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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 0:36:14 GMT -5
Amazon www.amazon.com/Undeniable-Biology-Confirms-Intuition-Designed/dp/0062349597Undeniable: How Biology Confirms Our Intuition That Life Is Designed By Douglas Axe Throughout his distinguished and unconventional career, engineer-turned-molecular-biologist Douglas Axe has been asking the questions that much of the scientific community would rather silence. Now, he presents his conclusions in this brave and pioneering book. Axe argues that the key to understanding our origin is the “design intuition”—the innate belief held by all humans that tasks we would need knowledge to accomplish can only be accomplished by someone who has that knowledge. For the ingenious task of inventing life, this knower can only be God. (emphasis gratu's) Starting with the hallowed halls of academic science, Axe dismantles the widespread belief that Darwin’s theory of evolution is indisputably true, showing instead that a gaping hole has been at its center from the beginning. He then explains in plain English the science that proves our design intuition scientifically valid. Lastly, he uses everyday experience to empower ordinary people to defend their design intuition, giving them the confidence and courage to explain why it has to be true and the vision to imagine what biology will become when people stand up for this truth. Armed with that confidence, readers will affirm what once seemed obvious to all of us—that living creatures, from single-celled cyanobacteria to orca whales and human beings, are brilliantly conceived, utterly beyond the reach of accident. Our intuition was right all along.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 26, 2019 0:41:57 GMT -5
Amazon www.amazon.com/Undeniable-Biology-Confirms-Intuition-Designed/dp/0062349597Undeniable: How Biology Confirms Our Intuition That Life Is Designed By Douglas Axe Named A Best Book of the Year by World Magazine Throughout his distinguished and unconventional career, engineer-turned-molecular-biologist Douglas Axe has been asking the questions that much of the scientific community would rather silence. Now, he presents his conclusions in this brave and pioneering book. Axe argues that the key to understanding our origin is the “design intuition”—the innate belief held by all humans that tasks we would need knowledge to accomplish can only be accomplished by someone who has that knowledge. For the ingenious task of inventing life, this knower can only be God. Starting with the hallowed halls of academic science, Axe dismantles the widespread belief that Darwin’s theory of evolution is indisputably true, showing instead that a gaping hole has been at its center from the beginning. He then explains in plain English the science that proves our design intuition scientifically valid. Lastly, he uses everyday experience to empower ordinary people to defend their design intuition, giving them the confidence and courage to explain why it has to be true and the vision to imagine what biology will become when people stand up for this truth. Armed with that confidence, readers will affirm what once seemed obvious to all of us—that living creatures, from single-celled cyanobacteria to orca whales and human beings, are brilliantly conceived, utterly beyond the reach of accident. Our intuition was right all along. Do you have any thoughts of your own @gratu ? We can all copy and paste from what supports our views....!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 1:28:16 GMT -5
I would be delighted to hear gratu's analysis of Dr.Jeremy England's work on the tendency of spontaneous molecular self-assembly and the thermodynamic favorability of such spontaneous organization due to dissipation of energy along complex systems over cost of conformational entropy.
Or Axe's analysis, for that matter.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 26, 2019 3:28:42 GMT -5
I would be delighted to hear gratu's analysis of Dr.Jeremy England's work on the tendency of spontaneous molecular self-assembly and the thermodynamic favorability of such spontaneous organization due to dissipation of energy along complex systems over cost of conformational entropy. Or Axe's analysis, for that matter. I bet you would. You claim to be a malocular biologist, and if any layman dared to enter your court, I already know from your past practice that you would have a field-day with your average 2x2 style ad hominem, by which you would save yourself from re-writing several paragraphs IN THE PAST, which was just another more sophisticated type of ad hominem that might be expected since one would expect you to improve that practice after leaving the 2x2s behind you. All a layman could SAFELY do for you is to google those two for you and quote both for you - and still get your ad hominem for getting them off those 'horrid' "creationist sites." I have already experience your practices frequently enough to know you (and evidently a few others like you on here) would love to hear even one word from gratu - and even these words will undoubtedly fit your anxiety for attacking the man - right? (Final comp. "11 minutes ago") Do you realize Gratu, -that you really don't make any sense at all?
Your posts tend to be a kind of word salad, with repeated words thrown together like " ad hominem " and "2x2 style" & tossing them around with accusations but no real facts.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 26, 2019 3:56:30 GMT -5
I bet you would. You claim to be a malocular biologist, and if any layman dared to enter your court, I already know from your past practice that you would have a field-day with your average 2x2 style ad hominem, by which you would save yourself from re-writing several paragraphs IN THE PAST, which was just another more sophisticated type of ad hominem that might be expected since one would expect you to improve that practice after leaving the 2x2s behind you. All a layman could SAFELY do for you is to google those two for you and quote both for you - and still get your ad hominem for getting them off those 'horrid' "creationist sites." I have already experience your practices frequently enough to know you (and evidently a few others like you on here) would love to hear even one word from gratu - and even these words will undoubtedly fit your anxiety for attacking the man - right? (Final comp. "11 minutes ago") Do you realize Gratu, -that you really don't make any sense at all?
Your posts tend to be a kind of word salad, with repeated words thrown together like " ad hominem " and "2x2 style" & tossing them around with accusations but no real facts. You don't want to know where he gets the sauce for his salad.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 26, 2019 5:37:06 GMT -5
“Do you realize Gratu, -that you really don't make any sense at all? “ Yup – I make no cents. And those I find I just thrown them in a salad and toss it around so others . And I see that the herd on here even plays ad hominem on noncents. Thanks for making it possible for me to delete the that salad. (Final comp. "a few seconds ago")
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 26, 2019 6:15:29 GMT -5
Excerpts Is evolution pseudoscience? (the subject of the thread)by Mark Johansen The Skeptic’s Dictionary contains an entry on ‘pseudoscience’ that includes ten characteristic fallacies of pseudoscientific theories.1 The list’s compiler clearly did not have evolution in mind, as the very first group the article identifies as pseudoscientific is ‘creationists’. Ironically, evolution has almost every characteristic on this list. Let’s look at how evolution exhibits the fallacies listed by these self-proclaimed skeptics, with just one example of each. 3 Some can’t be tested because they are consistent with every imaginable state of affairs in the empirical world.
The next is essentially the same: 4 … [or] are so vague and malleable that anything relevant can be shoehorned to fit the theory.
Evolutionists are always ready with a story to explain any observed trait of a species. Why do some birds, like peacocks and birds of paradise, have beautiful and elaborate tails? Evolutionists explain, ‘If a peacock can … find food and evade predators while dragging around a bigger and more conspicuous tail than his rivals do’ this demonstrates that he is particularly strong and capable, and thus makes a better mate. So evolution selects females that prefer males with the most elaborate tails.5 ......see the rest at the link below....... So if you can’t actually prove your theory using the scientific method, which actually uses controlled experiment, as distinct from plausible story telling, simply declare that only ‘naïve’ people think that the scientific method has anything to do with ‘science’. Thus, of the ten characteristics of pseudoscience listed in the Skeptic’s Dictionary, evolution meets nine. Few other pseudosciences—astrology, astral projection, alien abduction, crystal power, or whatever—would meet so many. (emphasis gratu's)
Creation.com creation.com/is-evolution-pseudoscienceStill none of your own views or thoughts @gratu ?
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Post by rational on Nov 26, 2019 6:30:52 GMT -5
“I've tried that in the past, ...” If you did that in the past on this board, unless you deleted it, it would still be on this board somewhere that could be easily linked (to avoid re-write and prove your claim). So, I'll opt for your self-assessment of cowardice for now. Final comp. “a few seconds ago”) Coming from someone who does not read posts that refute the claims made in the creationist links you throw against the wall like so many cow paddies, it does not carry a lot of weight. I appreciate the effort made by those who have a deeper knowledge of subjects. I also know how fruitless it seems what the only response if cut-and-paste without regard to the source or authenticity of the material being presented.
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Post by rational on Nov 26, 2019 6:43:03 GMT -5
Nope. The scientific community would like the facts and, as shown by sites like this illustrate the response to the claims made by Axe. Only in the eyes of the Discovery Institute PR staff.
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Post by rational on Nov 26, 2019 6:59:03 GMT -5
As a molecular biologist myself, there are a number of obvious objections to Axe's critique. I don't think that enumerating them would serve a functional purpose here though. I've tried that in the past, but after composing several paragraphs of thorough and accurate response and being met with more copy/paste full of misleading "scientific Creationist" opinion, it seems futile. Doubtless this will be pounced on as cowardly, but just consider it's possible to not know what you don't know. I can appreciate your sentiment. It reminds me of verses from the big book: "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces."And This too shall pass.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 13:08:12 GMT -5
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Post by Annan on Nov 26, 2019 13:11:43 GMT -5
Why did you delete your post where you told Rational to go hang himself? I'm going to have to start calling you GloryinChrist/GloryinTruth/JL.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 13:36:50 GMT -5
I bet you would. You claim to be a malocular biologist, and if any layman dared to enter your court, I already know from your past practice that you would have a field-day with your average 2x2 style ad hominem, by which you would save yourself from re-writing several paragraphs IN THE PAST, which was just another more sophisticated type of ad hominem that might be expected since one would expect you to improve that practice after leaving the 2x2s behind you. All a layman could SAFELY do for you is to google those two for you and quote both for you - and still get your ad hominem for getting them off those 'horrid' "creationist sites." I have already experience your practices frequently enough to know you (and evidently a few others like you on here) would love to hear even one word from gratu - and even these words will undoubtedly fit your anxiety for attacking the man - right? (Final comp. "11 minutes ago") Do you realize Gratu, -that you really don't make any sense at all?
Your posts tend to be a kind of word salad, with repeated words thrown together like " ad hominem " and "2x2 style" & tossing them around with accusations but no real facts. Is a "mal-ocular biologist" someone who studies eyes, but badly? I suppose creation "scientists" who argue for the irreducible complexity of the eye can add the gratuitous title of Malocular Biologist to their Covery Institute profile. My recommendation is that gratu not take us too seriously. It's impossible to win an internet debate after all. Better to not get too irate after all (advice I sometimes must take myself).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 13:46:39 GMT -5
Is a "mal-ocular biologist" someone who studies eyes, but badly? I suppose creation "scientists" who argue for the irreducible complexity of the eye can add the gratuitous title of Malocular Biologist to their Covery Institute profile. Nope. That's YOUR spelling - mine was "malocular" and it has nuthin to do with creation science nither. (Final comp. "2 minutes ago") I guess I'm unfamiliar with that scientific subdiscipline. Is it similar to a molecular biologist?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 15:08:08 GMT -5
I guess I'm unfamiliar with that scientific subdiscipline. Is it similar to a molecular biologist? Sorry - I re-wrote that final to better reflect the meaning of "malocular biologist." (Final comp. a few seconds ago") Ah - fair enough. I learn something every day.
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Post by snow on Nov 26, 2019 15:27:41 GMT -5
Here’s Douglas Axe, author of Undeniable: How Biology Confirms Our Intuition That Life Is Designed, (Harper One, 2016) in an interview at Biola prof Sean McDowell’s blog: MCDOWELL: Scientifically speaking, what is your biggest critique of Darwinian evolution? AXE: Darwin’s mechanism explains some things, such as the ongoing annual battle between the flu virus and humans. These things may impact human lives greatly, but they have no bearing at all on the weighty question of where humans came from. With respect to that question, the only thing that keeps Darwinism going is the culture of intimidation that makes so many of us afraid to question it. In other words, as an answer to the big question of our origin, Darwinism has succeeded only socially, not scientifically. It is living proof of the power of herdthink. If I’m right about this, then there should be no shortage of scientific refutations of the theory. This is indeed the case. Take your pick. Those who like math may prefer the various refutations based on probability—all boiling down to the plain fact that blind causes are stupendously unlikely to stumble upon any of the ingenious contrivances that characterize life (and, again, natural selection is completely irrelevant until these things are stumbled upon). Those intrigued by the problem of consciousness might prefer refutations based on the incoherence of physical explanations of mind. Or, if common-sense reasoning is your thing, I’ve developed a refutation based on the unacceptability of appeals to scary coincidences (which Darwinism ends up being). Then again, if you simply value scientific honesty, you ought to be moved by the fact that thousands of professional Darwinists laboring for 160 years have not explained the origin of a single complex functional feature of life with the degree of rigor expected in all serious sciences. Lots of imaginative storytelling and vigorous handwaving, but nothing at all that rises to the level of a demonstration. Not even close. Sean McDowell, “The Origin of Species Turns 160 Years Old. What Is the State of Darwinism Today?” at Sean McDowell: Bringing truth to a new generation Central Weakness of Darwinism today“Evolution is a general postulate to which all theories, all hypotheses, all systems must henceforth bow and which illuminates all facts, a trajectory which all lines of thought must follow.” -Teilhard de Chardin Phillip Johnson: “The continual efforts to base a religion or ethical system upon evolution are not an aberration, and practically all the most prominent Darwinist writers have tried their hand at it. Darwinist evolution is an imaginative story about who we are and where we came from, which is to say it is a creation myth. As such it is an obvious starting point for speculation about how we ought to live and what we ought to value” (Darwin on Trial, p. 163) As a molecular biologist myself, there are a number of obvious objections to Axe's critique. I don't think that enumerating them would serve a functional purpose here though. I've tried that in the past, but after composing several paragraphs of thorough and accurate response and being met with more copy/paste full of misleading "scientific Creationist" opinion, it seems futile. Doubtless this will be pounced on as cowardly, but just consider it's possible to not know what you don't know. I often wonder how people can support such misleading information and not feel embarrassment for showing just how little they understand evolution and yet feel obliged to say it's wrong.
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Post by snow on Nov 26, 2019 15:31:23 GMT -5
Why did you delete your post where you told Rational to go hang himself? I'm going to have to start calling you GloryinChrist/GloryinTruth/JL. He deletes most of his posts. He allows them to be up for a period of time and then he deletes them. None of us understand how he thinks because he also gets upset when we quote his post before he says it was finished. Why post it then if it's not finished? It's truly bizarre.
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Post by rational on Nov 26, 2019 17:19:25 GMT -5
At least it is a scientific theory.
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Post by rational on Nov 26, 2019 17:49:26 GMT -5
At least it is a scientific theory. So is the flat tire on my bicycle which i do not look at for as long as a year at a time. Did that tire go flat over billions of years or did it go flat in mere seconds - only scientific observation can give a reasonable answer. And that it went flat "slowly" at the same time it went flat "quickly" is NOT a reasonable answer, nor is it a "scientific" answer. But that is just the kind of 'answer' evolution provides to explain the Cambrian Explosion (among other similar evidences). (Final comp. "7 minute ago") Wow! That is a really well tossed word salad. I think if you look at information from non-creationist sources there might be something to the increase of atmospheric oxygen leading up to the cambrian explosion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 19:08:08 GMT -5
So is the flat tire on my bicycle which i do not look at for as long as a year at a time. Did that tire go flat over billions of years or did it go flat in mere seconds - only scientific observation can give a reasonable answer. And that it went flat "slowly" at the same time it went flat "quickly" is NOT a reasonable answer, nor is it a "scientific" answer. But that is just the kind of 'answer' evolution provides to explain the Cambrian Explosion (among other similar evidences). (Final comp. "7 minute ago") Wow! That is a really well tossed word salad. I think if you look at information from non-creationist sources there might be something to the increase of atmospheric oxygen leading up to the cambrian explosion. Excerpts
Astrobiology Magazinewww.astrobio.net/origin-and-evolution-of-life/oxygen-not-the-cause-of-the-cambrian-explosion/OXYGEN NOT THE CAUSE OF THE CAMBRIAN EXPLOSIONBy Astrobiology Magazine - Oct 22, 2013 Any textbook will tell you that oxygen is essential for advanced life to evolve. But why did life not explode when oxygen levels rose dramatically 2.1 billion years ago? This is the big question after a Danish/Swedish/French research team, led by University of Southern Denmark, has shown that the oxygen content 2.1 billion years ago was probably the same as when life exploded 500 million years ago (emphasis gratu's)from the same Mag of 2018:
EARTH’S OXYGEN INCREASED IN GRADUAL STEPS RATHER THAN BIG BURSTSAug 31, 2018 www.astrobio.net/origin-and-evolution-of-life/earths-oxygen-increased-in-gradual-steps-rather-than-big-bursts/ A carbon cycle anomalydiscovered in carbonate rocks of the Neoproterozoic Hüttenberg Formation of north-eastern Namibia follows a pattern similar to that found right after the Great Oxygenation Event, hinting at new evidence for how Earth’s atmosphere became fully oxygenated. By using the Hüttenberg Formation, which formed between a billion and half a billion years ago, to study the time between Earth’s change from an anoxic environment (i.e. one lacking oxygen) to a more hospitable environment that heralded the animal kingdom, a team of researchers led by Dr. Huan Cui of the NASA Astrobiology Institute at the University of Wisconsin–Madison discovered a sustained, high level of carbon. This influx of carbon, coupled with changes in other elements, indicates how changing levels of oceanic oxygen may have lent a helping hand to early animal evolution.Gratu's note - why not toss around 500 gazillion years as the evolution theory tosses around billions and millions and even a half million years as if its 'time' barrel is as bottomless as the county's tax barrel. Astrobiology Magazine (exploring the solar system and beyond), or Astrobiology Mag, was an American NASA-sponsored international online popular science magazine that contained popular science content, which refers to articles for the general reader on science and technology subjects.[1][2] The magazine reported on missions of NASA and other space agencies, as well as presented news of relevant research conducted by various institutions, universities, and non-profit groups. In addition, the magazine provided a forum through which researchers and the general public could oversee the progress made in fields of study that were associated with the science of astrobiology. According to Phys.org, the magazine has a "vast archive of stories covering a broad array of topics ... [and] covers science and nature topics relevant to space, innovation and biology, with an emphasis on the existence, detection and exploration of life in the universe".[3] The magazine was created by Helen Matsos, who was the Chief Editor and Executive Producer. It began publication in 1999 and ceased publication in February 2019.[1]Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrobiology_MagazineNow, rational, let us see you play similar ad hjominem upon that non-creationist sourcs as you do upon "creationist sties." For 2x2 or other visitors specifically - try to understand the above two excerpts, then have a read of your Bible, which has God stating that those who say in their heart there is no God are "fools." And it also states that God will send them a "strong delusion" that they will believe a lie. Then try to understand the above two excerpts once again. I for one will stick to the Bible and trust God rather than men.
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Post by rational on Nov 26, 2019 22:31:14 GMT -5
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Astrobiology Magazinewww.astrobio.net/origin-and-evolution-of-life/oxygen-not-the-cause-of-the-cambrian-explosion/OXYGEN NOT THE CAUSE OF THE CAMBRIAN EXPLOSIONBy Astrobiology Magazine - Oct 22, 2013 from the same Mag of 2018:
EARTH’S OXYGEN INCREASED IN GRADUAL STEPS RATHER THAN BIG BURSTS Aug 31, 2018 www.astrobio.net/origin-and-evolution-of-life/earths-oxygen-increased-in-gradual-steps-rather-than-big-bursts/
A carbon cycle anomalydiscovered in carbonate rocks of the Neoproterozoic Hüttenberg Formation of north-eastern Namibia follows a pattern similar to that found right after the Great Oxygenation Event, hinting at new evidence for how Earth’s atmosphere became fully oxygenated.
By using the Hüttenberg Formation, which formed between a billion and half a billion years ago, to study the time between Earth’s change from an anoxic environment (i.e. one lacking oxygen) to a more hospitable environment that heralded the animal kingdom, a team of researchers led by Dr. Huan Cui of the NASA Astrobiology Institute at the University of Wisconsin–Madison discovered a sustained, high level of carbon. This influx of carbon, coupled with changes in other elements, indicates how changing levels of oceanic oxygen may have lent a helping hand to early animal evolution.
Gratu's note - why not toss around 500 gazillion years as the evolution theory tosses around billions and millions and even a half million years as if its 'time' barrel is as bottomless as the county's tax barrel.
Astrobiology Magazine (exploring the solar system and beyond), or Astrobiology Mag, was an American NASA-sponsored international online popular science magazine that contained popular science content, which refers to articles for the general reader on science and technology subjects.[1][2] The magazine reported on missions of NASA and other space agencies, as well as presented news of relevant research conducted by various institutions, universities, and non-profit groups. In addition, the magazine provided a forum through which researchers and the general public could oversee the progress made in fields of study that were associated with the science of astrobiology. According to Phys.org, the magazine has a "vast archive of stories covering a broad array of topics ... [and] covers science and nature topics relevant to space, innovation and biology, with an emphasis on the existence, detection and exploration of life in the universe".[3] The magazine was created by Helen Matsos, who was the Chief Editor and Executive Producer. It began publication in 1999 and ceased publication in February 2019.[1] Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrobiology_Magazine
Now, rational, let us see you play similar ad hjominem upon that non-creationist sourcs as you do upon "creationist sties."You quoted a single source multiple times. It is a one look at the role of oxygen and is not the definitive research on the topic. There are multiple of research papers that do not support the conclusion reached. Being able to exist on low levels of oxygen does not mean the same low levels would be condusive to rapid evolution. From what you posted above: By using the Hüttenberg Formation, which formed between a billion and half a billion years ago, to study the time between Earth’s change from an anoxic environment (i.e. one lacking oxygen) to a more hospitable environment that heralded the animal kingdom, a team of researchers led by Dr. Huan Cui of the NASA Astrobiology Institute at the University of Wisconsin–Madison discovered a sustained, high level of carbon. This influx of carbon, coupled with changes in other elements, indicates how changing levels of oceanic oxygen may have lent a helping hand to early animal evolution.This really contradicts your point. This is the generally accepted view of oxygen levels in the past: I believe Soren Kierkegaard stated a clear definition of the two ways one may be a fool and @gratu has stepped up to the plate and demonstrated them both flawlessly and simultaneously. It would be interesting to hear from the 2x2 and other readers as to the helpfulness of the links hat @gratu has posted.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 26, 2019 22:47:07 GMT -5
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Astrobiology Magazinewww.astrobio.net/origin-and-evolution-of-life/oxygen-not-the-cause-of-the-cambrian-explosion/OXYGEN NOT THE CAUSE OF THE CAMBRIAN EXPLOSIONBy Astrobiology Magazine - Oct 22, 2013 from the same Mag of 2018:
EARTH’S OXYGEN INCREASED IN GRADUAL STEPS RATHER THAN BIG BURSTS Aug 31, 2018 www.astrobio.net/origin-and-evolution-of-life/earths-oxygen-increased-in-gradual-steps-rather-than-big-bursts/
A carbon cycle anomalydiscovered in carbonate rocks of the Neoproterozoic Hüttenberg Formation of north-eastern Namibia follows a pattern similar to that found right after the Great Oxygenation Event, hinting at new evidence for how Earth’s atmosphere became fully oxygenated.
By using the Hüttenberg Formation, which formed between a billion and half a billion years ago, to study the time between Earth’s change from an anoxic environment (i.e. one lacking oxygen) to a more hospitable environment that heralded the animal kingdom, a team of researchers led by Dr. Huan Cui of the NASA Astrobiology Institute at the University of Wisconsin–Madison discovered a sustained, high level of carbon. This influx of carbon, coupled with changes in other elements, indicates how changing levels of oceanic oxygen may have lent a helping hand to early animal evolution.
Gratu's note - why not toss around 500 gazillion years as the evolution theory tosses around billions and millions and even a half million years as if its 'time' barrel is as bottomless as the county's tax barrel.
Astrobiology Magazine (exploring the solar system and beyond), or Astrobiology Mag, was an American NASA-sponsored international online popular science magazine that contained popular science content, which refers to articles for the general reader on science and technology subjects.[1][2] The magazine reported on missions of NASA and other space agencies, as well as presented news of relevant research conducted by various institutions, universities, and non-profit groups. In addition, the magazine provided a forum through which researchers and the general public could oversee the progress made in fields of study that were associated with the science of astrobiology. According to Phys.org, the magazine has a "vast archive of stories covering a broad array of topics ... [and] covers science and nature topics relevant to space, innovation and biology, with an emphasis on the existence, detection and exploration of life in the universe".[3] The magazine was created by Helen Matsos, who was the Chief Editor and Executive Producer. It began publication in 1999 and ceased publication in February 2019.[1] Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrobiology_Magazine
Now, rational, let us see you play similar ad hjominem upon that non-creationist sourcs as you do upon "creationist sties."You quoted a single source multiple times. It is a one look at the role of oxygen and is not the definitive research on the topic. There are multiple of research papers that do not support the conclusion reached. Being able to exist on low levels of oxygen does not mean the same low levels would be condusive to rapid evolution. From what you posted above: By using the Hüttenberg Formation, which formed between a billion and half a billion years ago, to study the time between Earth’s change from an anoxic environment (i.e. one lacking oxygen) to a more hospitable environment that heralded the animal kingdom, a team of researchers led by Dr. Huan Cui of the NASA Astrobiology Institute at the University of Wisconsin–Madison discovered a sustained, high level of carbon. This influx of carbon, coupled with changes in other elements, indicates how changing levels of oceanic oxygen may have lent a helping hand to early animal evolution.This really contradicts your point. This is the generally accepted view of oxygen levels in the past: I believe Soren Kierkegaard stated a clear definition of the two ways one may be a fool and @gratu has stepped up to the plate and demonstrated them both flawlessly and simultaneously. It would be interesting to hear from the 2x2 and other readers as to the helpfulness of the links hat @gratu has posted. Yes it would be interesting to get some feedback from the "invited guests" and the 2x2s rational. Maybe @gratu has a huge "following" !!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 23:10:20 GMT -5
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Astrobiology Magazinewww.astrobio.net/origin-and-evolution-of-life/oxygen-not-the-cause-of-the-cambrian-explosion/OXYGEN NOT THE CAUSE OF THE CAMBRIAN EXPLOSIONBy Astrobiology Magazine - Oct 22, 2013 from the same Mag of 2018:
EARTH’S OXYGEN INCREASED IN GRADUAL STEPS RATHER THAN BIG BURSTS Aug 31, 2018 www.astrobio.net/origin-and-evolution-of-life/earths-oxygen-increased-in-gradual-steps-rather-than-big-bursts/
A carbon cycle anomalydiscovered in carbonate rocks of the Neoproterozoic Hüttenberg Formation of north-eastern Namibia follows a pattern similar to that found right after the Great Oxygenation Event, hinting at new evidence for how Earth’s atmosphere became fully oxygenated.
By using the Hüttenberg Formation, which formed between a billion and half a billion years ago, to study the time between Earth’s change from an anoxic environment (i.e. one lacking oxygen) to a more hospitable environment that heralded the animal kingdom, a team of researchers led by Dr. Huan Cui of the NASA Astrobiology Institute at the University of Wisconsin–Madison discovered a sustained, high level of carbon. This influx of carbon, coupled with changes in other elements, indicates how changing levels of oceanic oxygen may have lent a helping hand to early animal evolution.
Gratu's note - why not toss around 500 gazillion years as the evolution theory tosses around billions and millions and even a half million years as if its 'time' barrel is as bottomless as the county's tax barrel.
Astrobiology Magazine (exploring the solar system and beyond), or Astrobiology Mag, was an American NASA-sponsored international online popular science magazine that contained popular science content, which refers to articles for the general reader on science and technology subjects.[1][2] The magazine reported on missions of NASA and other space agencies, as well as presented news of relevant research conducted by various institutions, universities, and non-profit groups. In addition, the magazine provided a forum through which researchers and the general public could oversee the progress made in fields of study that were associated with the science of astrobiology. According to Phys.org, the magazine has a "vast archive of stories covering a broad array of topics ... [and] covers science and nature topics relevant to space, innovation and biology, with an emphasis on the existence, detection and exploration of life in the universe".[3] The magazine was created by Helen Matsos, who was the Chief Editor and Executive Producer. It began publication in 1999 and ceased publication in February 2019.[1] Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrobiology_Magazine
Now, rational, let us see you play similar ad hjominem upon that non-creationist sourcs as you do upon "creationist sties."You quoted a single source multiple times. It is a one look at the role of oxygen and is not the definitive research on the topic. There are multiple of research papers that do not support the conclusion reached. Being able to exist on low levels of oxygen does not mean the same low levels would be condusive to rapid evolution. From what you posted above: By using the Hüttenberg Formation, which formed between a billion and half a billion years ago, to study the time between Earth’s change from an anoxic environment (i.e. one lacking oxygen) to a more hospitable environment that heralded the animal kingdom, a team of researchers led by Dr. Huan Cui of the NASA Astrobiology Institute at the University of Wisconsin–Madison discovered a sustained, high level of carbon. This influx of carbon, coupled with changes in other elements, indicates how changing levels of oceanic oxygen may have lent a helping hand to early animal evolution.This really contradicts your point. This is the generally accepted view of oxygen levels in the past: I believe Soren Kierkegaard stated a clear definition of the two ways one may be a fool and @gratu has stepped up to the plate and demonstrated them both flawlessly and simultaneously. It would be interesting to hear from the 2x2 and other readers as to the helpfulness of the links hat @gratu has posted. although i agree with the young earth belief i don't follow gratu's links or posts much they are confusing, weird and he doesn't seem to know how a forum works...
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Post by rational on Nov 26, 2019 23:14:24 GMT -5
although i agree with the young earth belief... Oh @wally, that is so sad to hear. A number of people have noticed this and tried to help to no avail.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 27, 2019 0:15:33 GMT -5
“You quoted a single source multiple times. It is a one look at the role of oxygen and is not the definitive research on the topic. “ Awwww I nowwww – but you didn't indicate how many non-creation sites would meet your fancy, and those I have looked into besides this one quoted just twice, not multiple times have me convinced that the Bible is correct about you and the TMB demolition team. I was not about to write or quote a whole book. So, to you this one “is not definitive” - too bad you don't play that almost absent ad hominem tune for “creationist sites.” But this is just what I expected to see from you. And look at all those helpers spewing repeat as if cronie-repeat is going to make that stuff “definitive” .Ho hum just another waste of my time. (Final comp. "a fw seconds ago") If it such a waste your time, -perhaps you should quit posting and use your time more profitably. I would suggest a few classes in geology, biology, ancient history for starters.
Your local community college would be a good place to start.
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“You quoted a single source multiple times. It is a one look at the role of oxygen and is not the definitive research on the topic. “ Awwww I nowwww – but you didn't indicate how many non-creation sites would meet your fancy, and those I have looked into besides this one quoted just twice, not multiple times have me convinced that the Bible is correct about you and the TMB demolition team. I was not about to write or quote a whole book. So, to you this one “is not definitive” - too bad you don't play that almost absent ad hominem tune for “creationist sites.” But this is just what I expected to see from you. And look at all those helpers spewing repeat as if cronie-repeat is going to make that stuff “definitive” .Ho hum just another waste of my time. (Final comp. "a fw seconds ago") If it such a waste your time, -perhaps you should quit posting and use your time more profitably. I would suggest a few classes in geology, biology, ancient history for starters.
Your local community college would be a good place to start. I know the perfect professor! I worked briefly with her. A very intelligent and capable lady, who has 25+ years of experience teaching. I would love to send gratu to her. She told me that she wished she would contract rabies, so she could bite all of her d***a** students before she died. Miserable wretch she was.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 1:38:07 GMT -5
Bible Bitesby Amir Tsarfati November 25, 2019 "Jesus is the Messiah, and He’s all over the Old Testament. The first time I read the New Testament was in my military service, and I was in the Armored Corps, and I was reading inside the tanks when they were serviced. I would sneak into the tank, and I had a small little New Testament I kept in the pocket right here, and I would read it with a little flashlight, and I was amazed. It’s not for non-Jews about a non-Jewish thing, directing someone to a non-Jewish faith. It is all quotations of the Old Testament that I know. It’s a Messiah who is... He came to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." One of the primary arguments of atheists for denying there is a God is the lack of evidence. Yet the Bible tells us there is evidence all around us and ample evidence within its pages to say to us there is someone who dwells outside of time, which is all-powerful and can answer the big questions of life. Philosophers pose four questions regarding life that they say demands an answer, and they are Origin, Meaning Morality, and Destiny. In other words, Where did we come from? What is the purpose of life? Is there a single moral standard for all peoples? What happens after we die? The Bible answers these questions, not with theories and speculation, but empirical evidence and facts that can be observed by anyone at any given point in history. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse. The truth is that the elusive matter of origin that even evolutionary biologists admit they cannot explain with facts and observable evidence is clearly presented in Genesis and is consistent with what we observe in our world today. There is a night-day cycle that repeats itself every 24 hours, there are still two great lights in the sky, one lesser and one greater (moon and sun) the animal kingdom is still procreating “after its kind”, the seas are still divided from the dry land and, contrary to what we hear today, there are still 2 genders, male and female. All this recorded for us in the first two chapters of Genesis and consistent with what we observe today.The Bible also answers the question of “meaning.” Mankind was created in the image and likeness of God for the purpose of fellowship with Him. It also answers the question of morality as man severed that intimate fellowship with God they once enjoyed by disregarding God’s word and warning about a single tree in the garden that they were not to eat from. There is an inseparable link between the last two demands of the Philosopher, morality, and destiny, and the Bible answers both those questions in a single verse;
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. The moral failures of man introduced death into God’s perfect creation, and yet, God offers eternal life to the perishing through His Son, Jesus Christ.
It is true that the attributes of the invisible God are clearly seen in creation, and it is true that the Bible presents observable evidence of its truth claims to all people. However, it is also true that some read the Bible and miss the primary meaning and message it proclaims.
John 5:37-40 And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form. But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe. You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life. The “leading Jews” (Scribes and Pharisees) were constantly questioning Jesus about His right and by what power He did the things that He did. His answer to them in John 5 was; Evidence that My Father sent Me is found in the pages of scripture. He then says, Searching the scripture is not how eternal life is obtained but coming to the One whom the scripture proclaims as “the child born and the Son given” is how eternal life can be obtained. He then drops a “truth bomb” on them that is true for many today when He says (in paraphrase) The scriptures present ample evidence of who I am, but you were not willing to accept the evidence and recognize your need for a Savior.
This is a sad reality for many today. There is sufficient evidence within the Bible to answer the questions of Origin, Meaning, Morality, and Destiny, yet many are unwilling to accept the evidence and answers to those questions.
The truth is that whether you search the Old Testament or New, you are going to find empirical evidence that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the living God.
Born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14) in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2) called out of Egypt (Hosea 11:1) despised and rejected by men (Isaiah 53:3) riding into Jerusalem on a donkey (Zechariah 9:9) His hands and feet pierced and His garments cast lots for and divided (Psalm 22:16-18) killed for the sake of others (Daniel 9:26) buried among the rich at His death (Isaiah 53:9) His death leads to the justification of others (Isaiah 53:11) The list goes on and on and all of these things written hundreds of years before they ever happened.
If you want to know the origin of the universe, man and all living things, read the Bible, if you want to know the meaning of life, read the Bible, if you want to know the moral code of God, read the Bible, if you want to know about life after death, read the Bible. The conclusion you will arrive at is the one the leading Jews missed that was stated clearly by Jesus hours before He fulfilled all the prophecies concerning His death.
John 14:1-6 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. And where I go you know, and the way you know.” Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?” Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
The way by which any person can safely arrive in heaven is through Jesus. Written about from Genesis to Revelation in the infallible and divinely inspired word of God, which tells us not only that He died for our sins, resurrected early in the morning on the first day of the week, and ascended into heaven in front of eyewitnesses. He is coming again to receive us unto Himself that where He is, we may be also!
Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus! Bible Teaching: Amir Tsarfati: Jesus in the Old Testamentwww.youtube.com/watch?v=bHf-keOlUHc
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Post by benar on Nov 27, 2019 2:32:07 GMT -5
I for one will stick to the Bible and trust God rather than men. Who wrote the Bible, @gratu ? Men did. So you are trusting in men that they have told you the truth.
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