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Post by mountain on Oct 13, 2019 9:44:07 GMT -5
How does it gel with what Jesus said? Now you're debating with the wrong person. I'm not qualified to opine on that.
Sorry my dear friend, but when the Gene is let out the bottle, he doesn't go back in!
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Post by nathan on Oct 13, 2019 9:49:00 GMT -5
In America, the U.S. citizens do NOT get to attend the White House chief of staff meetings. Why, NOT? They don't want the citizens to pass on sensitive, national security information to the public or they don't want other nations to know such and such information.
Just like a few whistle blowers exposed Mr. Trump using his authority as the President to dig dirt on Joe Bidden and his son shady business dealing in Ukraine and China to ruin his chance of becoming U.S. President in 2020 election.
And some of the ex-workers and myself have shared that the workers meetings are just like Sunday morning meetings, but only workers are speaking. There is NOTHING hush, hush about the workers meetings. They don't share any BIG secret information at the workers meetings, but they might share some sensitive information at the Overseers workers meetings.
Nathan, you compare Worldly, Governmental, meetings, where sensitive, national security information is discussed, with, as one former worker states...the workers' meetings are little different to general fellowship meetings, and you state there is nothing hush, hush about them, with no secret information discussed at them. That's as unbalanced a comparison as you can get! Separating the full time ministry from the lay fellowship seems a bit of an anomaly? Now Overseers' Meetings? Are ordinary workers allowed to attend these? Hey, the overseers and workers make the rules, I don't. Like I said there is nothing to worry about if they don't invite the friends to attend it. There is NOT much going on with the workers meetings so, don't waste your time to attend it, the workers meetings are just like the Sunday fellowship meetings.
I have Never been to one myself. but my guess maybe some Wise senior workers are invited to the Overseers meetings to share their thoughts, and ideas.
In Luke 22 we read Jesus had his 12 apostles/workers meeting, then they shared with the 70, Paul and the rest of the followers/friends how to start the Christ's Passover worship/fellowship gathering on 1st day of the week, and to follow until the time of Jesus returns.
We can read it in I Cor. chapters 11-14 where Paul wrote about how to practice what Jesus had taught the 12 apostles in Luke 22 Christ's Passover/emblems of the New Testament Covenant.
Paul wrote in I Cor. 11:23-26 23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
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Post by mountain on Oct 13, 2019 9:56:56 GMT -5
Nathan, you compare Worldly, Governmental, meetings, where sensitive, national security information is discussed, with, as one former worker states...the workers' meetings are little different to general fellowship meetings, and you state there is nothing hush, hush about them, with no secret information discussed at them. That's as unbalanced a comparison as you can get! Separating the full time ministry from the lay fellowship seems a bit of an anomaly? Now Overseers' Meetings? Are ordinary workers allowed to attend these? I have Never been to one myself. but my guess maybe some Wise senior workers are invited to the Overseers meetings to share their thoughts, and ideas.
In Luke 22 we read Jesus had his 12 apostles/workers meeting, then they shared with the 70, Paul and the rest of the followers/friends how to start the Christ's Passover worship/fellowship gathering to follow until the time of Jesus return.
We can read it in I Cor. chapters 11-14 where Paul wrote about how to practice what Jesus had taught the 12 apostles in Luke 22.
The Church hadn't been formed at the time of the last supper, Nathan. You correctly observe that as the church was formed, the practice was shared by all. Remember too, it was the Church (body of believers) who sent out missionaries.
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Post by nathan on Oct 13, 2019 10:03:16 GMT -5
I have Never been to one myself. but my guess maybe some Wise senior workers are invited to the Overseers meetings to share their thoughts, and ideas.
In Luke 22 we read Jesus had his 12 apostles/workers meeting, then they shared with the 70, Paul and the rest of the followers/friends how to start the Christ's Passover worship/fellowship gathering to follow until the time of Jesus return.
We can read it in I Cor. chapters 11-14 where Paul wrote about how to practice what Jesus had taught the 12 apostles in Luke 22.
The Church hadn't been formed at the time of the last supper, Nathan. You correctly observe that as the church was formed, the practice was shared by all. Remember too, it was the Church (body of believers) who sent out missionaries. In Luke 22 Jesus instituted the form of worship and fellowship gathering for His apostles and disciples to meet on Weekly/First day of the week, before He ascended back to heaven to be with His heavenly Father. It's the Holy Spirit who sent out apostles/workers and the friends on their missions that is still the same today.
In John 4 Jesus told the Samaritan woman at the well, the time is coming the Jews will be no longer worshipping in Jerusalem temple because the temple will be destroyed/burned up by the Romans army in 70 A.D. Therefore, Jesus/God has set up a new place for His followers to come together and worship God in Spirit and in Truth.... And Luke 22 is the New Place of Worship Christ's Passover Lamb of God.
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Post by Gene on Oct 13, 2019 10:52:52 GMT -5
How does it gel with what Jesus said? Now you're debating with the wrong person. I'm not qualified to opine on that.
Sorry my dear friend, but when the Gene is let out the bottle, he doesn't go back in! <<genie whisps back into the bottle, tail first, pulling the stopper in after him; settles down for a nice long nap 😴 >>
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Post by mountain on Oct 13, 2019 11:43:16 GMT -5
The Church hadn't been formed at the time of the last supper, Nathan. You correctly observe that as the church was formed, the practice was shared by all. Remember too, it was the Church (body of believers) who sent out missionaries. In Luke 22 Jesus instituted the form of worship and fellowship gathering for His apostles and disciples to meet on Weekly/First day of the week, before He ascended back to heaven to be with His heavenly Father. It's the Holy Spirit who sent out apostles/workers and the friends on their missions that is still the same today.
In John 4 Jesus told the Samaritan woman at the well, the time is coming the Jews will be no longer worshipping in Jerusalem temple because the temple will be destroyed/burned up by the Romans army in 70 A.D. Therefore, Jesus/God has set up a new place for His followers to come together and worship God in Spirit and in Truth.... And Luke 22 is the New Place of Worship Christ's Passover Lamb of God.
The Holy Spirit is God operating through people. As stated previously, the Church had not been formed before Luke 22. Jesus told the woman at the well that God/the Father now required believers to worship him in spirit (possessing the Holy Spirit) and Truth (God's word). Jesus had dismissed the former places of tradition for worship, replacing them with spiritual condition as opposed to location.
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Post by fixit on Oct 13, 2019 13:53:25 GMT -5
This is a good attempt at justification and in normal circumstances, where worldly hierarchy exists would be understood and acceptable. How does this gel with what Jesus said?
Matt. 23.
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. Is it possible to have a Christian group of thousands of people that gels with the words of Jesus you quoted?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 13, 2019 14:21:47 GMT -5
And how about a police officers' Captains' meeting. Is it open to rank and file staff? It's certainly not open even to Captains in the Uk! The rank does not exist. I am looking for an 'explanation' at this stage as to why these workers meetings, which are clearly not just business meetings, but are apparently a form of religious service, are not open to the lay members of the group, if this is indeed the case? With 'Captains' meetings,' if such a thing exists, or any similar assembly, minutes are usually prepared and circulated afterwards, even to those not normally included in the meeting. Besides, why are we comparing 'gatherings not of this world,' with 'those of this world?' Let's not lose focus that the apparent exclusivity 'may' be justifiable. It is the 'why not' secondary question which is most important because that could justify that apparent exclusivity or it may condemn it? What about Captain Mannering? dont panic dont panic dont panic dont panic dont panic.........
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Post by nathan on Oct 13, 2019 14:25:45 GMT -5
In Luke 22 Jesus instituted the form of worship and fellowship gathering for His apostles and disciples to meet on Weekly/First day of the week, before He ascended back to heaven to be with His heavenly Father. It's the Holy Spirit who sent out apostles/workers and the friends on their missions that is still the same today.
In John 4 Jesus told the Samaritan woman at the well, the time is coming the Jews will be no longer worshipping in Jerusalem temple because the temple will be destroyed/burned up by the Romans army in 70 A.D. Therefore, Jesus/God has set up a new place for His followers to come together and worship God in Spirit and in Truth.... And Luke 22 is the New Place of Worship Christ's Passover Lamb of God.
The Holy Spirit is God operating through people. As stated previously, the Church had not been formed before Luke 22. Jesus told the woman at the well that God/the Father now required believers to worship him in spirit (possessing the Holy Spirit) and Truth (God's word). Jesus had dismissed the former places of tradition for worship, replacing them with spiritual condition as opposed to location. The early 2x2s workers and the friends had the Sunday morning worship/fellowship established correctly when they come together they WORSHIP, thanking, and praising God the Father, Jesus Christ the Lord our God and SAVIOR/the emblems= His life and sacrifice for our sins on Calvary's and to remember Him for all the things He has done for us, and the Holy Spirit as our Teacher, Comforter, Guide and Protector until the time of Jesus returns.
We are to worship NOT Him/God the Father but THEM= God the Father, Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit.
You were once a 2x2 for many years, you attended many Sunday morning/worship meetings, partaken the emblems, praying to the Elohim God= Father, Christ and Holy Spirit... AND you didn't KNOW or UNDERSTAND you were worshiping the TRINITY= Father, Christ and Holy Spirit?
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Post by Gene on Oct 13, 2019 14:27:32 GMT -5
Here is an agenda of what appears to be an early workers' meeting. Sorry, it is in Swiss. However is does reveal transparency back in the day! Arbeiterversammlung, Luzern, 22. August 1901 Agenda 1) Allgemeines Willkommen 2) Protokoll der letzten Sitzung vom 14. Februar 1901 3) Finanzbericht (Iva Lottado) 4) Arbeiterquartier (Haus Reddi) 5) Zelt- und Hüttenmissionen (Mo Byle-Venju) 6) Bereitstellung von Pferden (Otto Giddjup) 7) Schwanz-Docking-Eisen usw. (Wirrain Smith) 8) A.O.C.B. 9) Uhrzeit und Datum der nächsten Sitzung 10) Abschlussgebet Post of the day — maybe of the week. Let’s see what else comes in. A protest: This is in no way in the Swiss dialect. It’s clearly Hochdeutsch.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 13, 2019 14:47:01 GMT -5
Here is an agenda of what appears to be an early workers' meeting. Sorry, it is in Swiss. However is does reveal transparency back in the day! Arbeiterversammlung, Luzern, 22. August 1901 Agenda 1) Allgemeines Willkommen 2) Protokoll der letzten Sitzung vom 14. Februar 1901 3) Finanzbericht (Iva Lottado) 4) Arbeiterquartier (Haus Reddi) 5) Zelt- und Hüttenmissionen (Mo Byle-Venju) 6) Bereitstellung von Pferden (Otto Giddjup) 7) Schwanz-Docking-Eisen usw. (Wirrain Smith) 8) A.O.C.B. 9) Uhrzeit und Datum der nächsten Sitzung 10) Abschlussgebet Post of the day — maybe of the week. Let’s see what else comes in. A protest: This is in no way in the Swiss dialect. It’s clearly Hochdeutsch. NEIN. That is the only word of german I know.
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Post by mountain on Oct 13, 2019 15:32:50 GMT -5
Post of the day — maybe of the week. Let’s see what else comes in. A protest: This is in no way in the Swiss dialect. It’s clearly Hochdeutsch. NEIN. That is the only word of german I know. Curls, there were ten items on the Agenda, not nein!
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Post by mountain on Oct 13, 2019 15:37:01 GMT -5
This is a good attempt at justification and in normal circumstances, where worldly hierarchy exists would be understood and acceptable. How does this gel with what Jesus said?
Matt. 23.
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. Is it possible to have a Christian group of thousands of people that gels with the words of Jesus you quoted? Certainly not in mainstream Christianity!
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Post by mountain on Oct 13, 2019 15:39:55 GMT -5
The Holy Spirit is God operating through people. As stated previously, the Church had not been formed before Luke 22. Jesus told the woman at the well that God/the Father now required believers to worship him in spirit (possessing the Holy Spirit) and Truth (God's word). Jesus had dismissed the former places of tradition for worship, replacing them with spiritual condition as opposed to location. The early 2x2s workers and the friends had the Sunday morning worship/fellowship established correctly when they come together they WORSHIP, thanking, and praising God the Father, Jesus Christ the Lord our God and SAVIOR/the emblems= His life and sacrifice for our sins on Calvary's and to remember Him for all the things He has done for us, and the Holy Spirit as our Teacher, Comforter, Guide and Protector until the time of Jesus returns.
We are to worship NOT Him/God the Father but THEM= God the Father, Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit.
You were once a 2x2 for many years, you attended many Sunday morning/worship meetings, partaken the emblems, praying to the Elohim God= Father, Christ and Holy Spirit... AND you didn't KNOW or UNDERSTAND you were worshiping the TRINITY= Father, Christ and Holy Spirit? Nathan, I may have got some things wrong, perhaps a lot wrong, but in no way was I worshipping a false triune god of pagan origin!
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Post by fixit on Oct 13, 2019 15:55:33 GMT -5
Is it possible to have a Christian group of thousands of people that gels with the words of Jesus you quoted? Certainly not in mainstream Christianity! Anywhere else? People want organisation, and with it comes hierarchy.
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Post by nathan on Oct 13, 2019 16:01:41 GMT -5
The early 2x2s workers and the friends had the Sunday morning worship/fellowship established correctly when they come together they WORSHIP, thanking, and praising God the Father, Jesus Christ the Lord our God and SAVIOR/the emblems= His life and sacrifice for our sins on Calvary's and to remember Him for all the things He has done for us, and the Holy Spirit as our Teacher, Comforter, Guide and Protector until the time of Jesus returns.
We are to worship NOT Him/God the Father but THEM= God the Father, Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit.
You were once a 2x2 for many years, you attended many Sunday morning/worship meetings, partaken the emblems, praying to the Elohim God= Father, Christ and Holy Spirit... AND you didn't KNOW or UNDERSTAND you were worshiping the TRINITY= Father, Christ and Holy Spirit? Nathan, I may have got some things wrong, perhaps a lot wrong, but in no way was I worshipping a false triune god of pagan origin! You had been correct by worshiping/given praises to God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit= Triune God when you were a 2x2 but NOW, Satan has deceived you and making you believe that you had worship the pagans 3 false gods. The Triune God existed before the Universe was created so could God copied the pagans 3 gods worship.
Or perhaps, it was the other way around the pagans gods/Satan/demons KNEW about the Triune God- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit and they want to copy them..... And people like you think the Triune God came from pagans worship. The truth of the matter is the pagans copied it from the Triune eternal Godhead.
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Post by mountain on Oct 13, 2019 16:26:30 GMT -5
Certainly not in mainstream Christianity! Anywhere else? People want organisation, and with it comes hierarchy. Outside mainstream Christianity, it's hard to think of a Christian group numbering thousands. The point is, it's not what man wants (that is the world), it's what God institutes. (Virgs)
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Post by mountain on Oct 13, 2019 16:29:49 GMT -5
Nathan, I may have got some things wrong, perhaps a lot wrong, but in no way was I worshipping a false triune god of pagan origin! You had been correct by worshiping/given praises to God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit= Triune God when you were a 2x2 but NOW, Satan has deceived you and making you believe that you had worship the pagans 3 false gods. The Triune God existed before the Universe was created so could God copied the pagans 3 gods worship.
Or perhaps, it was the other way around the pagans gods/Satan/demons KNEW about the Triune God- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit and they want to copy them..... And people like you think the Triune God came from pagans worship. The truth of the matter is the pagans copied it from the Triune eternal Godhead.
I have never believed in or worshipped pagan 3 false gods. I don't know where you got that one from? I have only ever recognised and worshipped God who is the Father!
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Post by nathan on Oct 13, 2019 16:42:24 GMT -5
You had been correct by worshiping/given praises to God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit= Triune God when you were a 2x2 but NOW, Satan has deceived you and making you believe that you had worship the pagans 3 false gods. The Triune God existed before the Universe was created so could God copied the pagans 3 gods worship.
Or perhaps, it was the other way around the pagans gods/Satan/demons KNEW about the Triune God- Father, Christ and Holy Spirit and they want to copy them..... And people like you think the Triune God came from pagans worship. The truth of the matter is the pagans copied it from the Triune eternal Godhead.
I have never believed in or worshipped pagan 3 false gods. I don't know where you got that one from? I have only ever recognised and worshipped God who is the Father! If you worshipped ONLY God the Father then why did you bow your head and give thanks for the emblems to Jesus every Sunday morning meeting when you were a 2x2? Why, did you put Jesus, the Holy Spirit on the SAME Level as God the Father if they are NOT God?
ONLY God to be worship, you know....
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Post by mountain on Oct 13, 2019 16:53:28 GMT -5
I have never believed in or worshipped pagan 3 false gods. I don't know where you got that one from? I have only ever recognised and worshipped God who is the Father! If you worshipped ONLY God the Father then why did you bow your head and give thanks for the emblems to Jesus every Sunday morning meeting when you were a 2x2? Why, did you put Jesus, the Holy Spirit on the SAME Level as God the Father if they are NOT God?
Nathan, at NO time have I ever put Jesus or the Holy Spirit on the same level as God the Father. Let's be clear about that. Jesus told us plainly that the Father is greater than he. Also, of himself he could do nothing. Zilch, Nada. The Holy Spirit is NOT a person. Jesus tells us that it proceeds from 'the Father!' It is God the Father's Spirit. You have a Spirit. It proceeds from you. It is not on the same level as you because it is subject to you. As you well know, F&Ws give thanks to God the Father for his human being Son, Jesus, because God has arranged that salvation can only be obtained through Jesus. He is the route to the Father. By following in his footsteps, in the way, truth and life that is pleasing to the Father. Jesus was 100% obedient to God and therefore did not require a sacrifice to atone for any sins, but we, who have all fallen short, require the sacrifice of Jesus, the perfect human being, to atone for our sins. The F&Ws are thankful for the sacrifice of Jesus which makes it possible through atoning for sins and following in his footsteps, they can be presented holy and perfect before God and thus be found acceptable. Have you forgotten all of this? Because of his God pleasing victory, Jesus is seen as pre-eminent amongst God's chosen people. Not only that, he has been given position above the angels and everything else. This is what awaits the faithful. To be joint-heirs with Jesus. Crowned with glory and judging this world. Jesus is not the only one who will be crowned 'o God.' That awaits every true believer.
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Post by Gene on Oct 13, 2019 17:38:43 GMT -5
If you worshipped ONLY God the Father then why did you bow your head and give thanks for the emblems to Jesus every Sunday morning meeting when you were a 2x2? Why, did you put Jesus, the Holy Spirit on the SAME Level as God the Father if they are NOT God?
Nathan, at NO time have I ever put Jesus or the Holy Spirit on the same level as God the Father. Let's be clear about that. Jesus told us plainly that the Father is greater than he. Also, of himself he could do nothing. Zilch, Nada. The Holy Spirit is NOT a person. Jesus tells us that it proceeds from 'the Father!' It is God the Father's Spirit. You have a Spirit. It proceeds from you. It is not on the same level as you because it is subject to you. As you well know, F&Ws give thanks to God the Father for his human being Son, Jesus, because God has arranged that salvation can only be obtained through Jesus. He is the route to the Father. By following in his footsteps, in the way, truth and life that is pleasing to the Father. Jesus was 100% obedient to God and therefore did not require a sacrifice to atone for any sins, but we, who have all fallen short, require the sacrifice of Jesus, the perfect human being, to atone for our sins. The F&Ws are thankful for the sacrifice of Jesus which makes it possible through atoning for sins and following in his footsteps, they can be presented holy and perfect before God and thus be found acceptable. Have you forgotten all of this? Because of his God pleasing victory, Jesus is seen as pre-eminent amongst God's chosen people. Not only that, he has been given position above the angels and everything else. This is what awaits the faithful. To be joint-heirs with Jesus. Crowned with glory and judging this world. Jesus is not the only one who will be crowned 'o God.' That awaits every true believer. You mean to say you don't worship Jesus? I think that makes you a heathern.
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Post by nathan on Oct 13, 2019 19:10:16 GMT -5
Nathan, at NO time have I ever put Jesus or the Holy Spirit on the same level as God the Father. Let's be clear about that. Jesus told us plainly that the Father is greater than he. Also, of himself he could do nothing. Zilch, Nada. The Holy Spirit is NOT a person. Jesus tells us that it proceeds from 'the Father!' It is God the Father's Spirit. You have a Spirit. It proceeds from you. It is not on the same level as you because it is subject to you. As you well know, F&Ws give thanks to God the Father for his human being Son, Jesus, because God has arranged that salvation can only be obtained through Jesus. He is the route to the Father. By following in his footsteps, in the way, truth and life that is pleasing to the Father. Jesus was 100% obedient to God and therefore did not require a sacrifice to atone for any sins, but we, who have all fallen short, require the sacrifice of Jesus, the perfect human being, to atone for our sins. The F&Ws are thankful for the sacrifice of Jesus which makes it possible through atoning for sins and following in his footsteps, they can be presented holy and perfect before God and thus be found acceptable. Have you forgotten all of this? Because of his God pleasing victory, Jesus is seen as pre-eminent amongst God's chosen people. Not only that, he has been given position above the angels and everything else. This is what awaits the faithful. To be joint-heirs with Jesus. Crowned with glory and judging this world. Jesus is not the only one who will be crowned 'o God.' That awaits every true believer. You mean to say you don't worship Jesus? I think that makes you a heathen. Amen, Gene. Nobody Cannot Truly Worship God the Father Without God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Jesus warned the unbelieving Jews: Luke 10:16 He that heareth you heareth Me; and He that despiseth you despiseth Me; and he that despiseth Me despiseth Him that sent Me. Jesus said in John 5:23-27 " That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent Him. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth My word, and believeth on Him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in Himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in Himself; And hath given Him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am He, ye shall die in your sins.John 14:6-11 Jesus saith unto him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me. If ye had known Me, ye should have known My Father also: and from henceforth ye know Him, and have seen Him. The reason why Judaism won't save is because it rejects the Son whom the Father's sent. Jesus is clearer than day when He declares that no one can worship the Father except through Him. He never mentioned all must pass through His earthly mother that He honors but all can came to Him directly but nobody can come to the Father except through Him. Some Buddhists teach of Jesus as a Boddhisatva or enlightened being but not as the eternal Son of God. Dalai Llama and other Buddhist teachers may speak of Jesus in a positive light but they do not realize that they are not talking about the Jesus of the Bible. Some Taoists may put an image of Jesus in their temples while they teach that He's just another good teacher to follow but not as the eternal Son of God or just another Taoist god or saint. ~~ You are almost there, Ram. that you worship God the Father but you LEFT out His Son and Holy Spirit. The Jehovah Witnesses worship only God the Father and NOT the Son. They believe the word Jehovah refers ONLY to God the Father and NOT the Son. Jehovah Witnesses believe Jehovah is the Father's name.
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Post by fixit on Oct 13, 2019 19:33:38 GMT -5
This thread is titled:
Upcoming 2020 Australia Workers Convention
Should that be what is discussed, rather than trinitarian dogma?
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Post by nathan on Oct 13, 2019 19:42:05 GMT -5
This thread is titled: Upcoming 2020 Australia Workers Convention Should that be what is discussed, rather than trinitarian dogma? I think we are running out of steam with 2020 Australia Workers convention, But you are welcome to contribute and share with us what you know.
You're a 2x2 church elder believe in the Trinitarian having a home church where you worship God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit EVERY Sunday.... AND you say you don't believe in Trinitarian dogma? You should discard your Sunday morning because you and those in your home meeting are worshipping the Trinity, fixit.
What I don't understand is... How can you and MANY 2x2s workers and friends are Anti-Trinity believers but you folks having the Trinity form of worship format in your homes every Sunday around the world? AND don't even UNDERSTAND and KNOW who you are worshipping.
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Post by fixit on Oct 13, 2019 20:27:58 GMT -5
This thread is titled: Upcoming 2020 Australia Workers Convention Should that be what is discussed, rather than trinitarian dogma? I think we are running out of steam with 2020 Australia Workers convention, But you are welcome to contribute and share with us what you know.
You're a 2x2 church elder believe in the Trinitarian having a home church where you worship God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit EVERY Sunday.... AND you say you don't believe in Trinitarian dogma? You should discard your Sunday morning because you and those in your home meeting are worshipping the Trinity, fixit.
What I don't understand is... How can you and MANY 2x2s workers and friends are Anti-Trinity believers but you folks having the Trinity form of worship format in your homes every Sunday around the world? AND don't even UNDERSTAND and KNOW who you are worshipping.Nathan, I suggest you have a chat with the workers in your area.
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Post by nathan on Oct 13, 2019 20:33:53 GMT -5
I think we are running out of steam with 2020 Australia Workers convention, But you are welcome to contribute and share with us what you know.
You're a 2x2 church elder believe in the Trinitarian having a home church where you worship God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit EVERY Sunday.... AND you say you don't believe in Trinitarian dogma? You should discard your Sunday morning because you and those in your home meeting are worshipping the Trinity, fixit.
What I don't understand is... How can you and MANY 2x2s workers and friends are Anti-Trinity believers but you folks having the Trinity form of worship format in your homes every Sunday around the world? AND don't even UNDERSTAND and KNOW who you are worshipping. Nathan, I suggest you have a chat with the workers in your area. I have and they agree with me. Hopefully, things will change in this Anti-Trinity doctrine among the 2x2s because they are contradicting to their Sunday morning worship/fellowship meetings around the world, they come and worship/singing hymns, offer praises to God the Father, give thanks by partake the emblems of Christ's Passover for their sins and asking for the Holy Spirit presence in their meetings.
~~ an ex-2x2 wrote in 8/3/2017
I have an e-mail from a senior sister worker Barb H. in Oregon when I was writing back and forth to her and she put in writing that yes what I was revealed on my own through the holy spirit she also agrees with on the topic of who God is. One God who consists of 3 individual entities the father, the son, the holy spirit. She told me many friends don't get it but to not stop worshiping in spirit and in truth.
I couldn't sit around the emblems with a people who worship Jesus, yet claim that he isn't God and we know that our Bible tells us to only worship one God so it contradicted itself when everyone was worshiping Jesus. They didn't get it and they didn't put Jesus in his fullness. meeting goers claim that it's the same everywhere. Doctrine is not sound when they're not even on the same page though and it was so saddening to me.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 14, 2019 0:10:50 GMT -5
It would make sense for workers to meet separately from non-workers because they alone are dedicated to full-time ministry. As a non-police officer, I wouldn't expect to be admitted to a police officers staff meeting. Would you, mountain? I think your comparison needs some work? Workers and non-workers (friends) belong to the same fellowship. Why can't the ordinary members attend the workers (only) meetings? They are one and the same people. I can understand an outsider not being permitted, but the main thrust of my question was regarding the 'friends. A Police officers' staff meeting is usually open to people in that organisation who have an interest in the matters, practices to be discussed or exercised. Your answer appears to be attempting to justify the non-inclusion of associated members in one group with the non-inclusion of non-associated persons in another group? However, not all "associated members" are members of the "executive" !! It's only liberal CES's who consult with their, ahem, support staff.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 14, 2019 0:17:32 GMT -5
I have never believed in or worshipped pagan 3 false gods. I don't know where you got that one from? I have only ever recognised and worshipped God who is the Father! If you worshipped ONLY God the Father then why did you bow your head and give thanks for the emblems to Jesus every Sunday morning meeting when you were a 2x2? Why, did you put Jesus, the Holy Spirit on the SAME Level as God the Father if they are NOT God?
ONLY God to be worship, you know....
I have never prayed to Jesus. I started with "Our father", and I made sure that I told him I was asking him "In Jesus name". FWIW
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