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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 25, 2019 12:31:31 GMT -5
Yes. The Bema seat Judgment is immediately after the rapture of the saints. It isn’t about sins for salvation is given unto those saints. However the Bema seat judgment is the judgment seat of rewards of deeds of the saints deeds and their motives for those deeds. This is the test by fire if those deeds Paul spoke about. The Bema seat is mentioned in the Latin bible. The sheep and goats judgment is the judgment Jesus gives about the nations of the earth and how they treated Israel during the tribulation. This he does immediately on his second coming. The great white throne judgment is after the old earth and heaven have passed away, the seas and earth having given up their dead. This is as you say the second resurrection. *** I believe Chuck M. view is right and correct according to scriptures. Mine is the same as his just more detail. The main thing I disagree about is the Lamb’s marriage. It won’t happen until after the new heavens and earth and done because it will be in the New heavenly Jerusalem. The reason I say that is because the 7 year tribulation is the time of Jacob’s trouble in which the Jews will call upon the name of the Lord and shall cry for Jesus to come to Jerusalem. This is in Hosea 5:15. Zechariah 14 says on Jesus’ second coming he will stand on the Lord’s Mount of Olives. ‘‘Tis is when every eye shall see him and every knee shall bow. This is when he’s invited to Jerusalem, which will be the new Jerusalem in the earthquake’s fertile valley. This is when all of Israel shall be saved. Which will be the 1/3 left after the tribulation is over and the brightness of Jesus’ coming has slain the beast , the Antichrist who has been reigning in the third temple in present day Jerusalem.. The earthquake of Mount Olive will destroyJerusalem. And make a fertile valley where Jesus and all his saints shall reign and live a thousand years. Then a When the Jews are with Jesus and his saints will the marriage be. We must not forget God promised never to forget his chosen nation which will be a nation until the moon, the sun and the stars no more shine, and that is in the new heaven and earth for the Lamb is the light thereof. Some people think God has taken the Gentiles for his people but they forget that the Gentile saints are separated from the wild olive tree and geafted into the tame olive tree which is Israel.
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Post by snow on Nov 25, 2019 12:44:24 GMT -5
I disagree. All followers of the Christian refer to their God as their father. Jesus never said he was God the son. Not ever. The Jews never thought he meant he was God the son either. Revelations 1:5-6. And from Jesus Christ , who IS the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood. And hath made us kings and priests unto GOD and HIS FATHER; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. Verse 8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the ALMIGHTY. How much plainer can it get? It’s impossible to wrap our heads around until two things become known: that “God speaks to their nature. And that God is a complex unit”. And united they are. Well, you obviously believe it, but I don't see that. Revelations is very symbolic, not literal. So I don't know why you would take this part to be literal instead of symbolic. But you do, and that's that.
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Post by snow on Nov 25, 2019 12:47:27 GMT -5
I disagree. All followers of the Christian refer to their God as their father. Jesus never said he was God the son. Not ever. The Jews never thought he meant he was God the son either. No he didn’t say he was God the Son because the Jews understood when Jesus said God was his Father that Jesus WAS SAYING HE IS GOD OR EQUAL TO GOD. The thing is though the Jews fully understood what Jesus meant when he said God was his Father and when he said he was the Son of God that made him God. They just didn’t believe him because he stood before them looking like any other Jew. Jews knew that when they are the son of someone that means they are them or equal to them. I.e. a Levite son saying he was a son of Aaron meant he was Aaron or he was equal to Aaron. The heir is considered equal to the father. Thus children even these days carry the name of the Jewish tribe from which their fathers are from. It doesn’t matter how many other tribes may have been introduced into the family bloodline the constant is the name of the family tribe is carried by the father. Thus so every father throughout the generation will have been of one tribe even though the mothers may well have been of a fellow tribe of Israel. Though since 9 tribes went missing most of the Jews are Judah, Benjamin and Levite. Then why does everyone call themselves sons and daughters of the Christian God? Does that make all of you God the Son and God the daughter? It makes no sense that the Jews believed that Jesus was a God when everyone said they were sons and daughters of God.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 25, 2019 12:58:52 GMT -5
No he didn’t say he was God the Son because the Jews understood when Jesus said God was his Father that Jesus WAS SAYING HE IS GOD OR EQUAL TO GOD. The thing is though the Jews fully understood what Jesus meant when he said God was his Father and when he said he was the Son of God that made him God. They just didn’t believe him because he stood before them looking like any other Jew. Jews knew that when they are the son of someone that means they are them or equal to them. I.e. a Levite son saying he was a son of Aaron meant he was Aaron or he was equal to Aaron. The heir is considered equal to the father. Thus children even these days carry the name of the Jewish tribe from which their fathers are from. It doesn’t matter how many other tribes may have been introduced into the family bloodline the constant is the name of the family tribe is carried by the father. Thus so every father throughout the generation will have been of one tribe even though the mothers may well have been of a fellow tribe of Israel. Though since 9 tribes went missing most of the Jews are Judah, Benjamin and Levite. Then why does everyone call themselves sons and daughters of the Christian God? Does that make all of you God the Son and God the daughter? It makes no sense that the Jews believed that Jesus was a God when everyone said they were sons and daughters of God. I’ll try this from John 1:12. to see if it’ll help you to understand why some claim to be sons of God. Note the caps or non caps. “But as many as received him(Jesus), to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe in his name:” By adoption, Snow. They’re not begotten by God but by adoption. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. His heir in all things.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 25, 2019 13:01:09 GMT -5
Snow, also when the thing with the Jews happened there were no Christians calling themselves sons and daughters of God.
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Post by snow on Nov 25, 2019 13:45:24 GMT -5
Then why does everyone call themselves sons and daughters of the Christian God? Does that make all of you God the Son and God the daughter? It makes no sense that the Jews believed that Jesus was a God when everyone said they were sons and daughters of God. I’ll try this from John 1:12. to see if it’ll help you to understand why some claim to be sons of God. Note the caps or non caps. “But as many as received him(Jesus), to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe in his name:” By adoption, Snow. They’re not begotten by God but by adoption. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. His heir in all things. That's all I've ever been, adopted...
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 25, 2019 14:06:16 GMT -5
I’ll try this from John 1:12. to see if it’ll help you to understand why some claim to be sons of God. Note the caps or non caps. “But as many as received him(Jesus), to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe in his name:” By adoption, Snow. They’re not begotten by God but by adoption. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. His heir in all things. That's all I've ever been, adopted... Bless your heart! I knew if anybody understood you’d be the one. Though it doesn’t always work out that way. I had a couple of male cousins , the oldest was adopted the second was a surprise happening. They came up knowing and loving each other like blood brothers. When the oldest had to go into the military, his adoption had to be made known! It like to have killed them both until they both came to understand that that piece of legal paper meant it hadn’t changed a thing, they’d grown up together as bro’s and were still bro’s. They actually looked like brothers. They both had dark brown curly hair and had combed their hair the same way except ones part was in opposite side of his head because he was left handed. Both parents were right handed and this was the natural born son. So that made no difference but it was figured his dad's twin had likely been left handed but had died while toddler. But as to my feelings about the two, I loved them both as brothers to me because they were always next door while I was growing up but the older one, the adopted one, was my very best friend. I loved him so very much. He taught me how to ride my bike and many other things just like a big brother would a kid sister. I never thought about him being adopted at all and still even since he passed away, I miss him horribly! My best friend is no longer available. He always seemed to know when I needed him, he’d just show up at the peak of crisis and I tried to be the same for him! So I suspect our adoption into God’s family is a bit better then that even! At least it is for me!
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Post by snow on Nov 25, 2019 14:14:08 GMT -5
That's all I've ever been, adopted... Bless your heart! I knew if anybody understood you’d be the one. Though it doesn’t always work out that way. I had a couple of male cousins , the oldest was adopted the second was a surprise happening. They came up knowing and living each other like blood brothers. When the oldest had to go into the military, his adoption had to be made known! It like to have killed them both until they both came to understand that that piece of legal paper meant it hadn’t changed a thing, they’d grown up together as bro’s and were still bro’s. They actually looked like brothers. They both had dark brown curly hair and had combed their hair the same way except ones part was in opposite side of his head because he was left handed. Both parents were right handed and this was the natural born son. So that made no difference but it was figured his dad's twin had likely been left handed but had died while toddler. But as to my feelings about the two, I lived them both as brothers to me because they were always next door while I was growing up but the older one, the adopted one, was my very best friend. I loved him so very much. He taught me how to ride my bike and many other things just like a big brother would a kid sister. I never thought about him being adopted at all and still even since he passed away, I miss him horribly! My best friend is no longer available. He always seemed to know when I needed him, he’d just show up at the peak of crisis and Ai tried to be the same for him! So I suspect our adoption into God’s family is a bit better then that even! At least it is for me! Yes, family doesn't need to be 'blood'. I think we'd be a happier better world if we quit drawing lines around us vs others. We're all in this together. Where there is need, we should provide it if we are able. I am trying to get my community to work together a bit more by having City Hall supply a list of elderly in our town that need help with shoveling their walks and other yard work. That way other citizens that might have the time and ability and the desire could help them out. My husband shovels a couple of different walks for them. One is a man who is battling cancer and his wife can't shovel and the other is someone that is so busy that once their long day is over, they still have to come home and shovel. It's nice for them to be able to come home to a shoveled walk so they can go inside and relax after a long day at work. These are things we can do, if we are able. But those who aren't able to help physically can be a help by being a support, or if they have more than enough money, help with groceries from time to time etc. There are so many things we can do for each other. We all have strengths that can help someone that does not have that strength. That helps that person be more willing to share what their strength is with someone else. We can make such a difference in this world, even if we aren't capable physically.
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Post by Dan on Nov 25, 2019 15:00:07 GMT -5
Forgiveness does not relinquish the consequence of sin. (e.g; If I dented your car, you might forgive me, but your car is still dented.) Jesus paid the price for the remission of sin. Jesus descended to make this proclamation and preached to the spirits in prison.
Forgiveness does not mandate reconciliation Forgiveness is not to forget Forgiveness is not trust Forgiveness does not erase the sin (the cross did) Forgiveness removes resentment
"I, even I, am he who blots out your transgressions, for my own sake, and remembers your sins no more" (Isaiah 43:25)
Yet, when Jesus appears in the sky and gathere’s his own from the four winds, we will stand before him on the Bema seat. Where he will judge our deeds. No sin will be mentioned but our deeds and our motives behind those deeds. This is the test by fire our deeds have to stand before rewards or crowns are awarded. As a Paul mentioned some people’s deeds won’t stand the test . By fire but they’ll have eternal life just no crowns.
This is true, those in Christ are not judged for sin because a believers sins are blotted out; "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels" (Rev 3:5).. Our judgement is for reward; "My reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." (Rev 22:12). Deeds=reward, Sin=death.
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