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Post by matisse on Dec 7, 2019 23:16:46 GMT -5
...and with no concessions or incentives "paid" to Amazon by the city or state.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 4:55:50 GMT -5
...and with no concessions or incentives "paid" to Amazon by the city or state. yep at a cost of 23.5k jobs...
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Post by matisse on Dec 8, 2019 7:30:11 GMT -5
...and with no concessions or incentives "paid" to Amazon by the city or state. yep at a cost of 23.5k jobs... NY made the right choice for NY.Letter from Seattle[excerpt] Most (ordinary Seattle residents) would acknowledge the extraordinary prosperity that Amazon has brought to Seattle since Jeff Bezos and his startup arrived in 1994. But they are also keenly aware of the costs, not least the nation’s fastest-rising housing prices, appalling traffic and a painful erosion of urban identity. What was once a quirkily mellow, solidly middle-class city now feels like a stressed-out, two-tier town with a thin layer of wealthy young techies atop a base of anxious wage workers. As one City Council member put it, HQ2 may give Seattle “a little breathing room” to cope with a decade of raging, Amazon-fueled growth. A commenter on a local news site was less diplomatic: “Amazon = cancer.”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 23:42:07 GMT -5
yep at a cost of 23.5k jobs... NY made the right choice for NY.Letter from Seattle[excerpt] Most (ordinary Seattle residents) would acknowledge the extraordinary prosperity that Amazon has brought to Seattle since Jeff Bezos and his startup arrived in 1994. But they are also keenly aware of the costs, not least the nation’s fastest-rising housing prices, appalling traffic and a painful erosion of urban identity. What was once a quirkily mellow, solidly middle-class city now feels like a stressed-out, two-tier town with a thin layer of wealthy young techies atop a base of anxious wage workers. As one City Council member put it, HQ2 may give Seattle “a little breathing room” to cope with a decade of raging, Amazon-fueled growth. A commenter on a local news site was less diplomatic: “Amazon = cancer.”that won't bring 23.5k jobs to the area...just sayin'
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 9, 2019 1:14:53 GMT -5
NY made the right choice for NY.Letter from Seattle[excerpt] Most (ordinary Seattle residents) would acknowledge the extraordinary prosperity that Amazon has brought to Seattle since Jeff Bezos and his startup arrived in 1994. But they are also keenly aware of the costs, not least the nation’s fastest-rising housing prices, appalling traffic and a painful erosion of urban identity. What was once a quirkily mellow, solidly middle-class city now feels like a stressed-out, two-tier town with a thin layer of wealthy young techies atop a base of anxious wage workers. As one City Council member put it, HQ2 may give Seattle “a little breathing room” to cope with a decade of raging, Amazon-fueled growth. A commenter on a local news site was less diplomatic: “Amazon = cancer.” that won't bring 23.5k jobs to the area...just sayin' Since when did you support tax dollars for lower middle class liberal traitorous minority people? How did it go in Seattle?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 1:43:17 GMT -5
that won't bring 23.5k jobs to the area...just sayin' Since when did you support tax dollars for lower middle class liberal traitorous minority people? How did it go in Seattle? who says they will be all liberal or minorities? ummm seattle is fine thank you even if its liberal land...
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 9, 2019 1:55:58 GMT -5
Since when did you support tax dollars for lower middle class liberal traitorous minority people? How did it go in Seattle? who says they will be all liberal or minorities? ummm seattle is fine thank you even if its liberal land... I recall you think Seattle is going to the dogs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 2:56:15 GMT -5
who says they will be all liberal or minorities? ummm seattle is fine thank you even if its liberal land... I recall you think Seattle is going to the dogs. not in the job arena.....socially and politically yes its clap trap.......
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 9, 2019 16:59:45 GMT -5
I recall you think Seattle is going to the dogs. not in the job arena.....socially and politically yes its clap trap....... Well that's how capitalism works. Money only.
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Post by ellie on Dec 10, 2019 6:14:15 GMT -5
NY made the right choice for NY.Letter from Seattle[excerpt] Most (ordinary Seattle residents) would acknowledge the extraordinary prosperity that Amazon has brought to Seattle since Jeff Bezos and his startup arrived in 1994. But they are also keenly aware of the costs, not least the nation’s fastest-rising housing prices, appalling traffic and a painful erosion of urban identity. What was once a quirkily mellow, solidly middle-class city now feels like a stressed-out, two-tier town with a thin layer of wealthy young techies atop a base of anxious wage workers. As one City Council member put it, HQ2 may give Seattle “a little breathing room” to cope with a decade of raging, Amazon-fueled growth. A commenter on a local news site was less diplomatic: “Amazon = cancer.” that won't bring 23.5k jobs to the area...just sayin' Not every job is a job worth having. ANU study Psychosocial job adversity and health in Australia a little while back found respondents who moved into poor-quality jobs showed a significant worsening in their mental health compared to those who remained unemployed. The Amazon jobs in Australia would have fitted into the poor-quality category from what I recall in the media.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 23:16:15 GMT -5
that won't bring 23.5k jobs to the area...just sayin' Not every job is a job worth having. ANU study Psychosocial job adversity and health in Australia a little while back found respondents who moved into poor-quality jobs showed a significant worsening in their mental health compared to those who remained unemployed. The Amazon jobs in Australia would have fitted into the poor-quality category from what I recall in the media. welcome to life where no job is ideal. its what puts food on the table and clothes on the childrens backs. i thought people were starving to death and such. a job even if you don't really like it would help prevent that in my estimation.
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Post by ellie on Dec 12, 2019 22:40:33 GMT -5
Not every job is a job worth having. ANU study Psychosocial job adversity and health in Australia a little while back found respondents who moved into poor-quality jobs showed a significant worsening in their mental health compared to those who remained unemployed. The Amazon jobs in Australia would have fitted into the poor-quality category from what I recall in the media. welcome to life where no job is ideal. Mine is! That didn't come out of the study, but think about the bigger picture. We know that people in good mental and physical health are more likely to be selected for employment just as satisfying jobs have a positive impact on one's condition. This is a positive cycle. Likewise we know that bad jobs are not good for well-being. Poor health and unemployment are also related. It follows that some of the people taking rubbish jobs will end up unemployed through poor health or some other reason and be in a worse position health wise for scoring desirable jobs. This is a negative cycle. So if a person waits rather than taking the first available rubbish job they will be positioned health wise to score the better job and get themselves into that positive health-employment cycle. Last but not least, in demand jobs should pay enough to help people accrue savings for a rainy day such as warding off starvation in times of unemployment!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 23:16:48 GMT -5
welcome to life where no job is ideal. Mine is! That didn't come out of the study, but think about the bigger picture. We know that people in good mental and physical health are more likely to be selected for employment just as satisfying jobs have a positive impact on one's condition. This is a positive cycle. Likewise we know that bad jobs are not good for well-being. Poor health and unemployment are also related. It follows that some of the people taking rubbish jobs will end up unemployed through poor health or some other reason and be in a worse position health wise for scoring desirable jobs. This is a negative cycle. So if a person waits rather than taking the first available rubbish job they will be positioned health wise to score the better job and get themselves into that positive health-employment cycle. Last but not least, in demand jobs should pay enough to help people accrue savings for a rainy day such as warding off starvation in times of unemployment! except for the fact the(at least in america) people have for generations been taking crap jobs to get to better jobs later on and in fact improve themselves in spite of the negative aspects of previous jobs...
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Post by ellie on Dec 12, 2019 23:39:23 GMT -5
Mine is! That didn't come out of the study, but think about the bigger picture. We know that people in good mental and physical health are more likely to be selected for employment just as satisfying jobs have a positive impact on one's condition. This is a positive cycle. Likewise we know that bad jobs are not good for well-being. Poor health and unemployment are also related. It follows that some of the people taking rubbish jobs will end up unemployed through poor health or some other reason and be in a worse position health wise for scoring desirable jobs. This is a negative cycle. So if a person waits rather than taking the first available rubbish job they will be positioned health wise to score the better job and get themselves into that positive health-employment cycle. Last but not least, in demand jobs should pay enough to help people accrue savings for a rainy day such as warding off starvation in times of unemployment! except for the fact the(at least in america) people have for generations been taking crap jobs to get to better jobs later on and in fact improve themselves in spite of the negative aspects of previous jobs... Sure if there's an obvious promotion route such as in a cadestship or for a grad or similar. But then is that really a crap job? However, from my visits to the U.S., seeing the striking poverty wealth contrast I'm almost certain your average person in a crap job moves from that job to similar low paying roles with equally ordinary conditions. If you have current data suggesting widespread upward mobility via taking rubbish jobs in the US I'm keen to see it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 23:52:07 GMT -5
except for the fact the(at least in america) people have for generations been taking crap jobs to get to better jobs later on and in fact improve themselves in spite of the negative aspects of previous jobs... Sure if there's an obvious promotion route such as in a cadestship or for a grad or similar. But then is that really a crap job? However, from my visits to the U.S., seeing the striking poverty wealth contrast I'm almost certain your average person in a crap job moves from that job to similar low paying roles with equally ordinary conditions. If you have current data suggesting widespread upward mobility via taking rubbish jobs in the US I'm keen to see it. there is no such study that i am aware of...but i do have my own experience to rely on i went from mowing lawns for an apt. complex(a crap job) at about 2200 a year to the job i have now making 35k...there were other crap jobs along the way too....my sister worked at a fabric store(a crap job)making 5200 a year to making 80k doing accounting...my mother went from a crap job supporting 2 kids at 500 per month to a job that gave her 2500 per month...
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Post by ellie on Dec 13, 2019 6:48:18 GMT -5
Sure if there's an obvious promotion route such as in a cadestship or for a grad or similar. But then is that really a crap job? However, from my visits to the U.S., seeing the striking poverty wealth contrast I'm almost certain your average person in a crap job moves from that job to similar low paying roles with equally ordinary conditions. If you have current data suggesting widespread upward mobility via taking rubbish jobs in the US I'm keen to see it. there is no such study that i am aware of...but i do have my own experience to rely on i went from mowing lawns for an apt. complex(a crap job) at about 2200 a year to the job i have now making 35k...there were other crap jobs along the way too....my sister worked at a fabric store(a crap job)making 5200 a year to making 80k doing accounting...my mother went from a crap job supporting 2 kids at 500 per month to a job that gave her 2500 per month... Would I be correct in guessing there may be some schooling or additional qualifications facilitating the change in circumstances?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2019 20:24:58 GMT -5
there is no such study that i am aware of...but i do have my own experience to rely on i went from mowing lawns for an apt. complex(a crap job) at about 2200 a year to the job i have now making 35k...there were other crap jobs along the way too....my sister worked at a fabric store(a crap job)making 5200 a year to making 80k doing accounting...my mother went from a crap job supporting 2 kids at 500 per month to a job that gave her 2500 per month... Would I be correct in guessing there may be some schooling or additional qualifications facilitating the change in circumstances? all the while holding "crap" jobs that paid for that education......
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Post by ellie on Dec 14, 2019 6:40:32 GMT -5
Would I be correct in guessing there may be some schooling or additional qualifications facilitating the change in circumstances? all the while holding "crap" jobs that paid for that education...... Sure, but it was the education that lifted you out of the ordinary jobs. Without it you might be still mowing lawns! I did the same, and I think there's a place for those kind of jobs as a student. They are a means to an end and not what the study was referring to. I'm talking about accepting a rubbish job rather then waiting for a more desirable role. An example would be if I was suddenly out of work and decided to pick up hours in the Amazon warehouse. It would, from what I hear, likely be a path to burn out. Staying unemployed, looking after myself and spending the time tailoring resumes and preparing for a better job would pay off in well-being and probably financially too. Those hours in the warehouse aren't worth much.
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Post by ellie on Dec 14, 2019 6:49:59 GMT -5
Sure if there's an obvious promotion route such as in a cadestship or for a grad or similar. But then is that really a crap job? However, from my visits to the U.S., seeing the striking poverty wealth contrast I'm almost certain your average person in a crap job moves from that job to similar low paying roles with equally ordinary conditions. If you have current data suggesting widespread upward mobility via taking rubbish jobs in the US I'm keen to see it. there is no such study that i am aware of...but i do have my own experience to rely on i went from mowing lawns for an apt. complex(a crap job) at about 2200 a year to the job i have now making 35k...there were other crap jobs along the way too....my sister worked at a fabric store(a crap job)making 5200 a year to making 80k doing accounting...my mother went from a crap job supporting 2 kids at 500 per month to a job that gave her 2500 per month... Actually a quick search brings up a recent Brookings institution report. I mainly just looked at the charts but it's very interesting! 44% of 18-64 yr old Americans are low-wage workers and the chances of upward mobility don't exactly shout American dream. 52% of the bottom (5th) quintile remain there on transition. 55% of the 4th quintile remain or transition downward. In the middle there's a 63% chance to transition to the same wage or down vs only a 55% chance of a same wage or upward. It's like there's a trickle to the wage bottom.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 18:18:42 GMT -5
all the while holding "crap" jobs that paid for that education...... Sure, but it was the education that lifted you out of the ordinary jobs. Without it you might be still mowing lawns! I did the same, and I think there's a place for those kind of jobs as a student. They are a means to an end and not what the study was referring to. I'm talking about accepting a rubbish job rather then waiting for a more desirable role. An example would be if I was suddenly out of work and decided to pick up hours in the Amazon warehouse. It would, from what I hear, likely be a path to burn out. Staying unemployed, looking after myself and spending the time tailoring resumes and preparing for a better job would pay off in well-being and probably financially too. Those hours in the warehouse aren't worth much. without that income from a "crap" job you would have no education at all except for a High School Diploma....
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Post by ellie on Dec 15, 2019 3:07:40 GMT -5
Sure, but it was the education that lifted you out of the ordinary jobs. Without it you might be still mowing lawns! I did the same, and I think there's a place for those kind of jobs as a student. They are a means to an end and not what the study was referring to. I'm talking about accepting a rubbish job rather then waiting for a more desirable role. An example would be if I was suddenly out of work and decided to pick up hours in the Amazon warehouse. It would, from what I hear, likely be a path to burn out. Staying unemployed, looking after myself and spending the time tailoring resumes and preparing for a better job would pay off in well-being and probably financially too. Those hours in the warehouse aren't worth much. without that income from a "crap" job you would have no education at all except for a High School Diploma.... No. We have, and I recieved, youth allowance welfare. But you digress, I'm not talking about students here.
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