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Post by Grant on Oct 9, 2019 16:11:28 GMT -5
It is getting a bit much. There are 2x2s and atheists alike on this board who I like and respect. It's one thing to have a lively disagreement, but I don't consider the wallys, fixits and enufs 'dum dums', neither do I think this of the dmmichgoods, Roselyns snows and curlys. If I were still a 2x2, I would read your posts (devoid of reason and/or personal kindness) and think, "if this is what happens to people who leave, I better stay in it forever!" I didn't post any dum, dums. Gratu did. Don't give me credit where credits not due. I spoke against them (:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 16:20:39 GMT -5
It is getting a bit much. There are 2x2s and atheists alike on this board who I like and respect. It's one thing to have a lively disagreement, but I don't consider the wallys, fixits and enufs 'dum dums', neither do I think this of the dmmichgoods, Roselyns snows and curlys. If I were still a 2x2, I would read your posts (devoid of reason and/or personal kindness) and think, "if this is what happens to people who leave, I better stay in it forever!" I didn't post any dum, dums. Gratu did. Don't give me credit where credits not due. I spoke against them (: I know, I was just using his terminology.😀 The further it's gotten, the more deeply ironic his posts have become. He has gotten more thoughtful responses then his ignorance to facts, abrasive righteousness and obsessive pasting of YouTube links warrant.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 9, 2019 23:08:59 GMT -5
Ah huh - whatever you say dear blind lady, but I see OBVIOUS differences in your first two 'copies' of my post, 'and I'm sure others very easily see the differences as well. But your quoting of my posts with dum dum comments on them are of no real importance to me anyway. So please pardon me for drawing attention to those differences in your 'copies' until you did get that post quoted accurately in the end - the discussion that post was part of was not with you to begin with -- but you did manage to commandeer it by screwing around with my post nonetheless, and now the cnversation it was a part of has been lost to your faulty denials, even to me and the other party to it. Ho hum dum. OK. Gratu, since you say that you "see OBVIOUS differences in your first two 'copies' of my post," Since you are so sure, would you please post your version of your post. Then below that post my copy of your post.
That way we can check.
Now, -no tricky stuff like trying to change your original one. They are both already in the record so it wouldn't work anyway.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 9, 2019 23:23:18 GMT -5
There are actual numerical inconsistencies. God sucked at math or had a poor memory. Or didn't think consistency/accuracy was important. Nswelshman,
I am sorry, but I don't understand what you mean by "actual numerical inconsistencies."
Do you mean that I made a mistake in copying gratu's post?
I don't see how I could have copied it incorrectly since I actually copied his post & pasted it in my post.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 9, 2019 23:56:55 GMT -5
When you use marginal 'experts' you have to expect readers who familiarize themselves with your sources to marginalize the marginal sources The games they played with you. The workers only have any power over people who allowed them to have the power. From your posts, it sounds like you gave the workers full control and they took advantage of the situation and you felt powerless to do anything else. It would certainly go a long way toward explaining the feelings you express now. No one cares if a scientist of a theist or an atheist. The judgement is on the quality of the work they produce Your 'experts' have been evaluated and much like Belshazzar the result is "TEKEL". I think you have confused enemies with poorly informed posters. I doubt that anyone will accuse you of acting dumb... "When you use marginal 'experts' you have to expect readers who familiarize themselves with your sources to marginalize the marginal sources.Surprise, surprise - YOU decide for everyone WHAT is not worthy of honor, including God. Since when do YOU decide for me what is or isn't "marginal." "Your 'experts' have been evaluated and much like Belshazzar the result is "TEKEL".""TEKEL" Tekel, (Turkish, literally single-hand or monopoly and generally capitalised as C was a Turkish tobacco and alcoholic beverages company. It was nationalised in 1925 from a parastatal (government owned/controlled) company, the Régie. A joint foreign and Ottoman consortium, the Régie was short for "La Société de la régie co-intéressée des tabacs de l'Empire Ottoman". Tekel evolved into the sole manufacturer and distributor of all alcohol and tobacco products in Turkey. Today, Tekel is no longer a monopoly but it does control taxing and distribution of all alcohol and tobacco products in Turkey. In 2008 it was sold to British American Tobacco and discontinued as a trademark in cigarettes, wines, liquors or other products, although some of its brand names are still used without the word "Tekel" preceding them; like the Buzbağ wine. Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tekel Ah huh - "evaluated " BY YOU - more dum dum that comnfirms what God said you are thousands of years ago. Gratu, -are you sure you that you have the right "TEKEL" that was being referred to by Rational?
I think it may have been a reference to the word "TEKEL" in Daniel 5:25
King James Bible
"And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN."
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 10, 2019 0:06:11 GMT -5
OK. Gratu, since you say that you "see OBVIOUS differences in your first two 'copies' of my post," Since you are so sure, would you please post your version of your post. Then below that post my copy of your post.
That way we can check.
Now, -no tricky stuff like trying to change your original one. They are both already in the record so it wouldn't work anyway. I already posted the original under yours, for which you thanked me claiming it confirmed that you accurately copied mine - go do your hunting if you want to see it AGAIN. I don't have to hunt, Gratu.
I know what they are & I know that YOU know what they are. If you don't post them together, -it is because you being deceptive.
You know that if you were to show them side-by-side you would be exposing your dishonesty. So you bluster and rant all you like, -it won't do you any good.
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Post by nswelshman on Oct 10, 2019 0:17:12 GMT -5
There are actual numerical inconsistencies. God sucked at math or had a poor memory. Or didn't think consistency/accuracy was important. Nswelshman,
I am sorry, but I don't understand what you mean by "actual numerical inconsistencies."
Do you mean that I made a mistake in copying gratu's post?
I don't see how I could have copied it incorrectly since I actually copied his post & pasted it in my post.I am reffering to the origonal post. Nothing to do with you. my apologies for the lack of clarity.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 10, 2019 0:30:38 GMT -5
I don't have to hunt, Gratu.
I know what they are & I know that YOU know what they are. If you don't post them together, -it is because you being deceptive.
You know that if you were to show them side-by-side you would be exposing your dishonesty. So you bluster and rant all you like, -it won't do you any good.
Nope - and tricky dick failed to provide a Bible reference to indicate that, nor did he define it. So I looked it up in his usual secular sources and defiined it for him. But now that you point at the Bible, I'm sure that trick dick will be grinning like a chesire cat over your assistance to snap the hammer of his thing. And no doubt he will show up crowing about his superior (to mine) knowledge of the Bible, putting on another dum dum display of arrogance - -- at least that Is what I expect to see from him as he has done that previously. Gratu, -if you are referring to Rational's post, he certainly DID provide a Bible reference.
To any one who has read the bible very much would know what he was referring to. They wouldn't need to be given the actual Book & verse to understand what he was writing about!
Here is Rational's sentence that you should have picked up on had you been familiar with the bible.
"Your 'experts' have been evaluated and much like Belshazzar the result is "TEKEL"." --
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 10, 2019 0:32:17 GMT -5
Nswelshman,
I am sorry, but I don't understand what you mean by "actual numerical inconsistencies." Do you mean that I made a mistake in copying gratu's post?
I don't see how I could have copied it incorrectly since I actually copied his post & pasted it in my post. I am reffering to the origonal post. Nothing to do with you. my apologies for the lack of clarity. Thanks, glad to know.
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Post by rational on Oct 10, 2019 9:47:45 GMT -5
When you use marginal 'experts' you have to expect readers who familiarize themselves with your sources to marginalize the marginal sources.The games they played with you. Te workers only have any power over people who allowed them to have the power. From your posts, it sounds like you gave the workers full control and they took advantage of the situation and you felt powerless to do anything else. It would certainly go a long way toward explaining the feelings you express now. No one cares if a scientist of a theist or an atheist. The judgement is on the quality of the work they produce. Your 'experts' have been evaluated and much like Belshazzar the result is "TEKEL". I think you have confused enemies with poorly informed posters. I doubt that anyone will accuse you of acting dumb... "When you use marginal 'experts' you have to expect readers who familiarize themselves with your sources to marginalize the marginal sources. Surprise, surprise - YOU decide for everyone WHAT is not worthy of honor, including God. Since when do YOU decide for me what is or isn't "marginal." I think you might be starting to understand. Yes, I do make my own decisions regarding the comments I make in posts. If I look at what is presented and see obvious distortions I will usually provide references to counter the claim. When it happens over and over by the same individual I will tend to marginalize their posts. I think it comes from working for years with people who carried a lot of baggage with them from days of their youth. After awhile you begin to see patterns in how they express themselves, especially around the "baggage". I have no idea how long you have been carrying this baggage but it core not seem that you are resolving the issue(s) and moving on. You are correct. It contains a typographical error. Does this make it better for you - "No one cares if a scientist is a theist or an atheist." In the future if you are going to quote what I have posted please do not modify the quotation to suit your needs. You really missed the mark with your explanation of "TEKEL". For someone who claims to be familiar with the bible a lot of the references zips right over your head... Yes, I make personal decisions. I evaluate data to see if it supports the claims. I know this is a strange situation when you simply follow the rules and do not raise any questions. I am guessing that is why you felt so powerless under the rule of the workers.
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Post by snow on Oct 10, 2019 12:15:12 GMT -5
Are you a Christian gratu? The post does not suggest you are. I would expect more from one if I was looking on this board. I didn't notice this post before now - sorry. What makes a "Christian" a "Christian," enuf? For me it used to mean, compassion, kindness, love, caring. Now I'm not so sure anymore.
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Post by rational on Oct 10, 2019 14:45:05 GMT -5
I didn't notice this post before now - sorry. What makes a "Christian" a "Christian," enuf? For me it used to mean, compassion, kindness, love, caring. Now I'm not so sure anymore. Oh, I think the description is accurate. But does the description fit?
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Post by rational on Oct 10, 2019 21:16:21 GMT -5
Nope - and tricky dick failed to provide a Bible reference to indicate that, nor did he define it. I did not provide a book, chapter, and verse reference. But I was referring to one of the well known stories from the old testament. You had posted: “Of course in that case the review would be by a single person based on their interpretation of the scripture.” Oh really – what about the scientists who expound science from a Biblical perspective right in the videos/articles? And I am trained in Biblical exegesis myself, so there are at least two reviewing every bit of it by Scripture, and several other skilled Bible believers involved with each viseo production/presentation as well as the presentation of every written article I have linked. Exegesis is a critical explanation or interpretation of a text, particularly a religious text. One would not expect someone with that training to look at text in a message board that discusses religious topics, see the words Belshazzar and TEKEL in the same sentence, and then jump right to explaining about a Turkish tobacco and alcoholic beverages company. And, as expected, place the blame on me for not spoon feeding you information/explanations the way the creationist sites do. There was no trick. You are striking out because once again you missed a common biblical text and failed to demonstrate any expertise you claimed to gain from your training in Biblical exegesis. If you paid for that training I would suggest you either apply for a refund or perhaps retake the training. I was surprised to see that you had deleted the post where you posted that you were"...trained in Biblical exegesis...". I had to locate it in the archives. Raises the question of why someone would go back and delete a post. It seems it was not as usual as you thought it was. In fact you were way off track. Really, a cigarette and alcohol monopoly. What were you thinking? There was no trick, just a lack of realization on your part that the Turkish company was incorrect. And, again, your failure to recognize what is in the bible only to have it pointed out to you by an atheist you have ridiculed. I don't know what knowledge you have of the bible other than what you have displayed and the training you have claimed. From what I have seen it is you that brings this topic up, usually after you have missed a point regarding the bible that someone else has pointed out. You might want to back off the condescension and name calling. The bible is a text to which everyone has access. Maybe give up the wasted hours of watching the creationist videos and study the bible. These are all traits that you have put on display. No one is playing any tricks. Take responsibility for your actions, even your mistakes. Stop trying to blame others for everything that happens. I suspect it is easier for you to convince yourself, and to try to convince readers, that there is some set of 'tricks' that are happening just to trip you up. I think that you are doing a fine job of tripping yourself up without the help of anyone else.
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Post by rational on Oct 10, 2019 21:54:44 GMT -5
So, I, in fact, "if I am referring to rsational's post," I failed to notice that rathional used one word out of the OT in his act of arrogantly passing GOD"S judgment upon my sources and me. I believe the judgement was only in reference to the references you provided. I was not passing god's judgement. I am capable of evaluating the information and drawing conclusions without divine direction. I thought there would be some twisting to shift all blame from you to someone else. Accepting responsibility is seemingly beyond you. Yep. I tricked you by making a post in plain sight. And you can continue throwing crap against the wall.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 11, 2019 0:25:29 GMT -5
"I don't have to hunt, Gratu. I know what they are & I know that YOU know what they are. If you don't post them together, -it is because you being deceptive. You know that if you were to show them side-by-side you would be exposing your dishonesty. So you bluster and rant all you like, -it won't do you any good."This is really interesting in light of the fact that I posted the original from my word processor, upon which it remained and from which it has been deleted and re-posted (avoiding double posting of it) several times. And YOUR dum dum show over the differences I have indicated is about as important to me as fly droppings. So "bluster and rant all you like", but just maybe you will start applying your own bottom line on every one of your postings - "PROVE IT!" Edit -Or maybe you will be a lot more careful in when and how you quote my postings in future - for if I see spelling errs etc. in the finished post off my word processor, I will correct them -- you have been asked a long time ago to WAIT for about an hour to quote my posts AND you have been told WHY. And I don't care whether you take heed or not because your replies are not even invited by me since I abandoned the thread on which I did invite atheist/evolutionists to show their stuff. Intrude on my threads any time you like, but KNOW NOW (very clearly) that your intrusion on my threads is not invited by me - and that applies to the rest of your atheist/evolutionist team on here. That is exactly what I have asked YOU to do, Gratu, "PROVE IT!" I ask you to "PROVE" that I had messed up your post. I ask you to post the original post you put on here, TMB, and then to compare it to what I copied of your post.
You won't do that and for a good reason, because if you did, -it would prove that they are exactly the same. I don't understand what you are saying here: I cannot understand why anyone would not edit their post before they posted it! So why do YOU post something before you made the final edit?
Yet, you say you make a post and then expect people to "WAIT for about an hour" to answer!
Hey, -how are WE to even suppose to know when you have the final revision?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 11, 2019 2:03:56 GMT -5
"I don't have to hunt, Gratu. I know what they are & I know that YOU know what they are. If you don't post them together, -it is because you being deceptive. You know that if you were to show them side-by-side you would be exposing your dishonesty. So you bluster and rant all you like, -it won't do you any good."This is really interesting in light of the fact that I posted the original from my word processor, upon which it remained and from which it has been deleted and re-posted (avoiding double posting of it) several times. And YOUR dum dum show over the differences I have indicated is about as important to me as fly droppings. So "bluster and rant all you like", but just maybe you will start applying your own bottom line on every one of your postings - "PROVE IT!" Edit -Or maybe you will be a lot more careful in when and how you quote my postings in future - for if I see spelling errs etc. in the finished post off my word processor, I will correct them -- you have been asked a long time ago to WAIT for about an hour to quote my posts AND you have been told WHY. And I don't care whether you take heed or not because your replies are not even invited by me since I abandoned the thread on which I did invite atheist/evolutionists to show their stuff. Intrude on my threads any time you like, but KNOW NOW (very clearly) that your intrusion on my threads is not invited by me - and that applies to the rest of your atheist/evolutionist team on here. That is exactly what I have asked YOU to do, Gratu, "PROVE IT!" I ask you to "PROVE" that I had messed up your post. I ask you to post the original post you put on here, TMB, and then to compare it to what I copied of your post.
You won't do that and for a good reason, because if you did, -it would prove that they are exactly the same. I don't understand what you are saying here: I cannot understand why anyone would not edit their post before they posted it! So why do YOU post something before you made the final edit?
Yet, you say you make a post and then expect people to "WAIT for about an hour" to answer!
Hey, -how are WE to even suppose to know when you have the final revision?
Did Wacko Jacko really die or has he morphed into Gratu?
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Post by snow on Oct 11, 2019 10:47:22 GMT -5
For me it used to mean, compassion, kindness, love, caring. Now I'm not so sure anymore. Oh, I think the description is accurate. But does the description fit? I don't know anymore. I used to think that it did. I have become more skeptical since being on here over the years. I think it definitely fits some, but not as many as I once thought I guess.
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Post by joanna on Oct 12, 2019 20:44:29 GMT -5
What makes a Christian a Christian? snow . I probably once thought those traits were aligned with christians too but that was when i was 'under the influence'. After observing the behaviours of many Christians on this forum and further afield, i now consider that: Duplicity; Arrogance; Hypocrisy; Belligerence; Unaccountability, Sanctimony and Ignorance are common to Christians (apologies to those who do not present in this manner).
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Post by rational on Oct 12, 2019 21:00:08 GMT -5
What makes a Christian a Christian? snow . I probably once thought those traits were aligned with christians too but that was when i was 'under the influence'. After observing the behaviours of many Christians on this forum and further afield, i now consider that: Duplicity; Arrogance; Hypocrisy; Belligerence; Unaccountability, Sanctimony and Ignorance are common to Christians (apologies to those who do not present in this manner). Maybe the question is in error. It should be "What makes a person a decent human being?" since what religion, group, sect, cult, organization, etc. they belong to or do not belong to doesn't seem to make much of a difference. Happy Columbus Day in honor/remembrance of a christian individual who spread his beliefs to the new world for better or worse.
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Post by joanna on Oct 12, 2019 21:05:05 GMT -5
rational . Though Christianity does make some large claims about the positive impacts of this belief on the individual so it is reasonable to discern whether those claims are reliable.
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Post by speak on Oct 12, 2019 21:16:04 GMT -5
Oh, I think the description is accurate. But does the description fit? I don't know anymore. I used to think that it did. I have become more skeptical since being on here over the years. I think it definitely fits some, but not as many as I once thought I guess. Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
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Post by rational on Oct 13, 2019 12:24:46 GMT -5
I don't know anymore. I used to think that it did. I have become more skeptical since being on here over the years. I think it definitely fits some, but not as many as I once thought I guess. Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen. An example of the no true Scotsman or appeal to purity logical fallacy.
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Post by snow on Oct 13, 2019 13:25:45 GMT -5
I don't know anymore. I used to think that it did. I have become more skeptical since being on here over the years. I think it definitely fits some, but not as many as I once thought I guess. Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen. Sometimes it seems like religion is used to justify things that aren't moral. They don't want to give to the poor because 'the poor will always be with us' and 'did Jesus give to the poor', for example. It's also okay to tell everyone that isn't a Christian that they are going to hell because they are just doing God's work. It's also okay to say atheists are not worth anything because they don't believe in Gods. Some don't have compassion or love for everyone, just the ones that believe as they do. I know there are really good Christians out there, we see evidence of that on here. They are loving, compassionate and not just of those who believe as they do. That's what I used to think was what Christians did. What they were like. That they were like Jesus, turned the other cheek when it was hard to do so, and loved their enemies just as much as their friends. I was obviously naive.
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Post by speak on Oct 13, 2019 16:07:08 GMT -5
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen. Sometimes it seems like religion is used to justify things that aren't moral. They don't want to give to the poor because 'the poor will always be with us' and 'did Jesus give to the poor', for example. It's also okay to tell everyone that isn't a Christian that they are going to hell because they are just doing God's work. It's also okay to say atheists are not worth anything because they don't believe in Gods. Some don't have compassion or love for everyone, just the ones that believe as they do. I know there are really good Christians out there, we see evidence of that on here. They are loving, compassionate and not just of those who believe as they do. That's what I used to think was what Christians did. What they were like. That they were like Jesus, turned the other cheek when it was hard to do so, and loved their enemies just as much as their friends. I was obviously naive. You are right and that is sad, Jesus never said don't give to the poor but encouraged them to do so. I don't believe it is right to tell anyone they aren't going to heaven, we are not to be judges. Jesus had compassion on many who were according to religious society not fit for the kingdom of God, but we see they were the ones He saved the thief on the cross for one, he could have been a murderer and Jesus would have still done the same thing. If we don't act with the same compassion and love as He did we won't be His.
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Post by rational on Oct 13, 2019 16:27:39 GMT -5
Sometimes it seems like religion is used to justify things that aren't moral. They don't want to give to the poor because 'the poor will always be with us' and 'did Jesus give to the poor', for example. It's also okay to tell everyone that isn't a Christian that they are going to hell because they are just doing God's work. It's also okay to say atheists are not worth anything because they don't believe in Gods. Some don't have compassion or love for everyone, just the ones that believe as they do. I know there are really good Christians out there, we see evidence of that on here. They are loving, compassionate and not just of those who believe as they do. That's what I used to think was what Christians did. What they were like. That they were like Jesus, turned the other cheek when it was hard to do so, and loved their enemies just as much as their friends. I was obviously naive. You are right and that is sad, Jesus never said don't give to the poor but encouraged them to do so. I don't believe it is right to tell anyone they aren't going to heaven, we are not to be judges. Jesus had compassion on many who were according to religious society not fit for the kingdom of God, but we see they were the ones He saved the thief on the cross for one, he could have been a murderer and Jesus would have still done the same thing. If we don't act with the same compassion and love as He did we won't be His. But unless you believe in Jesus, accordinbg to what he said, you will be relegated to eternal damnation.
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Post by janj on Oct 13, 2019 17:11:22 GMT -5
What makes a Christian a Christian? snow . I probably once thought those traits were aligned with christians too but that was when i was 'under the influence'. After observing the behaviours of many Christians on this forum and further afield, i now consider that: Duplicity; Arrogance; Hypocrisy; Belligerence; Unaccountability, Sanctimony and Ignorance are common to Christians (apologies to those who do not present in this manner). Those people that you think are arrogant, sanctimonious, ignorant: how do you know what they may been without christianity in their lives? They might have been a whole lot worse!It may just be that having God in their lives has made them a much 'better' person. We tend to measure everyone with our own 'nice person' yardstick, but not all start at the same point.
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Post by speak on Oct 13, 2019 17:53:51 GMT -5
You are right and that is sad, Jesus never said don't give to the poor but encouraged them to do so. I don't believe it is right to tell anyone they aren't going to heaven, we are not to be judges. Jesus had compassion on many who were according to religious society not fit for the kingdom of God, but we see they were the ones He saved the thief on the cross for one, he could have been a murderer and Jesus would have still done the same thing. If we don't act with the same compassion and love as He did we won't be His. But unless you believe in Jesus, accordinbg to what he said, you will be relegated to eternal damnation. You have no worries about that do you, as you have stated you don't believe so how can it affect you?
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Post by rational on Oct 13, 2019 21:05:05 GMT -5
But unless you believe in Jesus, according to what he said, you will be relegated to eternal damnation. You have no worries about that do you, as you have stated you don't believe so how can it affect you? Personally I am not worried about it but I do worry about the children being told that they may be relegated to eternal damnation unless they follow a set of beliefs. And to make it worse they are told the entity that is doing the judging is omnipresent and omniscient and is watching them all the time. This is not a healthy environment for children. The christian religion teaches that we are all born evil. There is an all-powerful ever watching god who will punish us forever in hell -- but then he had his child tortured and killed to saved from that eternal torture. And humans can be saved if they are 'good'. And if they are not god will know.
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