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Post by Get off of TMB on Dec 4, 2019 21:07:00 GMT -5
Given the Protestant-Catholic polarization, I could see the meetings in the home as a simple low budget form of religion. The friends didn't dress much differently than the world in those days. TVs weren't invented. I see why the group spread rapidly across the English speaking lands. I believe lives were transformed for the better in some instances. The excommunication of Eddie Cooney in 1928 began a downward spiral of power concentration and isolation from mainstream society.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 21:41:51 GMT -5
You are right Gill, the 2x2 Church did fit better with society when it first began. Did not stand out like a sore thumb. As you say there was a big change when some Workers wanted power and control over people. And of course they promoted hatred of other Churches. My Parents professed around 1930, and the Workers caused quite a stir in those communities. Because they spit up families, some would have liked to tar and feather those Workers. And of course now the way is changing and blending in with our society. The only sensible thing to do, no joy in being out of kilter.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Dec 5, 2019 19:11:41 GMT -5
The ban on radio was the first new thing to be questioned by the senior workers. Then the TV and trousers on ladies. They were unable to stop the computer as they also used the computer for E Mail and plane tickets.
But in the early 1900s, the group saw explosive growth when the group was more mainstream. They wanted to keep the Victorian culture to some degree for decades.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 6, 2019 19:15:32 GMT -5
The ban on radio was the first new thing to be questioned by the senior workers. Then the TV and trousers on ladies. They were unable to stop the computer as they also used the computer for E Mail and plane tickets. But in the early 1900s, the group saw explosive growth when the group was more mainstream. They wanted to keep the Victorian culture to some degree for decades. Their biggest rout of converts were farmers and small community areas. A new entertainment for some in those communities.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 6, 2019 19:49:35 GMT -5
Given the Protestant-Catholic polarization, I could see the meetings in the home as a simple low budget form of religion. The friends didn't dress much differently than the world in those days. TVs weren't invented. I see why the group spread rapidly across the English speaking lands. I believe lives were transformed for the better in some instances. The excommunication of Eddie Cooney in 1928 began a downward spiral of power concentration and isolation from mainstream society. I do not know of any Catholics that professed in the early days of the 2x2's. As far as I am aware it was exclusive to the pressbuttons. I met workers such as Georgie Manning who had an absolute loathing for anything Catholic.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 6, 2019 20:03:14 GMT -5
Given the Protestant-Catholic polarization, I could see the meetings in the home as a simple low budget form of religion. The friends didn't dress much differently than the world in those days. TVs weren't invented. I see why the group spread rapidly across the English speaking lands. I believe lives were transformed for the better in some instances. The excommunication of Eddie Cooney in 1928 began a downward spiral of power concentration and isolation from mainstream society. I do not know of any Catholics that professed in the early days of the 2x2's. As far as I am aware it was exclusive to the pressbuttons. I met workers such as Georgie Manning who had an absolute loathing for anything Catholic. When I was small we had a older Irish sister worker who had been a Catholic, and by all reports was forced to leave Ireland to escape the revenge of her family. But you are right -- I always believed that the workers mostly avoided Catholic communities -- and minority groups as well in some places. I'm not old enough to remember the days when there were lots of conversions to the 2x2's.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 6, 2019 20:13:17 GMT -5
I do not know of any Catholics that professed in the early days of the 2x2's. As far as I am aware it was exclusive to the pressbuttons. I met workers such as Georgie Manning who had an absolute loathing for anything Catholic. When I was small we had a older Irish sister worker who had been a Catholic, and by all reports was forced to leave Ireland to escape the revenge of her family. But you are right -- I always believed that the workers mostly avoided Catholic communities -- and minority groups as well in some places. I'm not old enough to remember the days when there were lots of conversions to the 2x2's. She would be a rarity, almost as rare as hens teeth. It is interesting to see political developments in Eire. There's been some common sense law passed about abortion and homosexuality. Meanwhile Northern Ireland remains one of the west's most immature societies, along with the USA. One of the sticking points about Brexit is the Irish border and rightly so. If Brexit goes ahead there is a good chance that Northern Ireland will become part of Eire and Scotland will leave the UK as well. Johnson may become the first Prime Minister of England and that funny place in the hills to the west. The queen will not be amused.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 21:59:23 GMT -5
We were taught to avoid Catholics because of an attitude from our Parents who professed in the 1930’s. But how attitudes change with time. I spoke recently to a Worker who spent time in Brazil. He said there many areas they could not go without a Catholic with them. They had a close friendship with the Catholics. Great to see that what was a wrong attitude is being corrected. And of course all Christians should salute the Catholics for writing the original Bible..
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 6, 2019 22:14:57 GMT -5
A very long time ago I could name the names of every king/queen of England in order from William the Conqueror. By the time I was in high school I had already forgotten much of it.
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Post by snow on Dec 7, 2019 13:59:47 GMT -5
I lived in a small rural community that had a public school taught by nuns and they had catechism at the end of the day. I know for sure that my going to that school being taught by nuns was a problem with the workers. But there was no other place that it was practical to send me. I lived in a Catholic majority community so it made sense that we were taught by nuns even though it was a public school. I was really glad I could get out early though. I wasn't allowed to stay for catechism. Oh Darn!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 0:05:07 GMT -5
I went to a Public school. One of the best teachers we ever had was a Nun, Miss Brady. She had a strap that was tapered, narrow one end Peter, wide the other Paul. She would ask do you want Peter or Paul. You did not always get what you asked for, a good lesson in itself.
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Post by slowtosee on Dec 10, 2019 0:18:29 GMT -5
Circumstances in life , not by our choosing , (hospital setting )resulted in our family living in a building with nuns . It had been previously exclusively for catholic nuns , but because of lower numbersnow they had opened doors for others it was a great experience , sharing time and life with them and seeing the love and compassion for humanity they displayed , and observed . Walking a mile in another persons shoes , is a privilege and opportunity to learn soooo much . Recall one nunn smiling telling me after a “heart to heart visit”, “years ago I would have been in big trouble talking to a Protestant boy like you” lol Some of the residents there were on “death row” and the kindness and love and dignity shown etc , of those catholic people to us “heathen “ , I will not willingly ever forget . Alvin
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 10, 2019 0:35:12 GMT -5
Circumstances in life , not by our choosing , (hospital setting )resulted in our family living in a building with nuns . It had been previously exclusively for catholic nuns , but because of lower numbersnow they had opened doors for others it was a great experience , sharing time and life with them and seeing the love and compassion for humanity they displayed , and observed . Walking a mile in another persons shoes , is a privilege and opportunity to learn soooo much . Recall one nunn smiling telling me after a “heart to heart visit”, “years ago I would have been in big trouble talking to a Protestant boy like you” lol Some of the residents there were on “death row” and the kindness and love and dignity shown etc , of those catholic people to us “heathen “ , I will not willingly ever forget . Alvin I've worked with a good number of nuns, and they were all exceptionally gracious and competent. One rode with me to a teachers' conference 100 miles away, and she apologized for doing her morning whatever it was while we were travelling.
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Post by slowtosee on Dec 10, 2019 0:43:13 GMT -5
Circumstances in life , not by our choosing , (hospital setting )resulted in our family living in a building with nuns . It had been previously exclusively for catholic nuns , but because of lower numbersnow they had opened doors for others it was a great experience , sharing time and life with them and seeing the love and compassion for humanity they displayed , and observed . Walking a mile in another persons shoes , is a privilege and opportunity to learn soooo much . Recall one nunn smiling telling me after a “heart to heart visit”, “years ago I would have been in big trouble talking to a Protestant boy like you” lol Some of the residents there were on “death row” and the kindness and love and dignity shown etc , of those catholic people to us “heathen “ , I will not willingly ever forget . Alvin I've worked with a good number of nuns, and they were all exceptionally gracious and competent. One rode with me to a teachers' conference 100 miles away, and she apologized for doing her morning whatever it was while we were travelling. Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.” Mark Twain
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Post by Dennis J on Dec 10, 2019 2:40:27 GMT -5
Surely have completed my share of traveling. So many miles, so many experiences.
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Post by snow on Dec 10, 2019 13:34:01 GMT -5
I went to a Public school. One of the best teachers we ever had was a Nun, Miss Brady. She had a strap that was tapered, narrow one end Peter, wide the other Paul. She would ask do you want Peter or Paul. You did not always get what you asked for, a good lesson in itself. LOL our nuns were good with the strap also! They weren't bad teachers though. I lived in a French community so Sister or soeur in french. My first book was Mama, Papa, Bebe (with accents on the e's of course).
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 10, 2019 20:45:16 GMT -5
I went to a Public school. One of the best teachers we ever had was a Nun, Miss Brady. She had a strap that was tapered, narrow one end Peter, wide the other Paul. She would ask do you want Peter or Paul. You did not always get what you asked for, a good lesson in itself. LOL our nuns were good with the strap also! They weren't bad teachers though. I lived in a French community so Sister or soeur in french. My first book was Mama, Papa, Bebe (with accents on the e's of course). Ça serait une merveilleuse expérience.
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Post by fred on Dec 10, 2019 21:21:31 GMT -5
? Fr Grammar???
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Post by snow on Dec 10, 2019 21:21:34 GMT -5
LOL our nuns were good with the strap also! They weren't bad teachers though. I lived in a French community so Sister or soeur in french. My first book was Mama, Papa, Bebe (with accents on the e's of course). Ça serait une merveilleuse expérience. I have forgotten a lot of my french unfortunately but I do remember some of it. I did have a pretty good experience though
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Post by snow on Dec 10, 2019 21:22:24 GMT -5
? Fr Grammar??? It loosely translates as being a wonderful experience I believe.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 10, 2019 21:24:23 GMT -5
Ça serait une merveilleuse expérience. I have forgotten a lot of my french unfortunately but I do remember some of it. I did have a pretty good experience though My kids are both bilingual. The younger one didn't go to school in English until she was in grade 8 and we moved to Nevada. But living in Quebec (city) was wonderful for them.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 10, 2019 21:26:14 GMT -5
? Fr Grammar??? Closest translation: That would be a marvelous experience.
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Post by fred on Dec 10, 2019 21:26:54 GMT -5
? Fr Grammar??? It loosely translates as being a wonderful experience I believe. Yes, I know what it says, I was just wondering about the position of the adjective?
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Post by snow on Dec 10, 2019 21:31:31 GMT -5
I have forgotten a lot of my french unfortunately but I do remember some of it. I did have a pretty good experience though My kids are both bilingual. The younger one didn't go to school in English until she was in grade 8 and we moved to Nevada. But living in Quebec (city) was wonderful for them. I lived in a french community until I was around 10 and then we moved to a place where we didn't even take french until grade 8 and it was the Parisian french. I had a rather slangy version that my grade 8 french teacher tried in vain to stop. I took french until grade 11 because it was easy but I haven't spoken it since then so I have lost a lot. I was rather surprised how automatically we can answer if we don't think about it. I was in a resort in Mexico where the Canadians wore an orange wristband so the staff knew what language we spoke. Italians were blue, Germans were white etc. Of course Canada has two languages so every once in awhile a staff member would talk to me in French and it surprised me that I would answer them in french and then quickly, say 'oh I'm not french I'm english'. They would just chuckle. If I have to think about my answer though it's a challenge.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 10, 2019 21:32:04 GMT -5
It loosely translates as being a wonderful experience I believe. Yes, I know what it says, I was just wondering about the position of the adjective? Yeah. It would normally go after the noun, but some adjectives can change place to modify the meaning. I don't know what the rule is.
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Post by snow on Dec 10, 2019 21:32:22 GMT -5
It loosely translates as being a wonderful experience I believe. Yes, I know what it says, I was just wondering about the position of the adjective? Ah well I think Bob has answered that for us both.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 10, 2019 21:39:58 GMT -5
My kids are both bilingual. The younger one didn't go to school in English until she was in grade 8 and we moved to Nevada. But living in Quebec (city) was wonderful for them. I lived in a french community until I was around 10 and then we moved to a place where we didn't even take french until grade 8 and it was the Parisian french. I had a rather slangy version that my grade 8 french teacher tried in vain to stop. I took french until grade 11 because it was easy but I haven't spoken it since then so I have lost a lot. I was rather surprised how automatically we can answer if we don't think about it. I was in a resort in Mexico where the Canadians wore an orange wristband so the staff knew what language we spoke. Italians were blue, Germans were white etc. Of course Canada has two languages so every once in awhile a staff member would talk to me in French and it surprised me that I would answer them in french and then quickly, say 'oh I'm not french I'm english'. They would just chuckle. If I have to think about my answer though it's a challenge. One's "passive" vocabulary is always greater than their "active" vocabulary. That's why English-speaking people complain when someone understands what they've said but they can't answer in English. My opinion of what a lot of people refer to as "Parisian" French really is no more Parisian than Canadian French -- it should more properly be referred to as stilted over enunciated French. Granted, street language is always different from educated and business language, but what most people learn of Parisian French in North America will do you no more good in Paris than regular educated conversational Canadian French.
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Post by snow on Dec 10, 2019 21:46:55 GMT -5
I lived in a french community until I was around 10 and then we moved to a place where we didn't even take french until grade 8 and it was the Parisian french. I had a rather slangy version that my grade 8 french teacher tried in vain to stop. I took french until grade 11 because it was easy but I haven't spoken it since then so I have lost a lot. I was rather surprised how automatically we can answer if we don't think about it. I was in a resort in Mexico where the Canadians wore an orange wristband so the staff knew what language we spoke. Italians were blue, Germans were white etc. Of course Canada has two languages so every once in awhile a staff member would talk to me in French and it surprised me that I would answer them in french and then quickly, say 'oh I'm not french I'm english'. They would just chuckle. If I have to think about my answer though it's a challenge. One's "passive" vocabulary is always greater than their "active" vocabulary. That's why English-speaking people complain when someone understands what they've said but they can't answer in English. My opinion of what a lot of people refer to as "Parisian" French really is no more Parisian than Canadian French -- it should more properly be referred to as stilted over enunciated French. Granted, street language is always different from educated and business language, but what most people learn of Parisian French in North America will do you no more good in Paris than regular educated conversational Canadian French. That's interesting to know. My teacher always got on my case about how I pronounced things and I was at that point still very fluent in french. I just didn't say it the way she thought it should be said. The next year that wasn't an issue because I had a better pronunciation than the french teacher. It was kind of interesting to hear a french teacher teaching french with an Australian accent.
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