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Post by Get off of TMB on Nov 23, 2019 19:48:06 GMT -5
For those of you who remained in the Truth after leaving the work, how did you feel about sermons on the issue of the needs of the harvest field? Did you feel guilty that you weren't able to continue in the ministry?
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Post by speak on Nov 23, 2019 19:55:37 GMT -5
For those of you who remained in the Truth after leaving the work, how did you feel about sermons on the issue of the needs of the harvest field? Did you feel guilty that you weren't able to continue in the ministry? They have no need to feel guilty of doing their best, if that were the case then that would be the doing of satan. I have never heard yet a sermon on the needs of the harvest field.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 23, 2019 20:07:14 GMT -5
For those of you who remained in the Truth after leaving the work, how did you feel about sermons on the issue of the needs of the harvest field? Did you feel guilty that you weren't able to continue in the ministry? They have no need to feel guilty of doing their best, if that were the case then that would be the doing of satan. I have never heard yet a sermon on the needs of the harvest field. OMG! Speak!
If you "have never heard yet a sermon on the needs of the harvest field," -you are either completely deaf, not listening, or dissembling!
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Post by speak on Nov 23, 2019 20:27:47 GMT -5
They have no need to feel guilty of doing their best, if that were the case then that would be the doing of satan. I have never heard yet a sermon on the needs of the harvest field. OMG! Speak!
If you "have never heard yet a sermon on the needs of the harvest field," -you are either completely deaf, not listening, or dissembling!You'er starting to sound like nathan.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 20:36:30 GMT -5
"I wonder what people who like to take chances and go outside their comfort zone think when they hear the workers speak of 'staying in your place'"?
[Speak]: "I've never ever heard that said"
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 24, 2019 2:00:29 GMT -5
OMG! Speak!
If you "have never heard yet a sermon on the needs of the harvest field," -you are either completely deaf, not listening, or dissembling!You'er starting to sound like nathan.
Hardly. Speak, -either you haven't sit in as many meetings as I have or else if is precisely as I said; --you are either completely deaf, not listening, or dissembling.
Sorry, but I tend believe that it isn't the first two reasons but rather the last one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 2:13:07 GMT -5
You'er starting to sound like nathan.
Hardly. Speak, -either you haven't sit in as many meetings as I have or else if is precisely as I said; --you are either completely deaf, not listening, or dissembling.
Sorry, but I tend believe that it isn't the first two reasons but rather the last one.
well maybe it should have been said this way: have never heard yet a DEDICATED/WHOLE sermon on the needs of the harvest field...i myself have NEVER heard a WHOLE sermon on the harvest field. i have heard workers mention in 1-2-3 lines about the harvest field from the platform at convention...
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 24, 2019 2:27:52 GMT -5
Hardly. Speak, -either you haven't sit in as many meetings as I have or else if is precisely as I said; --you are either completely deaf, not listening, or dissembling.
Sorry, but I tend believe that it isn't the first two reasons but rather the last one.
well maybe it should have been said this way: have never heard yet a DEDICATED/WHOLE sermon on the needs of the harvest field...i myself have NEVER heard a WHOLE sermon on the harvest field. i have heard workers mention in 1-2-3 lines about the harvest field from the platform at convention... Wally, -you are spitting hairs.
It was NOT just casually made within another sermon!
It was the very reason that so many young people went into the work so young they were still wet behind the ears!
It nearly happened to me!
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Post by Pragmatic on Nov 24, 2019 2:32:09 GMT -5
To be honest I can not recall it being mentioned either, except in a convention in the US once. I don't recall it in our own country, in mission meetings or convention meetings.
A visiting worker from the US did mention it once at Ngaere convention I was told, but I wasn't in the meeting.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 2:32:15 GMT -5
well maybe it should have been said this way: have never heard yet a DEDICATED/WHOLE sermon on the needs of the harvest field...i myself have NEVER heard a WHOLE sermon on the harvest field. i have heard workers mention in 1-2-3 lines about the harvest field from the platform at convention... Wally, -you are spitting hairs.
It was NOT just casually made within another sermon!
It was the very reason that so many young people went into the work so young they were still wet behind the ears!
It nearly happened to me! and you know what speak and myself have heard from the platform over the last few decades? and becareful gene is on grammar patrol today so make sure you spell everything right...
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 24, 2019 2:42:47 GMT -5
Wally, -you are spitting hairs.
It was NOT just casually made within another sermon!
It was the very reason that so many young people went into the work so young they were still wet behind the ears!
It nearly happened to me! and you know what speak and myself have heard from the platform over the last few decades? and be careful gene is on grammar patrol today so make sure you spell everything right... Misspelling a word is not about grammar but thanks for calling my attention to it. How do you know that I haven't been to a convention in the past few decades?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 2:49:22 GMT -5
and you know what speak and myself have heard from the platform over the last few decades? and be careful gene is on grammar patrol today so make sure you spell everything right... Misspelling a word is not about grammar but thanks for calling my attention to it. How do you know that I haven't been to a convention in the past few decades?
don't know. now back to my question: and you know what speak and myself have heard from the platform over the last few decades? are you gonna answer it or dodge it? well hes hitting everything today so don't say i didn't tell you ahead of time...
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Post by Alan Vandermyden on Nov 24, 2019 3:07:09 GMT -5
For those of you who remained in the Truth after leaving the work, how did you feel about sermons on the issue of the needs of the harvest field? Did you feel guilty that you weren't able to continue in the ministry Not exactly guilty, but it did feel a bit odd on occasion. I didn't feel guilt, as I had dealt with it with God, and people's words didn't affect that, though it can require effort to not let people's words bother us. And I didn't hear it that often in the 11 years after discontinuing as a worker but still attending meetings. Then, there was hymn # 318, stanza 4 - "Let your life be one of service, in the master's harvest field." This didn't exactly make me feel "guilty," but I did feel a bit odd singing it. I will add too that I found the friends and workers to be very supportive. One lady (she and her husband were good friends of mine) told me they were disappointed I had left. Two people told me I had left my place, but they were the type of people I would expect to make a remark like that, and it didn't really bother me.
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Post by fred on Nov 24, 2019 3:08:40 GMT -5
They have no need to feel guilty of doing their best, if that were the case then that would be the doing of satan. I have never heard yet a sermon on the needs of the harvest field. OMG! Speak!
If you "have never heard yet a sermon on the needs of the harvest field," -you are either completely deaf, not listening, or dissembling!A recent convention had at least two workers speaking about the needs of the harvest - nothing new, happens regularly.
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Post by Alan Vandermyden on Nov 24, 2019 3:21:22 GMT -5
OMG! Speak!
If you "have never heard yet a sermon on the needs of the harvest field," -you are either completely deaf, not listening, or dissembling!A recent convention had at least two workers speaking about the needs of the harvest - nothing new, happens regularly. Just before my junior year in high school, at Gilroy convention I heard nothing but "the need of the harvest," while my friends didn't hear it at all! I knew I had would have to deal with this someday, and it hit me like a ton of bricks the day before school started, while my younger brother and I were dismantling a white-rail fence. I struggled with it for awhile.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 24, 2019 3:35:33 GMT -5
OMG! Speak!
If you "have never heard yet a sermon on the needs of the harvest field," -you are either completely deaf, not listening, or dissembling!A recent convention had at least two workers speaking about the needs of the harvest - nothing new, happens regularly. Hi fred, haven't heard from you for awhile ! Good to see you are still around 😃
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 24, 2019 4:07:21 GMT -5
They have no need to feel guilty of doing their best, if that were the case then that would be the doing of satan. I have never heard yet a sermon on the needs of the harvest field. OMG! Speak!
If you "have never heard yet a sermon on the needs of the harvest field," -you are either completely deaf, not listening, or dissembling!I have to agree. I don’t remember one convention that the harvest field and it’s needs weren’t mentioned, except maybe one! Always a sermon or two with Jesus words about the harvest fields were already white and no one to harvest. Speak has had a lot of things he’s never heard most of us grew up with. 🙄
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 24, 2019 4:13:33 GMT -5
Hardly. Speak, -either you haven't sit in as many meetings as I have or else if is precisely as I said; --you are either completely deaf, not listening, or dissembling.
Sorry, but I tend believe that it isn't the first two reasons but rather the last one.
well maybe it should have been said this way: have never heard yet a DEDICATED/WHOLE sermon on the needs of the harvest field...i myself have NEVER heard a WHOLE sermon on the harvest field. i have heard workers mention in 1-2-3 lines about the harvest field from the platform at convention... I’ve heard a couple or three whole sermons on the harvest fields, it usually was by a brother worker who worked in a foreign country and he found it hard to go wherever he thought might be interest, or had so much interest he couldn’t get to all of them. Of course he’d tell the story about how they came to gospel meetings, furst testimonies and baptisms etc. but it was a buildup that workers were needed in those fields. One was so good at it, they got a couple newbie workers offered directly to him, I think one year. And I think one did go to his country his second year out.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 24, 2019 4:17:12 GMT -5
For those of you who remained in the Truth after leaving the work, how did you feel about sermons on the issue of the needs of the harvest field? Did you feel guilty that you weren't able to continue in the ministry Not exactly guilty, but it did feel a bit odd on occasion. I didn't feel guilt, as I had dealt with it with God, and people's words didn't affect that, though it can require effort to not let people's words bother us. And I didn't hear it that often in the 11 years after discontinuing as a worker but still attending meetings. Then, there was hymn # 318, stanza 4 - "Let your life be one of service, in the master's harvest field." This didn't exactly make me feel "guilty," but I did feel a bit odd singing it. I will add too that I found the friends and workers to be very supportive. One lady (she and her husband were good friends of mine) told me they were disappointed I had left. Two people told me I had left my place, but they were the type of people I would expect to make a remark like that, and it didn't really bother me. Seems some people don’t realize that a well can run a bit dry after being stressed to the max or overused!
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Post by Pragmatic on Nov 24, 2019 4:56:12 GMT -5
OMG! Speak!
If you "have never heard yet a sermon on the needs of the harvest field," -you are either completely deaf, not listening, or dissembling!I have to agree. I don’t remember one convention that the harvest field and it’s needs weren’t mentioned, except maybe one! Always a sermon or two with Jesus words about the harvest fields were already white and no one to harvest. Speak has had a lot of things he’s never heard most of us grew up with. 🙄 Probably because Speak, and I, live in NZ
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 24, 2019 5:29:43 GMT -5
I have to agree. I don’t remember one convention that the harvest field and it’s needs weren’t mentioned, except maybe one! Always a sermon or two with Jesus words about the harvest fields were already white and no one to harvest. Speak has had a lot of things he’s never heard most of us grew up with. 🙄 Probably because Speak, and I, live in NZ That may account for it because I know that we certainly heard it enough in our conventions here in the Midwest US. Did very many go into the work in NZ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 11:52:30 GMT -5
[Member] "Bah humbug! I've dozed through many a convention and gospel meeting and never once heard such things!"
[Bitter ex] "What about when people hear the word 'truth' used to reference both their group AND Jesus without clearly differentiating? "
[Member] "Nope. Not ringing any bells"
[Bitter ex] "Emphasis on the importance of meetings in the home? The true sent ministry?"
[Member] "I've literally never heard those words until just now..."
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Post by nathan on Nov 24, 2019 12:16:55 GMT -5
For those of you who remained in the Truth after leaving the work, how did you feel about sermons on the issue of the needs of the harvest field? Did you feel guilty that you weren't able to continue in the ministry Not exactly guilty, but it did feel a bit odd on occasion. I didn't feel guilt, as I had dealt with it with God, and people's words didn't affect that, though it can require effort to not let people's words bother us. And I didn't hear it that often in the 11 years after discontinuing as a worker but still attending meetings. Then, there was hymn # 318, stanza 4 - "Let your life be one of service, in the master's harvest field." This didn't exactly make me feel "guilty," but I did feel a bit odd singing it. I will add too that I found the friends and workers to be very supportive. One lady (she and her husband were good friends of mine) told me they were disappointed I had left. Two people told me I had left my place, but they were the type of people I would expect to make a remark like that, and it didn't really bother me. Amen, it is very interesting to realize the people on here, the friends who criticize the ex-workers for leaving the work but they HAD never been a worker for a day in the work themselves. They don't understand or KNOW what the worker's life is all about, the stress they had to face and endure. Those who don't KNOW the situation or what God has other plans for the ex-workers.
The work is NOT the ONLY useful place on earth! I found that out myself. God can make ex-workers to be very useful wherever he has planted them. When I was a worker we preached mostly to the choir, and hardly any comes to listen our gospel meetings. We didn't hardly interact with the community so life was kind of boring. Now, the place I work I interact with 1000s people a month and I share the gospel/Jesus with them and they listen and they went home and tell their spouse, friends about what we had discussed because they know I had been a minister in the past.
Life is NOT over after leaving the work! It's just a beginning. I had discussion with pastors and believers from all denominations. This is kind of work/ministry I was called for... NOT preaching only to the choir, who already know most of the tune. Or spending months working at preps conventions. Sitting and writing letters, and visiting the nursing homes, having funerals and so on.
I leave the preaching to the choir, preps, conventions, caring for God's people to the workers that is their calling... My part now is to teach what I have learned and known, that is my calling and I enjoy it very much.
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Post by blacksheep on Nov 24, 2019 13:46:16 GMT -5
I'd venture to guess that if the Workers could wed, and still be supported by the Friends, many of the Workers that left the Ministry would have remained in the Ministry. Let's not forget that in the beginning of the 2x2 quite a few of the Workers were married couples. Perhaps there were fewer molesters too, on account of that!
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Post by snow on Nov 24, 2019 14:36:18 GMT -5
A recent convention had at least two workers speaking about the needs of the harvest - nothing new, happens regularly. Just before my junior year in high school, at Gilroy convention I heard nothing but "the need of the harvest," while my friends didn't hear it at all! I knew I had would have to deal with this someday, and it hit me like a ton of bricks the day before school started, while my younger brother and I were dismantling a white-rail fence. I struggled with it for awhile. I must have heard it too because when I was professing I did want to be a worker. It was spoken about in meetings, but it's a long time ago so I couldn't be sure how often.
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Post by Grant on Nov 24, 2019 14:56:52 GMT -5
Just before my junior year in high school, at Gilroy convention I heard nothing but "the need of the harvest," while my friends didn't hear it at all! I knew I had would have to deal with this someday, and it hit me like a ton of bricks the day before school started, while my younger brother and I were dismantling a white-rail fence. I struggled with it for awhile. I must have heard it too because when I was professing I did want to be a worker. It was spoken about in meetings, but it's a long time ago so I couldn't be sure how often. I heard it preached plenty of times at convention too. Often heard them say the harvest is plenty and laborers few and the needs of those who were willing to give up all and go into the harvest field. Heard the workers preach about themselves often too saying just like Jesus who had no where to lay his head they too have no where to lay their head while at the same time didn't question the fact that there was an open home for them in every area where they went anytime they needed, a car and everything supplied.
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Post by speak on Nov 24, 2019 16:05:43 GMT -5
You'er starting to sound like nathan.
Hardly. Speak, -either you haven't sit in as many meetings as I have or else if is precisely as I said; --you are either completely deaf, not listening, or dissembling.
Sorry, but I tend believe that it isn't the first two reasons but rather the last one.
As you seem to think that you know more about what I hear and don't hear I can only concluded you are more like nathan than you think you are.
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Post by nathan on Nov 24, 2019 16:15:19 GMT -5
I must have heard it too because when I was professing I did want to be a worker. It was spoken about in meetings, but it's a long time ago so I couldn't be sure how often. I heard it preached plenty of times at convention too. Often heard them say the harvest is plenty and laborers few and the needs of those who were willing to give up all and go into the harvest field. Heard the workers preach about themselves often too saying just like Jesus who had no where to lay his head they too have no where to lay their head while at the same time didn't question the fact that there was an open home for them in every area where they went anytime they needed, a car and everything they supplied. Leo Stancliff was the harvest field workers recruiter. Most of the students came to the Bible studies on College campus heard Leo quoted the similar verses you mentioned because we were young, NOT married, so it was perfect timing to hear about the Work... Most of the young college students/11 that professed in Leo's mission on Guam had thought, offered for the work and Two of us went in the work in 1986.
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