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Post by Get off of TMB on Oct 19, 2019 18:32:50 GMT -5
It was passed on from a convention that if we put a price on salvation, Satan will make you pay it. How do they apply that? If you plan to be on TMB instead of gospel meeting, you will be on TMB?
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Post by speak on Oct 19, 2019 20:57:26 GMT -5
It was passed on from a convention that if we put a price on salvation, Satan will make you pay it. How do they apply that? If you plan to be on TMB instead of gospel meeting, you will be on TMB? Do you think that being on TBM is spending time with God?
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Post by Admin on Oct 20, 2019 6:31:10 GMT -5
It was passed on from a convention that if we put a price on salvation, Satan will make you pay it. How do they apply that? If you plan to be on TMB instead of gospel meeting, you will be on TMB? Would love to hear from a Worker - any Worker - where they find the biblical basis for this belief. Hasn't Jesus paid the price for our salvation in full? E.g. 1Cor7:23 "You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men."
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Post by mountain on Oct 20, 2019 7:15:03 GMT -5
It was passed on from a convention that if we put a price on salvation, Satan will make you pay it. How do they apply that? If you plan to be on TMB instead of gospel meeting, you will be on TMB? Would love to hear from a Worker - any Worker - where they find the biblical basis for this belief. Hasn't Jesus paid the price for our salvation in full? E.g. 1Cor7:23 "You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men." I think the term salvation is the key to this question. IMO salvation is the end product of a life serving God. It is not a one off event but rather a life, a process, a course, a way, a truth and a life, etc., with an end product. What is asked of us is a life of complete surrender to God, just like Jesus showed us. Some will only go so far with the surrender service, but no further, like Ananias and Sapphira keeping back part of the price. Does satan make you withhold part of the price? Yes Jesus bought us with a great price, but that is not the end of it. Paul qualifies it with our part of the contract....'do not become slaves of men.' That last part can be interpreted in many different ways. The TMB/Gospel meeting bit seems to be a bit of a personal dig? I don't know. There are many helpful things shared on TMB...…...also many not so helpful things. 1 Corinthians 7 20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called. 21 Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. 22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant. 23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. 24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.
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Post by breakfree on Oct 20, 2019 7:54:53 GMT -5
Be not servants of men! Salvation is a free gift . Jesus paid the price for our redemption
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Post by mountain on Oct 20, 2019 9:10:01 GMT -5
Be not servants of men! Salvation is a free gift . Jesus paid the price for our redemption If I give you a free gift of a lawnmower, I expect you to cut the grass with it. Salvation is freely given, but it is a call into service.
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Post by nathan on Oct 20, 2019 9:31:42 GMT -5
Would love to hear from a Worker - any Worker - where they find the biblical basis for this belief. Hasn't Jesus paid the price for our salvation in full? E.g. 1Cor7:23 "You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men." I think the term salvation is the key to this question. IMO salvation is the end product of a life serving God. It is not a one off event but rather a life, a process, a course, a way, a truth and a life, etc., with an end product. What is asked of us is a life of complete surrender to God, just like Jesus showed us. Some will only go so far with the surrender service, but no further, like Ananias and Sapphira keeping back part of the price. Does satan make you withhold part of the price? Yes Jesus bought us with a great price, but that is not the end of it. Paul qualifies it with our part of the contract....'do not become slaves of men.' That last part can be interpreted in many different ways. The TMB/Gospel meeting bit seems to be a bit of a personal dig? I don't know. There are many helpful things shared on TMB...…...also many not so helpful things.1 Corinthians 7 20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called. 21 Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. 22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant. 23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. 24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God. I agree... I have been posting on similar TMB message boards over 20 yrs and I have learned a lot about the 2x2 church history from others research, and on my own also. It has made me studied, dig deep and search the scriptures often to find out these truths for myself. A person must pray and ask God, Jesus and Holy Spirit to discern truth from falsehood, it has been an amazing journey for me.
I have met many friends, ex-workers, former friends, and some workers from many countries.... It has been so good to read and see different points of views on 2x2 history, the scriptures, people understanding and I have learned a lot more so than when I was a worker.
We preached mostly to the choir/ 20-50 friends in a year and met only a few outsiders, after I left the work I can reach 1000s at work, we discuss about God, Jesus, politics, and so on... and get in touch with many on TMB. I have learned a lot from the work, the amazing way God and Christ have set up the 2x2 apostolic ministry, and the worship meetings in the homes.
Most of my time in the work were pastoring/taken care of God's lambs and sheep, the friends struggles and challenges in life daily affairs, NOT too much encountering people/outsiders with questions on doctrines, scriptures and so on and I missed that.
TMB message board is my cup of tea! and calling I love and enjoy to the fullest. It has increased my understanding, knowledge and wisdom about the God whom I served and love. We don't hear some of the things, subjects, and topics we have discussed with each others on TMB we don't from the workers and afraid to ask them ourselves. Sometimes, they don't hear these things share in the gospel meetings or any meetings, such as CSA, the Trinity/Triune God, 2x2 church history and the workers don't know the answers themselves. So, I say TMB is one of the wonderful avenues for those who born and raise in the truth to learn about these things for themselves.
We are on the same journey and let us help each others to find out the truth for ourselves by drawing nearer to God and ask for His/Their guidance and counsel. We want to know and understand who we worship, and where we are going after death. Life is short but Salvation is forever/Eternal.
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Post by Lee on Oct 20, 2019 10:51:54 GMT -5
I put a price on salvation before I knew grace-christ-god.
I foolishly supposed I could be the object of my own redemption.
Now I'm paying for it.
It's sort of a good a-hurting.
By that I mean I'm learning through the experience.
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Post by mountain on Oct 21, 2019 10:28:45 GMT -5
If people read the Bible they will see that salvation carries a heavy price. Here are just a couple of examples. Jesus did all that he could for us, BUT he did not do everything. We must pay the same price as he did, even if it costs us our lives.
2 Timothy 3:12
“Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.”
Luke 14:26
“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.”
Matthew 19:29 King James Version (KJV)
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
There's plenty more where these came from, perhaps hundreds more. The cost or price of salvation appears to be hidden in plain sight?
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Post by xna on Oct 21, 2019 10:57:52 GMT -5
It is wonderful how much time good people spend fighting the devil. If they would only expend the same amount of energy loving their fellow men, the devil would die in his own tracks of ennui. – Hellen Keller
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Post by vanillagorilla on Oct 21, 2019 13:24:44 GMT -5
It was passed on from a convention that if we put a price on salvation, Satan will make you pay it. How do they apply that? If you plan to be on TMB instead of gospel meeting, you will be on TMB? Do you think that being on TBM is spending time with God? Do you think God is everywhere? Do you think he is at convention but hides from time spend on TMB? He is deep down within us, in our hearts, in our souls.
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Post by mountain on Oct 21, 2019 15:37:15 GMT -5
Do you think that being on TBM is spending time with God? Do you think God is everywhere? Do you think he is at convention but hides from time spend on TMB? He is deep down within us, in our hearts, in our souls. Perhaps being on TMB is good enough, but being at convention is excellent?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 21, 2019 16:45:01 GMT -5
It was passed on from a convention that if we put a price on salvation, Satan will make you pay it. How do they apply that? If you plan to be on TMB instead of gospel meeting, you will be on TMB? Would love to hear from a Worker - any Worker - where they find the biblical basis for this belief. Hasn't Jesus paid the price for our salvation in full? E.g. 1Cor7:23 "You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men." Indeed! But this idea comes from seeing Jesus only as a perfect man and not adequate to save a person, so one has to ‘earn’ salvation. Doesn’t matter if it’s biblical or not!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 21, 2019 16:52:40 GMT -5
I put a price on salvation before I knew grace-christ-god. I foolishly supposed I could be the object of my own redemption. Now I'm paying for it. It's sort of a good a-hurting. By that I mean I'm learning through the experience. Redemption’s price came at a heavy cost to heaven. God the Father would have felt every humiliation, every shame, every stripe and every nail his beloved Son felt. For God is one. God gave record about his Son. “ This is my beloved Son in whom I’m well pleased. “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever,...”. “Hear ye him”. The Father was consistently putting emphasis in his Son. The key to scriptural knowledge and understanding is God’s Son, Jesus the Sonof man and the Son of God; the express image of the Father.
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Post by mountain on Oct 21, 2019 16:58:25 GMT -5
The Perfect man has great standing in God's sight. Obviously man (or woman) can only see man as 'fallen man,' which is a very different thing. Perfect man was created by God to be served by the highest angels. Lucifer didn't like this and rebelled, becoming satan. Just for a minute, consider the rank and beauty of Lucifer before he rebelled, then consider his position afterwards. This will give you some idea, in God's sight, not man's, of the difference between Perfect man and fallen man. Redeemed man will be crowned with glory and will be higher than the angels.
Do not belittle perfect man in God's sight. God made man (perfect) in his own image. In his likeness created he, him. He did not create the angels, no matter how high ranking, in his image. God not only walked with Perfect man (Adam), he dwelt within him (Jesus). Perfect man, is controlled by the spirit of God. God provided a perfect man as sacrifice, so that fallen man could be redeemed.
Try and see things from God's perspective, not our own. After all, he created man.
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Post by speak on Oct 21, 2019 19:34:47 GMT -5
Do you think that being on TBM is spending time with God? Do you think God is everywhere? Do you think he is at convention but hides from time spend on TMB? He is deep down within us, in our hearts, in our souls. Do you think He is in satan and those who follow him? Is He deep down inside of them?
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Post by intelchips on Oct 21, 2019 21:24:49 GMT -5
It seems to me that if one follows Satan he was an Angel of the OT God that was sent to carry out missions among the humans on earth up until the Jew came back from captivity in Babylon then he became what most of you think of him now but word didn't originally mean what it means now.
The Hebrew word śāṭān, meaning “accuser” or “adversary,” occurs several times throughout the Hebrew Bible and refers to enemies both human and celestial alike. When referring to the celestial adversary, the word is typically accompanied by the definite article. He is ha-satan—the Accuser—and it is a job description rather than a proper name. From the Accuser’s appearances in the Books of Job and Zechariah, it seems that the job entails calling attention to the unworthiness of mankind. The Accuser is essentially the prosecuting attorney of the divine court of God, and part of his job includes collecting evidence to prove his cases.
Thus if one doesn't even know who or what Satan is then perhaps some research before making statements might be in order.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 21, 2019 21:51:37 GMT -5
Be not servants of men! Salvation is a free gift . Jesus paid the price for our redemption If I give you a free gift of a lawnmower, I expect you to cut the grass with it. Salvation is freely given, but it is a call into service. That's what we call an "Indian Giver". Normally not considered an honest gift. FWIW
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Post by Lee on Oct 21, 2019 22:33:25 GMT -5
But if God gives you something....
Are you really gonna sit on it?
There is more joy in giving than receiving....
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 21, 2019 22:52:16 GMT -5
The Perfect man has great standing in God's sight. Obviously man (or woman) can only see man as 'fallen man,' which is a very different thing. Perfect man was created by God to be served by the highest angels. Lucifer didn't like this and rebelled, becoming satan. Just for a minute, consider the rank and beauty of Lucifer before he rebelled, then consider his position afterwards. This will give you some idea, in God's sight, not man's, of the difference between Perfect man and fallen man. Redeemed man will be crowned with glory and will be higher than the angels. Do not belittle perfect man in God's sight . God made man (perfect) in his own image. In his likeness created he, him. He did not create the angels, no matter how high ranking, in his image. God not only walked with Perfect man (Adam), he dwelt within him (Jesus). Perfect man, is controlled by the spirit of God. God provided a perfect man as sacrifice, so that fallen man could be redeemed. Try and see things from God's perspective, not our own. After all, he created man. Or could it be that if MAN had been the one who had did the creating and man created GOD in his (man's) own image, might that explain the reason that a supposed loving GOD did such terrible things as ordering the killing all of another tribe even to the "sucking" child?
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 21, 2019 23:26:18 GMT -5
But if God gives you something.... Are you really gonna sit on it? There is more joy in giving than receiving.... The joy is in the giving, not in the supervision of how the gift was given. It's not really a gift if (1) it comes with mandatory manner of using it, and (2) if the giver punishes the receiver for not appreciating it. That makes it an ultimatum. But what god has given gets to be a problem. If god gives us everything, then for some people god has given insufferable "non-gifts", so to speak. Or, is his only gift the possibility of waiting for an eternal life if you have the wherewithal to acceptably appreciate and understand it in all its theoretical qualifying beliefs. Given this state of affairs, why is there an exception for the severely mentally retarded?
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Post by mountain on Oct 22, 2019 3:01:38 GMT -5
If I give you a free gift of a lawnmower, I expect you to cut the grass with it. Salvation is freely given, but it is a call into service. That's what we call an "Indian Giver". Normally not considered an honest gift. FWIW Sorry Bob, I couldn't disagree more. If I give a free gift to someone, I try to think of something they will use, e.g. a lawnmower, a book, clothing, food, etc. If they are not going to use it, it is a waste of time. Even a gift of an ornament has its uses!
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Post by mountain on Oct 22, 2019 3:04:27 GMT -5
But if God gives you something.... Are you really gonna sit on it? There is more joy in giving than receiving.... Can you think of any worthwhile gift that does not have its uses? Even the gift of love has worthwhile benefits for the receiver!
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Post by mountain on Oct 22, 2019 3:07:15 GMT -5
But if God gives you something.... Are you really gonna sit on it? There is more joy in giving than receiving.... The joy is in the giving, not in the supervision of how the gift was given. It's not really a gift if (1) it comes with mandatory manner of using it, and (2) if the giver punishes the receiver for not appreciating it. That makes it an ultimatum. But what god has given gets to be a problem. If god gives us everything, then for some people god has given insufferable "non-gifts", so to speak. Or, is his only gift the possibility of waiting for an eternal life if you have the wherewithal to acceptably appreciate and understand it in all its theoretical qualifying beliefs. Given this state of affairs, why is there an exception for the severely mentally retarded? Supervision and intended purpose are two very different things, separated at least by a measure of trust. God's free gift of salvation (a misnomer in my view) is likened in one place to the servants who received 5, 3 and one talents. There are other examples. The labourers who were hired to work in the vineyard. You won't have to look far to find other examples.
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Post by mountain on Oct 22, 2019 3:12:07 GMT -5
The Perfect man has great standing in God's sight. Obviously man (or woman) can only see man as 'fallen man,' which is a very different thing. Perfect man was created by God to be served by the highest angels. Lucifer didn't like this and rebelled, becoming satan. Just for a minute, consider the rank and beauty of Lucifer before he rebelled, then consider his position afterwards. This will give you some idea, in God's sight, not man's, of the difference between Perfect man and fallen man. Redeemed man will be crowned with glory and will be higher than the angels. Do not belittle perfect man in God's sight . God made man (perfect) in his own image. In his likeness created he, him. He did not create the angels, no matter how high ranking, in his image. God not only walked with Perfect man (Adam), he dwelt within him (Jesus). Perfect man, is controlled by the spirit of God. God provided a perfect man as sacrifice, so that fallen man could be redeemed. Try and see things from God's perspective, not our own. After all, he created man. Or could it be that if MAN had been the one who had did the creating and man created GOD in his (man's) own image, might that explain the reason that a supposed loving GOD did such terrible things as ordering the killing all of another tribe even to the "sucking" child?Absolutely 100% correct. I couldn't agree with you more. Straight out of the imaginings of man!
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Post by mountain on Oct 22, 2019 7:42:45 GMT -5
The point; original quote doesn't really make sense so we will try to figure out the meaning but never really get there. Good point!
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Post by vanillagorilla on Oct 22, 2019 12:31:07 GMT -5
Do you think God is everywhere? Do you think he is at convention but hides from time spend on TMB? He is deep down within us, in our hearts, in our souls. Do you think He is in satan and those who follow him? Is He deep down inside of them? I responded to your question : Do you think that being on TBM is spending time with God? My point is that God can be with any human being as they allow him to be. No person can denounce another's personal relationship with God, and state whether or not God is with them- whether at convention or on TMB. And your recent question asked if He is in Satan? Are you asking if God is in Satan? I wouldn't know, I don't follow Satan nor do I know these answers which will never be definitively answered here. People can post their opinions, but we won't know in this lifetime on earth.
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Post by openingact34 on Oct 22, 2019 14:35:02 GMT -5
If I give you a free gift of a lawnmower, I expect you to cut the grass with it. Salvation is freely given, but it is a call into service. That's what we call an "Indian Giver". Normally not considered an honest gift. FWIW If you don't use the lawnmower to cut the grass faithfully, God will tie you up and run you over with the lawnmower blades turned on. He will chop you to pieces and inflict unbelievable agony on you with his lawnmower of wrath. That's how amazing and loving he is. Maybe the parable of the lawnmower would work better today with young people that the parable of the talents.
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