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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 10, 2019 16:25:39 GMT -5
Nathan, it definitely said that the man did not follow with them. Don’t make up stories about it , he was not a Jesus follower. Whilst there are times when I vehemently disagree with Nathan, my standards of fairness compel me to support him when necessary. The man who cast out demons was certainly one of Jesus's followers. However, he was not sent out two and two like the specially selected twelve Apostles/disciples. He was one of those not chosen for that mission. Otherwise the disciples would not have had any authority to stop him from casting out demons. Remember, the power to cast out demons, as with any God given power in the NT, required faith (in Jesus) and fasting. This was a case of jealousy amongst the disciples. They felt very special and debated amongst themselves which of them would be the greatest in the Kingdom of God, much to Jesus's despair. They forbad that man simply because he was not going about two and two like them (sound familiar?). They forbad him because they thought that power belonged to them only! He was of their following alright. The disciples could not have forbade him if they did not have authority over him. He was also very likely a local missionary, preaching the Kingdom of God, supported by the power to cast out demons, etc., which was proving his message. That's what the God given signs were for. To support and prove the oral message. One should not place their faith in belt buckles. It seems there are many opinions on the incident but most of them seem to agree that the man was not a disciple of Jesus at that point. But he likely was a disciple of John the Baptist and had heard of the miracles Jesus had done. He likely did become a disciple at some point but after Jesus’ very public crucifixion. biblehub.com/commentaries/mark/9-38.htm
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 10, 2019 16:27:33 GMT -5
Mountain, I don’t use belt buckles! I learned long ago when one is poor, use a horseshoe nail!
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Post by mountain on Oct 10, 2019 16:50:30 GMT -5
Whilst there are times when I vehemently disagree with Nathan, my standards of fairness compel me to support him when necessary. The man who cast out demons was certainly one of Jesus's followers. However, he was not sent out two and two like the specially selected twelve Apostles/disciples. He was one of those not chosen for that mission. Otherwise the disciples would not have had any authority to stop him from casting out demons. Remember, the power to cast out demons, as with any God given power in the NT, required faith (in Jesus) and fasting. This was a case of jealousy amongst the disciples. They felt very special and debated amongst themselves which of them would be the greatest in the Kingdom of God, much to Jesus's despair. They forbad that man simply because he was not going about two and two like them (sound familiar?). They forbad him because they thought that power belonged to them only! He was of their following alright. The disciples could not have forbade him if they did not have authority over him. He was also very likely a local missionary, preaching the Kingdom of God, supported by the power to cast out demons, etc., which was proving his message. That's what the God given signs were for. To support and prove the oral message. One should not place their faith in belt buckles. It seems there are many opinions on the incident but most of them seem to agree that the man was not a disciple of Jesus at that point. But he likely was a disciple of John the Baptist and had heard of the miracles Jesus had done. He likely did become a disciple at some point but after Jesus’ very public crucifixion. biblehub.com/commentaries/mark/9-38.htmIn one way or another, he was a follower of Jesus. Undeniably! Some of John the Baptist's disciples became disciples of Jesus. It is a fact that God gave Jesus power to work the many miracles that he did. Jesus transferred this power to those whom he sent out with his message. The whole purpose of the miracles was to show that the preacher had been sent by God (see Nicodemus when he came to Jesus by night). That man who cast out the demons must have received that power from Jesus at some point AND must have been sent out by Jesus to preach the coming Kingdom of God, simply because the whole purpose of the miracles was to prove the Gospel message at that time. What the disciples did not like was that a man was working some form of miracles (one of their brethren) and through jealousy they forbade him. This man must have been preaching the Kingdom of God. This act was likely not seen as a threat to the disciples, but the casting out of demons was. The disciples were welled up with pride because they were given power to work miracles. Miracles required faith in Jesus and because of this we can be assured this man was a follower of Jesus. Like it or not, Nathan is right on this point! You really do need a course with Virgs. (Virgs)
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Post by mountain on Oct 10, 2019 16:51:51 GMT -5
Mountain, I don’t use belt buckles! I learned long ago when one is poor, use a horseshoe nail! It's still a form of belt buckle. Was it inscribed?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 10, 2019 18:26:29 GMT -5
It seems there are many opinions on the incident but most of them seem to agree that the man was not a disciple of Jesus at that point. But he likely was a disciple of John the Baptist and had heard of the miracles Jesus had done. He likely did become a disciple at some point but after Jesus’ very public crucifixion. biblehub.com/commentaries/mark/9-38.htmIn one way or another, he was a follower of Jesus. Undeniably! Some of John the Baptist's disciples became disciples of Jesus. It is a fact that God gave Jesus power to work the many miracles that he did. Jesus transferred this power to those whom he sent out with his message. The whole purpose of the miracles was to show that the preacher had been sent by God (see Nicodemus when he came to Jesus by night). That man who cast out the demons must have received that power from Jesus at some point AND must have been sent out by Jesus to preach the coming Kingdom of God, simply because the whole purpose of the miracles was to prove the Gospel message at that time. What the disciples did not like was that a man was working some form of miracles (one of their brethren) and through jealousy they forbade him. This man must have been preaching the Kingdom of God. This act was likely not seen as a threat to the disciples, but the casting out of demons was. The disciples were welled up with pride because they were given power to work miracles. Miracles required faith in Jesus and because of this we can be assured this man was a follower of Jesus. Like it or not, Nathan is right on this point! You really do need a course with Virgs. (Virgs) If you don’t stop this adulation about Virgs with me, I’m through with you! This is nothing but idolatry on your part.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 10, 2019 18:29:42 GMT -5
Mountain, I don’t use belt buckles! I learned long ago when one is poor, use a horseshoe nail! It's still a form of belt buckle. Was it inscribed? Of course not! It came right out of the shipping box of horseshoe nails, approximately 12 gross.
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Post by nathan on Oct 10, 2019 19:31:22 GMT -5
It seems there are many opinions on the incident but most of them seem to agree that the man was not a disciple of Jesus at that point. But he likely was a disciple of John the Baptist and had heard of the miracles Jesus had done. He likely did become a disciple at some point but after Jesus’ very public crucifixion. biblehub.com/commentaries/mark/9-38.htmIn one way or another, he was a follower of Jesus. Undeniably! Some of John the Baptist's disciples became disciples of Jesus. It is a fact that God gave Jesus power to work the many miracles that he did. Jesus transferred this power to those whom he sent out with his message. The whole purpose of the miracles was to show that the preacher had been sent by God (see Nicodemus when he came to Jesus by night). That man who cast out the demons must have received that power from Jesus at some point AND must have been sent out by Jesus to preach the coming Kingdom of God, simply because the whole purpose of the miracles was to prove the Gospel message at that time. What the disciples did not like was that a man was working some form of miracles (one of their brethren) and through jealousy they forbade him. This man must have been preaching the Kingdom of God. This act was likely not seen as a threat to the disciples, but the casting out of demons was. The disciples were welled up with pride because they were given power to work miracles. Miracles required faith in Jesus and because of this we can be assured this man was a follower of Jesus. Like it or not, Nathan is right on this point! You really do need a course with Virgs. (Virgs) Thanks, Ram. The 12 apostles thought and believed they were the ONLY ones could perform miracles, healing and casting out demons when Jesus sent them out in Matthew 10. Here Jesus showed them, God has given His believers/followers of POWER and Working miracles who had NOT follow in the ministry like the 12.
When I was in the work, some workers believed the friends should leave the preaching/teaching of the Bible/Scriptures to them, and the friends just invite people to their gospel meetings. That is NOT according to the teachings of Jesus at all. We read of this man who had been a follower of Jesus, Stephen, Philip the evangelist, Ananias who healed Saul's blindness were NOT apostles but God had granted them the POWER to heal and working miracles.
In Eph. 4:11-14 Paul wrote that those in the ministry/apostles/workers were to prepare God's people for the work of the ministry so they could teach others about the teachings of Jesus Christ.
How are the friends going to TEACH anyone anything if they just send them to the workers gospel meetings? We read in Acts 5 the followers of Jesus preaching everywhere they went. Stephen preached and that was where Saul heard the gospel message about Jesus. Apollo, who became an apostle of Saul/Paul through Aquilla and Prisilla (husband and wife/church elders) who went to the Synagogue often like Jesus and Paul had done and they shared the gospel with the unbelieving Jews. We read the Holy Spirit sent Philip the evangelist to help/explain the Ethiopian the scriptures in Isa. mentioned about Jesus.
The Great Commission in Matthew 28 Preaching and teaching the word of God are the apostles and the followers of Jesus responsibility NOT just ONLY apostles/workers! The friends have invited more people to the gospel meetings than the workers themselves.
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Post by mountain on Oct 10, 2019 20:57:28 GMT -5
In one way or another, he was a follower of Jesus. Undeniably! Some of John the Baptist's disciples became disciples of Jesus. It is a fact that God gave Jesus power to work the many miracles that he did. Jesus transferred this power to those whom he sent out with his message. The whole purpose of the miracles was to show that the preacher had been sent by God (see Nicodemus when he came to Jesus by night). That man who cast out the demons must have received that power from Jesus at some point AND must have been sent out by Jesus to preach the coming Kingdom of God, simply because the whole purpose of the miracles was to prove the Gospel message at that time. What the disciples did not like was that a man was working some form of miracles (one of their brethren) and through jealousy they forbade him. This man must have been preaching the Kingdom of God. This act was likely not seen as a threat to the disciples, but the casting out of demons was. The disciples were welled up with pride because they were given power to work miracles. Miracles required faith in Jesus and because of this we can be assured this man was a follower of Jesus. Like it or not, Nathan is right on this point! You really do need a course with Virgs. (Virgs) Thanks, Ram. The 12 apostles thought and believed they were the ONLY ones could perform miracles, healing and casting out demons when Jesus sent them out in Matthew 10. Here Jesus showed them, God has given His believers/followers of POWER and Working miracles who had NOT follow in the ministry like the 12.
When I was in the work, some workers believed the friends should leave the preaching/teaching of the Bible/Scriptures to them, and the friends just invite people to their gospel meetings. That is NOT according to the teachings of Jesus at all. We read of this man who had been a follower of Jesus, Stephen, Philip the evangelist, Ananias who healed Saul's blindness were NOT apostles but God had granted them the POWER to heal and working miracles.
In Eph. 4:11-14 Paul wrote that those in the ministry/apostles/workers were to prepare God's people for the work of the ministry so they could teach others about the teachings of Jesus Christ.
How are the friends going to TEACH anyone anything if they just send them to the workers gospel meetings? We read in Acts 5 the followers of Jesus preaching everywhere they went. Stephen preached and that was where Saul heard the gospel message about Jesus. Apollo, who became an apostle of Saul/Paul through Aquilla and Prisilla (husband and wife/church elders) who went to the Synagogue often like Jesus and Paul had done and they shared the gospel with the unbelieving Jews. We read the Holy Spirit sent Philip the evangelist to help/explain the Ethiopian the scriptures in Isa. mentioned about Jesus.
The Great Commission in Matthew 28 Preaching and teaching the word of God are the apostles and the followers of Jesus responsibility NOT just ONLY apostles/workers! The friends have invited more people to the gospel meetings than the workers themselves.
Undoubtedly one of your strongest posts in recent times, Nathan.
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Post by mountain on Oct 10, 2019 21:07:16 GMT -5
In one way or another, he was a follower of Jesus. Undeniably! Some of John the Baptist's disciples became disciples of Jesus. It is a fact that God gave Jesus power to work the many miracles that he did. Jesus transferred this power to those whom he sent out with his message. The whole purpose of the miracles was to show that the preacher had been sent by God (see Nicodemus when he came to Jesus by night). That man who cast out the demons must have received that power from Jesus at some point AND must have been sent out by Jesus to preach the coming Kingdom of God, simply because the whole purpose of the miracles was to prove the Gospel message at that time. What the disciples did not like was that a man was working some form of miracles (one of their brethren) and through jealousy they forbade him. This man must have been preaching the Kingdom of God. This act was likely not seen as a threat to the disciples, but the casting out of demons was. The disciples were welled up with pride because they were given power to work miracles. Miracles required faith in Jesus and because of this we can be assured this man was a follower of Jesus. Like it or not, Nathan is right on this point! You really do need a course with Virgs. (Virgs) If you don’t stop this adulation about Virgs with me, I’m through with you! This is nothing but idolatry on your part. You can take a horse to the well, but you can't make it drink!
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Post by mountain on Oct 10, 2019 21:16:31 GMT -5
It's still a form of belt buckle. Was it inscribed? Of course not! It came right out of the shipping box of horseshoe nails, approximately 12 gross. That's a lot of improvised belt buckles. Are you sure you were poor?
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