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Post by matisse on Nov 30, 2019 12:15:21 GMT -5
The origin of life and origin of the universe are fascinating topics that will be studied and debated for centuries to come. What we can dismiss much more easily is the lying Bible. Accounts like the flood/ark and the Tower of Babel are stunningly stupid and obviously fabricated, invalidating this book of lies. Given that the Hebrew Bible begins with two different accounts of "The Creation", I don't think the proponents were trying to fool anyone into taking these or other stories literally. So I don't see the Bible as lying. I say dismiss the people who despite deliberate inconsistencies, insist on taking the words literally! As far as I can tell, most (all?) of the Bible literalists have neither cultural nor ancestral connections to the Hebrew people, but audaciously presume to understand the Hebrew Scriptures better than people who DO have the cultural and ancestral connections.
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Post by snow on Nov 30, 2019 15:18:55 GMT -5
Yes, when it comes to God and Eternity and so on is ALL garbage to you atheists. However, After you die your soul will find out the reality of Hades, about heaven, and Judgement day. Well, Don't say we didn't warn you, curly.
~~ Jesus The Great " I AM " God (From The Dead Sea Scrolls found in caves 1947)
I, the Lord God of creation, who was and who is and who shall always be the one true God, the mind, the very center of the Universe, speaks to your own heart. The words that I have spoken to my prophets Moses and others were that he should recognize that the great “I Am.” filled his being with the power and the authority to open his mouth in my name and to proclaim his words as a living words that I placed deeply within him.
I have in times past spoken through the mouths of my prophets and then through the mouths of my apostles. Now the times and seasons are approaching, as are the reasons, when my words shall again be spoken by my obedient prophets and apostles. Their words shall be my words and their deeds that shall be my deeds, because I have spoken this thing before the World was ever formed. Those words that I now speak shall be hidden for a season and then shall be revealed in the last times
I shall cause the Earth to quake and the sunlight, which represents the new dawning, shall shine brightly upon those who are appointed to carry my words from the darkness of the caves to the bright sunlight of my new revelation to all mankind and mankind shall read and they shall study those words and they shall find that they are the words that will cause an awakening to occur in the minds of mankind.
It has been said in times past that I am in the wind and I am in the fire and I am into the waters. These words are not true. The truth of this matter is that I am the wind. I am the fire. I am the water. I am in everything and in everything that exists. When you touch the mountain, you touch me. When you are touching the water, you are touching me. When you touch the fire, you are touching me. I am the Lord of the Universe and there is not one place that I am not. I am not in the flowers, the plants, the fruit of the land, but I am the flowers. I am the plants. I am the fruit of the land. Mankind will climb into the heavens. I am not in the heavenly, but I am the heavenly. When I created man from the dust of the Earth, I was the dust of the Earth and I was and am the breath of life that causes mankind to live.
Say not that the Lord your God is in the heavens or on the Earth. I am the heavens and I am the Earth. Now you have received the true revelation of my word, which was spoken to you in times past. The word said that I am everywhere present. I am omnipresent. I am not part of myself, but rather I am the whole of the Universe. Wherever you look, wherever you come or go, whatever you do or say, I am there in the midst of you because I am not only in, but rather I am you!
It shall be written in the future that man is the universe. I say to you that I do not dwell in the universe of mankind, but I am that Universe of Mankind, and there is no separation whatsoever. These words that I have spoken to you at this time and in this place are that you might believe the truth of the message that as my Father is one with me so is the Spirit one with me. Now I am likewise in you and you are in me and that means I am one and you are with me. Have I not spoken these words in the past that I am in you and you are in me? (John 17:21) Jesus said, " That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." Let this testimony be with you forever and forever, as we together traverse the streets of that sojourn from dawn to night. Be at peace and look deeply within yourself and you will find me.
Again I have spoken the words in the past that you are indeed gods. I am your God. This revelation is of utmost importance and you must believe the whole truth as I have spoken it in your pure hearing. I say to you, allow the vibrations of your spirit, your inner ear, be unstopped and hear what the Spirit says to you at this hour. I am the center of your universe, because I am the whole of your universe. Know this, for this is the word of the living God, the Creator of all things which are. In time and seasons to come this word will be revealed to you and you shall behold the brightness of this truth, and you shall say, “This is the light for which I have long awaited. This is the revelation that will hold and maintain me through every experience of life.”
Beware, there are those who would destroy this truth, but they shall not be able to destroy this truth because the truth abides in you and you abide in the truth. I have spoken in times past. And I have said that the truth shall cause many to walk in freedom, out of darkness and satanic bondage. And they shall have no further influence or rule over you. I have spoken these truths by the words of my lips and these words are true. Accept them and you shall live in peace, in joy and in victory over all things. Amen!
Harry Potter will rule the world. Even the Catholics seem to know just how powerful Harry is! This world is just getting crazier and crazier. www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/harry-potter-banned-school-library-nashville-tennessee-exorcist-a9087676.html
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 15:42:55 GMT -5
I’m not looking for scientific answers. I’m merely looking for intelligent answers which have some basis in fact or some supporting evidence. So far you have provided nothing. And therefore your mythical creation theory is of no more value than the theory that new babies are brought to household on the backs of storks. It’s simply a belief. Not a fact. And you are still unable to explain how something came from nothing nor are you able to explain the spiritually enacted process. At least we have now established that you believe (your) God created life by magic which explains quite a lot. For years I have pondered how donkeys can talk, how dead bodies can rise from graves days into the decomposition process and how human beings can turn into pillars of salt. And now we have the answer. Magic. This really does explain many of the mysteries of Christianity. I have to say that I remain bemused at how you came to the conclusion that life began 6 to 13 thousand years ago in view of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary as I am familiar with every book of the bible having had to ensure years of (very boring) bible study in my youth and I have never came across that written anywhere. Anyway I’d be interested to know the details of your revelation including what form it took. Most people I know that claim revelation turn out to have had a solely internal experience with no outside factors involved. This can only mean the absence of any external God. It inevitably involves no audible sounds and no visible signs but merely a mixture of thoughts inside their head and a warm fuzzy feeling in their abdomen. Needless to say these thoughts are inevitably a result of expose to the concept of the Christian God and the teachings of the bible which explains why no Yanomami Indian or Sentinelese people ever receive such a revelation. Anyway the floor is yours to reveal more about your revelation. Matt10 sure you do 'intelligent answers" "based in fact" "supporting evidence" "not fact" we all know what you were looking for despite my comments to the contrary. the spiritually enacted process is explained in genesis 1. sorry to burst your bubble but magic is your word not mine. ah since you don't know about the 6-13 thousand years i see you haven't read the bible nor understand it. that makes it very hard to grasp anything i have said which is sad. if you didn't know it a number of yanomami have converted to christianity after having a revelation. you should update your rhetoric. the Sentinelese will get their chance sooner or later despite their actions as of late..... What I was looking for was a detailed description of the revelation that you claim to have received that persuaded you to believe that the bible was literally true. Unsurprisingly no such details were forthcoming. This is inevitably the case when I press religious believers for details of their revelations. It supports the view that such revelations are merely religious delusions and no external God is involved. It follows that those who claim religious revelations are deluded. I know that religious delusion is real because I was once religiously deluded myself. As regards use of the term ‘magic’, I think you consented to the use of the term because you were unable to explain the difference between ‘magic’ and ‘spiritually enacted process’. It seems to me the two terms are interchangeable because both processes are unexplained and unexplainable while both also produce results which defy logic and the laws of both science and nature. They say if something walks like a duck and talks like a duck it must be a duck. It follows that if something walks like magic and talks like magic then it must be magic. Finally can you point me to the chapter and verse of the bible which confirms that the world is 13,000 years old (or is it less than half that? - this is a huge margin of error by anyone’s standards) so I can look it up? I must say that I find in bizarre that anyone would believe that the only way one can find the true age of the earth is by looking it up in the bible. This would mean that no scientific community, no matter how scientifically advanced, could ever find out the true age of the earth if they hadn’t read the bible. You do start to wonder how the biblical authors of long ago worked out the age of the earth. I doubt very much that they had access to carbon dating. Did they just guess? Perhaps you can also help me out with that. I’d also be interested in you providing verifiable evidence of a Yanomami indian who had received a revelation from the Christian God without first being exposed to the very influential teachings of the Christian church and duped into believing. I’m confident no such evidence exists. Matt10
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 30, 2019 15:46:39 GMT -5
Catholics don't like the competition.
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Post by snow on Nov 30, 2019 15:54:58 GMT -5
Catholics don't like the competition. Apparently not. What concerns me some if my very literalist Christian sister posted this on FB this morning. It seems she agrees that spells and curses are in fact a thing that is true and Harry Potter books actually contain spells and curses that the family needs to be aware of. Warning my nieces and nephews to make sure they don't read Harry Potter to my great Nieces and Nephews. It's so hard to just say nothing when I see so many things like this that they believe. They don't teach a lot of the science in their home schooling. Evolution is a dirty word around them for example. Geography that proves our earth is anything but 13,000 years old etc.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 30, 2019 15:59:39 GMT -5
Catholics don't like the competition. Apparently not. What concerns me some if my very literalist Christian sister posted this on FB this morning. It seems she agrees that spells and curses are in fact a thing that is true and Harry Potter books actually contain spells and curses that the family needs to be aware of. Warning my nieces and nephews to make sure they don't read Harry Potter to my great Nieces and Nephews. It's so hard to just say nothing when I see so many things like this that they believe. They don't teach a lot of the science in their home schooling. Evolution is a dirty word around them for example. Geography that proves our earth is anything but 13,000 years old etc. It seems the belief in such magical powers is most prevalent among religious people.
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Post by snow on Nov 30, 2019 16:08:22 GMT -5
Apparently not. What concerns me some if my very literalist Christian sister posted this on FB this morning. It seems she agrees that spells and curses are in fact a thing that is true and Harry Potter books actually contain spells and curses that the family needs to be aware of. Warning my nieces and nephews to make sure they don't read Harry Potter to my great Nieces and Nephews. It's so hard to just say nothing when I see so many things like this that they believe. They don't teach a lot of the science in their home schooling. Evolution is a dirty word around them for example. Geography that proves our earth is anything but 13,000 years old etc. It seems the belief in such magical powers is most prevalent among religious people. Well the bible talks about demons, witches, spells and curses, so it is understandable that they would still think such things are possible if they believe they were true in their bible. My concern is where do people draw the line in what they believe? If they believe these things are true, what else do they believe about what to do to people who are the source of supposed spells, curses etc.? That's one reason I think it's unfortunate that religion requires one to suspend logic by just having faith and believing this kind of stuff. Where do you draw the line in what you believe is possible. We see that coming out in Nathan who has entirely fallen for the belief that planets can be hollow and God and Jesus live in the middle of one. Superstitions become truth for some people.
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Post by nathan on Nov 30, 2019 17:21:03 GMT -5
It seems the belief in such magical powers is most prevalent among religious people. Well the bible talks about demons, witches, spells and curses, so it is understandable that they would still think such things are possible if they believe they were true in their bible. My concern is where do people draw the line in what they believe? If they believe these things are true, what else do they believe about what to do to people who are the source of supposed spells, curses etc.? That's one reason I think it's unfortunate that religion requires one to suspend logic by just having faith and believing this kind of stuff. Where do you draw the line in what you believe is possible. We see that coming out in Nathan who has entirely fallen for the belief that planets can be hollow and God and Jesus live in the middle of one. Superstitions become truth for some people. ** Humans are 3-D beings, so ours vision is very limited. There are over 20 dimensions are out there that we can't see or KNOW about. Just like in the Old Test Elisha and his servant stayed in a certain village and they were surrounded by the enemy army ready to capture and kill them. The servant was very afraid for their lives, then Elisha prayed to God to open his eyes to see an invible army of holy angels surround their enemy army to kill them if they about to harm them. When the servant SAW the holy angels army surrounding the enemy he was no longer afraid for their lives.
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Post by snow on Nov 30, 2019 17:24:49 GMT -5
Well the bible talks about demons, witches, spells and curses, so it is understandable that they would still think such things are possible if they believe they were true in their bible. My concern is where do people draw the line in what they believe? If they believe these things are true, what else do they believe about what to do to people who are the source of supposed spells, curses etc.? That's one reason I think it's unfortunate that religion requires one to suspend logic by just having faith and believing this kind of stuff. Where do you draw the line in what you believe is possible. We see that coming out in Nathan who has entirely fallen for the belief that planets can be hollow and God and Jesus live in the middle of one. Superstitions become truth for some people. ** Humans are 3-D beings, so ours vision is very limited. There are over 20 dimensions are out there that we can't see or KNOW about. Just like in the Old Test Elisha and his servant stayed in a certain village and they were surrounded by the enemy army ready to capture and kill them. The servant was very afraid for their lives, then Elisha prayed to God to open his eyes to see an invible army of holy angels surround their enemy army to kill them if they about to harm them. When the servant SAW the holy angels army surrounding the enemy he was no longer afraid for their lives. There is no evidence that any of your '20 dimensions' has your Christian God in it though. It all has to be believed on faith. And what's the point of having to believe in something there is no evidence for?
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Post by nathan on Nov 30, 2019 17:39:53 GMT -5
** Humans are 3-D beings, so ours vision is very limited. There are over 20 dimensions are out there that we can't see or KNOW about. Just like in the Old Test Elisha and his servant stayed in a certain village and they were surrounded by the enemy army ready to capture and kill them. The servant was very afraid for their lives, then Elisha prayed to God to open his eyes to see an invible army of holy angels surround their enemy army to kill them if they about to harm them. When the servant SAW the holy angels army surrounding the enemy he was no longer afraid for their lives. There is no evidence that any of your '20 dimensions' has your Christian God in it though. It all has to be believed on faith. And what's the point of having to believe in something there is no evidence for? My God and Savior Christ Jesus said He is the CREATOR! of ALL things which are visible and invisible to the naked eyes. I believe in his words because He is God the 2nd Person of the Godhead. Christ/God doesn't LIE.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 18:17:39 GMT -5
sure you do 'intelligent answers" "based in fact" "supporting evidence" "not fact" we all know what you were looking for despite my comments to the contrary. the spiritually enacted process is explained in genesis 1. sorry to burst your bubble but magic is your word not mine. ah since you don't know about the 6-13 thousand years i see you haven't read the bible nor understand it. that makes it very hard to grasp anything i have said which is sad. if you didn't know it a number of yanomami have converted to christianity after having a revelation. you should update your rhetoric. the Sentinelese will get their chance sooner or later despite their actions as of late..... What I was looking for was a detailed description of the revelation that you claim to have received that persuaded you to believe that the bible was literally true. Unsurprisingly no such details were forthcoming. This is inevitably the case when I press religious believers for details of their revelations. It supports the view that such revelations are merely religious delusions and no external God is involved. It follows that those who claim religious revelations are deluded. I know that religious delusion is real because I was once religiously deluded myself. As regards use of the term ‘magic’, I think you consented to the use of the term because you were unable to explain the difference between ‘magic’ and ‘spiritually enacted process’. It seems to me the two terms are interchangeable because both processes are unexplained and unexplainable while both also produce results which defy logic and the laws of both science and nature. They say if something walks like a duck and talks like a duck it must be a duck. It follows that if something walks like magic and talks like magic then it must be magic. Finally can you point me to the chapter and verse of the bible which confirms that the world is 13,000 years old (or is it less than half that? - this is a huge margin of error by anyone’s standards) so I can look it up? I must say that I find in bizarre that anyone would believe that the only way one can find the true age of the earth is by looking it up in the bible. This would mean that no scientific community, no matter how scientifically advanced, could ever find out the true age of the earth if they hadn’t read the bible. You do start to wonder how the biblical authors of long ago worked out the age of the earth. I doubt very much that they had access to carbon dating. Did they just guess? Perhaps you can also help me out with that. I’d also be interested in you providing verifiable evidence of a Yanomami indian who had received a revelation from the Christian God without first being exposed to the very influential teachings of the Christian church and duped into believing. I’m confident no such evidence exists. Matt10 lets be honest you were looking for a scientific explanation that lines up with your nature god otherwise you wouldn't have said:"both processes are unexplained and unexplainable while both also produce results which defy logic and the laws of both science and nature." and i told you to expect a faith base answer that lines up with my God...nice try though for the 6,000 years belief you only have to go through the genealogy of christ to grasp that. for the 13,000 year old claim you have to grasp that 1,000 years is as a day a day is as a 1,000 years according to the Lord both are in the bible. so 7 days of creation could equal 7,000 years. do the math. for someone who says they've read the bible you sure do miss a lot. but then we know why that is don't we? when exposed to anything you can still receive an epiphany/revelation about things thats what has happened to at least one tribe of yanomami indian godreports.com/2018/09/how-the-gospel-reached-the-brutal-skull-splitters-tribe-in-the-amazon/i did say YOU could use the term magic but i would stick with spiritually enacted process don't apply your word to me thank you....
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Post by Ed on Dec 6, 2019 16:54:59 GMT -5
"Barrow and Tippler, two physicists in their book the Anthropic Cosmological Principle list ten steps in the course of human evolution each of which is so improbable that before it would occur, the sun would have ceased to be a main sequence star and incinerated the earth. And they calculate the probability of the evolution of the human genome to be somewhere between 4^-180^110,000 and 4^-360^110,000. So if evolution did occur on this planet, it was literally a miracle." “To get the first cell, you need DNA and RNA and protein. You need DNA to make RNA to make protein but you also need protein to make DNA. Coming up with that out of a process of random mutation and natural selection is just not possible.” Ann Gauger, Bachelor's degree from MIT and Ph.D. from the University of Washington Department of Zoology. She held a postdoctoral fellowship at Harvard University, where her work was on the molecular motor kinesin And others.. Dr James Tour at Syracuse UniversitySeven Nobel Laureates in science who either supported Intelligent Design or attacked Darwinian evolutionAs Benar says, reading can seriously damage your ignorance. ☺
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 11:45:39 GMT -5
"Barrow and Tippler, two physicists in their book the Anthropic Cosmological Principle list ten steps in the course of human evolution each of which is so improbable that before it would occur, the sun would have ceased to be a main sequence star and incinerated the earth. And they calculate the probability of the evolution of the human genome to be somewhere between 4^-180^110,000 and 4^-360^110,000. So if evolution did occur on this planet, it was literally a miracle." “To get the first cell, you need DNA and RNA and protein. You need DNA to make RNA to make protein but you also need protein to make DNA. Coming up with that out of a process of random mutation and natural selection is just not possible.” Ann Gauger, Bachelor's degree from MIT and Ph.D. from the University of Washington Department of Zoology. She held a postdoctoral fellowship at Harvard University, where her work was on the molecular motor kinesin And others.. Dr James Tour at Syracuse UniversitySeven Nobel Laureates in science who either supported Intelligent Design or attacked Darwinian evolutionAs Benar says, reading can seriously damage your ignorance. ☺ Dr. Ann Gauger needs to remember that the intermediate, RNA, can function as both enzyme and code. In fact, there are a whole subset of enzymes called "ribozymes". The molecules that code for the amino acids in the protein (mRNA), form a major portion of the ribosomes which link said amino acids together (rRNA), and transport them to the ribosomes (tRNA) are ALL RNA. This is taught in biology for NON-majors, let alone majors. As is taught the RNA World Concept, which suggests that the middle molecule in the DNA -> RNA -> Protein sequence (RNA) was most likely first, having code and catalytic functions. It isn't that we even must have DNA, but the stability and protection afforded by a double strand which can be separate spatially and distinct chemically from RNA (yet 'read' the same) is obvious. Families of viruses do not use DNA at all, DNA for them being an unnecessary expenditure for transient life in a cell they will shortly destroy.
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Post by Brick on Dec 7, 2019 15:18:04 GMT -5
ummm if evilution didn't start life as we know it then what did? God God, Man! The Engineers, of course! Get with the times, will ya?
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Post by rational on Dec 12, 2019 20:33:27 GMT -5
I say dismiss the people who despite deliberate inconsistencies, insist on taking the words literally! Of interest: Imagine parts of your DNA not belonging to you. When Chris Long from Reno, Nevada, took DNA and semen samples much of his DNA came back stating he was, in fact, a German man Long had never met, putting into question Long's own identity.
The reason behind this strange exchange is that the German man is, in fact, a donor who had donated bone marrow to Long four years ago.Some interesting implications.Imagine 4 years after a bone marrow procedure that you have a child and your half of the DNA is from someone else. 23-and Me shows the other person's DNA. so much for DNA being yours and yours alone. If it happens by chance how long will it be before it can be purchased. Give your children an upgraded parent!
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 12, 2019 20:45:00 GMT -5
God God, Man! The Engineers, of course! Get with the times, will ya? Brick, -you absolutely amaze me!
Not only with you sharp posts but also just how do you manage to even type a post since you have on a straight jacket?
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Post by matisse on Dec 12, 2019 20:48:05 GMT -5
I say dismiss the people who despite deliberate inconsistencies, insist on taking the words literally! Of interest: Imagine parts of your DNA not belonging to you. When Chris Long from Reno, Nevada, took DNA and semen samples much of his DNA came back stating he was, in fact, a German man Long had never met, putting into question Long's own identity.
The reason behind this strange exchange is that the German man is, in fact, a donor who had donated bone marrow to Long four years ago.Some interesting implications.Imagine 4 years after a bone marrow procedure that you have a child and your half of the DNA is from someone else. 23-and Me shows the other person's DNA. so much for DNA being yours and yours alone. If it happens by chance how long will it be before it can be purchased. Give your children an upgraded parent! I saw a piece about this the other day. Pretty wild!
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