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Post by fixit on Oct 15, 2019 17:45:00 GMT -5
Yes, humans want to be part of a large organisation and a group with thousands of members will have leadership roles. As with all the teaching of Jesus, the carnal (earthly) mind cannot comprehend and accept his words... Matthew 20 New Living Translation (NLT)25...Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers in this world lord it over their people, and officials flaunt their authority over those under them. 26 But among you it will be different. Whoever wants to be a leader among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever wants to be first among you must become your slave. 28 For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve others and to give his life as a ransom for many.” balance that out with this verse: Heb_13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. What do you think was intended in Heb 13:17? Is it not referring to secular leaders? Here's how it was translated before the Anglican Church messed with it: Hebrews 13:17 Wycliffe Bible (WYC) 17 Obey ye to your sovereigns, and be ye subject to them; for they perfectly wake ****, as to yielding reason for your souls, that they do this thing with joy, and not sorrowing; for this thing speedeth not to you. **** Obey ye to your provosts, or prelates, and under-lay ye to them; they forsooth busily wake
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 18:06:51 GMT -5
balance that out with this verse: Heb_13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. What do you think was intended in Heb 13:17? Is it not referring to secular leaders? Here's how it was translated before the Anglican Church messed with it: Hebrews 13:17 Wycliffe Bible (WYC) 17 Obey ye to your sovereigns, and be ye subject to them; for they perfectly wake ****, as to yielding reason for your souls, that they do this thing with joy, and not sorrowing; for this thing speedeth not to you. **** Obey ye to your provosts, or prelates, and under-lay ye to them; they forsooth busily wake how do secular folks watch out for your souls?
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 15, 2019 18:14:59 GMT -5
matt 23, your partially right he said scribe not sadducee... And you're partly wrong -- you left out "but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not." Were we talking about workers?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 18:19:23 GMT -5
matt 23, your partially right he said scribe not sadducee... And you're partly wrong -- you left out "but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not." Were we talking about workers? i think i paraphrased it enough for the average bear to understand what verse i was talking about, you seemed to be able to decipher it fairly well.....
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 15, 2019 18:23:18 GMT -5
And you're partly wrong -- you left out "but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not." Were we talking about workers? i think i paraphrased it enough for the average bear to understand what verse i was talking about, you seemed to be able to decipher it fairly well..... I did, really. I, however, was thinking specifically of situations where the workers will tell you too do something that you believe to be wrong. Do you still believe in doing what they say in THAT situation?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 18:26:46 GMT -5
i think i paraphrased it enough for the average bear to understand what verse i was talking about, you seemed to be able to decipher it fairly well..... I did, really. I, however, was thinking specifically of situations where the workers will tell you too do something that you believe to be wrong. Do you still believe in doing what they say in THAT situation? honestly i take it case by case....but i've never had a worker ask me to do anything wrong...i have seen them do something wrong though and let him know it was bunk....
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 15, 2019 18:31:08 GMT -5
I did, really. I, however, was thinking specifically of situations where the workers will tell you too do something that you believe to be wrong. Do you still believe in doing what they say in THAT situation? honestly i take it case by case....but i've never had a worker ask me to do anything wrong...i have seen them do something wrong though and let him know it was bunk.... I knew you agreed with me. "I" happened to be "ASKED" and said it was bunk. That's maybe the difference. Can you relate?
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Post by fixit on Oct 15, 2019 20:02:05 GMT -5
What do you think was intended in Heb 13:17? Is it not referring to secular leaders? Here's how it was translated before the Anglican Church messed with it: Hebrews 13:17 Wycliffe Bible (WYC) 17 Obey ye to your sovereigns, and be ye subject to them; for they perfectly wake ****, as to yielding reason for your souls, that they do this thing with joy, and not sorrowing; for this thing speedeth not to you. **** Obey ye to your provosts, or prelates, and under-lay ye to them; they forsooth busily wake how do secular folks watch out for your souls? The same way secular folks take care of you when you send a "save our souls" distress signal. If you figure out what "soul" means in scripture some things will become clearer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 20:39:34 GMT -5
how do secular folks watch out for your souls? The same way secular folks take care of you when you send a "save our souls" distress signal. If you figure out what "soul" means in scripture some things will become clearer. ummmm no when someone saves you from a sinking ship they save your life not your soul.... and as a signalman i agree with this comment from free dictionary "SOS [not an acronym] a common misconception is that SOS means Save Our Ship/Souls (a distress call); the letters don't actually stand for anything"
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Post by fixit on Oct 15, 2019 21:05:41 GMT -5
The same way secular folks take care of you when you send a "save our souls" distress signal. If you figure out what "soul" means in scripture some things will become clearer. ummmm no when someone saves you from a sinking ship they save your life not your soul.... and as a signalman i agree with this comment from free dictionary "SOS [not an acronym] a common misconception is that SOS means Save Our Ship/Souls (a distress call); the letters don't actually stand for anything" The Greek is "animal soul". Different from spirit.
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Post by Dennis J on Oct 16, 2019 1:39:06 GMT -5
The same way secular folks take care of you when you send a "save our souls" distress signal. If you figure out what "soul" means in scripture some things will become clearer. ummmm no when someone saves you from a sinking ship they save your life not your soul.... and as a signalman i agree with this comment from free dictionary "SOS [not an acronym] a common misconception is that SOS means Save Our Ship/Souls (a distress call); the letters don't actually stand for anything" Being a former USCG navigator and communications officer, I was taught the reference to S.O.B. meant the same as “lives on board.” Have used it in my communications many times in the past.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 16, 2019 2:27:54 GMT -5
The same way secular folks take care of you when you send a "save our souls" distress signal. If you figure out what "soul" means in scripture some things will become clearer. ummmm no when someone saves you from a sinking ship they save your life not your soul.... and as a signalman i agree with this comment from free dictionary "SOS [not an acronym] a common misconception is that SOS means Save Our Ship/Souls (a distress call); the letters don't actually stand for anything" Isn't SOS Morse code for the letters, S O S ...---... and used because they were easily "tapped" out?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 2:31:16 GMT -5
ummmm no when someone saves you from a sinking ship they save your life not your soul.... and as a signalman i agree with this comment from free dictionary "SOS [not an acronym] a common misconception is that SOS means Save Our Ship/Souls (a distress call); the letters don't actually stand for anything" Isn't SOS Morse code for the letters, S O S ...---... and used because they were easily "tapped" out?yes..... "... --- ..."
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Post by Grant on Oct 16, 2019 3:41:32 GMT -5
ummmm no when someone saves you from a sinking ship they save your life not your soul.... and as a signalman i agree with this comment from free dictionary "SOS [not an acronym] a common misconception is that SOS means Save Our Ship/Souls (a distress call); the letters don't actually stand for anything" Being a former USCG navigator and communications officer, I was taught the reference to S.O.B. meant the same as “lives on board.” Have used it in my communications many times in the past.Interesting. Or otherwise, Souls on Board.
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Post by Dennis J on Oct 16, 2019 8:33:12 GMT -5
Being a former USCG navigator and communications officer, I was taught the reference to S.O.B. meant the same as “lives on board.” Have used it in my communications many times in the past. Interesting. Or otherwise, Souls on Board. If I recall you correctly, yes, Ma’am! I did not state that knowing it is likely easily questioned here when worded that way. Orally that was the correct verbal terminology we used. Although S.O B. most commonly used when communicating over the radio.
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Post by fixit on Oct 16, 2019 14:57:33 GMT -5
What do you think was intended in Heb 13:17? Is it not referring to secular leaders? Here's how it was translated before the Anglican Church messed with it: Hebrews 13:17 Wycliffe Bible (WYC) 17 Obey ye to your sovereigns, and be ye subject to them; for they perfectly wake ****, as to yielding reason for your souls, that they do this thing with joy, and not sorrowing; for this thing speedeth not to you. **** Obey ye to your provosts, or prelates, and under-lay ye to them; they forsooth busily wake how do secular folks watch out for your souls? Soul or psyche (Ancient Greek: ψυχή psykhḗ, of ψύχειν psýkhein, "to breathe") comprises the mental abilities of a living being: reason, character, feeling, consciousness, memory, perception, thinking, etc. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul
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Post by fixit on Oct 16, 2019 23:19:35 GMT -5
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Post by openingact34 on Oct 17, 2019 8:08:25 GMT -5
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Post by fixit on Oct 17, 2019 13:18:50 GMT -5
Are you saying that the message is only as good as the messenger? That a good message can only come from a good messenger, and a bad message can only come from a bad messenger? Bad things are only done by bad people, and good things are only done by good people?
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Post by openingact34 on Oct 17, 2019 15:23:59 GMT -5
Are you saying that the message is only as good as the messenger? That a good message can only come from a good messenger, and a bad message can only come from a bad messenger? Bad things are only done by bad people, and good things are only done by good people? I'll leave such claims to Jesus: "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit." Matthew 7:18 Obviously he didn't know much about fruit trees. I'm simply enjoying the hypocrisy...those who have the biggest problem obeying the ministers/workers end up being the most controlling tyrants in their own homes.
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Post by fixit on Oct 17, 2019 16:41:18 GMT -5
I'm simply enjoying the hypocrisy...those who have the biggest problem obeying the ministers/workers end up being the most controlling tyrants in their own homes. In my observations, the biggest tyrants have tended to be sycophants.
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Post by openingact34 on Oct 19, 2019 7:54:05 GMT -5
I'm simply enjoying the hypocrisy...those who have the biggest problem obeying the ministers/workers end up being the most controlling tyrants in their own homes. In my observations, the biggest tyrants have tended to be sycophants. The descending order of submission is described throughout the Bible, and righteous tyranny is imposed by the holy ones who are submitted to the Lord. Think of Ananias and Sapphira getting struck down for withholding from Peter, or the earth swallowing up those who murmured against Moses. The workers have very clear rules and expectations that need to apply to every aspect of your life. If you can't live with that, there are 33000 other denominations that you can join.
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Post by Dennis J on Oct 19, 2019 10:19:39 GMT -5
“Other denominations...” Is it finally being accepted and defined now as a “denomination?” If so, wouldn’t that mean they accept it as the church of their choice after all? Wouldn’t that be a change?
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