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Post by Get off of TMB on Oct 9, 2019 15:56:46 GMT -5
It seems like the workers today are slowly beginning to admit that the group was founded in Ireland around 1900. They may spin the events from 1897-1901 as returning to New Testament roots. They may downplay or deny apostolic succession. They would rather you not mention these events and be happy in the Way of Truth. They may promote the idea that Satan wants us to get too focused on the past and not prepare for eternal life. But you get a different answer today than if you had asked about those things say 40 years ago.
They don't say that the group has been around since the days of Jesus anymore. Information is changing things. It will never be the same for older hardliners but they will soon be resting under the soil as we all will be.
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Post by nathan on Oct 9, 2019 16:31:12 GMT -5
It seems like the workers today are slowly beginning to admit that the group was founded in Ireland around 1900. They may spin the events from 1897-1901 as returning to New Testament roots. They may downplay or deny apostolic succession. They would rather you not mention these events and be happy in the Way of Truth. They may promote the idea that Satan wants us to get too focused on the past and not prepare for eternal life. But you get a different answer today than if you had asked about those things say 40 years ago.
They don't say that the group has been around since the days of Jesus anymore. Information is changing things. It will never be the same for older hardliners but they will soon be resting under the soil as we all will be. *** My questions are to you and the 2x2s, what happened to the church or churches that Jesus, the 12, 70, Paul, Barnabas, Timothy, Silas, Titus and those like them started in the 1st century church? Where did it go? Jesus said to Peter " upon this ROCK I will build MY church and the GATES of HELL shall NOT prevail against it... And this gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached to ALL nations then shall the end comes." SO, where is the 1st century church today? Did Jesus lie to us for saying His true church will continune to the end or His return. Or Jesus has told us the truth that His true Church has survived through the centuries even to now!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 9, 2019 17:00:18 GMT -5
It seems like the workers today are slowly beginning to admit that the group was founded in Ireland around 1900. They may spin the events from 1897-1901 as returning to New Testament roots. They may downplay or deny apostolic succession. They would rather you not mention these events and be happy in the Way of Truth. They may promote the idea that Satan wants us to get too focused on the past and not prepare for eternal life. But you get a different answer today than if you had asked about those things say 40 years ago.
They don't say that the group has been around since the days of Jesus anymore. Information is changing things. It will never be the same for older hardliners but they will soon be resting under the soil as we all will be. *** My questions are to you and the 2x2s, what happened to the church or churches that Jesus, the 12, 70, Paul, Barnabas, Timothy, Silas, Titus and those like them started in the 1st century church? Where did it go? Jesus said to Peter " upon this ROCK I will build MY church and the GATES of HELL shall NOT prevail against it... And this gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached to ALL nations then shall the end comes." SO, where is the 1st century church today? Did Jesus lie to us for saying His true church will continune to the end or His return. Or Jesus has told us the truth that His true Church has survived through the centuries even to now! Most eventually were recognized into the Catholic Church and because many didn’t like the rites and traditions established by the Catholic Church or disagreed over various points of scriptures formulated other churches. And as migration happened, different countries embraced different aspects of the scriptures and recognized only certain churches in their country, and in efforts to get back to the basics time and time again, decade after decade different groups of people justified their push to select certain aspects of the NT recordings and formed new denomination after denomination, year after year, none actually totally recapturing the times of Jesus and his Apostles’ efforts to convert different Gentile nations into believing the Lord’s saving gospel. Just as stories go, they are started being told from the instance they happened and over years and many generations, it probably is chancey to really know the real details of the whole original story. Memories and opinions or faulty memories tend to change the hue of every story even the ones that are true. The best any true believer can do is to believe what the Father has left on record about his Son. And hold that as basic truths in the Christian gospel. Reading the Bible and follow the prophecies of old that are fulfilled in the records about Jesus. Main thing is to never think or say you are if the only true earthbound church, because Jesus’ church is not earthbound and one will find his chosen in every imaginable place. Some in Christian churches across the face of the earth for fellowship and others walking with God as Enoch did .
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Post by nathan on Oct 9, 2019 17:23:32 GMT -5
STR, you are underestimating Jesus words/teachings and the POWER of the the Holy Spirit to oversee the apostles and the followers of Jesus ministry on earth until He/Jesus comes again.
It was the Holy Spirit that has sent men and women in the ministry the last 2000 yrs.
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Post by Grant on Oct 9, 2019 17:49:03 GMT -5
STR, you are underestimating Jesus words/teachings and the POWER of the the Holy Spirit to oversee the apostles and the followers of Jesus ministry on earth until He/Jesus comes again. It was the Holy Spirit that has sent men and women in the ministry the last 2000 yrs. Christians, missionaries, evangelists, pastors and so on are there, Nathan. The church is alive and well. God didn't need William Irvine to start another church.
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Post by nathan on Oct 9, 2019 18:36:50 GMT -5
STR, you are underestimating Jesus words/teachings and the POWER of the the Holy Spirit to oversee the apostles and the followers of Jesus ministry on earth until He/Jesus comes again. It was the Holy Spirit that has sent men and women in the ministry the last 2000 yrs. Christians, missionaries, evangelists, pastors and so on are there, Nathan. The church is alive and well. God didn't need William Irvine to start another church. Yes, I KNOW who they are.... but they don't resemble anything like the apostles I read in the gospel and in the book of Acts of apostles.
Your 40,000 plus denominations pastors, evangelists, missionaries, and preachers have NOTHING in common like the apostles we read in the New Testament.
In Matthew 7:21-24 Jesus said in the Judgement day "MANY, Many will say unto me, have we NOT prophesied/preached in your name, in your name have done many wonderful/charities works, and cast out demons in your name." Then he will say, "Depart from me ye workers of Iniquity?... WHY? did Jesus say DEPART FROM ME Ye workers of Iniquity?
Because God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit did NOT SENT them into the world! to be preachers or ambassadors. They didn't have Their seal of approval, they were branded as workers of Iniquity.
So, let me ask you enuf… If Jesus New Testament church and ministry are ALIVE and WELL where it is today? Can you tell me where they are so I can check them out, Thanks.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 9, 2019 18:49:41 GMT -5
STR, you are underestimating Jesus words/teachings and the POWER of the the Holy Spirit to oversee the apostles and the followers of Jesus ministry on earth until He/Jesus comes again. It was the Holy Spirit that has sent men and women in the ministry the last 2000 yrs. Your narrowed vision is failing to see God’s elect are well and protected by the Holy Spirit. God has them dispersed throughout the nations simply do that the judgment standards are set. God doesn’t just pile them all up into a very well hidden denomination called 2x2s. But he has them In every professed Christian church. Why? Again they are setting the standards of the judgment. Not only that, they are dispersed as witnesses for the Lord. Just because someone belongs to a Christian based church does not guarantee them that they are of God’s Israel. But that those who are God’s elect witness the truth about God’s only begotten Son before the world as he lives in them.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 9, 2019 18:54:21 GMT -5
Christians, missionaries, evangelists, pastors and so on are there, Nathan. The church is alive and well. God didn't need William Irvine to start another church. Yes, I KNOW who they are.... but they don't resemble anything like the apostles I read in the gospel and in the book of Acts of apostles.
Your 40,000 plus denominations pastors, evangelists, missionaries, and preachers have NOTHING in common like the apostles we read in the New Testament.
In Matthew 7:21-24 Jesus said in the Judgement day "MANY, Many will say unto me, have we NOT prophesied/preached in your name, in your name have done many wonderful/charities works, and cast out demons in your name." Then he will say, "Depart from me ye workers of Iniquity?... WHY? did Jesus say DEPART FROM ME Ye workers of Iniquity?
Because God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit did NOT SENT them into the world! to be preachers or ambassadors. They didn't have Their seal of approval, they were branded as workers of Iniquity.
So, let me ask you enuf… If Jesus New Testament church and ministry are ALIVE and WELL where it is today? Can you tell me where they are so I can check them out, Thanks.
The workers no longer claim they are the apostles because that was part of their lie they went all the way back to the Acts of the Apostles. This is why some people like my Gram allowed the workers to silence her on the Trinity concept because she’d been told they were the continuance of the Acts of the Apostles. So you should understand now the absolute result of the lies perpetuated by the workers. Is that they don’t believe the record that God left about his Son and thus they have and are making God a liar. Edit: to be honest, the workers aren’t like the Apostles we read about in the NT. There is no need for Jesus laud his foundation and “It is finished” when he was crucified. And according to changes of time so changes happen to the modes of information.
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Post by nathan on Oct 9, 2019 20:06:10 GMT -5
Yes, I KNOW who they are.... but they don't resemble anything like the apostles I read in the gospel and in the book of Acts of apostles.
Your 40,000 plus denominations pastors, evangelists, missionaries, and preachers have NOTHING in common like the apostles we read in the New Testament.
In Matthew 7:21-24 Jesus said in the Judgement day "MANY, Many will say unto me, have we NOT prophesied/preached in your name, in your name have done many wonderful/charities works, and cast out demons in your name." Then he will say, "Depart from me ye workers of Iniquity?... WHY? did Jesus say DEPART FROM ME Ye workers of Iniquity?
Because God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit did NOT SENT them into the world! to be preachers or ambassadors. They didn't have Their seal of approval, they were branded as workers of Iniquity.
So, let me ask you enuf… If Jesus New Testament church and ministry are ALIVE and WELL where it is today? Can you tell me where they are so I can check them out, Thanks.
The workers no longer claim they are the apostles because that was part of their lie they went all the way back to the Acts of the Apostles. This is why some people like my Gram allowed the workers to silence her on the Trinity concept because she’d been told they were the continuance of the Acts of the Apostles. So you should understand now the absolute result of the lies perpetuated by the workers. Is that they don’t believe the record that God left about his Son and thus they have and are making God a liar. Edit: to be honest, the workers aren’t like the Apostles we read about in the NT. There is no need for Jesus laud his foundation and “It is finished” when he was crucified. And according to changes of time so changes happen to the modes of information. What do you mean the workers no longer claim they are apostles.... We have seen the workers gospel invitation posted on TMB a few years ago, where they signed the apostles by the two workers: the Overseer Tom G. and his companion.
I have seen workers signed their gospel invitation as ministers, pastors, and evangelists.
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Post by nathan on Oct 9, 2019 20:12:52 GMT -5
STR, you are underestimating Jesus words/teachings and the POWER of the the Holy Spirit to oversee the apostles and the followers of Jesus ministry on earth until He/Jesus comes again. It was the Holy Spirit that has sent men and women in the ministry the last 2000 yrs. Your narrowed vision is failing to see God’s elect are well and protected by the Holy Spirit. God has them dispersed throughout the nations simply do that the judgment standards are set. God doesn’t just pile them all up into a very well hidden denomination called 2x2s. But he has them In every professed Christian church. Why? Again they are setting the standards of the judgment. Not only that, they are dispersed as witnesses for the Lord. Just because someone belongs to a Christian based church does not guarantee them that they are of God’s Israel. But that those who are God’s elect witness the truth about God’s only begotten Son before the world as he lives in them. Like I wrote in my post.... In the judgement day Jesus said in Matthew 7:21-24... MANY, MAnY preachers, ministers, pastors, missionaries, workers are NOT SENT by God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit.... They will consider as Iniquity workers. Jesus said By their fruit ye shall KNOW them.
Read what Paul wrote in Romans 10:13-18 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 9, 2019 20:13:00 GMT -5
The workers no longer claim they are the apostles because that was part of their lie they went all the way back to the Acts of the Apostles. This is why some people like my Gram allowed the workers to silence her on the Trinity concept because she’d been told they were the continuance of the Acts of the Apostles. So you should understand now the absolute result of the lies perpetuated by the workers. Is that they don’t believe the record that God left about his Son and thus they have and are making God a liar. Edit: to be honest, the workers aren’t like the Apostles we read about in the NT. There is no need for Jesus laud his foundation and “It is finished” when he was crucified. And according to changes of time so changes happen to the modes of information. What do you mean the workers no longer claim they are apostles.... We have seen the workers gospel invitation posted on TMB a few years ago, where they signed the apostles by the two workers: the Overseer Tom G. and his companion.
I have seen workers signed their gospel invitation as ministers, pastors, and evangelists.
Reread the initial posts.
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Post by nathan on Oct 9, 2019 20:16:19 GMT -5
What do you mean the workers no longer claim they are apostles.... We have seen the workers gospel invitation posted on TMB a few years ago, where they signed the apostles by the two workers: the Overseer Tom G. and his companion.
I have seen workers signed their gospel invitation as ministers, pastors, and evangelists.
Reread the initial posts. Yea, that is Gill and some 2x2s thinking... They don't know or read other church history information so they say things are NOT true.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 9, 2019 20:22:51 GMT -5
Your narrowed vision is failing to see God’s elect are well and protected by the Holy Spirit. God has them dispersed throughout the nations simply do that the judgment standards are set. God doesn’t just pile them all up into a very well hidden denomination called 2x2s. But he has them In every professed Christian church. Why? Again they are setting the standards of the judgment. Not only that, they are dispersed as witnesses for the Lord. Just because someone belongs to a Christian based church does not guarantee them that they are of God’s Israel. But that those who are God’s elect witness the truth about God’s only begotten Son before the world as he lives in them. Like I wrote in my post.... In the judgement day Jesus said in Matthew 7:21-24... MANY, MAnY preachers, ministers, pastors, missionaries, workers are NOT SENT by God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit.... They will consider as Iniquity workers.
Read what Paul wrote in Romans 10:13-18 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then I will profess unto them, I never knew you: Depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” These verses aren’t just talking about ministry, Nathan. Fact is the standard John the Apostle set in I John 5:10 pretty well puts the workers and anybody else that don’t believe the record that the Father gave of his Son into those words of Jesus saying he knew them not. If we don’t know our Saviour there’s every right in this world and that to come for the Lord to say he knows us not.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 9, 2019 20:27:04 GMT -5
Reread the initial posts. Yea, that is Gill and some 2x2s thinking... They don't know or read other church history information so they say things are NOT true.No it’s no opinion, it says and I’ve heard the same; that some workers will admit the beginnings of the two by two church in the late 1890’s or early 1900’s and also will deny they are apostles. Most seek to wanting to be honest after years of perpetuating lies they are trying to tell the truth. The workers did not automatically become apostles when they begin to try to copy/ape the ministry during Jesus’ day. Their honest push was just to see if that style of ministry still worked.
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Post by nathan on Oct 9, 2019 20:40:57 GMT -5
Like I wrote in my post.... In the judgement day Jesus said in Matthew 7:21-24... MANY, MAnY preachers, ministers, pastors, missionaries, workers are NOT SENT by God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit.... They will consider as Iniquity workers.
Read what Paul wrote in Romans 10:13-18 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then I will profess unto them, I never knew you: Depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” These verses aren’t just talking about ministry, Nathan. Fact is the standard John the Apostle set in I John 5:10 pretty well puts the workers and anybody else that don’t believe the record that the Father gave of his Son into those words of Jesus saying he knew them not. If we don’t know our Saviour there’s every right in this world and that to come for the Lord to say he knows us not. Matthew 7:21-23 is about the MINISTRY.... but NOT of God ministry! They prophesied/preaching! cast out devils in his name/but God did NOT give them power so whose power did they cast out of? They did many wonderful works/charities, helping others but God/Jesus did NOT approve their preaching or good works.
The workers believe Jesus is the Son of God= God's Son... the 2x2s have their own language or own understanding, and their terminologies that is different than the rest of Christianity.
The 2x2s worship the Trinity- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit in their Sunday morning worship gathering around the world. Their mistake is they don't KNOW or Understand the Trinity doctrine because they are so many interpretation that cause so much confusion for many not just the 2x2s.
The 2x2s worship God the Father, Christ, and Holy Spirit.... They keep and believe in Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and the Trinity worship.
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Post by nathan on Oct 9, 2019 20:44:11 GMT -5
Yea, that is Gill and some 2x2s thinking... They don't know or read other church history information so they say things are NOT true. No it’s no opinion, it says and I’ve heard the same; that some workers will admit the beginnings of the two by two church in the late 1890’s or early 1900’s and also will deny they are apostles. Most seek to wanting to be honest after years of perpetuating lies they are trying to tell the truth. The workers did not automatically become apostles when they begin to try to copy/ape the ministry during Jesus’ day. Their honest push was just to see if that style of ministry still worked. A lot of them don't KNOW the beginning or the history of 2x2... Like many early workers say WI founded the 2x2 in 1897! When there were NO 2x2 workers or the friends in 1897. Many of them have never heard of the Vaudois/Waldenses who had practiced and continued Jesus 2x2 apostolic/workers and the New Testament church/fellowship for 1800 yrs, since the time of Paul apostle and MOST of the 2x2s don't KNOW or HEARD of them.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 9, 2019 21:30:20 GMT -5
Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then I will profess unto them, I never knew you: Depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” These verses aren’t just talking about ministry, Nathan. Fact is the standard John the Apostle set in I John 5:10 pretty well puts the workers and anybody else that don’t believe the record that the Father gave of his Son into those words of Jesus saying he knew them not. If we don’t know our Saviour there’s every right in this world and that to come for the Lord to say he knows us not. Matthew 7:21-23 is about the MINISTRY.... but NOT of God ministry! They prophesied/preaching! cast out devils in his name/but God did NOT give them power so whose power did they cast out of? They did many wonderful works/charities, helping others but God/Jesus did NOT approve their preaching or good works.
The workers believe Jesus is the Son of God= God's Son... the 2x2s have their own language or own understanding, and their terminologies that is different than the rest of Christianity.
The 2x2s worship the Trinity- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit in their Sunday morning worship gathering around the world. Their mistake is they don't KNOW or Understand the Trinity doctrine because they are so many interpretation that cause so much confusion for many not just the 2x2s.
The 2x2s worship God the Father, Christ, and Holy Spirit.... They keep and believe in Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and the Trinity worship.
You’re not remembering the man casting out demons in Jesus’s name; he was not in a ministry! No they don’t believes Jesus is God in any form or fashion anymore then all who are saved are children of God. I’ve beeb cursed to hell in just recent weeks by devout 2x2s over this very thing. Even after they had agreed that verse in Hebrews 1:8 says Father called his Son God. So you can’t make excuses for them. They lack biblical understanding because when the workers back in 50’s tossed the Trinity out they lost the key of knowledge. So they can’t obtain correct knowledge until they leave it up to God to reveal to them what is vital for people’s spiritual well being. And then admit it to themselves and others. They are no more exempt of the standard Apostle John set in I John 5:10 then any other living person is! That’s just the way it is! No one is a true believer until they believe what the Father has given on record about his Son. That means nothing is their’s until that occurs.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 9, 2019 21:41:53 GMT -5
No it’s no opinion, it says and I’ve heard the same; that some workers will admit the beginnings of the two by two church in the late 1890’s or early 1900’s and also will deny they are apostles. Most seek to wanting to be honest after years of perpetuating lies they are trying to tell the truth. The workers did not automatically become apostles when they begin to try to copy/ape the ministry during Jesus’ day. Their honest push was just to see if that style of ministry still worked. A lot of them don't KNOW the beginning or the history of 2x2... Like many early workers say WI founded the 2x2 in 1897! When there were NO 2x2 workers or the friends in 1897. Many of them have never heard of the Vaudois/Waldenses who had practiced and continued Jesus 2x2 apostolic/workers and the New Testament church/fellowship for 1800 yrs, since the time of Paul apostle and MOST of the 2x2s don't KNOW or HEARD of them.
The early workers never knew anything about other religions trying to go two by two itinerant ministry. And if they said they were the first ones if the two by two itinerant ministry that started in 1897 then they should know, they were the ones who started the whole thing!
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Post by nathan on Oct 9, 2019 23:09:09 GMT -5
Matthew 7:21-23 is about the MINISTRY.... but NOT of God ministry! They prophesied/preaching! cast out devils in his name/but God did NOT give them power so whose power did they cast out of? They did many wonderful works/charities, helping others but God/Jesus did NOT approve their preaching or good works.
The workers believe Jesus is the Son of God= God's Son... the 2x2s have their own language or own understanding, and their terminologies that is different than the rest of Christianity.
The 2x2s worship the Trinity- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit in their Sunday morning worship gathering around the world. Their mistake is they don't KNOW or Understand the Trinity doctrine because they are so many interpretation that cause so much confusion for many not just the 2x2s.
The 2x2s worship God the Father, Christ, and Holy Spirit.... They keep and believe in Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry and the Trinity worship.
You’re not remembering the man casting out demons in Jesus’s name; he was not in a ministry!
No they don’t believes Jesus is God in any form or fashion anymore then all who are saved are children of God. I’ve been cursed to hell in just recent weeks by devout 2x2s over this very thing. Even after they had agreed that verse in Hebrews 1:8 says Father called his Son God. So you can’t make excuses for them. They lack biblical understanding because when the workers back in 50’s tossed the Trinity out they lost the key of knowledge. So they can’t obtain correct knowledge until they leave it up to God to reveal to them what is vital for people’s spiritual well being. And then admit it to themselves and others. They are no more exempt of the standard Apostle John set in I John 5:10 then any other living person is! That’s just the way it is! No one is a true believer until they believe what the Father has given on record about his Son. That means nothing is their’s until that occurs. The man casting out demons he was part of the followers/saints/Philip/Stephen/Aquilla and Prisilla or the friends ministry. Eph 4:11-15 The apostles/workers are to prepare/teach God's people for their own ministry so, they too can preach and teach others they come in contact with in their daily lives mingled among the people of this world.
The 2x2 believe and have the knowledge Jesus is God/the Son of God if they THINK, STUDY and MEDITATE about it. They prayed and give thanks and praises to God the Father, Christ their God and Savior, and Holy Spirit on EVERY Sunday morning meetings around the world.
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Post by nathan on Oct 9, 2019 23:16:18 GMT -5
A lot of them don't KNOW the beginning or the history of 2x2... Like many early workers say WI founded the 2x2 in 1897! When there were NO 2x2 workers or the friends in 1897. Many of them have never heard of the Vaudois/Waldenses who had practiced and continued Jesus 2x2 apostolic/workers and the New Testament church/fellowship for 1800 yrs, since the time of Paul apostle and MOST of the 2x2s don't KNOW or HEARD of them.
The early workers never knew anything about other religions trying to go two by two itinerant ministry. And if they said they were the first ones if the two by two itinerant ministry that started in 1897 then they should know, they were the ones who started the whole thing! The 2x2 workers were NOT the first ones to go TWO and TWO itinerant ministry! THEY LIED if they believe that. The Faith Mission workers were going TWO and TWO ministry Matthew 10. The Faith Mission preachers were going in Faith. William Irvine, ex-Faith Mission preachers and many of the early 2x2s workers and friends were his converts from the FM gospel missions.
The 2x2s workers got the 2x2 apostolic ministry idea from the Faith Mission, the founder was John Govan in 1886. There were MANY apostolic 2x2 preachers going by Faith before the Faith Mission for 1800s years.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 9, 2019 23:58:59 GMT -5
You’re not remembering the man casting out demons in Jesus’s name; he was not in a ministry!
No they don’t believes Jesus is God in any form or fashion anymore then all who are saved are children of God. I’ve been cursed to hell in just recent weeks by devout 2x2s over this very thing. Even after they had agreed that verse in Hebrews 1:8 says Father called his Son God. So you can’t make excuses for them. They lack biblical understanding because when the workers back in 50’s tossed the Trinity out they lost the key of knowledge. So they can’t obtain correct knowledge until they leave it up to God to reveal to them what is vital for people’s spiritual well being. And then admit it to themselves and others. They are no more exempt of the standard Apostle John set in I John 5:10 then any other living person is! That’s just the way it is! No one is a true believer until they believe what the Father has given on record about his Son. That means nothing is their’s until that occurs. The man casting out demons he was part of the followers/saints/Philip/Stephen/Aquilla and Prisilla or the friends ministry. Eph 4:11-15 The apostles/workers are to prepare/teach God's people for their own ministry so, they too can preach and teach others they come in contact with in their daily lives mingled among the people of this world.
The 2x2 believe and have the knowledge Jesus is God/the Son of God if they THINK, STUDY and MEDITATE about it. They prayed and give thanks and praises to God the Father, Christ their God and Savior, and Holy Spirit on EVERY Sunday morning meetings around the world.
Nathan, it definitely said that the man did not follow with them. Don’t make up stories about it , he was not a Jesus follower.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 10, 2019 0:01:28 GMT -5
The early workers never knew anything about other religions trying to go two by two itinerant ministry. And if they said they were the first ones if the two by two itinerant ministry that started in 1897 then they should know, they were the ones who started the whole thing! The 2x2 workers were NOT the first ones to go TWO and TWO itinerant ministry! THEY LIED if they believe that. The Faith Mission workers were going TWO and TWO ministry Matthew 10. The Faith Mission preachers were going in Faith. William Irvine, ex-Faith Mission preachers and many of the early 2x2s workers and friends were his converts from the FM gospel missions.
The 2x2s workers got the 2x2 apostolic ministry idea from the Faith Mission, the founder was John Govan in 1886. There were MANY apostolic 2x2 preachers going by Faith before the Faith Mission for 1800s years.
They didn’t say they were the first two by twos. They said they were the beginners of an experiment to see if the two by two itinerant on faith lines still work. As it was said, “It was a grand experiment!”
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 10, 2019 0:05:09 GMT -5
The early workers never knew anything about other religions trying to go two by two itinerant ministry. And if they said they were the first ones if the two by two itinerant ministry that started in 1897 then they should know, they were the ones who started the whole thing! The 2x2 workers were NOT the first ones to go TWO and TWO itinerant ministry! THEY LIED if they believe that. The Faith Mission workers were going TWO and TWO ministry Matthew 10. The Faith Mission preachers were going in Faith. William Irvine, ex-Faith Mission preachers and many of the early 2x2s workers and friends were his converts from the FM gospel missions.
The 2x2s workers got the 2x2 apostolic ministry idea from the Faith Mission, the founder was John Govan in 1886. There were MANY apostolic 2x2 preachers going by Faith before the Faith Mission for 1800s years.
You keep adding stories to what the records have shown. They had no way of investigating if the two byvtwo in faith lines had been done since the Apostles or not. So they just decided to experiment it for themselves. They were the first “workers to go two by two and ended up creating a whole new denomination, which turns out to be an incidental thing.
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Post by nathan on Oct 10, 2019 0:46:34 GMT -5
The man casting out demons he was part of the followers/saints/Philip/Stephen/Aquilla and Prisilla or the friends ministry. Eph 4:11-15 The apostles/workers are to prepare/teach God's people for their own ministry so, they too can preach and teach others they come in contact with in their daily lives mingled among the people of this world.
The 2x2 believe and have the knowledge Jesus is God/the Son of God if they THINK, STUDY and MEDITATE about it. They prayed and give thanks and praises to God the Father, Christ their God and Savior, and Holy Spirit on EVERY Sunday morning meetings around the world.
Nathan, it definitely said that the man did not follow with them. Don’t make up stories about it , he was not a Jesus follower. The man was NOT part of the 12 and 70 apostles apostolic ministry... He was a follower of Jesus like Stephen, Philip the evangelist, and Ananias who healed Paul. Jesus said in Mark 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part. Luke 9:50 And Jesus said to him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us. "
It seemed that man was NOT against Jesus but with Jesus because he cast demons in His name and the evil left the possessed people.
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Post by nathan on Oct 10, 2019 0:54:17 GMT -5
The 2x2 workers were NOT the first ones to go TWO and TWO itinerant ministry! THEY LIED if they believe that. The Faith Mission workers were going TWO and TWO ministry Matthew 10. The Faith Mission preachers were going in Faith. William Irvine, ex-Faith Mission preachers and many of the early 2x2s workers and friends were his converts from the FM gospel missions.
The 2x2s workers got the 2x2 apostolic ministry idea from the Faith Mission, the founder was John Govan in 1886. There were MANY apostolic 2x2 preachers going by Faith before the Faith Mission for 1800s years.
You keep adding stories to what the records have shown. They had no way of investigating if the two byvtwo in faith lines had been done since the Apostles or not. So they just decided to experiment it for themselves. They were the first “workers to go two by two and ended up creating a whole new denomination, which turns out to be an incidental thing. What do you mean William Irvine and the early workers HAD no way of investigating the 2x2 faith line. The 2x2 early workers and the friends had seen Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry worked in the lives of William Irvine and his Faith Mission companions and they professed in their mission. They saw and believed it worked through the Faith Mission 2x2 pilgrim/workers group. Your line of thinking is from an ex-2x2. You don't see the Holy Spirit working in it, how He gave them revelation and understanding to set up the Trinity= Father, Son, and Holy Spirit New Testament Sunday Worship meetings for the believers. To continue Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry that they copied from the Faith Mission.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 10, 2019 10:39:55 GMT -5
Nathan, it definitely said that the man did not follow with them. Don’t make up stories about it , he was not a Jesus follower. The man was NOT part of the 12 and 70 apostles apostolic ministry... He was a follower of Jesus like Stephen, Philip the evangelist, and Ananias who healed Paul. Jesus said in Mark 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part. Luke 9:50 And Jesus said to him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us. "
It seemed that man was NOT against Jesus but with Jesus because he cast demons in His name and the evil left the possessed people.
You don’t comprehend what it means when it says he wasn’t a “follower with us”. He was not believing Jesus as the Messiah! If no belief in Jesus as Messiah, means he was not considered the same as Stephen, et al.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 10, 2019 10:44:58 GMT -5
You keep adding stories to what the records have shown. They had no way of investigating if the two byvtwo in faith lines had been done since the Apostles or not. So they just decided to experiment it for themselves. They were the first “workers to go two by two and ended up creating a whole new denomination, which turns out to be an incidental thing. What do you mean William Irvine and the early workers HAD no way of investigating the 2x2 faith line. The 2x2 early workers and the friends had seen Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry worked in the lives of William Irvine and his Faith Mission companions and they professed in their mission. They saw and believed it worked through the Faith Mission 2x2 pilgrim/workers group. Your line of thinking is from an ex-2x2. You don't see the Holy Spirit working in it, how He gave them revelation and understanding to set up the Trinity= Father, Son, and Holy Spirit New Testament Sunday Worship meetings for the believers. To continue Jesus 2x2 apostolic ministry that they copied from the Faith Mission.They didn’t have internet, didn’t go to the local library . All they did was read Matthew 10 and decided to experiment to see if Matthew 10 still worked. That’s all it was. There’s no great mystery about how the 2x2 ministry and church got started. Apparently somewhere down the line, the Holy Spirit left out for they do not and adamantly deny Jesus is God! So don’t continue to make excuses for them. They dropped that which the Holy Spirit revealed to you and me and many others because in hatred for other religions they dropped/ purposefully cut the Trinity concept out of their religion. It came through hatred for other churc denominations. Anything coming by hatred can never be if the Holy Spirit.
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Post by mountain on Oct 10, 2019 15:03:38 GMT -5
The man casting out demons he was part of the followers/saints/Philip/Stephen/Aquilla and Prisilla or the friends ministry. Eph 4:11-15 The apostles/workers are to prepare/teach God's people for their own ministry so, they too can preach and teach others they come in contact with in their daily lives mingled among the people of this world.
The 2x2 believe and have the knowledge Jesus is God/the Son of God if they THINK, STUDY and MEDITATE about it. They prayed and give thanks and praises to God the Father, Christ their God and Savior, and Holy Spirit on EVERY Sunday morning meetings around the world.
Nathan, it definitely said that the man did not follow with them. Don’t make up stories about it , he was not a Jesus follower. Whilst there are times when I vehemently disagree with Nathan, my standards of fairness compel me to support him when necessary. The man who cast out demons was certainly one of Jesus's followers. However, he was not sent out two and two like the specially selected twelve Apostles/disciples. He was one of those not chosen for that mission. Otherwise the disciples would not have had any authority to stop him from casting out demons. Remember, the power to cast out demons, as with any God given power in the NT, required faith (in Jesus) and fasting. This was a case of jealousy amongst the disciples. They felt very special and debated amongst themselves which of them would be the greatest in the Kingdom of God, much to Jesus's despair. They forbad that man simply because he was not going about two and two like them (sound familiar?). They forbad him because they thought that power belonged to them only! He was of their following alright. The disciples could not have forbade him if they did not have authority over him. He was also very likely a local missionary, preaching the Kingdom of God, supported by the power to cast out demons, etc., which was proving his message. That's what the God given signs were for. To support and prove the oral message. One should not place their faith in belt buckles.
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