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Post by speak on Dec 1, 2019 20:50:04 GMT -5
What pleasure do you derive from participating in this forum? Seeing you making a clown of yourself.
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Post by chuck on Dec 2, 2019 0:32:23 GMT -5
You have to hear the gospel through a 2x2 minister to be saved. You have to endure for your salvation. You have to proffess to be saved. You have to go to meetings to be saved You have to agree with "US" to be saved You have to dress like us to be saved need I go on. Tell me where the thief on the cross fits into these traditions to be saved!. Oh thats right he just believed in Christ!. Oh and I believe Irvine might have dropped the word EXPERIMENT!. He made it up, just like he made up his prophecy. Well as much as I love that you don't buy into the exclusivity like many 2x2's, you have to admit that they have a valid reason for being exclusive. The Christian God is also exclusive. If someone believes in another God, because that's the culture they grew up in, then the Christian God sends them to hell for eternity. That's a good example of being exclusive, so I can see how the 2x2's might just think they are doing what their God does and see it as the right thing to do. It's just the way some religions are set up. Muslims believe Christians are going to hell and Christians think Muslims are going to hell, and everyone that believes in Gods think that non believers are going to all the respective 'hells' out there. Religion is exclusive by it's very nature. You see my image of God is not like that. If someone believes in a different God or has a different Image of God or does not believe in a God, this in my mind does not send one to Eternal damnation. This is religion/man that sends you to Eternal damnation not God. If your a Atheist and you love your neighbor as yourself you implicitly love God, how is that exclusive?. I strongly believe the image of God is misunderstood, thanks to Religion. In my understanding of God, God made man is HIS IMAGE!. Not man in the image of a Chrsitian, Muslim, Atheist, Hindu ect ect. But man mistakenly makes God in his image. So man makes God as, A dude on a throne, a mass murderer, a omnipotent being, a idol, non existent ect ect ect. So a man made in the image of God can be a Atheist who loves his neighbor as himself. That is what God is to me. Everything else is division. Therfore that's why I believe God is non exclusive and the creator of all things that leave man in awe!. I cannot make you see this, but religion will sure try and screw your head along the way. Furthermore the bible with its multiple authors, viewpoints, time span, contradictions and so on confirm this in my mind because if the authors were 100% in alignment in their views it would be a sham or false, and thats why I believe it was the inspired word of God through man. To me God is non exclusive because no man can earn favor, and yes the Christian God is exlusive because he is thrle image of man and man believes he can earn favor. It's just a shame Christianity does not do its name Justice because I am a Christian as I do believe in CHRIST!.
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Post by nathan on Dec 2, 2019 1:05:14 GMT -5
Well as much as I love that you don't buy into the exclusivity like many 2x2's, you have to admit that they have a valid reason for being exclusive. The Christian God is also exclusive. If someone believes in another God, because that's the culture they grew up in, then the Christian God sends them to hell for eternity. That's a good example of being exclusive, so I can see how the 2x2's might just think they are doing what their God does and see it as the right thing to do. It's just the way some religions are set up. Muslims believe Christians are going to hell and Christians think Muslims are going to hell, and everyone that believes in Gods think that non believers are going to all the respective 'hells' out there. Religion is exclusive by it's very nature. You see my image of God is not like that. If someone believes in a different God or has a different Image of God or does not believe in a God, this in my mind does not send one to Eternal damnation. This is religion/man that sends you to Eternal damnation not God. If your a Atheist and you love your neighbor as yourself you implicitly love God, how is that exclusive?. I strongly believe the image of God is misunderstood, thanks to Religion. In my understanding of God, God made man is HIS IMAGE!. Not man in the image of a Chrsitian, Muslim, Atheist, Hindu ect ect. But man mistakenly makes God in his image. So man makes God as, A dude on a throne, a mass murderer, a omnipotent being, a idol, non existent ect ect ect. So a man made in the image of God can be a Atheist who loves his neighbor as himself. That is what God is to me. Everything else is division. Therfore that's why I believe God is non exclusive and the creator of all things that leave man in awe!. I cannot make you see this, but religion will sure try and screw your head along the way. Furthermore the bible with its multiple authors, viewpoints, time span, contradictions and so on confirm this in my mind because if the authors were 100% in alignment in their views it would be a sham or false, and thats why I believe it was the inspired word of God through man. To me God is non exclusive because no man can earn favor, and yes the Christian God is exlusive because he is thrle image of man and man believes he can earn favor. It's just a shame Christianity does not do its name Justice because I am a Christian as I do believe in CHRIST!. Snow, you are correct. God is VERY exclusive, in the Old Test. He selected the children of Israel are HIS chosen people to bring the Messiah into the world as the Savior of mankind. In the New Testament Jesus said he is the WAY, the TRUTH and LIFE no man comes to the Father but through Him! and Him alone.... NOT Buddha or Mohammad, Mcaroni the angel.
Jesus said "Enter ye at the narrow gate and FEW there be that FIND it."
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Post by chuck on Dec 2, 2019 1:36:02 GMT -5
You see my image of God is not like that. If someone believes in a different God or has a different Image of God or does not believe in a God, this in my mind does not send one to Eternal damnation. This is religion/man that sends you to Eternal damnation not God. If your a Atheist and you love your neighbor as yourself you implicitly love God, how is that exclusive?. I strongly believe the image of God is misunderstood, thanks to Religion. In my understanding of God, God made man is HIS IMAGE!. Not man in the image of a Chrsitian, Muslim, Atheist, Hindu ect ect. But man mistakenly makes God in his image. So man makes God as, A dude on a throne, a mass murderer, a omnipotent being, a idol, non existent ect ect ect. So a man made in the image of God can be a Atheist who loves his neighbor as himself. That is what God is to me. Everything else is division. Therfore that's why I believe God is non exclusive and the creator of all things that leave man in awe!. I cannot make you see this, but religion will sure try and screw your head along the way. Furthermore the bible with its multiple authors, viewpoints, time span, contradictions and so on confirm this in my mind because if the authors were 100% in alignment in their views it would be a sham or false, and thats why I believe it was the inspired word of God through man. To me God is non exclusive because no man can earn favor, and yes the Christian God is exlusive because he is thrle image of man and man believes he can earn favor. It's just a shame Christianity does not do its name Justice because I am a Christian as I do believe in CHRIST!. Snow, you are correct. God is VERY exclusive, in the Old Test. He selected the children of Israel are HIS chosen people to bring the Messiah into the world as the Savior of mankind. In the New Testament Jesus said he is the WAY, the TRUTH and LIFE no man comes to the Father but through Him! and Him alone.... NOT Buddha or Mohammad, Mcaroni the angel.
Jesus said "Enter ye at the narrow gate and FEW there be that FIND it."
You forgot the 2x2's Nathan.
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Post by nathan on Dec 2, 2019 1:49:11 GMT -5
Snow, you are correct. God is VERY exclusive, in the Old Test. He selected the children of Israel are HIS chosen people to bring the Messiah into the world as the Savior of mankind. In the New Testament Jesus said he is the WAY, the TRUTH and LIFE no man comes to the Father but through Him! and Him alone.... NOT Buddha or Mohammad, Mcaroni the angel.
Jesus said "Enter ye at the narrow gate and FEW there be that FIND it."
You forgot the 2x2's Nathan. haha... the 2x2s is part of the Narrow gate/Christ Jesus and FEW there be that FIND it in the 21st century.
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Post by chuck on Dec 2, 2019 2:19:44 GMT -5
You forgot the 2x2's Nathan. haha... the 2x2s is part of the Narrow gate/Christ Jesus and FEW there be that FIND it in the 21st century.Ah I believe Jesus said he was the gate, no mention of 2x2's there either!, not even a mention of "part of it", Just CHRIST nothing else.
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Post by breakfree on Dec 2, 2019 3:40:49 GMT -5
Nathan why does it always seem that your's is a message of fear and not a message of love? All you ever talk about is that people are going to hell if they don't do or think things exactly the way you think they are. You could be wrong you know. There is zero proof that you are any more right then Chuck. Eze_33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand. The wicked flee when no man pursueth,but the righteous are bold as a lion...Proverbs
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Post by nathan on Dec 2, 2019 9:17:05 GMT -5
haha... the 2x2s is part of the Narrow gate/Christ Jesus and FEW there be that FIND it in the 21st century. Ah I believe Jesus said he was the gate, no mention of 2x2's there either!, not even a mention of "part of it", Just CHRIST nothing else. You are a Non-exclusive 2x2 chuckie, so you don't believe it. you believe ALL Christians are SAVED, as long they believe in Jesus and it doesn't matter which church they attend. That is so against the teachings of Jesus, the apostles, the workers and MOST of the friends belief.
Jesus said Matthew 7:21-23 1 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:13-20 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
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Post by snow on Dec 2, 2019 14:22:55 GMT -5
Well as much as I love that you don't buy into the exclusivity like many 2x2's, you have to admit that they have a valid reason for being exclusive. The Christian God is also exclusive. If someone believes in another God, because that's the culture they grew up in, then the Christian God sends them to hell for eternity. That's a good example of being exclusive, so I can see how the 2x2's might just think they are doing what their God does and see it as the right thing to do. It's just the way some religions are set up. Muslims believe Christians are going to hell and Christians think Muslims are going to hell, and everyone that believes in Gods think that non believers are going to all the respective 'hells' out there. Religion is exclusive by it's very nature. You see my image of God is not like that. If someone believes in a different God or has a different Image of God or does not believe in a God, this in my mind does not send one to Eternal damnation. This is religion/man that sends you to Eternal damnation not God. If your a Atheist and you love your neighbor as yourself you implicitly love God, how is that exclusive?. I strongly believe the image of God is misunderstood, thanks to Religion. In my understanding of God, God made man is HIS IMAGE!. Not man in the image of a Chrsitian, Muslim, Atheist, Hindu ect ect. But man mistakenly makes God in his image. So man makes God as, A dude on a throne, a mass murderer, a omnipotent being, a idol, non existent ect ect ect. So a man made in the image of God can be a Atheist who loves his neighbor as himself. That is what God is to me. Everything else is division. Therfore that's why I believe God is non exclusive and the creator of all things that leave man in awe!. I cannot make you see this, but religion will sure try and screw your head along the way. Furthermore the bible with its multiple authors, viewpoints, time span, contradictions and so on confirm this in my mind because if the authors were 100% in alignment in their views it would be a sham or false, and thats why I believe it was the inspired word of God through man. To me God is non exclusive because no man can earn favor, and yes the Christian God is exlusive because he is thrle image of man and man believes he can earn favor. It's just a shame Christianity does not do its name Justice because I am a Christian as I do believe in CHRIST!. While I love your understanding of what a God should be like, I'm afraid that the God of the bible admits that he is a wrathful, jealous God and it's right in the 10 commandments that you are told not to worship any other Gods. I believe it's #1 on the list isn't it.
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Post by snow on Dec 2, 2019 14:29:15 GMT -5
Ah I believe Jesus said he was the gate, no mention of 2x2's there either!, not even a mention of "part of it", Just CHRIST nothing else. You are a Non-exclusive 2x2 chuckie, so you don't believe it. you believe ALL Christians are SAVED, as long they believe in Jesus and it doesn't matter which church they attend. That is so against the teachings of Jesus, the apostles, the workers and MOST of the friends belief.
Jesus said Matthew 7:21-23 1 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:13-20 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Nathan, bit different subject but I would like to ask why you call Chuck 'Chuckie'. I don't know why this bothers me so much, but to me it seems to be a sign of disrespect and I don't know why you wouldn't respect Chuck? He is a 2x2 that thinks a little differently from you, but that doesn't seem to be a cause for disrespect. I know what bothers me is no concern to you and you don't need to comply, but it's been bothering for some time now, so I thought I'd mention it.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 2, 2019 14:40:20 GMT -5
You see my image of God is not like that. If someone believes in a different God or has a different Image of God or does not believe in a God, this in my mind does not send one to Eternal damnation. This is religion/man that sends you to Eternal damnation not God. If your a Atheist and you love your neighbor as yourself you implicitly love God, how is that exclusive?. I strongly believe the image of God is misunderstood, thanks to Religion. In my understanding of God, God made man is HIS IMAGE!. Not man in the image of a Chrsitian, Muslim, Atheist, Hindu ect ect. But man mistakenly makes God in his image. So man makes God as, A dude on a throne, a mass murderer, a omnipotent being, a idol, non existent ect ect ect. So a man made in the image of God can be a Atheist who loves his neighbor as himself. That is what God is to me. Everything else is division. Therfore that's why I believe God is non exclusive and the creator of all things that leave man in awe!. I cannot make you see this, but religion will sure try and screw your head along the way. Furthermore the bible with its multiple authors, viewpoints, time span, contradictions and so on confirm this in my mind because if the authors were 100% in alignment in their views it would be a sham or false, and thats why I believe it was the inspired word of God through man. To me God is non exclusive because no man can earn favor, and yes the Christian God is exlusive because he is thrle image of man and man believes he can earn favor. It's just a shame Christianity does not do its name Justice because I am a Christian as I do believe in CHRIST!. While I love your understanding of what a God should be like, I'm afraid that the God of the bible admits that he is a wrathful, jealous God and it's right in the 10 commandments that you are told not to worship any other Gods. I believe it's #1 on the list isn't it. Right.
In fact the first four are all about how we should worship GOD. It isn't until the 5th that it begins tell how we should treat others.
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Post by chuck on Dec 2, 2019 18:19:14 GMT -5
You see my image of God is not like that. If someone believes in a different God or has a different Image of God or does not believe in a God, this in my mind does not send one to Eternal damnation. This is religion/man that sends you to Eternal damnation not God. If your a Atheist and you love your neighbor as yourself you implicitly love God, how is that exclusive?. I strongly believe the image of God is misunderstood, thanks to Religion. In my understanding of God, God made man is HIS IMAGE!. Not man in the image of a Chrsitian, Muslim, Atheist, Hindu ect ect. But man mistakenly makes God in his image. So man makes God as, A dude on a throne, a mass murderer, a omnipotent being, a idol, non existent ect ect ect. So a man made in the image of God can be a Atheist who loves his neighbor as himself. That is what God is to me. Everything else is division. Therfore that's why I believe God is non exclusive and the creator of all things that leave man in awe!. I cannot make you see this, but religion will sure try and screw your head along the way. Furthermore the bible with its multiple authors, viewpoints, time span, contradictions and so on confirm this in my mind because if the authors were 100% in alignment in their views it would be a sham or false, and thats why I believe it was the inspired word of God through man. To me God is non exclusive because no man can earn favor, and yes the Christian God is exlusive because he is thrle image of man and man believes he can earn favor. It's just a shame Christianity does not do its name Justice because I am a Christian as I do believe in CHRIST!. While I love your understanding of what a God should be like, I'm afraid that the God of the bible admits that he is a wrathful, jealous God and it's right in the 10 commandments that you are told not to worship any other Gods. I believe it's #1 on the list isn't it. Again what is your image of God. God is wrathful of those who do wrong, to most that is doing just something bad. To God it is doing something bad as a way of life. So like the Rich man amd Lazarus. The rich man willingly and continuously ignored those in need as a way of life. He felt the wrath of God. God is jelous of what is rightfully his. He is not jelous of something someone else has. So if someone worships the workers for saving them or turning them to god for example and serves the workers, God is jealous because that worship is rightfully his. Yes we are not to worship other Gods, but ponder on this. If you worship Buddha, and love your neighbor as your self, are graceful, kind, compassionate, slow to anger, love your enemies ect ect ect, and this is just your way of life, its just what you do, yes you may make mistakes and do some bad things but that's not your way of life. Well to me that is worshipping God. God may be called Buddha in your mind. But alternatively you have a person who beleives in the Christian god but is angry, wrathful, envious, selfish, lustful, deceitful ect ect as a way of life and does many good things to please God or make himself feel better(pride). Just because he thinks he's worshipping the Christian God and goes to church every week means what that he's going to be saved and you worshipping buddah are going to hell?. I do not believe that's what God is. Fun fact God is actually a pagan word. Yes im sure there are bad people worshipping buddah, just the same as christians and muslims and atheist. But God does not destroys peoples souls because they think he looks like Buddah. Or is non existent. He sends them to hell for reasons like the rich man went to hell! for continuously deliberately ignoring those in need, being selfish ect ect.
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Post by snow on Dec 2, 2019 18:39:50 GMT -5
While I love your understanding of what a God should be like, I'm afraid that the God of the bible admits that he is a wrathful, jealous God and it's right in the 10 commandments that you are told not to worship any other Gods. I believe it's #1 on the list isn't it. Again what is your image of God. God is wrathful of those who do wrong, to most that is doing just something bad. To God it is doing something bad as a way of life. So like the Rich man amd Lazarus. The rich man willingly and continuously ignored those in need as a way of life. He felt the wrath of God. God is jelous of what is rightfully his. He is not jelous of something someone else has. So if someone worships the workers for saving them or turning them to god for example and serves the workers, God is jealous because that worship is rightfully his. Yes we are not to worship other Gods, but ponder on this. If you worship Buddha, and love your neighbor as your self, are graceful, kind, compassionate, slow to anger, love your enemies ect ect ect, and this is just your way of life, its just what you do, yes you may make mistakes and do some bad things but that's not your way of life. Well to me that is worshipping God. God may be called Buddha in your mind. But alternatively you have a person who beleives in the Christian god but is angry, wrathful, envious, selfish, lustful, deceitful ect ect as a way of life and does many good things to please God or make himself feel better(pride). Just because he thinks he's worshipping the Christian God and goes to church every week means what that he's going to be saved and you worshipping buddah are going to hell?. I do not believe that's what God is. Fun fact God is actually a pagan word. Yes im sure there are bad people worshipping buddah, just the same as christians and muslims and atheist. But God does not destroys peoples souls because they think he looks like Buddah. Or is non existent. He sends them to hell for reasons like the rich man went to hell! for continuously deliberately ignoring those in need, being selfish ect ect. Again I like that you are accepting of those that worship other gods, but in your example of Buddhists, they have been around a lot longer than the Christian God concept. And, Buddhists don't worship gods. For me, you don't need to believe in a God to be a decent human being. It's a little arrogant imo for you to say Buddhists are just worshiping your Christian God, they just don't know it. It's like Nathan saying all 2x2's believe in the trinity because they pray to Jesus in meetings and take the emblems. I am not a follower of your god by default. I don't believe he exists, but I do believe it's important to be loving, kind, compassionate and try to accept people where they are at. Do I always achieve that? No. But I don't look to a God to help me either.
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Post by chuck on Dec 2, 2019 21:06:42 GMT -5
Again what is your image of God. God is wrathful of those who do wrong, to most that is doing just something bad. To God it is doing something bad as a way of life. So like the Rich man amd Lazarus. The rich man willingly and continuously ignored those in need as a way of life. He felt the wrath of God. God is jelous of what is rightfully his. He is not jelous of something someone else has. So if someone worships the workers for saving them or turning them to god for example and serves the workers, God is jealous because that worship is rightfully his. Yes we are not to worship other Gods, but ponder on this. If you worship Buddha, and love your neighbor as your self, are graceful, kind, compassionate, slow to anger, love your enemies ect ect ect, and this is just your way of life, its just what you do, yes you may make mistakes and do some bad things but that's not your way of life. Well to me that is worshipping God. God may be called Buddha in your mind. But alternatively you have a person who beleives in the Christian god but is angry, wrathful, envious, selfish, lustful, deceitful ect ect as a way of life and does many good things to please God or make himself feel better(pride). Just because he thinks he's worshipping the Christian God and goes to church every week means what that he's going to be saved and you worshipping buddah are going to hell?. I do not believe that's what God is. Fun fact God is actually a pagan word. Yes im sure there are bad people worshipping buddah, just the same as christians and muslims and atheist. But God does not destroys peoples souls because they think he looks like Buddah. Or is non existent. He sends them to hell for reasons like the rich man went to hell! for continuously deliberately ignoring those in need, being selfish ect ect. Again I like that you are accepting of those that worship other gods, but in your example of Buddhists, they have been around a lot longer than the Christian God concept. And, Buddhists don't worship gods. For me, you don't need to believe in a God to be a decent human being. It's a little arrogant imo for you to say Buddhists are just worshiping your Christian God, they just don't know it. It's like Nathan saying all 2x2's believe in the trinity because they pray to Jesus in meetings and take the emblems. I am not a follower of your god by default. I don't believe he exists, but I do believe it's important to be loving, kind, compassionate and try to accept people where they are at. Do I always achieve that? No. But I don't look to a God to help me either. How is it arrogant when I applied the same line of thinking to the christian God? My christian God is different to Nathans christian God because he thinks God only saves 2x2's where I believe otherwise. Do you see my point?. It is man putting boundaries around what God is, and even though you dont believe a God exists you still apply boundaries? why? you have a certain image of God even though he does not exist to you by default. Why? You dont believe in God but you do believe it is important to be loving ect ect, to me that is what God is!. He is the authority that draws us or lays on our hearts what is right and loving. Man rejects it because he wants to be his own authority and doesnt need God to provide for him. He doesn't need a God so why should he even believe in a God or why should a God even exist. Or man makes up his own God to fit his needs. God to me is like Parents Having a child. The parent knows what the child is going to be like generally. Lie, rebelious, selfish ect ect but yet the Parent still chooses to have them. Why?. Successful parent child relationships are a result of the kid recognizing the authority of the parent and the true love the parent has for their own child. This does not mean the child has to sit cowering before the parent in obedience, but is the recognition of authority and love that is layed on their hearts. This recognition may take a lifetime with Gods children or may not at all.l just like our children. Would you agree lack of recognition of authority in anything we do never leads to a good outcome?. Now to some this comes from a Christian God, Buddha, others Allah, others their own being. But eventually I believe people will recognize a higher authority and either accept it or reject it. I obviously believe this moral argument is laid on our hearts. You believe its evolution?.
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Post by Grant on Dec 2, 2019 22:08:57 GMT -5
Again I like that you are accepting of those that worship other gods, but in your example of Buddhists, they have been around a lot longer than the Christian God concept. And, Buddhists don't worship gods. For me, you don't need to believe in a God to be a decent human being. It's a little arrogant imo for you to say Buddhists are just worshiping your Christian God, they just don't know it. It's like Nathan saying all 2x2's believe in the trinity because they pray to Jesus in meetings and take the emblems. I am not a follower of your god by default. I don't believe he exists, but I do believe it's important to be loving, kind, compassionate and try to accept people where they are at. Do I always achieve that? No. But I don't look to a God to help me either. How is it arrogant when I applied the same line of thinking to the christian God? My christian God is different to Nathans christian God because he thinks God only saves 2x2's where I believe otherwise. Do you see my point?. It is man putting boundaries around what God is, and even though you dont believe a God exists you still apply boundaries? why? you have a certain image of God even though he does not exist to you by default. Why? You dont believe in God but you do believe it is important to be loving ect ect, to me that is what God is!. He is the authority that draws us or lays on our hearts what is right and loving. Man rejects it because he wants to be his own authority and doesnt need God to provide for him. He doesn't need a God so why should he even believe in a God or why should a God even exist. Or man makes up his own God to fit his needs. God to me is like Parents Having a child. The parent knows what the child is going to be like generally. Lie, rebelious, selfish ect ect but yet the Parent still chooses to have them. Why?. Successful parent child relationships are a result of the kid recognizing the authority of the parent and the true love the parent has for their own child. This does not mean the child has to sit cowering before the parent in obedience, but is the recognition of authority and love that is layed on their hearts. This recognition may take a lifetime with Gods children or may not at all.l just like our children. Would you agree lack of recognition of authority in anything we do never leads to a good outcome?. Now to some this comes from a Christian God, Buddha, others Allah, others their own being. But eventually I believe people will recognize a higher authority and either accept it or reject it. I obviously believe this moral argument is laid on our hearts. You believe its evolution?. I liked your last paragraph. Everyone is under some authority, be it the law, government, our boss or other. No man or woman is an island unto him/herself. What we do affects others, we do not just do what we want for many reasons whether we believe we are under no ones authority or not.
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Post by Grant on Dec 2, 2019 22:15:45 GMT -5
You are a Non-exclusive 2x2 chuckie, so you don't believe it. you believe ALL Christians are SAVED, as long they believe in Jesus and it doesn't matter which church they attend. That is so against the teachings of Jesus, the apostles, the workers and MOST of the friends belief.
Jesus said Matthew 7:21-23 1 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:13-20 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Nathan, bit different subject but I would like to ask why you call Chuck 'Chuckie'. I don't know why this bothers me so much, but to me it seems to be a sign of disrespect and I don't know why you wouldn't respect Chuck? He is a 2x2 that thinks a little differently from you, but that doesn't seem to be a cause for disrespect. I know what bothers me is no concern to you and you don't need to comply, but it's been bothering for some time now, so I thought I'd mention it. A man might call a women names as a form of power and dominance. Chuckie may be seen as a friendly tone but also comes across as a belittling and childline version of Chuck.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 2, 2019 22:18:31 GMT -5
You are a Non-exclusive 2x2 chuckie, so you don't believe it. you believe ALL Christians are SAVED, as long they believe in Jesus and it doesn't matter which church they attend. That is so against the teachings of Jesus, the apostles, the workers and MOST of the friends belief.
Jesus said Matthew 7:21-23 1 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:13-20 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Nathan, bit different subject but I would like to ask why you call Chuck 'Chuckie'. I don't know why this bothers me so much, but to me it seems to be a sign of disrespect and I don't know why you wouldn't respect Chuck? He is a 2x2 that thinks a little differently from you, but that doesn't seem to be a cause for disrespect. I know what bothers me is no concern to you and you don't need to comply, but it's been bothering for some time now, so I thought I'd mention it. It’s bothered me as well! It seems to indicate he thinks of him less then adult.
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Post by nathan on Dec 2, 2019 22:53:04 GMT -5
Nathan, bit different subject but I would like to ask why you call Chuck 'Chuckie'. I don't know why this bothers me so much, but to me it seems to be a sign of disrespect and I don't know why you wouldn't respect Chuck? He is a 2x2 that thinks a little differently from you, but that doesn't seem to be a cause for disrespect. I know what bothers me is no concern to you and you don't need to comply, but it's been bothering for some time now, so I thought I'd mention it. It’s bothered me as well! It seems to indicate he thinks of him less then adult. Chuck or Chuckie... My name is Nathan but people call me Nate.... that is NOT a sign of disrespect on their part. You gals are reading too much into my post and accuse me of this and that and it offends me greatly.
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Post by chuck on Dec 2, 2019 22:56:30 GMT -5
Ah I believe Jesus said he was the gate, no mention of 2x2's there either!, not even a mention of "part of it", Just CHRIST nothing else. You are a Non-exclusive 2x2 chuckie, so you don't believe it. you believe ALL Christians are SAVED, as long they believe in Jesus and it doesn't matter which church they attend. That is so against the teachings of Jesus, the apostles, the workers and MOST of the friends belief.
Jesus said Matthew 7:21-23 1 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:13-20 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
So Nathan God is unchanging. So how could people be declared righteous and therefore saved before Christ, Before the bible, before the 2x2's. God is the same today as he was before Christ, before the 2x2's. There was no "MOST of the friends and workers beliefs" before the late 1800's so Im not sure what this Majority 2x2ism is suppoting other than performance based Christianity!. Nowhere did I say all Christians are saved. And nowhere did I even suggest that they even have to attent a church, let alone a 2x2 church. Thief on the cross!. Power of the BLOOD!.
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Post by nathan on Dec 2, 2019 23:03:19 GMT -5
You are a Non-exclusive 2x2 chuckie, so you don't believe it. you believe ALL Christians are SAVED, as long they believe in Jesus and it doesn't matter which church they attend. That is so against the teachings of Jesus, the apostles, the workers and MOST of the friends belief.
Jesus said Matthew 7:21-23 1 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:13-20 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
So Nathan God is unchanging. So how could people be declared righteous and therefore saved before Christ, Before the bible, before the 2x2's. God is the same today as he was before Christ, before the 2x2's. There was no "MOST of the friends and workers beliefs" before the late 1800's so Im not sure what this Majority 2x2ism is suppoting other than performance based Christianity!. Nowhere did I say all Christians are saved. And nowhere did I even suggest that they even have to attent a church, let alone a 2x2 church. Thief on the cross!. Power of the BLOOD!. If God is unchanging then WHY He has Old and New Testament covenant? It seems He changes according to His timing don't you think? There has always been God's true people similar to 2x2s in spirits in belief and doctrine the last 2000 yrs but you don't believe that! You think the 2x2s is all alone in their belief the last 120 yrs, that is where you are INCORRECT.
You are non-exclusive believer an island/Christian by himself, people don't need to attend any church to be SAVED that is so contracting according to Jesus, the apostles, the workers and Majority denominations teachings.
If the thief on the Cross had lived he would have joined Jesus and the apostles fellowship ASAP. He is NOT going to wander aimlessly by himself on some island praying to God alone. Jesus talked about ONE FOLD! the apostles converts continued having fellowship with them NOT going to join the Pharisees and Sadducees group!
Saul was a hardcore Pharisee, after his conversion as a Christian do you read him leave the apostles fellowship and rejoin his Pharisees buddies, and teacher Gamelieo? He LEFT the Pharisees group forever and never turn back to have fellowship with them ever again. God and Christ did NOT sent Saul back to be a Pharisee either! God had new plans for His future, having fellowship with the apostles and New Testament believers until his last day on earth.
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Post by chuck on Dec 2, 2019 23:43:28 GMT -5
So Nathan God is unchanging. So how could people be declared righteous and therefore saved before Christ, Before the bible, before the 2x2's. God is the same today as he was before Christ, before the 2x2's. There was no "MOST of the friends and workers beliefs" before the late 1800's so Im not sure what this Majority 2x2ism is suppoting other than performance based Christianity!. Nowhere did I say all Christians are saved. And nowhere did I even suggest that they even have to attent a church, let alone a 2x2 church. Thief on the cross!. Power of the BLOOD!. If God is unchanging then WHY He has Old and New Testament covenant? It seems He changes according to His timing don't you think? There has always been God's true people similar to 2x2s in spirits in belief and doctrine the last 2000 yrs but you don't believe that! You think the 2x2s is all alone in their belief the last 120 yrs, that is where you are INCORRECT.
You are non-exclusive believer an island/Christian by himself, people don't need to attend any church to be SAVED that is so contracting according to Jesus, the apostles, the workers and Majority denominations teachings.
If the thief on the Cross had lived he would have joined Jesus and the apostles fellowship ASAP. He is NOT going to wander aimlessly by himself on some island praying to God alone. Jesus talked about ONE FOLD! the apostles converts continued having fellowship with them NOT going to join the Pharisees and Sadducees group!
God hasn't changed. The love of God is the same in the old and the new. Man's recognition of this has changed in the new since Christ. Man changes through time, not God!. His Love, Grace and Mercy is unchanging. You do not need 2x2ism to be saved. Wether you believe it goes back to the shores of Galille or is relatively new it is not a requirement for salvation. That is a man made requirement. No you have it back to front, again confidence in the 2x2's. 2X2's did not come first so no one could claim those past are similar to the 2x2's. That is the whole point, he didnt need anything but believe in Christ. Not would of could of. Just Believe!. The thief is the perfect example of what we need!. Just like Abraham, his belief is what credited him righteousness. Not all his good works. Saying you need something (church, 2x2's) other than belief is contradicting what Christ did for the thief on the Cross. He didn't need anything ASAP if he didnt die. This is adding to the Blood of Christ. This is saying it was not quite good enough therefore I need to do something to seal the deal!. "credited it to him as righteousness" And guess what, God/Christ has foot the bill. So in your mind if someone has no knowledge of your God as you see it they are going straight to Hell/Hades?. The guy wandering around alone on a island not knowing your God as you know him and doesn't have a image of a God like you do and is not serving God as you think he should but is loving, merciful, compassionate, slow to anger ect is going straight to Hell/Hades?.
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Post by chuck on Dec 2, 2019 23:45:58 GMT -5
So Nathan God is unchanging. So how could people be declared righteous and therefore saved before Christ, Before the bible, before the 2x2's. God is the same today as he was before Christ, before the 2x2's. There was no "MOST of the friends and workers beliefs" before the late 1800's so Im not sure what this Majority 2x2ism is suppoting other than performance based Christianity!. Nowhere did I say all Christians are saved. And nowhere did I even suggest that they even have to attent a church, let alone a 2x2 church. Thief on the cross!. Power of the BLOOD!. If God is unchanging then WHY He has Old and New Testament covenant? It seems He changes according to His timing don't you think? There has always been God's true people similar to 2x2s in spirits in belief and doctrine the last 2000 yrs but you don't believe that! You think the 2x2s is all alone in their belief the last 120 yrs, that is where you are INCORRECT.
You are non-exclusive believer an island/Christian by himself, people don't need to attend any church to be SAVED that is so contracting according to Jesus, the apostles, the workers and Majority denominations teachings.
If the thief on the Cross had lived he would have joined Jesus and the apostles fellowship ASAP. He is NOT going to wander aimlessly by himself on some island praying to God alone. Jesus talked about ONE FOLD! the apostles converts continued having fellowship with them NOT going to join the Pharisees and Sadducees group!
Saul was a hardcore Pharisee, after his conversion as a Christian do you read him leave the apostles fellowship and rejoin his Pharisees buddies, and teacher Gamelieo? He LEFT the Pharisees group forever and never turn back to have fellowship with them ever again. God and Christ did NOT sent Saul back to be a Pharisee either! God had new plans for His future, having fellowship with the apostles and New Testament believers until his last day on earth.
One can draw many parralels between the pharisees and the 2x2's. Legalism runs rife in the 2x2's. Dung!
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Post by nathan on Dec 3, 2019 0:18:26 GMT -5
If God is unchanging then WHY He has Old and New Testament covenant? It seems He changes according to His timing don't you think? There has always been God's true people similar to 2x2s in spirits in belief and doctrine the last 2000 yrs but you don't believe that! You think the 2x2s is all alone in their belief the last 120 yrs, that is where you are INCORRECT.
You are non-exclusive believer an island/Christian by himself, people don't need to attend any church to be SAVED that is so contracting according to Jesus, the apostles, the workers and Majority denominations teachings.
If the thief on the Cross had lived he would have joined Jesus and the apostles fellowship ASAP. He is NOT going to wander aimlessly by himself on some island praying to God alone. Jesus talked about ONE FOLD! the apostles converts continued having fellowship with them NOT going to join the Pharisees and Sadducees group!
God hasn't changed. The love of God is the same in the old and the new. Man's recognition of this has changed in the new since Christ. Man changes through time, not God!. His Love, Grace and Mercy is unchanging. You do not need 2x2ism to be saved. Wheather you believe it goes back to the shores of Galille or is relatively new it is not a requirement for salvation. That is a man made requirement.No you have it back to front, again confidence in the 2x2's. 2X2's did not come first so no one could claim those past are similar to the 2x2's. That is the whole point, he didnt need anything but believe in Christ. Not would of could of. Just Believe!. The thief is the perfect example of what we need!. Just like Abraham, his belief is what credited him righteousness. Not all his good works. Saying you need something (church, 2x2's) other than belief is contradicting what Christ did for the thief on the Cross. He didn't need anything ASAP if he didnt die. This is adding to the Blood of Christ. This is saying it was not quite good enough therefore I need to do something to seal the deal!. "credited it to him as righteousness" And guess what, God/Christ has foot the bill. So in your mind if someone has no knowledge of your God as you see it they are going straight to Hell/Hades?. The guy wandering around alone on a island not knowing your God as you know him and doesn't have a image of a God like you do and is not serving God as you think he should but is loving, merciful, compassionate, slow to anger ect is going straight to Hell/Hades?. You are so off the tracks in your own Non-exclusive thinking, Chuck. Thanks, God you are NOT in the work! You probably sent your 2x2 converts to join the churches of their choice like John Long ex-worker did and he was excommunicated from the ministry and fellowship in 1907.
Do you think Saul would have been saved if he had gone back to join his former faith/group of Pharisees?
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Post by nathan on Dec 3, 2019 0:29:26 GMT -5
If God is unchanging then WHY He has Old and New Testament covenant? It seems He changes according to His timing don't you think? There has always been God's true people similar to 2x2s in spirits in belief and doctrine the last 2000 yrs but you don't believe that! You think the 2x2s is all alone in their belief the last 120 yrs, that is where you are INCORRECT.
You are non-exclusive believer an island/Christian by himself, people don't need to attend any church to be SAVED that is so contracting according to Jesus, the apostles, the workers and Majority denominations teachings.
If the thief on the Cross had lived he would have joined Jesus and the apostles fellowship ASAP. He is NOT going to wander aimlessly by himself on some island praying to God alone. Jesus talked about ONE FOLD! the apostles converts continued having fellowship with them NOT going to join the Pharisees and Sadducees group!
Saul was a hardcore Pharisee, after his conversion as a Christian do you read him leave the apostles fellowship and rejoin his Pharisees buddies, and teacher Gamelieo? He LEFT the Pharisees group forever and never turn back to have fellowship with them ever again. God and Christ did NOT sent Saul back to be a Pharisee either! God had new plans for His future, having fellowship with the apostles and New Testament believers until his last day on earth.
One can draw many parralels between the pharisees and the 2x2's. Legalism runs rife in the 2x2's. Dung! Then WHY are you still stay with the 2x2s Pharisees, Chuck? you are like a Pharisee, that you accuse of who said I fast twice a week, I give tithes of all that I possess, I am NOT as other 2x2s publican sinners in a Cult group.
Luke 18:9-14 And Jesus spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 3, 2019 3:32:04 GMT -5
One can draw many parralels between the pharisees and the 2x2's. Legalism runs rife in the 2x2's. Dung! Then WHY are you still stay with the 2x2s Pharisees, Chuck? you are like a Pharisee, that you accuse of who said I fast twice a week, I give tithes of all that I possess, I am NOT as other 2x2s publican sinners in a Cult group.
Luke 18:9-14 And Jesus spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Once again the irony !!! Can someone please explain what "irony" means to nathan !!!
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 3, 2019 3:35:06 GMT -5
One can draw many parralels between the pharisees and the 2x2's. Legalism runs rife in the 2x2's. Dung! Then WHY are you still stay with the 2x2s Pharisees, Chuck? you are like a Pharisee, that you accuse of who said I fast twice a week, I give tithes of all that I possess, I am NOT as other 2x2s publican sinners in a Cult group.
Luke 18:9-14 And Jesus spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Why do you stay with the 2x2 church nathan ? Your beliefs are not held by the 2x2s as we have proved with the thread about "Sunday Trinity Worship Meeting" !!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 3, 2019 10:42:39 GMT -5
Then WHY are you still stay with the 2x2s Pharisees, Chuck? you are like a Pharisee, that you accuse of who said I fast twice a week, I give tithes of all that I possess, I am NOT as other 2x2s publican sinners in a Cult group.
Luke 18:9-14 And Jesus spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Once again the irony !!! Can someone please explain what "irony" means to nathan !!! Perhaps, “I’m thankful I’m not like other men for Im a two by two?”
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 3, 2019 10:46:08 GMT -5
It’s bothered me as well! It seems to indicate he thinks of him less then adult. Chuck or Chuckie... My name is Nathan but people call me Nate.... that is NOT a sign of disrespect on their part. You gals are reading too much into my post and accuse me of this and that and it offends me greatly. There’s a big difference in “Nate” as it’s a shortening of a Nathan. However to put an “ie” on someone’s name is usually done when they are children or to demean someone by inferring they’re juvenile in your eyes.
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