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Post by chuck on Oct 26, 2019 10:22:50 GMT -5
Ive fixed it. I haven't run from anything. I believe in good works. I just don't believe they save you as I cannot find any scripture that supports your narrative. There is a bucket load however warning against works salvation that you cannot explain away. As usual Grats, you don't listen. Do you understand what 'works' actually are? God calls us into service. That service is to do the good works that he has called us to do. He provides us with grace to do his will. If you cannot see that in the scripture that I have provided, then you are quite simply blind, either wilfully or otherwise. What I have stated aligns with the life of Jesus Christ, something you cannot deny and flee from addressing. Do you keep the commandments(law) perfectly?. If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right.But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” also said, “You shall not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker. - James 2:8-11 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James2:8-11&version=NIV
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Post by nathan on Oct 26, 2019 10:30:34 GMT -5
I understand you are or were employed. You were called into service by your employer. If you didn't do the work your employer hired you to do, would you expect him/her to pay you? Start reading the parables that Jesus used in this context. Start reading the appropriate references made by Jesus, Paul, et al. There's plenty there. Salvation is like making 5 years car or mortgage 30 yrs house payments as long you keep making payments every month then you can drive the car or live in the house, but if for some reasons you can't/refuse to make the payment for 3 months then the bank will give you written notice and they will take back the car, the house.
We must work almost every day to make money so we can make the payments. Salvation is FREE but works and commitment must follow to the end of the term/life. Jesus said in Matthew 24, "He that ENDURES unto the END shall be SAVED."
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Post by chuck on Oct 26, 2019 10:54:32 GMT -5
What are the works you think will give you salvation? I understand you are or were employed. You were called into service by your employer. If you didn't do the work your employer hired you to do, would you expect him/her to pay you? Start reading the parables that Jesus used in this context. Start reading the appropriate references made by Jesus, Paul, et al. There's plenty there. The bible says exactly that. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith —and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. - Ephesians 2:8-10 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians2:8-10&version=NIVTrust that Christ can save you. Salvation. Once your saved you do righteous good works because sin is no longer your master. In that specific order. Not, Trust Christ can save you. A lifetime journey of saving good works. Then salvation. No where in the bible is it in that order. The works up until your salvation are not Justified so why will they count to your salvation?.
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Post by mountain on Oct 26, 2019 12:00:28 GMT -5
I understand you are or were employed. You were called into service by your employer. If you didn't do the work your employer hired you to do, would you expect him/her to pay you? Start reading the parables that Jesus used in this context. Start reading the appropriate references made by Jesus, Paul, et al. There's plenty there. I believe what Jesus said about works of God. John 6:28-29. Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered, and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Ephesians 2 says Faith is a gift.. When the Father came to Jesus to heal his child , Jesus said, O ye of little of faith... The Father then CRIED “Lord! Help thou mine unbelief.” That explains the work that God has for us. Jesus said when he returns and finds a believer not fasting and praying, and treating his servants so badly. He would assign their rewards with the unbelievers. Watching and praying are the work that Jesus asks us to do. God asks us to work to believe on him whom he hath sent. No long detailed works expected. Other works we do follow salvation which is already bought and paid for. Free of charge! Belief is an active force not a mere acknowledgement. Believing in Jesus means having faith in him, to follow him in his way, truth and life.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 26, 2019 12:13:01 GMT -5
I believe what Jesus said about works of God. John 6:28-29. Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered, and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Ephesians 2 says Faith is a gift.. When the Father came to Jesus to heal his child , Jesus said, O ye of little of faith... The Father then CRIED “Lord! Help thou mine unbelief.” That explains the work that God has for us. Jesus said when he returns and finds a believer not fasting and praying, and treating his servants so badly. He would assign their rewards with the unbelievers. Watching and praying are the work that Jesus asks us to do. God asks us to work to believe on him whom he hath sent. No long detailed works expected. Other works we do follow salvation which is already bought and paid for. Free of charge! Belief is an active force not a mere acknowledgement. Believing in Jesus means having faith in him, to follow him in his way, truth and life. Not follow him! He is THE WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIFE. Following isn’t what you do you got to have him within you and that’s impossible until you’re a true believer and have the “witness within.”
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Post by mountain on Oct 26, 2019 12:24:01 GMT -5
In Romans 10 and 11 Paul is describing the difference between the former observances of the old Law which required human effort. This is the works that he is stating no longer apply. The coming of Christ brought in the age of grace, which superseded the OT law and its works based practices, etc. God gives us grace to follow Christ. We are led by the Holy Spirit to do the good works which God has ordained us to do, without following the works based ordinances of the old law. We no longer follow the works of the law but are led by God himself through his Holy Spirit to do his good works. Jesus fulfilled the law and also showed us how to live a grace filled life. He pointed out to us that the works people saw him do, were not his own, but were the Father's. He was given grace to do these works. Whether during the age of the OT law, or during the subsequent age of grace, which is superior to the law, WORKS are essential. What people are confused by in the debates of salvation by works or by grace is this. The human based works of observing the old law no longer apply during the age of grace. We are now saved by the grace that God gives us through our faith in doing the good works that God has called us to do. Oh so God's grace was different in the old testament? He didn't require good works then but does now?. Abraham was justified when he believed, before all his good works, justified before lifetime of good works!. Why is God's grace different today?. Why does it require a life time of works for salvation today but not in Abraham's day?. Your dismissal of works salvation teaching due to being old testament law is rediculous. Are you suggesting we don't do law based works today?. We do it every day. Even our good works are sin, even if you do it for the right reason it is pride, which is sin!. Formerly, the Jews had to observe the OT laws and ordinances in accordance with their faith. God's Spirit, though active, was not poured out at that time. The Prophet Joel foretold of a time (Pentecost) when God would pour out his spirit onto his people. This is known as the Age of Grace which superseded the former Age of the Law. God's people are no longer under the age of law (which was imperfect) but are now under the age of Grace (which is perfect). We live by a higher level than the law. Joel 2:28-32 King James Version (KJV) 28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. Every true believer now has access to God's Spirit which is sent to dwell within them and lead them through their lives. If you study Matthew 5, 6 and 7, known as the Sermon on the Mount, which occurred at the beginning of Christ's ministry, this was the beginning of the transitional period from the Age of the Law to the Age of Grace. Jesus was comparing how things were formerly under the law, with how things would be under the New Testament Age of Grace. Things were taken to a new perfect level. The Jews, particularly the Pharisees, under the OT laws, etc., believed their good works done under the law made them righteous, in fact it made them self righteous and boastful. This is the Spirit that Paul was addressing during the transitional period. He explained to the Romans and Ephesians that we are not saved by these good works (lest any man should boast) (Ephesians 2 full chapter + Romans 10 + 11 both full chapters), but we are saved by grace (God's strengthening spirit) which enables us to do the good works that God has created us in Christ to do. We cannot do the good works of God in our own strength. We need God's empowering grace to do them. It is exactly how God worked through his human being son and it is the same with us. We must be obedient to the Word of God which is the power of God through faith unto salvation. Salvation is the culmination of a life journey. It is NOT a one off event.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 12:25:46 GMT -5
Belief is an active force not a mere acknowledgement. Believing in Jesus means having faith in him, to follow him in his way, truth and life. Not follow him! He is THE WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIFE. Following isn’t what you do you got to have him within you and that’s impossible until you’re a true believer and have the “witness within.” Mat_16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
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Post by mountain on Oct 26, 2019 12:26:20 GMT -5
Belief is an active force not a mere acknowledgement. Believing in Jesus means having faith in him, to follow him in his way, truth and life. Not follow him! He is THE WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIFE. Following isn’t what you do you got to have him within you and that’s impossible until you’re a true believer and have the “witness within.” After the resurrection, did the eyewitness believers follow Jesus in his way, his truth and his life, following his example, even unto sharing his martyrdom, or didn't they? Of course that requires the indwelling spirit of God to do. Just like Christ.
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Post by mountain on Oct 26, 2019 13:43:56 GMT -5
Not follow him! He is THE WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIFE. Following isn’t what you do you got to have him within you and that’s impossible until you’re a true believer and have the “witness within.” Mat_16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. THIS is what believing in Jesus really means. Following him in his way, his truth and his life.
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Post by mountain on Oct 26, 2019 13:52:12 GMT -5
And your point is? I have no quibble with these verses which are entirely consistent with my beliefs. We are on a salvation journey in which we are called to do the good works of God, which we were created in Christ Jesus to do. No matter which way you cut it Grats, works are an essential part of salvation. The old works of the law no longer apply, but the grace filled works that God calls us to do, most certainly apply. The salvation by works or by grace is something the theologians have made into a very confusing doctrinal mish mash, which bears little resemblance to the truth of the matter. Again, Abraham was justified before his salvation journey. Please explain why? And why it is different today that we need a salvation journey?. Are you suggesting that Abraham wasn't on a life journey with God?
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This "doesnt apply to me attitude" has me baffled. Every thing in the bible is relevant to us today. I'm baffled by how you come to make such a remark?
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Post by mountain on Oct 26, 2019 13:56:22 GMT -5
By your (mis)interpretation obviously. It is because I believe the record that God gives us of his son that distances myself from you. You love the man made extras which I reject. (Virgs) "that distances myself from you". Is that the God given good works speaking? Again the context of the remark was lost on you Grats. Had you been genuinely following my posts, you would have grasped the true meaning, rather than waiting to pounce on what you perceive to be a weakness.
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Post by mountain on Oct 26, 2019 14:00:24 GMT -5
As usual Grats, you don't listen. Do you understand what 'works' actually are? God calls us into service. That service is to do the good works that he has called us to do. He provides us with grace to do his will. If you cannot see that in the scripture that I have provided, then you are quite simply blind, either wilfully or otherwise. What I have stated aligns with the life of Jesus Christ, something you cannot deny and flee from addressing. Do you keep the commandments(law) perfectly?. If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right.But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” also said, “You shall not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker. - James 2:8-11 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James2:8-11&version=NIVThis is why I rely on the mercy of God and the shed blood of Christ my intercessor, provisions made for my shortcomings. Salvation is a journey with its victories and failures.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 26, 2019 14:22:46 GMT -5
Not follow him! He is THE WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIFE. Following isn’t what you do you got to have him within you and that’s impossible until you’re a true believer and have the “witness within.” Mat_16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. Yes, in denying himself we do follow him but that is still not saying it’s Jesus’ way, that’s his advice. Seems people have an extremely hard time in separating “Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.” From Jesus’ way of doing things.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 26, 2019 14:26:04 GMT -5
Mat_16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. THIS is what believing in Jesus really means. Following him in his way, his truth and his life. No! This is not what he meant! People are having an extreme hard time of differentiating between the way Jesus did things to his declaration of “I am the way, the truth, and the life.”
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Post by mountain on Oct 26, 2019 14:32:50 GMT -5
I understand you are or were employed. You were called into service by your employer. If you didn't do the work your employer hired you to do, would you expect him/her to pay you? Start reading the parables that Jesus used in this context. Start reading the appropriate references made by Jesus, Paul, et al. There's plenty there. The bible says exactly that. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith —and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. - Ephesians 2:8-10 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians2:8-10&version=NIVTrust that Christ can save you. Salvation. Once your saved you do righteous good works because sin is no longer your master. In that specific order. Not, Trust Christ can save you. A lifetime journey of saving good works. Then salvation. No where in the bible is it in that order. The works up until your salvation are not Justified so why will they count to your salvation?. Ah...I see. Once saved always saved, or those who turn away from Christ were never true believers in the first place, etc? Get thee behind me satan. Here is a little analogy for you to consider. I fall into a fast flowing, deep river and am in grave danger of being swept away and drowned. Virgs, sees my plight and throws me a lifeline, which I manage to grasp and hold onto tightly. It has stopped me being swept away by the current and will do so as long as I hold on. As I am being pulled towards the safety of the bank (read life's journey), I can contextually say concerning my plight....'I have been saved,' 'I am in the process of being saved,' 'I will be saved,' etc. All these statements are correct in their own context, but my salvation is certain once my perilous journey is over. My salvation is assured if I hold tightly onto my lifeline. If I let go my lifeline or turn away from my rescuer, my salvation is at grave risk. Once more - Grace saves us. It empowers us to do the good works that God has called us to do. These good works are an essential PART of salvation. They are not an add on or follow on. They are part and parcel of salvation. I think your mind is screwed up with visions of human works? We are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation. We must have faith. That faith must be a living faith not a dead one. A dead faith has no works. Our works give life to our faith. These works come through obedience to God. He gives us grace to do his will. He prepares our works in advance for us to do with his help. Go and do a study of the seven churches in Asia mentioned in Revelation 1-3. What is the common denominator in God's address to these churches? Most had things they had to repent of, but one or two received commendation. However, ALL seven of them were firmly engaged by the same words.....'I know thy works!' Their works were all important to God. That is how God began his address to them all. How it can be implied that our works follow on from salvation is clearly false. Quite simply, we are called into God's service to do his good works along our salvation journey.
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Post by mountain on Oct 26, 2019 14:42:16 GMT -5
THIS is what believing in Jesus really means. Following him in his way, his truth and his life. No! This is not what he meant! People are having an extreme hard time of differentiating between the way Jesus did things to his declaration of “I am the way, the truth, and the life.” Ah I see, Shaz. Jesus did things different to the way of God, the truth of God, and the life that is pleasing to God? Thanks for that. One thing though. Can you tell me what is so wrong with literally following Jesus in the way, truth and life, that leads to the Father?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 26, 2019 14:59:18 GMT -5
No! This is not what he meant! People are having an extreme hard time of differentiating between the way Jesus did things to his declaration of “I am the way, the truth, and the life.” Ah I see, Shaz. Jesus did things different to the way of God, the truth of God, and the life that is pleasing to God? Thanks for that. One thing though. Can you tell me what is so wrong with literally following Jesus in the way, truth and life, that leads to the Father? This is not what you’re understanding “He IS the Way, the Truth and the Life.” Just as he is the Good Shepherd. Just as he is the Strait Gate and the Narrow Way. Just as only He is our Redeemer. Just as he is our priest forever after the order of Melchizedek. Just as he is God’s only begotten Son from before the world ever became. Just as he is the “key of knowledge” to understanding the mysteries of God in the scriptures. You can’t understand them without the witness within.
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Post by Grant on Oct 26, 2019 15:35:03 GMT -5
Is there a difference in saying this is the way to my house or saying this is my house?
They mean 2 different things. Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life, not I am the way to the truth and life. I am and I am the way are 2 different things.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 17:34:56 GMT -5
Is there a difference in saying this is the way to my house or saying this is my house? They mean 2 different things. Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life, not I am the way to the truth and life. I am and I am the way are 2 different things. Jesus said to become like me and to follow me you can't escape that....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 17:37:20 GMT -5
Mat_16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. Yes, in denying himself we do follow him but that is still not saying it’s Jesus’ way, that’s his advice. Seems people have an extremely hard time in separating “Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.” From Jesus’ way of doing things. trying to separate them is where the problem arises...they are one and the same...
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 26, 2019 18:12:37 GMT -5
Yes, in denying himself we do follow him but that is still not saying it’s Jesus’ way, that’s his advice. Seems people have an extremely hard time in separating “Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.” From Jesus’ way of doing things. trying to separate them is where the problem arises...they are one and the same... Not really! Jesus is the Way of salvation. Jesus is Truth, there is no evil in him and we find our truth in him, and he is the life we will have in eternity because we are his body to his head. His way of doing things are advisable but that’s not what he meant when he said he is the way and truth and life. Just as he is the strait gate. It is only through Jesus can we have eternal life, not by our own efforts. He is the narrow way because only through going through him living for him, can we find eternal life.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 26, 2019 18:14:40 GMT -5
Is there a difference in saying this is the way to my house or saying this is my house? They mean 2 different things. Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life, not I am the way to the truth and life. I am and I am the way are 2 different things. Jesus said to become like me and to follow me you can't escape that.... That’s advice for how to live, Wally. Not how you get to eternal life.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 20:22:28 GMT -5
Jesus said to become like me and to follow me you can't escape that.... That’s advice for how to live, Wally. Not how you get to eternal life. if as you suggest it doesn't matter why give advice for how to live? right, i believe you do nothing christians are gonna be in for a big surprise come end time....
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 26, 2019 21:17:08 GMT -5
That’s advice for how to live, Wally. Not how you get to eternal life. if as you suggest it doesn't matter why give advice for how to live? right, i believe you do nothing christians are gonna be in for a big surprise come end time.... No , I’m afraid you take me wrong, Wally. It’s not do nothing Christians. But works will not gain you salvation. Works follow salvation out of the deep love and gratitude to a Godvwho loved us first and chose to deal with us from before the beginning of the world. Because he first lived us and so much so he gave his only begotten Son so that we might be with him for ever. What love, grace and mercy he’s shed upon us and that is what behooves me to work in ways I know pleases him. One way he’s shown me is to labor to help others understand salvation is free. He hopes we can feel such love and gratefulness or as he said to the children of Israel that they’d love him with all their heart, mind and soul. If salvation hadn’t been free, how do you think Paul would dare turn a sinner over to Satan to destroy the works of the flesh, yet he would be saved. Not all people ‘s works will stand the test by fire. Some are made of straw and paper or easily burned up stuff but they’ll know salvation. Why? Because they truly believed in Jesus Christ the Son of God and they believed the record the Father left about his Son. I know James said faith without works is dead, but he spoke too broadly. For one he didn’t remember the thief on the cross. All the thief’s works before he was saved was burned up like straw but he was with Jesus in Pardise that day. He knew salvation without works other then works if repentance and faith in Jesus Christ.
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Post by nathan on Oct 26, 2019 22:41:55 GMT -5
if as you suggest it doesn't matter why give advice for how to live? right, i believe you do nothing christians are gonna be in for a big surprise come end time.... No , I’m afraid you take me wrong, Wally. It’s not do nothing Christians. But works will not gain you salvation. Works follow salvation out of the deep love and gratitude to a Godvwho loved us first and chose to deal with us from before the beginning of the world. Because he first lived us and so much so he gave his only begotten Son so that we might be with him for ever. What love, grace and mercy he’s shed upon us and that is what behooves me to work in ways I know pleases him. One way he’s shown me is to labor to help others understand salvation is free. He hopes we can feel such love and gratefulness or as he said to the children of Israel that they’d love him with all their heart, mind and soul. If salvation hadn’t been free, how do you think Paul would dare turn a sinner over to Satan to destroy the works of the flesh, yet he would be saved. Not all people ‘s works will stand the test by fire. Some are made of straw and paper or easily burned up stuff but they’ll know salvation. Why? Because they truly believed in Jesus Christ the Son of God and they believed the record the Father left about his Son. I know James said faith without works is dead, but he spoke too broadly. For one he didn’t remember the thief on the cross. All the thief’s works before he was saved was burned up like straw but he was with Jesus in Paradise that day. He knew salvation without works other then works if repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. If the thief on the cross had lived he would have shown forth his good works in His life to others because he was a new creature/person in Christ. He would no longer be a thief, instead of stealing from people he would help people. He would show forth his newness of life to others with plenty of good works.
Good works follow AFTER he had receive Salvation/Christ.... Good works ONLY add more rewards to his Salvation.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 26, 2019 23:09:18 GMT -5
No , I’m afraid you take me wrong, Wally. It’s not do nothing Christians. But works will not gain you salvation. Works follow salvation out of the deep love and gratitude to a Godvwho loved us first and chose to deal with us from before the beginning of the world. Because he first lived us and so much so he gave his only begotten Son so that we might be with him for ever. What love, grace and mercy he’s shed upon us and that is what behooves me to work in ways I know pleases him. One way he’s shown me is to labor to help others understand salvation is free. He hopes we can feel such love and gratefulness or as he said to the children of Israel that they’d love him with all their heart, mind and soul. If salvation hadn’t been free, how do you think Paul would dare turn a sinner over to Satan to destroy the works of the flesh, yet he would be saved. Not all people ‘s works will stand the test by fire. Some are made of straw and paper or easily burned up stuff but they’ll know salvation. Why? Because they truly believed in Jesus Christ the Son of God and they believed the record the Father left about his Son. I know James said faith without works is dead, but he spoke too broadly. For one he didn’t remember the thief on the cross. All the thief’s works before he was saved was burned up like straw but he was with Jesus in Paradise that day. He knew salvation without works other then works if repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. If the thief on the cross had lived he would have shown forth his good works in His life to others because he was a new creature/person in Christ. He would no longer be a thief, instead of stealing from people he would help people. He would show forth his newness of life to others with plenty of good works.
Good works follow AFTER he had receive Salvation/Christ.... Good works ONLY add more rewards to his Salvation.
Right! Except salvation is not a reward it is a gift! As is faith! I feel so indebted to God but honestly I can never repay him except by loving and obeying him! For he owns everything to start with!
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Post by nathan on Oct 27, 2019 0:16:41 GMT -5
If the thief on the cross had lived he would have shown forth his good works in His life to others because he was a new creature/person in Christ. He would no longer be a thief, instead of stealing from people he would help people. He would show forth his newness of life to others with plenty of good works.
Good works follow AFTER he had receive Salvation/Christ.... Good works ONLY add more rewards to his Salvation.
Right! Except salvation is not a reward it is a gift! As is faith! I feel so indebted to God but honestly I can never repay him except by loving and obeying him! For he owns everything to start with! Salvation/Christ gift to us is FREE! works after Salvation are our rewards to be given to us/believers when Jesus comes back to Rule as King of kings on the earth for 1000 yrs.
Works/be lights and salt in the world, live in godly manners before others after Salvation is our expression of LOVE to Christ and God the Father because of the gift they had given us Eternal life.
All good works charities, observing the laws of Moses people did before Salvation came couldn't SAVE them.
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Post by mountain on Oct 27, 2019 1:34:52 GMT -5
Is there a difference in saying this is the way to my house or saying this is my house? They mean 2 different things. Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life, not I am the way to the truth and life. I am and I am the way are 2 different things. If you are on a journey and are lost and if you meet someone you can trust and they say to you, 'follow me,' tell me what you do!
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