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Post by Get off of TMB on Oct 18, 2019 19:45:03 GMT -5
Certain ones could really put the fear into you. All they had to do was stare at you. For one reason, I was afraid that if the workers disapproved of something I said or did, my parents would have punished me .
Today's workers don't seem to have that same kind of presence. Maybe policemen, judges and teachers had more of a presence back then. People dress more casual and they didn't work as hard as children either.
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Post by Lee on Oct 18, 2019 23:22:16 GMT -5
I wasn't.
My Dad's status in the 2x2 insulated me somewhat from the spiritual predators.
I had to learn the real nature of the world apart from my dad.
And I'm still learning.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 23:32:12 GMT -5
Certain ones could really put the fear into you. All they had to do was stare at you. For one reason, I was afraid that if the workers disapproved of something I said or did, my parents would have punished me . Today's workers don't seem to have that same kind of presence. Maybe policemen, judges and teachers had more of a presence back then. People dress more casual and they didn't work as hard as children either. DH and NJ were always a little stern looking/acting but then i spent 1 week one time with all of them during preps and they turned out to be nice guys after all..this would have been about 81 or 82
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 19, 2019 9:46:34 GMT -5
Charlie Mitchell, overseer of Oklahoma in the 50’s, was an austere heavy-browed man, gruff in speech. He scared me to death at first, but his apple tossing on the convention grounds won us kids over. One dry year, he actually tossed out candy corn. We picked it up and ate it. He’d tossed it out on a very clean non-traffic place. I remember us kids running after him like Pied Piper! 😀
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Post by snow on Oct 19, 2019 14:21:17 GMT -5
Stanley Lee scared me at first. Until I found out he was a really nice guy that hid it well... Seriously though. He was a hellfire and brimstone preacher if there ever was one and that scared me at first. But then he started coming out to the farm and I spent time with him and I really ended up liking him a lot. I professed through Stanley. Hmmm maybe it's because I was scared of him ha! I was only 8
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Post by Gene on Oct 19, 2019 19:24:32 GMT -5
Certain ones could really put the fear into you. All they had to do was stare at you. For one reason, I was afraid that if the workers disapproved of something I said or did, my parents would have punished me . Today's workers don't seem to have that same kind of presence. Maybe policemen, judges and teachers had more of a presence back then. People dress more casual and they didn't work as hard as children either. DH and NJ were always a little stern looking/acting but then i spent 1 week one time with all of them during preps and they turned out to be nice guys after all..this would have been about 81 or 82 Was that at Boyden or Malcom? I may have been there the same year as you. D*n H***y and ... can't think of who NJ is.... N***i J******n? I wouldn't have called her one of the "guys" but...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 21:06:46 GMT -5
DH and NJ were always a little stern looking/acting but then i spent 1 week one time with all of them during preps and they turned out to be nice guys after all..this would have been about 81 or 82 Was that at Boyden or Malcom? I may have been there the same year as you. D*n H***y and ... can't think of who NJ is.... N***i J******n? I wouldn't have called her one of the "guys" but... no this was at olympia preps...
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Post by Dennis J on Oct 20, 2019 0:32:35 GMT -5
No, I wasn’t Tried as best I could to see my children weren’t neither.
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Post by nathan on Oct 20, 2019 9:50:27 GMT -5
Certain ones could really put the fear into you. All they had to do was stare at you. For one reason, I was afraid that if the workers disapproved of something I said or did, my parents would have punished me . Today's workers don't seem to have that same kind of presence. Maybe policemen, judges and teachers had more of a presence back then. People dress more casual and they didn't work as hard as children either. DH and NJ were always a little stern looking/acting but then i spent 1 week one time with all of them during preps and they turned out to be nice guys after all..this would have been about 81 or 82 Certain workers I stay away from, their bad energy and negative spirits drain my energy and can ruin my days... T.S. the Washington ex-overseer was one of them... He was the only one I stayed away from. When I became a worker I didn't want to be like him or follow his rude behaviors toward the friends, and co-workers. He came from the Old school training, that didn't about people feelings, truth without grace.
So, now I stay away from workers, friends or anyone drains my energy. I leave them alone and let them drain their negative energy on themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 9:41:53 GMT -5
AA he was a very hard man who as a child I did not feel any love, kindness or compassion from. He was not kind to my parents. All I remember from him as a child was his rules he listed at the beginning of every convention. His replacement was SF who was the direct opposite and was nothing but kind to everyone. Then CS came alone and was worse than AA.
BB does take the time to get to know everyone and learn the names of your children. To me as a parent when workers take the time to speak to your child and learn their name that means a lot.
CT was also a wonderful overseer who cared about all those in his care from the youngest to the oldest. I always felt that CT cared for me and my family while living in WI. Something I can not say I felt growing up or years later living in New England.
If you want to know how good an overseer is ask the children.
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Post by Annan on Oct 21, 2019 9:57:31 GMT -5
I was never afraid of any workers as a child, but I did feel uncomfortable around some of them as I felt they were judging my every move. Some were very friendly and others acted as if kids were of no consequence and should be kept quiet and out of sight. At times if young workers laughed or interacted with us kids/young teens, the older works would give them stern looks. I never understood the constant seriousness. It was like they didn't know how to relax or be real.
I remember one particular worker named Willie Beacom from my childhood. He gave me my first Bible. I remember him fondly. Lindford Bledsoe was another beloved worker. Very kind. Then there was another worker from Poland. I can't remember his name. I only remember my mom telling me that he quit the work as they wouldn't let him go back to Poland and minister there. I always felt the overseers were cruel and lived by the rule of self denial. Reminded me of the time that nuns weren't allowed to attend their own family funerals because to grieve was to indulge in self pity. I don't understand such cruelty.
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Post by xna on Oct 21, 2019 11:06:30 GMT -5
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 21, 2019 23:55:15 GMT -5
I was never afraid of any workers as a child, but I did feel uncomfortable around some of them as I felt they were judging my every move. Some were very friendly and others acted as if kids were of no consequence and should be kept quiet and out of sight. At times if young workers laughed or interacted with us kids/young teens, the older works would give them stern looks. I never understood the constant seriousness. It was like they didn't know how to relax or be real. I remember one particular worker named Willie Beacom from my childhood. He gave me my first Bible. I remember him fondly. Lindford Bledsoe was another beloved worker. Very kind. Then there was another worker from Poland. I can't remember his name. I only remember my mom telling me that he quit the work as they wouldn't let him go back to Poland and minister there. I always felt the overseers were cruel and lived by the rule of self denial. Reminded me of the time that nuns weren't allowed to attend their own family funerals because to grieve was to indulge in self pity. I don't understand such cruelty. I know exactly what you mean, anan!
If I found myself actually being happy or feeling good about something, -I immediately felt guilty, -I was sure I must be doing something wrong!
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Oct 22, 2019 6:44:34 GMT -5
No.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Oct 22, 2019 16:25:41 GMT -5
People seemed to like Willie Beacom but Jim Beacom must have been pretty rough. He didn't want his picture taken. Jim Beacom was into the black stockings thing. Peter Hunter could jump on a meeting crowd over something petty or trivial.
I also heard that Tom Noble would jump on people on convention work days if he didn't like what they were/weren't doing. Some were big on giving people a "talk" and taking away their "part" in meeting if they didn't fit in.
And many were wonderfully kind godly souls who only wanted the best for their friends. I admire how long some would spend on their knees and read during preps. I have seen some who had so much kindness, patience and other virtues. Some seemed so heavenly that I felt ashamed to be myself around them. The longer you live, the more you see. Nothing surprises you anymore.
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Post by janj on Oct 23, 2019 0:25:28 GMT -5
People seemed to like Willie Beacom but Jim Beacom must have been pretty rough. He didn't want his picture taken. Jim Beacom was into the black stockings thing. Peter Hunter could jump on a meeting crowd over something petty or trivial. I also heard that Tom Noble would jump on people on convention work days if he didn't like what they were/weren't doing. Some were big on giving people a "talk" and taking away their "part" in meeting if they didn't fit in. And many were wonderfully kind godly souls who only wanted the best for their friends. I admire how long some would spend on their knees and read during preps. I have seen some who had so much kindness, patience and other virtues. Some seemed so heavenly that I felt ashamed to be myself around them. The longer you live, the more you see. Nothing surprises you anymore. Gill, the reason you find so many different personalities and amongst the workers is because amazingly they are actually people. Just normal everyday people that are doing what they think is best Yes some of them lack people skills, some of them a little harsh in their judgement and some of them don't have the social graces that they should have but that's because they are people. You put any of us on a stage where everyone is observing our lives and writing about it on forums and see how we stack up. Heck,there are some pretty old folks on here and all we're doing is reading what they are writing, -imagine if we were observing their lives in person we really would have something to write about!!
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Post by fred on Oct 23, 2019 2:24:17 GMT -5
Like the gentleman who arrived at a convention workday with a truck load of sawn timber (his donation) for the project in hand only to be pulled aside by the worker in charge and castigated for wearing shorts. Being in a hot climate this was his normal workwear.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 23, 2019 3:26:31 GMT -5
People seemed to like Willie Beacom but Jim Beacom must have been pretty rough. He didn't want his picture taken. Jim Beacom was into the black stockings thing. Peter Hunter could jump on a meeting crowd over something petty or trivial. I also heard that Tom Noble would jump on people on convention work days if he didn't like what they were/weren't doing. Some were big on giving people a "talk" and taking away their "part" in meeting if they didn't fit in. And many were wonderfully kind godly souls who only wanted the best for their friends. I admire how long some would spend on their knees and read during preps. I have seen some who had so much kindness, patience and other virtues. Some seemed so heavenly that I felt ashamed to be myself around them. The longer you live, the more you see. Nothing surprises you anymore. Gill, the reason you find so many different personalities and amongst the workers is because amazingly they are actually people. Just normal everyday people that are doing what they think is best Yes some of them lack people skills, some of them a little harsh in their judgement and some of them don't have the social graces that they should have but that's because they are people. You put any of us on a stage where everyone is observing our lives and writing about it on forums and see how we stack up. Heck,there are some pretty old folks on here and all we're doing is reading what they are writing, -imagine if we were observing their lives in person we really would have something to write about!! It wasn't just a lack of "social skills."
It was about power!
Some of those older workers had absolute power and absolute power without any checks made some of them, -not all, -but many of them into mini dictators.
They could act without any restraint if they were so inclined.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 23, 2019 3:30:26 GMT -5
Like the gentleman who arrived at a convention workday with a truck load of sawn timber (his donation) for the project in hand only to be pulled aside by the worker in charge and castigated for wearing shorts. Being in a hot climate this was his normal workwear. I heard quite a bit about Tom Noble and Jim Beacom from my mother & father.
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