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Post by snow on Nov 30, 2019 14:50:20 GMT -5
So where is the bit about going 2x2, and meetings, and and ministers not getting married ect ect ect. Who was Peter Waldo?
In 1160 A.D. Peter Waldo of Lyons, France, a successful merchant and banker, was aroused to see his need of salvation by the sudden death of one of the guests at a feast he had given. A Vaudois theologian directed Peter Waldo to the Lord's words in (Matthew 19:21) "If thou be Perfect, go and "sell" that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shall have treasure in Heaven, and come and follow me." Peter Waldo, therefore, made over his lands, property to his wife, SOLD the remainder, and distributed it among the poor. They Believe in Apostolic succession through the laying on of the hand of such had it on those really called to receive this grace. They taught that the Church of Rome had lost this when Pope Sylvester accepted the union of Church and State, but it remained among them. From: The Heroic of Men & Women for religion of Jesus Christ by James D. McCabe. (1881)
The Valleys of Piedmont: Within this little areas, scarcely larger than the District of Columbia, USA. Has existed from remote times a peculiar race of people, rarely numbering more than 20,000. The have retained their primitive appearance and manners to a greater degree than almost any other European community. They have always been noted for the simplicity and purity of their lives, and their absolute freedom from the ignorance, superstition, and vice which have cursed the countries around them. The men are tall, well made, graceful in action, vigorous and hardly. The women are fair, endowed with a native grace and refinement, and have always been noted for their chastity and modest deportment. Both sexes are frank, hospitable, peaceful, and forbearing in disposition. Soon after the introduction of Christianity into Italy by the Apostles, the people of these valleys became converts to the faith preached by Paul the apostle. They accepted and taught the doctrines of the Apostles, and practiced the simple rites or usages as described by Justin or Tellurian. They acknowledge the Holy Scriptures as their sole rule of faith, and rejected all that was not taught in the books of the New Testament. From the days of Constantine (the Roman Emperor who became a Christian) to the present time, they have never changed their faith, and have never altered in any important particular their religious observances. The Vaudois themselves called themselves only by the name of Christians. They were required to commit to memory the Gospels of Matthew and John, the general epistles, and a part of those of Paul. They were instructed, moreover, during two or three successive winters, and trained to speak in Latin, and in Italian. They were supported by voluntary contributions of the believers. One part was given to the ministers, once to the poor, and the third was reserved for the missionaries of the Church. These missionaries always Went Forth Two and Two, to wit, a young man and old one. The latter was the Regidor, and his COMPANION the Coadjutor. They traveled to Italy, where they had stations organized in many places, and secret adherents in almost all the towns. Each minister was required to become a missionary in his turn. The younger ones were thus initiated into the delicate duties of evangelization--each of them being under the experienced guidance of a man of years, who according to the discipline of his church, was his superior, and whom he was bound to obey in everything as a matter of duty, and not merely out of deference. The Old man, on his part, thus made his preparation for repose, by training for the Church Successors worthy of it and of himself. His task being accomplished, he could die in peace, with consolatory assurance of having Committed the Sacred Trust of the Gospel into Prudent and Zealous hands. Their maintenance of the absolute authority of the Word of God, and of the doctrine of Salvation by Jesus Christ. The Vaudois, therefore, are not schematics, but continued inheritors of the Church founded by the Apostles. Very few of them were married (in the ministry); and their perpetual missions, their poverty, their missionary tours, their life always spent amidst warfare and dangers, make it easy to understand the reason of their Celibacy. In the annual synod (special gatherings), which was held in the Valleys, inquiry was made concerning the conduct of the ministers and changes of residence were made amongst them. Those actually employed in the ministry were changed from place to place every three years---two of them always exchanging places with another, except the aged men, who were no longer removed. The Vaudois were bound to visit the sick; they admonished those who behaved ill, and if remonstrance's produced no effect, they went to length of Excommunication; but it was very rare. Their preaching, catechizing, and other exercise of instruction and devotion, were generally similar to those of reformed Churches, except that the worshippers pronounced, with a low voice, the prayer which preceded and that which followed the sermon. They Vaudois likewise had hymns, which they only sung in private, and which, moreover, agrees with what we know of the customs of the primitive Church. Their doctrines were equally analogous, or rather were remarkably identical with those of the Apostolic times, and of the earliest fathers of the Church. They may be briefly summed up in these few words: The absolute authority and inspiration of the Bible-- The Trinity, the Godhead---- The sinful state of man--- Free Salvation by Jesus Christ--- But above all, Faith working by Love. Their missionaries were everywhere, proclaiming the SIMPLE truths of Christianity, and stirring the hearts of men and women to their very Depths. In Hungary, in Bohemia, in France, in England, in Scotland, as well in Italy, they were working with tremendous, through Silent power. Such was the organization, and such were the doctrines of the Apostolic Church of the Valleys of Piedmont. Waldenses Had Women Preachers!! The Waldenses still went further in shocking old-time customs and claimed the RIGHT to Preach for "WOMEN" as well as for MEN. The Waldenses Preachers/Pastors or Barbes, were first condemned by the Pope because they were private people and laymen, NOT learned clergy. Women Preachers were NOT uncommon and they played a considerable role in Piedmont as the 14th century. Waldensians' activity was NOT limited to the Alps-maritime region. John Bale in his catalogue mentioned some Waldensians who had begun to teach in England in (1164). Then in the summer of (1199), the bishop of Metz informed Rome that Waldensians were holding secret meetings in his diocese in which MEN and WOMEN Preached, using a French translation of the Bible. Pope Innocent III declared that secret home assemblies, unlicensed preaching, and disobedience to the command of bishops were NOT to be tolerated. By 1270, the Waldensian Preachers were gathering out disciples in various German states, Austria, Bohemia, Moravia, Hungary, and Poland. The danger for the Catholic Church was that the Bible text conveyed to the general population, by Waldeneses preachers Untrained in theology, appeared to contradict MANY of the doctrines and practices of the Catholic Church, whose clergy was NOT always highly respected. ~~ John Govan the Faith Mission founder, William Irvine and the early 2x2 workers DID NOT START or FOUNDED Jesus 2x2 apostolic/workers ministry! They just copied it from those who had DONE it before THEM! for 1700 yrs.
www.biblicalcatholic.com/apologetics/num3.htm
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Post by snow on Nov 30, 2019 14:56:16 GMT -5
And the fact you still question why im still a 2x2 shows the depth of compassion & love bred and taught in 2x2 system!. Shallow and Hollow!. You should be ashamed!. Exactly like the Priest and the Levite!. Wake up to yourself!. You are one strange and a mixed up 2x2 with all kinds of different churches doctrine mixed inside your head, chuckie.
Now Nathan, I don't think you are one that can talk about Chuck being mixed up and adding to the bible etc. You are the one that believes heaven is in the middle of a hollow Venus and Jesus and God live there. You also believe hell is in the inner earth and that the Garden of Eden is also in the inner Earth. NO where in the bible does it say any of that. This you have gotten from an outside source, Dr. Stranges.
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Post by snow on Nov 30, 2019 15:01:45 GMT -5
Maybe I just believe in Christ!. And dont rely on systems like yourself, your so worried about other's doctrines which just screams it's super duper important to you and that your doctrine is the only right one!. Dung! Jesus is the way!. Yea, right. The RCC and 40,000 plus Protestant all believe Jesus is the WAY but they don't follow or believe what He teaches! This is what Jesus said about them in Matthew 7:21-27 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.This is what Jesus called them who read and hear His teachings but DO NOT follow or believe it apply for their generation are false prophets and believers in Matthew 7:13-20
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
~~ So, be VERY careful If I were you, Chuckie and take heed of Jesus teachings and warnings!
Nathan why does it always seem that your's is a message of fear and not a message of love? All you ever talk about is that people are going to hell if they don't do or think things exactly the way you think they are. You could be wrong you know. There is zero proof that you are any more right then Chuck.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 15:04:47 GMT -5
Yea, right. The RCC and 40,000 plus Protestant all believe Jesus is the WAY but they don't follow or believe what He teaches! This is what Jesus said about them in Matthew 7:21-27 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.This is what Jesus called them who read and hear His teachings but DO NOT follow or believe it apply for their generation are false prophets and believers in Matthew 7:13-20
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
~~ So, be VERY careful If I were you, Chuckie and take heed of Jesus teachings and warnings!
Nathan why does it always seem that your's is a message of fear and not a message of love? All you ever talk about is that people are going to hell if they don't do or think things exactly the way you think they are. You could be wrong you know. There is zero proof that you are any more right then Chuck. Eze_33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
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Post by Grant on Nov 30, 2019 15:29:03 GMT -5
Wow... it seems you don't read your Bible very often, Chuckie... Jesus talked about ONE FOLD! the apostles wrote about the TRUTH fellowship, and DO NOT depart from it. I John 1:3-7 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
We read in Acts 3000 and 5000 converts in Acts had fellowship with the apostles and believers. Acts 2:41-42 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
John the apostle wrote II John 1:1-3 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth; For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever. Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
III John 1:1-4 The elder unto the wellbeloved Gaius, whom I love in the truth. Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. For I rejoiced greatly, when the brethren came and testified of the truth that is in thee, even as thou walkest in the truth. I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.
Nothing here to say you have to be like a 2x2 and can only be saved through a 2x2 minister. The truth isn't your Church or the 2X2's Nathan. Every second week I hear someone turn the Truth into the Truth aka 2x2's. Jesus is the Truth!. Heaven forbid someone other than 2x2's have fellowship! Having to reinterpret scripture to fit in with their thinking is what Sunday morning meetings are all about. It was a great relief after leaving meetings to be able to read the Bible as it was rather than having to try and bend it to fit in with 2x2 teaching. Nathan preaches a church, not Jesus as the way.
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Post by snow on Nov 30, 2019 15:31:16 GMT -5
Nathan why does it always seem that your's is a message of fear and not a message of love? All you ever talk about is that people are going to hell if they don't do or think things exactly the way you think they are. You could be wrong you know. There is zero proof that you are any more right then Chuck. Eze_33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand. Don't you ever feel concerned about a belief system that actually needs to come with a warning? Nathan's answer to anyone that doesn't believe as he believes is to threaten them with going to hell, even if they are Christians. That just doesn't seem right to me. He certainly doesn't make one want to be a Christian. One of the reasons I started to question the Christian God's authenticity is because I couldn't stand to think of my non professing relatives all going to hell. And on a larger scale that's exactly what all of Christianity teaches for anyone that isn't a Christian.
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Post by Grant on Nov 30, 2019 15:39:39 GMT -5
Eze_33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand. Don't you ever feel concerned about a belief system that actually needs to come with a warning? Nathan's answer to anyone that doesn't believe as he believes is to threaten them with going to hell, even if they are Christians. That just doesn't seem right to me. He certainly doesn't make one want to be a Christian. One of the reasons I started to question the Christian God's authenticity is because I couldn't stand to think of my non professing relatives all going to hell. And on a larger scale that's exactly what all of Christianity teaches for anyone that isn't a Christian. Certainly reading on here it seems that some believers goal is to drive people from believing in God rather than embracing it, be it Nathan or some Muslim radical. They appear to be doing the 'devils' work in driving people away rather than wanting people to embrace it. Certainly opposite to what I hear preached at church.
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Post by snow on Nov 30, 2019 15:49:06 GMT -5
Don't you ever feel concerned about a belief system that actually needs to come with a warning? Nathan's answer to anyone that doesn't believe as he believes is to threaten them with going to hell, even if they are Christians. That just doesn't seem right to me. He certainly doesn't make one want to be a Christian. One of the reasons I started to question the Christian God's authenticity is because I couldn't stand to think of my non professing relatives all going to hell. And on a larger scale that's exactly what all of Christianity teaches for anyone that isn't a Christian. Certainly reading on here it seems that some believers goal is to drive people from believing in God rather than embracing it, be it Nathan or some Musim radical. They appear to be doing the devils work in driving people away rather than wanting people to embrace it. Certainly opposite to what I hear preached at church. I agree. And it should be a message of love and unity rather than fear and division.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 17:47:10 GMT -5
Eze_33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand. Don't you ever feel concerned about a belief system that actually needs to come with a warning? Nathan's answer to anyone that doesn't believe as he believes is to threaten them with going to hell, even if they are Christians. That just doesn't seem right to me. He certainly doesn't make one want to be a Christian. One of the reasons I started to question the Christian God's authenticity is because I couldn't stand to think of my non professing relatives all going to hell. And on a larger scale that's exactly what all of Christianity teaches for anyone that isn't a Christian. not at all i am thankful for warnings...saves a lot of grief in the long run...
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 30, 2019 17:53:30 GMT -5
Nothing here to say you have to be like a 2x2 and can only be saved through a 2x2 minister. The truth isn't your Church or the 2X2's Nathan. Every second week I hear someone turn the Truth into the Truth aka 2x2's. Jesus is the Truth!. Heaven forbid someone other than 2x2's have fellowship! Having to reinterpret scripture to fit in with their thinking is what Sunday morning meetings are all about. It was a great relief after leaving meetings to be able to read the Bible as it was rather than having to try and bend it to fit in with 2x2 teaching. Nathan preaches a church, not Jesus as the way. Needs repeated!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 30, 2019 17:55:38 GMT -5
Eze_33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand. Don't you ever feel concerned about a belief system that actually needs to come with a warning? Nathan's answer to anyone that doesn't believe as he believes is to threaten them with going to hell, even if they are Christians. That just doesn't seem right to me. He certainly doesn't make one want to be a Christian. One of the reasons I started to question the Christian God's authenticity is because I couldn't stand to think of my non professing relatives all going to hell. And on a larger scale that's exactly what all of Christianity teaches for anyone that isn't a Christian. I believe this comes from a system that values humans far above our Saviour Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the embodiment of God’s love.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 30, 2019 18:41:04 GMT -5
Nothing here to say you have to be like a 2x2 and can only be saved through a 2x2 minister. The truth isn't your Church or the 2X2's Nathan. Every second week I hear someone turn the Truth into the Truth aka 2x2's. Jesus is the Truth!. Heaven forbid someone other than 2x2's have fellowship! Having to reinterpret scripture to fit in with their thinking is what Sunday morning meetings are all about. It was a great relief after leaving meetings to be able to read the Bible as it was rather than having to try and bend it to fit in with 2x2 teaching. Nathan preaches a church, not Jesus as the way. But the church nathan preaches is not even the 2x2 church, it is a church of his own making with a mix of 2x2, Stranges, Pentecostal, William Branham and of course he has had a special revelation that even the Workers haven't had!!! So the church he preaches is the "Church of nathan " !
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 30, 2019 19:32:56 GMT -5
Having to reinterpret scripture to fit in with their thinking is what Sunday morning meetings are all about. It was a great relief after leaving meetings to be able to read the Bible as it was rather than having to try and bend it to fit in with 2x2 teaching. Nathan preaches a church, not Jesus as the way. But the church nathan preaches is not even the 2x2 church, it is a church of his own making with a mix of 2x2, Stranges, Pentecostal, William Branham and of course he has had a special revelation that even the Workers haven't had!!! So the church he preaches is the "Church of nathan " ! "Church of nathan " !Roselyn, you have a point there!
Of course, -that happened with all religions though-out history.
Christianity, -as well.As times & customs change, so has the doctrine in any given religion.
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Post by speak on Nov 30, 2019 20:42:56 GMT -5
I don't find that the least bit weird. Being raised in the 2x2's made me feel and think that the least bit of joy was a no-no. Suffering for their god seemed the name of the game. I've always thought heaven must be filled with 2x2 martyrs. Obviously you didn't get joy from God which far out weighs any thoughts man has. Sorry you missed out but being raised in the fellowship doesn't mean an automatic means of joy.
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Post by nathan on Nov 30, 2019 20:51:35 GMT -5
Nathan why does it always seem that your's is a message of fear and not a message of love? All you ever talk about is that people are going to hell if they don't do or think things exactly the way you think they are. You could be wrong you know. There is zero proof that you are any more right then Chuck. Eze_33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I/God require at the watchman's hand. Thanks, Wally. I want nobody's blood on my hands for sure.
Snow, that is NOT true at all... I have posted about NEW earth and heaven MANY Times (Rev. 21-22), the peace and happiness His people will ENJOY for Eternity. I have also pointed out The everlasting fire where Satan, 1/3 of the fallen angels, their followers and unbelievers will go AFTER the Judgment day. I give both sides of the Coin! It's up to the people to decide where they want to be for eternity. I encourage all to be with God and Christ in the New earth and heaven but some on here will NOT want to be there but that is their choice.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 30, 2019 20:58:10 GMT -5
I don't find that the least bit weird. Being raised in the 2x2's made me feel and think that the least bit of joy was a no-no. Suffering for their god seemed the name of the game. I've always thought heaven must be filled with 2x2 martyrs. Obviously you didn't get joy from God which far out weighs any thoughts man has. Sorry you missed out but being raised in the fellowship doesn't mean an automatic means of joy. So I await you "next" beads of "wisdom"
I can already guess as to they will be.
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Post by Grant on Nov 30, 2019 21:01:01 GMT -5
But the church nathan preaches is not even the 2x2 church, it is a church of his own making with a mix of 2x2, Stranges, Pentecostal, William Branham and of course he has had a special revelation that even the Workers haven't had!!! So the church he preaches is the "Church of nathan " ! "Church of nathan " !Roselyn, you have a point there!
Of course, -that happened with all religions though-out history.
Christianity, -as well.As times & customs change, so has the doctrine in any given religion.
Such as the church of William Irvine until someone stronger comes along, kicks the leader out and takes over. Then denying any connection to their founder, swing some story that it was started by Jesus and hope the truth doesn't come out. Thank God for the internet and of course Doug Parker, Cherie and others.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 30, 2019 21:03:10 GMT -5
Don't you ever feel concerned about a belief system that actually needs to come with a warning? Nathan's answer to anyone that doesn't believe as he believes is to threaten them with going to hell, even if they are Christians. That just doesn't seem right to me. He certainly doesn't make one want to be a Christian. One of the reasons I started to question the Christian God's authenticity is because I couldn't stand to think of my non professing relatives all going to hell. And on a larger scale that's exactly what all of Christianity teaches for anyone that isn't a Christian. not at all i am thankful for warnings...saves a lot of grief in the long run... You know, it’s a strange thing; but it’s human nature apparently. Some children who are loved well by their parents obey without having to be warned all the time because they are so grateful their parents love then they just want to please their parents. Whereas other children whether loved by parents or not, have to test the boundaries all the time and thus have to have constant warnings. But in Jesus’ life he loved us so he gave everything down to the last drop of blood and water, so that most his true followers do things to please him but then there are those who seem to have to push the boundaries.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 30, 2019 21:06:09 GMT -5
I don't find that the least bit weird. Being raised in the 2x2's made me feel and think that the least bit of joy was a no-no. Suffering for their god seemed the name of the game. I've always thought heaven must be filled with 2x2 martyrs. Obviously you didn't get joy from God which far out weighs any thoughts man has. Sorry you missed out but being raised in the fellowship doesn't mean an automatic means of joy. There were some of the first generation of workers that would wring every ounce of potential joy anyone might have by their demands of long faced sobriety.
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Post by speak on Dec 1, 2019 2:45:07 GMT -5
Obviously you didn't get joy from God which far out weighs any thoughts man has. Sorry you missed out but being raised in the fellowship doesn't mean an automatic means of joy. So I await you "next" beads of "wisdom"
I can already guess as to they will be. That sort of attitude doesn't become a person of such intelligence as yourself.
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Post by speak on Dec 1, 2019 2:45:46 GMT -5
Obviously you didn't get joy from God which far out weighs any thoughts man has. Sorry you missed out but being raised in the fellowship doesn't mean an automatic means of joy. There were some of the first generation of workers that would wring every ounce of potential joy anyone might have by their demands of long faced sobriety. Hogwash.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 1, 2019 3:19:29 GMT -5
So I await you "next" beads of "wisdom"
I can already guess as to they will be. That sort of attitude doesn't become a person of such intelligence as yourself. Ah, -come on! Tell us, -I want to see it I got it right.
PS: (flattery won't get you anywhere with me)
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Post by snow on Dec 1, 2019 11:34:51 GMT -5
Eze_33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I/God require at the watchman's hand. Thanks, Wally. I want nobody's blood on my hands for sure.
Snow, that is NOT true at all... I have posted about NEW earth and heaven MANY Times (Rev. 21-22), the peace and happiness His people will ENJOY for Eternity. I have also pointed out The everlasting fire where Satan, 1/3 of the fallen angels, their followers and unbelievers will go AFTER the Judgment day. I give both sides of the Coin! It's up to the people to decide where they want to be for eternity. I encourage all to be with God and Christ in the New earth and heaven but some on here will NOT want to be there but that is their choice.
Yes you have posted New Earth. But what I'm talking about is when someone like Chuck or even STR disagree with you then you eventually just tell them that you are right, they are wrong and unless they start to believe as you do, they will be sorry. It happens on here over and over. Think of how many times you've told me if I don't start believing again I am going to hell. It doesn't bother me because I know there is no hell, but what bothers me is when you tell other believers that they are going to hell when they don't believe as you do. They do believe in hell and it's got to be hard for them to hear that from you, over and over. Do you understand now why I say that you use fear. I realize you think you're just warning them, but don't you ever stop to think about what you say and the possibility that it's maybe you that has misinterpreted something and they are the ones that have it right?
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Post by nathan on Dec 1, 2019 11:43:59 GMT -5
Thanks, Wally. I want nobody's blood on my hands for sure.
Snow, that is NOT true at all... I have posted about NEW earth and heaven MANY Times (Rev. 21-22), the peace and happiness His people will ENJOY for Eternity. I have also pointed out The everlasting fire where Satan, 1/3 of the fallen angels, their followers and unbelievers will go AFTER the Judgment day. I give both sides of the Coin! It's up to the people to decide where they want to be for eternity. I encourage all to be with God and Christ in the New earth and heaven but some on here will NOT want to be there but that is their choice.
Yes you have posted New Earth. But what I'm talking about is when someone like Chuck or even STR disagree with you then you eventually just tell them that you are right, they are wrong and unless they start to believe as you do, they will be sorry. It happens on here over and over. Think of how many times you've told me if I don't start believing again I am going to hell. It doesn't bother me because I know there is no hell, but what bothers me is when you tell other believers that they are going to hell when they don't believe as you do. They do believe in hell and it's got to be hard for them to hear that from you, over and over. Do you understand now why I say that you use fear. I realize you think you're just warning them, but don't you ever stop to think about what you say and the possibility that it's maybe you that has misinterpreted something and they are the ones that have it right? STR, and Chuckie present their sides and I present my side... Believe it or NOT it's up to them. I have present my views and you disagree many times, that is OK, with me. I don't get all upset about it just because you disagree, that is your choice.
I try to present both sides Heaven/pros and Hell/cons. There are more atheists posting these days so, hell mention more often because they don't believe in heaven.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 1, 2019 11:49:54 GMT -5
There were some of the first generation of workers that would wring every ounce of potential joy anyone might have by their demands of long faced sobriety. Hogwash. You certainly either don’t pay attention or want to negate any other person’s experience.
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Post by speak on Dec 1, 2019 16:25:05 GMT -5
You certainly either don’t pay attention or want to negate any other person’s experience. Just like you negate that of others.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 1, 2019 16:52:11 GMT -5
There were some of the first generation of workers that would wring every ounce of potential joy anyone might have by their demands of long faced sobriety. Hogwash. What pleasure do you derive from participating in this forum?
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Post by snow on Dec 1, 2019 18:18:33 GMT -5
Yes you have posted New Earth. But what I'm talking about is when someone like Chuck or even STR disagree with you then you eventually just tell them that you are right, they are wrong and unless they start to believe as you do, they will be sorry. It happens on here over and over. Think of how many times you've told me if I don't start believing again I am going to hell. It doesn't bother me because I know there is no hell, but what bothers me is when you tell other believers that they are going to hell when they don't believe as you do. They do believe in hell and it's got to be hard for them to hear that from you, over and over. Do you understand now why I say that you use fear. I realize you think you're just warning them, but don't you ever stop to think about what you say and the possibility that it's maybe you that has misinterpreted something and they are the ones that have it right? STR, and Chuckie present their sides and I present my side... Believe it or NOT it's up to them. I have present my views and you disagree many times, that is OK, with me. I don't get all upset about it just because you disagree, that is your choice.
I try to present both sides Heaven/pros and Hell/cons. There are more atheists posting these days so, hell mention more often because they don't believe in heaven.
There is a difference between telling someone your opinion and calling them outright wrong. And, then adding, that because they are wrong they'd better start thinking like you or they're in trouble for eternity. I don't mind for me because I know there is no hell. But it really seems arrogant for one Christian to tell another Christian that they are going to hell if they don't think like you do.
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