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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 8, 2019 2:50:44 GMT -5
What cave are you living in? Be happy for you to show me Man creating something from nothing!. You must believe that God made everything from Nothing. No one knows that.
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Post by chuck on Nov 8, 2019 3:43:06 GMT -5
Be happy for you to show me Man creating something from nothing!. You must believe that God made everything from Nothing. No one knows that. I believe God brought into existence the things Man cannot!. Is that better?.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 8, 2019 3:46:39 GMT -5
You must believe that God made everything from Nothing. No one knows that. I believe God brought into existence the things Man cannot!. Is that better?. That is a belief based on your knowledge of and faith in the much discredited bible. Without that knowledge and faith you are nothing. People prefer facts not mythology.
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Post by chuck on Nov 8, 2019 4:14:36 GMT -5
I believe God brought into existence the things Man cannot!. Is that better?. That is a belief based on your knowledge of and faith in the much discredited bible. Without that knowledge and faith you are nothing. People prefer facts not mythology. Discredited in your eyes. What sort of facts would you prefer? ones that you agree with I suppose!.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 8, 2019 4:23:36 GMT -5
That is a belief based on your knowledge of and faith in the much discredited bible. Without that knowledge and faith you are nothing. People prefer facts not mythology. Discredited in your eyes. What sort of facts would you prefer? ones that you agree with I suppose!. Tell me about camels that are mentioned in the bible. Tell me about the date palm which is called a tree in the bible. Tell me about the bat which is called a bird in the bible.
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Post by chuck on Nov 8, 2019 6:13:02 GMT -5
Discredited in your eyes. What sort of facts would you prefer? ones that you agree with I suppose!. Tell me about camels that are mentioned in the bible. Tell me about the date palm which is called a tree in the bible. Tell me about the bat which is called a bird in the bible. What would you like me to tell you?. Or more to the point, what dont you agree with?.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 8, 2019 7:31:20 GMT -5
You must believe that God made everything from Nothing. No one knows that. I believe God brought into existence the things Man cannot!. Is that better?. Common belief. Certainly won't harm anyone. Ironic that god was created by man, on the other hand.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 8, 2019 13:21:43 GMT -5
Tell me about camels that are mentioned in the bible. Tell me about the date palm which is called a tree in the bible. Tell me about the bat which is called a bird in the bible. What would you like me to tell you?. Or more to the point, what dont you agree with?. The reason I mentioned those three examples is that what is said about them in the bible is incorrect. For a supernatural being, your god gets his inspiring quite wrong. I would have thought she could have done better.
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Post by snow on Nov 8, 2019 14:05:38 GMT -5
We don't know how everything came into existence. We only know that it exists. Saying the Christian God is responsible doesn't make a lot of sense. There have been so many different Gods over the centuries that people believe created everything that the likelihood of the Christian God being the one is pretty low in probability. Then there is always the problem with how the Christian God comes from nothing. We really have no idea why our universe exists. We do know how it came into existence but not why. By saying such and such God is responsible is just a way of thinking you have information that helps you make sense of your existence. But we don't know anything like that and filling in what we don't know with information that cannot be verified doesn't make sense to me. I would rather not know than insert something that has no proof of existence.
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Post by chuck on Nov 8, 2019 16:48:37 GMT -5
What would you like me to tell you?. Or more to the point, what dont you agree with?. The reason I mentioned those three examples is that what is said about them in the bible is incorrect. For a supernatural being, your god gets his inspiring quite wrong. I would have thought she could have done better. So because a date palm is called a tree, bat/bird, that discredits the bible? or is there more to this story?
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 8, 2019 17:18:36 GMT -5
The reason I mentioned those three examples is that what is said about them in the bible is incorrect. For a supernatural being, your god gets his inspiring quite wrong. I would have thought she could have done better. So because a date palm is called a tree, bat/bird, that discredits the bible? or is there more to this story? Don't be silly. If a tractor is not an automobile, does that discredit the automobile industry? There is fat more to the story.
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Post by chuck on Nov 8, 2019 17:20:25 GMT -5
So because a date palm is called a tree, bat/bird, that discredits the bible? or is there more to this story? Don't be silly. If a tractor is not an automobile, does that discredit the automobile industry? There is fat more to the story. Well tell it then!.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 8, 2019 17:22:44 GMT -5
Don't be silly. If a tractor is not an automobile, does that discredit the automobile industry? There is fat more to the story. Well tell it then!. How many verses are there in the Bible???
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Post by chuck on Nov 8, 2019 17:33:37 GMT -5
I believe God brought into existence the things Man cannot!. Is that better?. Common belief. Certainly won't harm anyone. Ironic that god was created by man, on the other hand. And when did this happen?
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 8, 2019 17:49:51 GMT -5
Common belief. Certainly won't harm anyone. Ironic that god was created by man, on the other hand. And when did this happen? It happened many millennia ago. Our most recent morphing happened in about the third century C.E.
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Post by chuck on Nov 8, 2019 17:56:34 GMT -5
And when did this happen? It happened many millennia ago. Our most recent morphing happened in about the third century C.E. Dont tell me you don't know?. I get show down in flames for vague answers.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 8, 2019 18:18:48 GMT -5
It happened many millennia ago. Our most recent morphing happened in about the third century C.E. Dont tell me you don't know?. I get show down in flames for vague answers. Actually I do know. I just don't have the time and this forum doesn't have the space.
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Post by chuck on Nov 8, 2019 18:25:46 GMT -5
Dont tell me you don't know?. I get show down in flames for vague answers. Actually I do know. I just don't have the time and this forum doesn't have the space. Unbelievable. I suppose its a rock solid unchallangable source/s as well. But as you say, we'll just have to take your word for it!. 🤦♂️
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Post by snow on Nov 9, 2019 13:06:26 GMT -5
Actually I do know. I just don't have the time and this forum doesn't have the space. Unbelievable. I suppose its a rock solid unchallangable source/s as well. But as you say, we'll just have to take your word for it!. 🤦♂️ Well it wouldn't be the first time that something is believed because they just took someone's word for it.
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Post by chuck on Nov 9, 2019 20:18:10 GMT -5
Unbelievable. I suppose its a rock solid unchallangable source/s as well. But as you say, we'll just have to take your word for it!. 🤦♂️ Well it wouldn't be the first time that something is believed because they just took someone's word for it. That was my point. If I suggest it im a religious nutter that believes in a apprantly discredited bible. But when he says it, it's Truth and its unchallangable.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 10, 2019 0:01:37 GMT -5
Well it wouldn't be the first time that something is believed because they just took someone's word for it. That was my point. If I suggest it im a religious nutter that believes in a apprantly discredited bible. But when he says it, it's Truth and its unchallangable. Are you talking about what I wrote?
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 10, 2019 3:00:24 GMT -5
The reason I mentioned those three examples is that what is said about them in the bible is incorrect. For a supernatural being, your god gets his inspiring quite wrong. I would have thought she could have done better. So because a date palm is called a tree, bat/bird, that discredits the bible? or is there more to this story? What this "story" - the bible, -does tell us is whoever wrote this story must not have known these particular details and therefor why should we put so much value into anything else that the bible may say that may also be in error.
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Post by snow on Nov 10, 2019 13:59:09 GMT -5
So because a date palm is called a tree, bat/bird, that discredits the bible? or is there more to this story? What this "story" - the bible, -does tell us is whoever wrote this story must not have known these particular details and therefor why should we put so much value into anything else that the bible may say that may also be in error.
It should at least trigger some critical evaluation of the rest of the bible you'd think. But religion is not nor has ever been about verifiable truths, it's about believing, having strong faith in things that one wouldn't believe otherwise. So when atheists expect theists to examine their faith with logic and critical thinking, it makes no sense because they never came to those conclusions that way in the first place. Belief in Gods is about having faith as there is no way of showing evidence that their God or any other God actually exists, or if it does, actually believes what they believe.
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Post by SharonArnold on Nov 24, 2019 19:47:18 GMT -5
remember the hubby's son saying that he prayed for God to keep him safe in Iraq and God did so. I asked what about those that prayed the same and lost their lives? At that time there was a story on the news of nuns in another country being raped and murdered. I wondered why their god did not keep them safe. Surely they prayed. A powerful message from a war. This is a very poignant message, and it makes me bow my head, and examine my own heart. It could make me feel cynical, hopeless. Even... superior... in a perverse sort of way. But it doesn't. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn: "If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" I feel liberty - and hope - the more I am able to recognize and accept both the good and evil in my own heart. It helps me recognize both the good and evil in others. No matter how they may cloak themselves in virtue, or not. It fills me with purpose and determination in how I live each and every day.
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 24, 2019 20:47:37 GMT -5
A powerful message from a war. This is a very poignant message, and it makes me bow my head, and examine my own heart. It could make me feel cynical, hopeless. Even... superior... in a perverse sort of way. But it doesn't. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn: "If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" I feel liberty - and hope - the more I am able to recognize and accept both the good and evil in my own heart. It helps me recognize both the good and evil in others. No matter how they may cloak themselves in virtue, or not. It fills me with purpose and determination in how I live each and every day. The person who understands the evil in his own heart is the only person who is useful, fruitful, and solid in his beliefs and obedience. Others only delude themselves and thus upset families, churches, and all other relationships. In their self-pride and judgment of others, they show great inconsistency. John Owen
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 24, 2019 22:54:17 GMT -5
A powerful message from a war. This is a very poignant message, and it makes me bow my head, and examine my own heart. It could make me feel cynical, hopeless. Even... superior... in a perverse sort of way. But it doesn't. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn: "If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" I feel liberty - and hope - the more I am able to recognize and accept both the good and evil in my own heart. It helps me recognize both the good and evil in others. No matter how they may cloak themselves in virtue, or not. It fills me with purpose and determination in how I live each and every day. Thank you for that, Sharon.
I believe that you stated it be very well.
That we must first really be "able to recognize and accept both the good and evil in my own heart." To accept this in ourselves is humbling -but necessary; -otherwise we cannot do anything to combat it in the rest of the world.
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