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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 21, 2019 20:18:02 GMT -5
Mark 2:7 says only God can forgive sins.
I just heard in a sermon that for those who do not believe in the deity of Jesus, naturally there is no forgiveness of their sins because only God can forgive sins.
Seems reasonable when you think about it.
When I first begin to believe in the triune God, I wasn’t sure that believing Jesus is God the Son was necessary for one’s salvation. But the longer I’ve believed and learned about the triune God, it IS vital for one’s salvation. For the simple reason there can be no forgiveness of sins to the point of cleansing our hearts and minds of our sins if we don’t believe that the one who died for our sins is God the Son.
So that makes it very dangerous for the 2x2s that fervently deny Jesus’ deity.
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Post by nathan on Nov 21, 2019 20:43:43 GMT -5
Mark 2:7 says only God can forgive sins. I just heard in a sermon that for those who do not believe in the deity of Jesus, naturally there is no forgiveness of their sins because only God can forgive sins. Seems reasonable when you think about it. When I first begin to believe in the triune God, I wasn’t sure that believing Jesus is God the Son was necessary for one’s salvation. But the longer I’ve believed and learned about the triune God, it IS vital for one’s salvation. For the simple reason there can be no forgiveness of sins to the point of cleansing our hearts and minds of our sins if we don’t believe that the one who died for our sins is God the Son. So that makes it very dangerous for the 2x2s that fervently deny Jesus’ deity. How can they deny the Deity of Jesus? when ALL of the workers and the friends believe Jesus is the Son of God, who SAVES people. The workers want their converts to follow Jesus Christ NOT themselves. They just lost the knowledge of the Jesus is God the Christ! when the overseers and senior workers in 1960s preached and taught the Trinity is the RCC doctrine and it's a heresy/pagans doctrine. Their problem is NOT understanding the word God/Elohim is plural- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit.
The 2x2s believe the word God refers ONLY to the Father and NOT the Son/Christ. So, they run into a lot of problems in their way of thinking. The 2x2 need some majors adjustment so they can SEE and UNDERSTAND the Trinity and Triune God clearly.
The 2x2s have a good foundation for believing Jesus is the Son of God and that is all they KNOW and believe... Christ is God and Lord is beyond their understanding, comprehension because they had been feeding ONLY in the sincere milk of the word of God and NOT the meat= The Deity of Christ, Christ is God and Lord just like unto God the Father and the Holy Spirit.
The 2x2s believe Jesus forgives their past and present sins, they pray and give Him praises and adoration EVERY Sunday morning worship gathering on the same level as God the Father and Holy Spirit... by partaken the Emblems symbolic= Bread/His life and teachings and Wine/his blood forgive their sins.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 21, 2019 21:34:14 GMT -5
Mark 2:7 says only God can forgive sins. I just heard in a sermon that for those who do not believe in the deity of Jesus, naturally there is no forgiveness of their sins because only God can forgive sins. Seems reasonable when you think about it. When I first begin to believe in the triune God, I wasn’t sure that believing Jesus is God the Son was necessary for one’s salvation. But the longer I’ve believed and learned about the triune God, it IS vital for one’s salvation. For the simple reason there can be no forgiveness of sins to the point of cleansing our hearts and minds of our sins if we don’t believe that the one who died for our sins is God the Son. So that makes it very dangerous for the 2x2s that fervently deny Jesus’ deity. How can they deny the Deity of Jesus? when ALL of the workers and the friends believe Jesus is the Son of God, who SAVES people. The workers want their converts to follow Jesus Christ NOT themselves. They just lost the knowledge of the Jesus is God the Christ! when the overseers and senior workers in 1960s preached and taught the Trinity is the RCC doctrine and it's a heresy/pagans doctrine. Their problem is NOT understanding the word God/Elohim is plural- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit.
The 2x2s believe the word God refers ONLY to the Father and NOT the Son/Christ. So, they run into a lot of problems in their way of thinking. The 2x2 need some majors adjustment so they can SEE and UNDERSTAND the Trinity and Triune God clearly.
The 2x2s have a good foundation for believing Jesus is the Son of God and that is all they KNOW and believe... Christ is God and Lord is beyond their understanding, comprehension because they had been feeding ONLY in the sincere milk of the word of God and NOT the meat= The Deity of Christ, Christ is God and Lord just like unto God the Father and the Holy Spirit.
The 2x2s believe Jesus forgives their past and present sins, they pray and give Him praises and adoration EVERY Sunday morning worship gathering on the same level as God the Father and Holy Spirit... by partaken the Emblems symbolic= Bread/His life and teachings and Wine/his blood forgive their sins. But how can they say Jesus forgives their sins when only God can forgive sins?
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Post by nathan on Nov 21, 2019 21:42:04 GMT -5
How can they deny the Deity of Jesus? when ALL of the workers and the friends believe Jesus is the Son of God, who SAVES people. The workers want their converts to follow Jesus Christ NOT themselves. They just lost the knowledge of the Jesus is God the Christ! when the overseers and senior workers in 1960s preached and taught the Trinity is the RCC doctrine and it's a heresy/pagans doctrine. Their problem is NOT understanding the word God/Elohim is plural- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit.
The 2x2s believe the word God refers ONLY to the Father and NOT the Son/Christ. So, they run into a lot of problems in their way of thinking. The 2x2 need some majors adjustment so they can SEE and UNDERSTAND the Trinity and Triune God clearly.
The 2x2s have a good foundation for believing Jesus is the Son of God and that is all they KNOW and believe... Christ is God and Lord is beyond their understanding, comprehension because they had been feeding ONLY in the sincere milk of the word of God and NOT the meat= The Deity of Christ, Christ is God and Lord just like unto God the Father and the Holy Spirit.
The 2x2s believe Jesus forgives their past and present sins, they pray and give Him praises and adoration EVERY Sunday morning worship gathering on the same level as God the Father and Holy Spirit... by partaken the Emblems symbolic= Bread/His life and teachings and Wine/his blood forgive their sins. But how can they say Jesus forgives their sins when only God can forgive sins? To the 2x2s understanding and comprehension Jesus is the SON of God! and that is ALL they understand. Therefore, He can forgive sins. Their understanding on Jesus is very simple/basic sincere milk of the word, No meat= Deity of Christ or Deity of Christ/God understanding is withhold from them like a veil has covered their face so they can't see Him beyond Jesus is God the Christ, yet.
The early days workers had a clear understanding of who Jesus is God/Christ the LORD, who SAVES them from their sins.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 22:00:52 GMT -5
Mark 2:7 says only God can forgive sins. I just heard in a sermon that for those who do not believe in the deity of Jesus, naturally there is no forgiveness of their sins because only God can forgive sins. Seems reasonable when you think about it. When I first begin to believe in the triune God, I wasn’t sure that believing Jesus is God the Son was necessary for one’s salvation. But the longer I’ve believed and learned about the triune God, it IS vital for one’s salvation. For the simple reason there can be no forgiveness of sins to the point of cleansing our hearts and minds of our sins if we don’t believe that the one who died for our sins is God the Son. So that makes it very dangerous for the 2x2s that fervently deny Jesus’ deity. i believe in the trinity but NOWHERE in the bible does it say believing/understanding that is a requirement for salvation...this is what it really says: Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 21, 2019 23:11:20 GMT -5
Mark 2:7 says only God can forgive sins. I just heard in a sermon that for those who do not believe in the deity of Jesus, naturally there is no forgiveness of their sins because only God can forgive sins. Seems reasonable when you think about it. When I first begin to believe in the triune God, I wasn’t sure that believing Jesus is God the Son was necessary for one’s salvation. But the longer I’ve believed and learned about the triune God, it IS vital for one’s salvation. For the simple reason there can be no forgiveness of sins to the point of cleansing our hearts and minds of our sins if we don’t believe that the one who died for our sins is God the Son. So that makes it very dangerous for the 2x2s that fervently deny Jesus’ deity. i believe in the trinity but NOWHERE in the bible does it say believing/understanding that is a requirement for salvation...this is what it really says: Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. I John 5:10 says that if we don’t believe the record that the Father gave if his Son then we do not have the witness within nor are we true believers in Christ Jesus. Verse 11explaains what that means “And this is the record , that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.” Only GOD is from everlasting to everlasting. And if Jesus has eternal life he is God. And we must believe he is able to bring us eternal life because he is everlasting as the Father is. EDIT: Hebrews says Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. So that means he is God, he has eternal life, he is God the Son.
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Post by nathan on Nov 21, 2019 23:42:05 GMT -5
How can they deny the Deity of Jesus? when ALL of the workers and the friends believe Jesus is the Son of God, who SAVES people. The workers want their converts to follow Jesus Christ NOT themselves. They just lost the knowledge of the Jesus is God the Christ! when the overseers and senior workers in 1960s preached and taught the Trinity is the RCC doctrine and it's a heresy/pagans doctrine. Their problem is NOT understanding the word God/Elohim is plural- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit.
The 2x2s believe the word God refers ONLY to the Father and NOT the Son/Christ. So, they run into a lot of problems in their way of thinking. The 2x2 need some majors adjustment so they can SEE and UNDERSTAND the Trinity and Triune God clearly.
The 2x2s have a good foundation for believing Jesus is the Son of God and that is all they KNOW and believe... Christ is God and Lord is beyond their understanding, comprehension because they had been feeding ONLY in the sincere milk of the word of God and NOT the meat= The Deity of Christ, Christ is God and Lord just like unto God the Father and the Holy Spirit.
The 2x2s believe Jesus forgives their past and present sins, they pray and give Him praises and adoration EVERY Sunday morning worship gathering on the same level as God the Father and Holy Spirit... by partaken the Emblems symbolic= Bread/His life and teachings and Wine/his blood forgive their sins. But how can they say Jesus forgives their sins when only God can forgive sins? What people don't understand is Son of God and God the Son are the same meaning. Therefore, Jesus is God the Christ/Son can forgive sins. Christ/God is eternal so is Jesus= Emmanuel means God is with us.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 23:42:14 GMT -5
i believe in the trinity but NOWHERE in the bible does it say believing/understanding that is a requirement for salvation...this is what it really says: Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. I John 5:10 says that if we don’t believe the record that the Father gave if his Son then we do not have the witness within nor are we true believers in Christ Jesus. Verse 11explaains what that means “And this is the record , that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.” Only GOD is from everlasting to everlasting. And if Jesus has eternal life he is God. And we must believe he is able to bring us eternal life because he is everlasting as the Father is. EDIT: Hebrews says Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. So that means he is God, he has eternal life, he is God the Son. none of that still says you have to believe or understand the trinity to be saved....
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Post by nathan on Nov 21, 2019 23:46:49 GMT -5
I John 5:10 says that if we don’t believe the record that the Father gave if his Son then we do not have the witness within nor are we true believers in Christ Jesus. Verse 11explaains what that means “And this is the record , that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.” Only GOD is from everlasting to everlasting. And if Jesus has eternal life he is God. And we must believe he is able to bring us eternal life because he is everlasting as the Father is. EDIT: Hebrews says Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. So that means he is God, he has eternal life, he is God the Son. none of that still says you have to believe or understand the trinity to be saved.... To be SAVED is to believe Jesus is the Son of God or God the Son/Christ. It's Jesus/God who died for our sins. Once we are SAVED then Jesus will reveal to us who God the Father, and the Holy Spirit are. We read that what Jesus did with the apostles in John chapters 13-17. Jesus told them how him, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit they will come and dwell in their hearts and ours.
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Post by Dan on Nov 22, 2019 0:28:14 GMT -5
But how can they say Jesus forgives their sins when only God can forgive sins? "And Jesus said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?" (Luke 7: 48-49).
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Post by nathan on Nov 22, 2019 0:43:37 GMT -5
Mark 2:7 says only God can forgive sins. I just heard in a sermon that for those who do not believe in the deity of Jesus, naturally there is no forgiveness of their sins because only God can forgive sins. Seems reasonable when you think about it. When I first begin to believe in the triune God, I wasn’t sure that believing Jesus is God the Son was necessary for one’s salvation. But the longer I’ve believed and learned about the triune God, it IS vital for one’s salvation. For the simple reason there can be no forgiveness of sins to the point of cleansing our hearts and minds of our sins if we don’t believe that the one who died for our sins is God the Son. So that makes it very dangerous for the 2x2s that fervently deny Jesus’ deity. i believe in the trinity but NOWHERE in the bible does it say believing/understanding that is a requirement for salvation...this is what it really says: Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. After we received Salvation from Jesus/God, WE believers will COME to KNOW about God the Father and the Holy Spirit, who will come and dwell in our hearts. The Holy Spirit will reveal the Godhead- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit KNOWN to us so we come together to Worship THEM in Spirit and in Truth on earth= 1st day of the week to commemorate Christ's Passover.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 22, 2019 11:09:18 GMT -5
But how can they say Jesus forgives their sins when only God can forgive sins? "And Jesus said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?" (Luke 7: 48-49).
It’s been made clear previously in Mark 2:7-10 by Jesus that he had power in earth to forgive sins because he is the Son if God or God the Son. The Pharisees and scribes knew exactly what Jesus was saying. Time and time again he was accused by the Jews he committed blasphemy by saying he was the Son of God or he was doing inly things God can do. This is why they sought to kill him. They knew to claim to be God’s Son was putting himself equal to God. The Bible says in Phillipians 2:6 that he didn’t think it robbery to be equal to the Father(to God). This is the ignorance that some have in not understanding what the Bible is saying. As John said if all things had been written it would be that the world could not contain the books. Jesus as God the Son being believed as such IS THE KEY OF KNOWLEDGE TO THESE SCRIPTURES. Throwing away the key of knowledge Jesus spoke about.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 22, 2019 13:34:01 GMT -5
I John 5:10 says that if we don’t believe the record that the Father gave if his Son then we do not have the witness within nor are we true believers in Christ Jesus. Verse 11explaains what that means “And this is the record , that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.” Only GOD is from everlasting to everlasting. And if Jesus has eternal life he is God. And we must believe he is able to bring us eternal life because he is everlasting as the Father is. EDIT: Hebrews says Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. So that means he is God, he has eternal life, he is God the Son. none of that still says you have to believe or understand the trinity to be saved.... You are not understanding that verse in I John 5:11, if you understood that only God is eternal, then you’d understand that’s what God was giving record of is that Jesus is eternal also and since only God is eternal thus Jesus is God! It plainly states we have to believe the record God has given of his Son to have eternal life or to be saved and it is through that eternal life known as Jesus Christ the Son of God or God the Son. People do not understand what the Jews understood, that in saying Jesus is the Son of God we are actually saying he is God or he is equal to God. The Bible says Jesus possessed the Godhead bodily. To put it in simpler easier terms for those who have reading comprehension problems. Jesus possessing the Godhead bodily is saying he is God come in the flesh. NIV Bible says that Jesus is in very nature God. HOW CAN JESUS BE ANYTHING BUT GOD, WHEN GOD THE FATHER BEGAT ALL BY HIMSELF BEFORE THE WORLD EVER BECAME? There is no other person or being involved in his Son’s begetting. If we were to consider it through human inheritance, we’d say Jesus genetic makeup is entirely the Father’s.
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Post by snow on Nov 22, 2019 14:09:55 GMT -5
Jesus never said he was God the son. He called himself the son of man and the son of god and he also said that all of his followers were sons and daughters of god just like him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 16:02:46 GMT -5
none of that still says you have to believe or understand the trinity to be saved.... You are not understanding that verse in I John 5:11, if you understood that only God is eternal, then you’d understand that’s what God was giving record of is that Jesus is eternal also and since only God is eternal thus Jesus is God! It plainly states we have to believe the record God has given of his Son to have eternal life or to be saved and it is through that eternal life known as Jesus Christ the Son of God or God the Son. People do not understand what the Jews understood, that in saying Jesus is the Son of God we are actually saying he is God or he is equal to God. The Bible says Jesus possessed the Godhead bodily. To put it in simpler easier terms for those who have reading comprehension problems. Jesus possessing the Godhead bodily is saying he is God come in the flesh. NIV Bible says that Jesus is in very nature God. HOW CAN JESUS BE ANYTHING BUT GOD, WHEN GOD THE FATHER BEGAT ALL BY HIMSELF BEFORE THE WORLD EVER BECAME? There is no other person or being involved in his Son’s begetting. If we were to consider it through human inheritance, we’d say Jesus genetic makeup is entirely the Father’s. i am not arguing that the trinity doesn't exist i'm saying there i nothing in the bible that says its a requirement to know or understand that for salvation...you've failed to show me even one verse that says that....
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Post by nathan on Nov 22, 2019 16:28:00 GMT -5
Jesus never said he was God the son. He called himself the son of man and the son of god and he also said that all of his followers were sons and daughters of god just like him. ** Jesus is the Son of God means God the Son/ Christ. Christ/God is our Creator and we humans are His creation/ created beings. We/believers have become sons and daughters of God through Christ/God who came down from heaven to earth in the person Jesus to pay the ransom price for our sins. In Hebrews 1 God the Father called the Son "God and LORD" in Rev. 1 jesus said he is the Almighty and Rev. 21 Jesus said he is God and we are His son and daughters. Therefore, Christ/God can forgive sins because he paid our sins with His own precious blood, the Lamb of God in the person Jesus.
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Post by nathan on Nov 22, 2019 16:55:56 GMT -5
You are not understanding that verse in I John 5:11, if you understood that only God is eternal, then you’d understand that’s what God was giving record of is that Jesus is eternal also and since only God is eternal thus Jesus is God! It plainly states we have to believe the record God has given of his Son to have eternal life or to be saved and it is through that eternal life known as Jesus Christ the Son of God or God the Son. People do not understand what the Jews understood, that in saying Jesus is the Son of God we are actually saying he is God or he is equal to God. The Bible says Jesus possessed the Godhead bodily. To put it in simpler easier terms for those who have reading comprehension problems. Jesus possessing the Godhead bodily is saying he is God come in the flesh. NIV Bible says that Jesus is in very nature God. HOW CAN JESUS BE ANYTHING BUT GOD, WHEN GOD THE FATHER BEGAT ALL BY HIMSELF BEFORE THE WORLD EVER BECAME? There is no other person or being involved in his Son’s begetting. If we were to consider it through human inheritance, we’d say Jesus genetic makeup is entirely the Father’s. i am not arguing that the trinity doesn't exist i'm saying there i nothing in the bible that says its a requirement to know or understand that for salvation...you've failed to show me even one verse that says that.... ** God the Father and Jesus teach we MUST believe in Him/Jesus to receive Salvation. Jesus is Part of the Godhead- Father, Christ and Holy. To believe in Jesus the believers MUST accept and believe in God the Father and Holy Spirit part of the TRINITY or Triune God.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 22, 2019 17:16:11 GMT -5
i am not arguing that the trinity doesn't exist i'm saying there i nothing in the bible that says its a requirement to know or understand that for salvation...you've failed to show me even one verse that says that.... ** God the Father and Jesus teach we MUST believe in Him/Jesus to receive Salvation. Jesus is Part of the Godhead- Father, Christ and Holy. To believe in Jesus the believers MUST accept and believe in God the Father and Holy Spirit part of the TRINITY or Triune God. Exactly, as Jesus said that the Apostles were to baptize people in the “name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit”. Otherwords “name” is singular and as baptism in water means our old man’s nature has been buried with God the Son Jesus””, and we arise out of the baptismal waters a new man as he arose from the grave with an eternal body! To baptize in God’s name would not be in error but for new baptizees it’s important they connect water baptism with Jesus’ death and resurrection unto eternal life. Of course, we don’t get our eternal bodies until the rapture.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 22, 2019 17:20:24 GMT -5
You are not understanding that verse in I John 5:11, if you understood that only God is eternal, then you’d understand that’s what God was giving record of is that Jesus is eternal also and since only God is eternal thus Jesus is God! It plainly states we have to believe the record God has given of his Son to have eternal life or to be saved and it is through that eternal life known as Jesus Christ the Son of God or God the Son. People do not understand what the Jews understood, that in saying Jesus is the Son of God we are actually saying he is God or he is equal to God. The Bible says Jesus possessed the Godhead bodily. To put it in simpler easier terms for those who have reading comprehension problems. Jesus possessing the Godhead bodily is saying he is God come in the flesh. NIV Bible says that Jesus is in very nature God. HOW CAN JESUS BE ANYTHING BUT GOD, WHEN GOD THE FATHER BEGAT ALL BY HIMSELF BEFORE THE WORLD EVER BECAME? There is no other person or being involved in his Son’s begetting. If we were to consider it through human inheritance, we’d say Jesus genetic makeup is entirely the Father’s. i am not arguing that the trinity doesn't exist i'm saying there i nothing in the bible that says its a requirement to know or understand that for salvation...you've failed to show me even one verse that says that.... It does say it when it says you must believe in Jesus to be saved. Believing in Jesus Christ is knowing he is the Son of God. I was showing you that the JEWS UNDERSTOOD THAT SAYING JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD MAKES HIM GOD OR equal to God, Jews understood that, why do others fail where the Jews understood?
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Post by snow on Nov 23, 2019 13:44:37 GMT -5
Jesus never said he was God the son. He called himself the son of man and the son of god and he also said that all of his followers were sons and daughters of god just like him. ** Jesus is the Son of God means God the Son/ Christ. Christ/God is our Creator and we humans are His creation/ created beings. We/believers have become sons and daughters of God through Christ/God who came down from heaven to earth in the person Jesus to pay the ransom price for our sins. In Hebrews 1 God the Father called the Son "God and LORD" in Rev. 1 jesus said he is the Almighty and Rev. 21 Jesus said he is God and we are His son and daughters. Therefore, Christ/God can forgive sins because he paid our sins with His own precious blood, the Lamb of God in the person Jesus. No, calling himself the son of God does not mean he was God the son. That's not what it means. Jesus said we were all sons and daughters of God. So does that mean that when we call ourselves sons of God that it means we are all God the sons? That's just not an accurate interpretation and the trinity concept wasn't even there in the beginning of the Christian religion. Mark doesn't even talk about the resurrection for that matter. It got added later when it became popular that he somehow survived death. But early Christians didn't believe he was resurrected. That got popular later and Paul had a lot to do with that because of his exposure to the entity called the Christos in other religions. There was a huge rift between the Petrine sect of Christians and the Paulines, another sect of Christians. There was a lot of blood shed between the two groups and it was only when Constantine gave the backing to the trinity doctrine that it became the doctrine of the RCC.
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Post by janj on Nov 23, 2019 15:19:40 GMT -5
Mark 2:7 says only God can forgive sins. I just heard in a sermon that for those who do not believe in the deity of Jesus, naturally there is no forgiveness of their sins because only God can forgive sins. Seems reasonable when you think about it. When I first begin to believe in the triune God, I wasn’t sure that believing Jesus is God the Son was necessary for one’s salvation. But the longer I’ve believed and learned about the triune God, it IS vital for one’s salvation. For the simple reason there can be no forgiveness of sins to the point of cleansing our hearts and minds of our sins if we don’t believe that the one who died for our sins is God the Son. So that makes it very dangerous for the 2x2s that fervently deny Jesus’ deity. How can they deny the Deity of Jesus? when ALL of the workers and the friends believe Jesus is the Son of God, who SAVES people. The workers want their converts to follow Jesus Christ NOT themselves. They just lost the knowledge of the Jesus is God the Christ! when the overseers and senior workers in 1960s preached and taught the Trinity is the RCC doctrine and it's a heresy/pagans doctrine. Their problem is NOT understanding the word God/Elohim is plural- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit.
The 2x2s believe the word God refers ONLY to the Father and NOT the Son/Christ. So, they run into a lot of problems in their way of thinking. The 2x2 need some majors adjustment so they can SEE and UNDERSTAND the Trinity and Triune God clearly.
The 2x2s have a good foundation for believing Jesus is the Son of God and that is all they KNOW and believe... Christ is God and Lord is beyond their understanding, comprehension because they had been feeding ONLY in the sincere milk of the word of God and NOT the meat= The Deity of Christ, Christ is God and Lord just like unto God the Father and the Holy Spirit.
The 2x2s believe Jesus forgives their past and present sins, they pray and give Him praises and adoration EVERY Sunday morning worship gathering on the same level as God the Father and Holy Spirit... by partaken the Emblems symbolic= Bread/His life and teachings and Wine/his blood forgive their sins. Oh help-self righteous and pompous MUCH!!
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Post by nathan on Nov 23, 2019 17:09:22 GMT -5
How can they deny the Deity of Jesus? when ALL of the workers and the friends believe Jesus is the Son of God, who SAVES people. The workers want their converts to follow Jesus Christ NOT themselves. They just lost the knowledge of the Jesus is God the Christ! when the overseers and senior workers in 1960s preached and taught the Trinity is the RCC doctrine and it's a heresy/pagans doctrine. Their problem is NOT understanding the word God/Elohim is plural- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit.
The 2x2s believe the word God refers ONLY to the Father and NOT the Son/Christ. So, they run into a lot of problems in their way of thinking. The 2x2 need some majors adjustment so they can SEE and UNDERSTAND the Trinity and Triune God clearly.
The 2x2s have a good foundation for believing Jesus is the Son of God and that is all they KNOW and believe... Christ is God and Lord is beyond their understanding, comprehension because they had been feeding ONLY in the sincere milk of the word of God and NOT the meat= The Deity of Christ, Christ is God and Lord just like unto God the Father and the Holy Spirit.
The 2x2s believe Jesus forgives their past and present sins, they pray and give Him praises and adoration EVERY Sunday morning worship gathering on the same level as God the Father and Holy Spirit... by partaken the Emblems symbolic= Bread/His life and teachings and Wine/his blood forgive their sins. Oh help-self righteous and pompous MUCH!! ** How in the world you get self-righteous out of my post? When I am telling the truth and many readers on here know it.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 23, 2019 17:25:16 GMT -5
** Jesus is the Son of God means God the Son/ Christ. Christ/God is our Creator and we humans are His creation/ created beings. We/believers have become sons and daughters of God through Christ/God who came down from heaven to earth in the person Jesus to pay the ransom price for our sins. In Hebrews 1 God the Father called the Son "God and LORD" in Rev. 1 jesus said he is the Almighty and Rev. 21 Jesus said he is God and we are His son and daughters. Therefore, Christ/God can forgive sins because he paid our sins with His own precious blood, the Lamb of God in the person Jesus. No, calling himself the son of God does not mean he was God the son. That's not what it means . Jesus said we were all sons and daughters of God . So does that mean that when we call ourselves sons of God that it means we are all God the sons? That's just not an accurate interpretation and the trinity concept wasn't even there in the beginning of the Christian religion. Mark doesn't even talk about the resurrection for that matter. It got added later when it became popular that he somehow survived death. But early Christians didn't believe he was resurrected. That got popular later and Paul had a lot to do with that because of his exposure to the entity called the Christos in other religions. There was a huge rift between the Petrine sect of Christians and the Paulines, another sect of Christians. There was a lot of blood shed between the two groups and it was only when Constantine gave the backing to the trinity doctrine that it became the doctrine of the RCC. Thank you, Snow, -for sitting that straight.
Not that those who think that they know what happened will ever understand that.
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Post by janj on Nov 23, 2019 18:35:16 GMT -5
Oh help-self righteous and pompous MUCH!! ** How in the world you get self-righteous out of my post? When I am telling the truth and many readers on here know it. No -your opinion that others in your church are wrong because they don't think like you is self righteous -you are telling the truth according to Nathan!!
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Post by speak on Nov 23, 2019 19:50:05 GMT -5
** How in the world you get self-righteous out of my post? When I am telling the truth and many readers on here know it. No -your opinion that others in your church are wrong because they don't think like you is self righteous -you are telling the truth according to Nathan!! I had this same thing out with nathan a while ago, obviously to no avail.
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Post by nathan on Nov 23, 2019 22:00:36 GMT -5
** How in the world you get self-righteous out of my post? When I am telling the truth and many readers on here know it. No -your opinion that others in your church are wrong because they don't think like you is self righteous -you are telling the truth according to Nathan!! ** which subject are you referring to that I say the 2x2 is wrong?
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Post by nathan on Nov 23, 2019 22:03:08 GMT -5
No -your opinion that others in your church are wrong because they don't think like you is self righteous -you are telling the truth according to Nathan!! I had this same thing out with nathan a while ago, obviously to no avail. ** I am not wrong because I back up my points with proof. You just don't like my answers because it doesn't agree with your belief. STR, can see these errors clearly and has pointed out to the 2x2s and I agree with her understanding on this subject.
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Post by speak on Nov 24, 2019 0:30:01 GMT -5
I had this same thing out with nathan a while ago, obviously to no avail. ** I am not wrong because I back up my points with proof. You just don't like my answers because it doesn't agree with your belief. STR, can see these errors clearly and has pointed out to the 2x2s and I agree with her understanding on this subject. It was not about the trinity it was about you telling others that they didn't know or understand certain things. As it seems this is something you don't know or understand. janj posted this message to you please read and understand [your opinion that others in your church are wrong because they don't think like you is self righteous -you are telling the truth according to Nathan!!]
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