon had been so influenced by the Babylonian culture that they didn't want to associate with the Samaritans. And to this day they don't recognize the Samaritans as "Jews". And Jesus was more of a transition to Christianity than he was the founder. It is known that there were a lot of Jesus followers among the Jews in the first couple of centuries after Jesus, but by the time Augustine had discovered Paul and introduced him and his Pagan theology into the Roman Church, the traditional Jewish believers were forced out and eventually excluded from what became catholic Christianity. I guess so, if that's a characteristic of a conventional religion. The main difference between Paganism and Christianity is that Christianity has a dogma, and Pagans don't. Dogma is what you must believe in order to be a Christian. Pagans have no problem with people who don't believe as they do. In fact, Jews don't have any dogma either -- just their laws that are to be obeyed. That kind of explains why Jews can argue endlessly over their laws and still consider each other Jews, but Christians have gone to war against each other because they don't agree on what has to be believed.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 29, 2019 5:27:47 GMT -5
Is that right Well I'm finding my life improving as zi take Jesus' approach to life to heart. I have a neighbor who thinks it's in his interest to meet flesh head on. Jesus taught us another way. A reflective way. And invitation to the observers chair. To acquire wisdom about people and life. There's more to life than riches and comforts and who won the last game. And I'm for responsible gun ownership...just I case you might misunderstand me. I don't know if I understand this, but it's probably okay with me. People can live good moral lives no matter what they believe. My personal concern is really just about how people act morally toward others.
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Post by Lee on Dec 29, 2019 8:54:41 GMT -5
That's where the rubber meets the road. I would argue monotheism anticipated our humanistic age today which in my view, was a positive development. Humanistic as in a creed to constitute his advocacy.
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Post by Lee on Dec 29, 2019 8:56:08 GMT -5
One way to not be an antichrist is to not lie. Paul embraced marriage and he did not hate women. "Paul did not hate women?"
Lee. Surely, -you jest?
But then, -no doubt you can't see that, Lee, -perhaps because you are a man and more importantly you seem to have the beliefs about women; e. g., that women be submissive to men & be "silent" etc.Sometimes they should be. Back when men were good, not too material, not too soft headed, it was assumed they could offer something vocally of usefulness to the tribe. In JC's case, to the human race.
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