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Post by Lee on Mar 25, 2019 9:42:47 GMT -5
youtu.be/b53uiRFq4DsDecriminalization of drugs and misdemeanors leads to what one man describes as a society, allowed, concentration camp where drugs are regularly administered. I've cited high housing costs compared to incomes as a leading cause of homelessness. This report indicates it's chiefly a drug problem, and permissiveness and indifference of the justice department's philosophy, and more specifically, the city council. America is lacking in vision. It's criminal justice system and culture is broken in our cities, and particularly, the left coasts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 12:48:34 GMT -5
it can be a pretty sick place to live i've lived there twice...the first time i moved there that night the police found a murdered woman down the hill from my place about a block away...
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Post by Lee on Mar 26, 2019 5:58:59 GMT -5
In an age where technology is celebrated and essential, I'm appalled by what we're unable to resolve.
It has something to do with the will though.
The report states in effect, "At some point hard working Seattleans, retiring to their own homes and needs gave up the fight that led to this tragedy."
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It is a fight to help the weakest among us. We'd all like to retire to our immediate concept of heaven.
Some people need the most primitive expression of religion for structure, for habilition. People who choose drugs to cope, represent the greatest part of the homeless problem, need external restraints and controls.
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I see value in the judeo and Christian forms of religion.
Christianity says we can be willed from within.
This is too high for some people, however. External control can be a blessing. One heroin addict in this report said to the arresting officer, "You just saved me".
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And then there's people making bank off this world, or in this world.
Who controls them?
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Post by Lee on Mar 27, 2019 17:34:06 GMT -5
If you watched this video, what was your reaction?
A. It's the people's faults (meaning the homeless themselves). I need not be bothered. I don't care whether they rape, rob, or recline on their asses all day.
B. It's the people's faults (meaning the homeless themselves). They should be busted, incarcerated, and forced to do hard labor.
C. It's the people's faults, but we should respond mercifully. We should incarcerate them in rehab and or prison ( should they not rehab successfully). The cost to tax payers is nothing, given it's the humane thing to do.
D. It's society's fault. I dont care how society handles the problem so long as it doesn't affect me. Society generated this demographic of lost souls because it places too much faith in capitalism and materialism.
E. It's the Dems faults, or the Repubs.
F. It's society's fault. I want society to resolve this problem because I believe society created the problem in the first place, namely, the integrity and role of America's families have lapsed for at least fifty years. Family is the nursery of each generation, where we learn right from wrong and develop a relatively constructive trajectory in this life.
G. It doesn't matter who's fault it is. There's plenty of fault to go around. See 'C' for a proposed resolution.
...hij
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Post by ellie on Mar 28, 2019 4:58:18 GMT -5
If you watched this video, what was your reaction? A. It's the people's faults (meaning the homeless themselves). I need not be bothered. I don't care whether they rape, rob, or recline on their asses all day. B. It's the people's faults (meaning the homeless themselves). They should be busted, incarcerated, and forced to do hard labor. C. It's the people's faults, but we should respond mercifully. We should incarcerate them in rehab and or prison ( should they not rehab successfully). The cost to tax payers is nothing, given it's the humane thing to do. D. It's society's fault. I dont care how society handles the problem so long as it doesn't affect me. Society generated this demographic of lost souls because it places too much faith in capitalism and materialism. E. It's the Dems faults, or the Repubs. F. It's society's fault. I want society to resolve this problem because I believe society created the problem in the first place, namely, the integrity and role of America has lapsed for at least fifty years. Family is the nursery of each generation, where we learn right from wrong and develop a relatively constructive trajectory in this life. G. It doesn't matter who's fault it is. There's plenty of fault to go around. See 'C' for a proposed resolution. ...hij The video is unavailable. If the video speaks of Heroin abuse Purdue Pharma and other companies marketing OxyContin, while misrepresenting the risk of opioid addiction, have played a role in the mess.
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Post by Lee on Mar 28, 2019 22:34:58 GMT -5
In the homeless mess?
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Post by Lee on Mar 29, 2019 7:39:08 GMT -5
My conscience is rocked whenever I'm thinking of or a witness to a homeless community.
Home is where the heart is. One could add or say, the soul...
What's up with modern, urban, itineracy?
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Greedy capitalist wants too much for their land? (Housing prices out of touch with incomes?)
Nobody wants to live anymore....? (Let me handle life from on high, or more plain-spokenly, high?)
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I'm convinced, the healthy human is a proposition requiring vigilance.
Let's see, how have I-We sinned against thee, such as we are now receiving thy dost holy judgment, of our existiential, sorrowful plight, of the homeless?
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Oh.....let me count the ways.
Oh Lord, show us how to heal.
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Post by ellie on Mar 30, 2019 22:39:58 GMT -5
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Post by ellie on Mar 30, 2019 22:46:17 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Mar 31, 2019 15:29:02 GMT -5
Part of this is also people have chosen it. I used to live in Victoria, BC and we had a lot of homeless there because our climate allow them to live outside all year round. I used to sit down and talk to some of them on my lunch break. Shared lunch with some of them that I got to know. Many were addicts, true, but there was also quite a few that told me they chose that lifestyle because it was freeing. No responsibilities. I would say that a larger percentage had a mental illness that then led to addictions but not always. If we were more proactive in dealing with mental illness we might find fewer people trying to self medicate and then down the road finding themselves in trouble with addictions they can't escape. It's a complex problem that isn't all about drug use.
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Post by Lee on Mar 31, 2019 23:23:14 GMT -5
That personal choice is one part of the homeless equation, some or most of it, parallels the way religion is commonly presented, the go to heaven or go to hell dichotomy. Of those who reject Jesus or Mohammed, it's a choice, it's said.
But God would not have any to perish.
So why do people make the choices they do?
What happened?
What's broke?
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Post by snow on Apr 1, 2019 11:36:41 GMT -5
That personal choice is one part of the homeless equation, some or most of it, parallels the way religion is commonly presented, the go to heaven or go to hell dichotomy. Of those who reject Jesus or Mohammed, it's a choice, it's said. But God would not have any to perish. So why do people make the choices they do? What happened? What's broke? I see it as our mental health system. That's what is broke. We don't pay enough attention on how to prevent addiction due to mental health issues. People will self medicate if they feel awful all the time. It's hard to be strong enough to battle feeling awful all the time so they try to do something to alleviate their symptoms. Unfortunately, most of the things that help do that are also addictive. That leads to more problems. If we had a system where people who felt overwhelmed by life or just needed a break from feeling like they want to die, maybe we could prevent some of the addiction problems that lead to a dysfunctional lifestyle because they can't cope. Religion, imo, contributes to people's low self esteem. They are told they are sinners and will always be sinners and that they were born that way. Another thing that religion contributes to is feelings of guilt if people find out that they are homosexual and their religion preaches that it's wrong, a choice, and/or a sin. Of course religion is just one of many reasons their may be problems. But bottom line for me is that we don't have an adequate system in place in our society to handle the preventative side of addiction. Also, we need to end the stigma mental health issues have so more people treat it and see it as a disease like any other and not avoid help because it might make others think they are crazy or weak.
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Post by ellie on Apr 2, 2019 5:18:46 GMT -5
Part of this is also people have chosen it. I used to live in Victoria, BC and we had a lot of homeless there because our climate allow them to live outside all year round. I used to sit down and talk to some of them on my lunch break. Shared lunch with some of them that I got to know. Many were addicts, true, but there was also quite a few that told me they chose that lifestyle because it was freeing. No responsibilities. Sydney's climate is mild enough to live outdoors but most of the tent city accepted housing when it was offered. The article linked above has job loss (24.7%) followed by alcohol and drugs (20.6%) as the main reasons for Seattle homelessness. Mental health was chosen by 8.8%, but it's complex. The poll itself adds to more than 100% and people taking drugs to relax or whatnot may not consider they might have mental health issues.
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Post by snow on Apr 2, 2019 9:35:45 GMT -5
Part of this is also people have chosen it. I used to live in Victoria, BC and we had a lot of homeless there because our climate allow them to live outside all year round. I used to sit down and talk to some of them on my lunch break. Shared lunch with some of them that I got to know. Many were addicts, true, but there was also quite a few that told me they chose that lifestyle because it was freeing. No responsibilities. Sydney's climate is mild enough to live outdoors but most of the tent city accepted housing when it was offered. The article linked above has job loss (24.7%) followed by alcohol and drugs (20.6%) as the main reasons for Seattle homelessness. Mental health was chosen by 8.8%, but it's complex. The poll itself adds to more than 100% and people taking drugs to relax or whatnot may not consider they might have mental health issues. Jobs lost can cover a lot of issues too. Jobs lost due to mental health issues and addictions is high. The lower functioning are the first to go when jobs become scarce and the last to be hired. So I'm not surprised that the poll lists job loss as the highest. But do they look at why their jobs were lost? Mental health issues and addictions are complex. No 'one solution fits all' that's for sure.
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Post by Lee on Apr 2, 2019 17:00:08 GMT -5
In the video, when the meth-head interviewed is mocking authority, I feel like he's mocking all of us. All of us are being made less respectable over the spectre of homelessness.
I think the problem is rooted in too little religion, not too much. A religion that makes right and wrong real to children is constructive. Shame is a positive thing if it's based upon failure to achieve the good. A society without expectations is a society that plans to fail.
There's a relationship between gay normalcy and homelessness. Gay normalcy has led to gender annhilation. In the past, we we're men and women, and we were taught how to be right and how to be wrong in those roles. This was important, because it
1) Defined the family and
2) Retained power in the family nuclear, as opposed to ceding it to a proto-savior government, who's definition of charity is taking other people's money to impower themselves at the expense of your escalating dependency.
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Post by Dennis J on Apr 2, 2019 18:47:32 GMT -5
Well, for over a decade in the days of enough health and prosperity to do so, I gave every last bit of extensive public service, also tried to encourage others in the same. Now, just too old to cut the muster anymore!
In in case nobody has guessed, Katie has been set free from her bondage to me for at least today. She has knitting and bell choir practice until evening. I am hurting emotionally today because she just gave up her volunteer DAR regent statewide convention, being unable to find anyone to care for me. Looks like I am becoming a poster child for elder extermination...very sad wan smile!
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Post by ellie on Apr 3, 2019 5:54:25 GMT -5
Sydney's climate is mild enough to live outdoors but most of the tent city accepted housing when it was offered. The article linked above has job loss (24.7%) followed by alcohol and drugs (20.6%) as the main reasons for Seattle homelessness. Mental health was chosen by 8.8%, but it's complex. The poll itself adds to more than 100% and people taking drugs to relax or whatnot may not consider they might have mental health issues. Jobs lost can cover a lot of issues too. Jobs lost due to mental health issues and addictions is high. The lower functioning are the first to go when jobs become scarce and the last to be hired. So I'm not surprised that the poll lists job loss as the highest. But do they look at why their jobs were lost? Mental health issues and addictions are complex. No 'one solution fits all' that's for sure. They don't look at why the jobs were lost. But, if Seattle is like Australia job loss and a lack of job security is a normal part of life for many people, most of whom are not mentally ill. Over 1/5 of our workforce are casual employees who may be dismissed and out of work without notice. I'm guessing the situation is similar in Seattle. I think a high percentage of Americans live paycheck to paycheck as well. Where that is the case it's not difficult to imagine how freelance or casual employees might end up homeless.
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Post by snow on Apr 3, 2019 14:58:28 GMT -5
Jobs lost can cover a lot of issues too. Jobs lost due to mental health issues and addictions is high. The lower functioning are the first to go when jobs become scarce and the last to be hired. So I'm not surprised that the poll lists job loss as the highest. But do they look at why their jobs were lost? Mental health issues and addictions are complex. No 'one solution fits all' that's for sure. They don't look at why the jobs were lost. But, if Seattle is like Australia job loss and a lack of job security is a normal part of life for many people, most of whom are not mentally ill. Over 1/5 of our workforce are casual employees who may be dismissed and out of work without notice. I'm guessing the situation is similar in Seattle. I think a high percentage of Americans live paycheck to paycheck as well. Where that is the case it's not difficult to imagine how freelance or casual employees might end up homeless. Since I don't live in the States I can't comment on how many might be part time etc. I do agree with you that they are the first to go without much notice if any. Canada is becoming more and more like that, hiring part time to get away with not having to pay benefits etc. I also know that if someone is good at what they do and personable the company will do just about anything to keep them, even over a longer term, not so well liked or efficient employee. I've seen it time and again in my work places. I have had jobs created for me so that I could stay on when I worked part time. So job loss does have something in common with how an employee is viewed even in unions. It's harder to do, but it can be done. What I'm getting at is that people who may not be as capable of meeting society norms are more vulnerable to job loss. In these cases, they may not be cases of mental illness, but only borderline antisocial tendencies. These people if they are also not that good at their job, will be the first to find themselves without a job. That's been my experience in the work place both in union jobs and non union.
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Post by ellie on Apr 4, 2019 21:50:26 GMT -5
They don't look at why the jobs were lost. But, if Seattle is like Australia job loss and a lack of job security is a normal part of life for many people, most of whom are not mentally ill. Over 1/5 of our workforce are casual employees who may be dismissed and out of work without notice. I'm guessing the situation is similar in Seattle. I think a high percentage of Americans live paycheck to paycheck as well. Where that is the case it's not difficult to imagine how freelance or casual employees might end up homeless. Since I don't live in the States I can't comment on how many might be part time etc. I do agree with you that they are the first to go without much notice if any. Canada is becoming more and more like that, hiring part time to get away with not having to pay benefits etc. I also know that if someone is good at what they do and personable the company will do just about anything to keep them, even over a longer term, not so well liked or efficient employee. I've seen it time and again in my work places. I have had jobs created for me so that I could stay on when I worked part time. So job loss does have something in common with how an employee is viewed even in unions. It's harder to do, but it can be done. In many cases it helps to be personable and productive, but in others it doesn't make a blind bit of difference. That's what I was trying to highlight with the homeless stats. Someone who says they became homeless after losing a job can be clean, physically and mentally well but a victim of unfortunate circumstances. For example, I've been in a role working with about 200 casual employees who were all axed, regardless of skill or personality, because of technological advances Having let someone go who was not a good team player, I agree that it's harder for these personalities to maintain gainful employment, however, I've also seen valuable employees go after buyouts and restructuring.
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Post by Lee on Apr 5, 2019 11:57:03 GMT -5
Humanity's merger with technology is at some level destabilizing. New products and ways of manufacturing versus extinct ones.
No one knows exactly what the merger shall ultimately mean to human beings. A human alive 200 years ago would scarely recognize the world today. Functionality, purpose, and identity would each require adaptations.
Maybe technology will one day come to be mastered like America's theory of governance:
Peole were not made for government; government will be made for people.
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Post by ellie on Apr 6, 2019 6:31:17 GMT -5
Humanity's merger with technology is at some level destabilizing. New products and ways of manufacturing versus extinct ones. When new technology is adopted successfully it is virtually always destabilizing to thinking and processes based around the existing way of doing things. Possibly the fastest way redundancy in a workplace is to stick to the old familiar, perhaps even safe way of doing things in the face of new tech. I'm not sure what is meant here by merger of tech with humans. Does this refer to a human AI merge? They might even think we are gods! I tend to think tech is currently made by people for people, however there's a future possiblity for AI to become master of the people.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Apr 6, 2019 8:13:29 GMT -5
Large urban areas are cesspools of immorality, socialism, and degradation. Run from them but keep your politics back home.
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Post by Lee on Apr 6, 2019 15:25:33 GMT -5
Humanity's merger with technology is at some level destabilizing. New products and ways of manufacturing versus extinct ones. When new technology is adopted successfully it is virtually always destabilizing to thinking and processes based around the existing way of doing things. Possibly the fastest way redundancy in a workplace is to stick to the old familiar, perhaps even safe way of doing things in the face of new tech. I'm not sure what is meant here by merger of tech with humans. Does this refer to a human AI merge? They might even think we are gods! I tend to think tech is currently made by people for people, however there's a future possiblity for AI to become master of the people. Technology is having a tendency to make us lazy. When we had to fish or farm for our food we were exercised in problem solving. I work as a building maintenance tech. A broken vacuum belt will flummox many people today. Machines are supposed to fix themselves today or be left to experts, right? Wrong. Everyone should develop some sense of how to nose around things and keep a few tools on hand. It can influence your budget quite positively. And homeless people should show some interest in their lives, not fold to the slightest bit of temptation. A lot of them just want to escape. To drugs. Theyre not real victims of economic disturbance. Author Been Sasse warns of more economic disturbance to come. The writings on the wall he says, as money finds new ways to put workers out of work who do work in old ways. Like I said, we don't really know what the merger of technology and humans will ultimately be, or how it relates to eschatology, as theists might wonder. Ben didn't seem to either. He just warns us we'd better buckle down. The winds are a blowing.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 6, 2019 19:14:31 GMT -5
Large urban areas are cesspools of immorality, socialism, and degradation. Run from them but keep your politics back home. Nothing immoral ever happens down on the farm aye, Uncle Daddy.
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Post by ellie on Apr 8, 2019 6:31:17 GMT -5
When new technology is adopted successfully it is virtually always destabilizing to thinking and processes based around the existing way of doing things. Possibly the fastest way redundancy in a workplace is to stick to the old familiar, perhaps even safe way of doing things in the face of new tech. I'm not sure what is meant here by merger of tech with humans. Does this refer to a human AI merge? They might even think we are gods! I tend to think tech is currently made by people for people, however there's a future possiblity for AI to become master of the people. Technology is having a tendency to make us lazy. It makes us more sedentary for sure. At the same time it frees us from boring repetitive tasks to do more things of our choosing. The mechanical skills to fix things are a nice to have but in a modern reality most town and city people my age and younger don't have these skills simply because household goods don't break often enough to accrue experience fixing things. When they do break it's often a programming issue rather than a mechanical one. Even when it's mechanical there can be all sorts of manufacturing barriers. For example one of my laptop fans frequently sounded like a jet engine about to take off, but opening the cover to clean it would've voided the warranty. It's not great for the budget if you break something! Sadly for the environment a lot of items are so cheap, e.g. a kettle and toaster, it's not worth the time to fix things. Homeless people have to take a great deal of interest in the basic things we take for granted, such as when and where the next opportunity to eat, do washing, shower and even sleep undisturbed will take place. It must be exhausting. They are subject to different economic conditions than affluent users. As a society, if AI replaces most jobs without creating others, we will have to reassess the role employment has in our lives. Perhaps we will be enhanced with AI and have super powers!
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Post by Lee on Apr 8, 2019 7:01:06 GMT -5
We already do, I guess. One can pick up a cell phone and call anyone anytime, anywhere else in the world.
What super powers don't do is develop a sense or a culture whos concern is right and wrong.
A couple Einstein quotes
"I believe that the abominable deterioration of ethical standards stems primarily from the mechanisation and depersonalisation of our lives—a disastrous byproduct of science and technology. Nostra culpa! (We are to blame!)"
"Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal."
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Post by snow on Apr 8, 2019 13:16:34 GMT -5
We already do, I guess. One can pick up a cell phone and call anyone anytime, anywhere else in the world. What super powers don't do is develop a sense or a culture whos concern is right and wrong. A couple Einstein quotes "I believe that the abominable deterioration of ethical standards stems primarily from the mechanisation and depersonalisation of our lives—a disastrous byproduct of science and technology. Nostra culpa! (We are to blame!)" "Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal." Yes, most things that are good for us can also be bad for us in the wrong hands. Nuclear power is a good example of that.
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Post by Lee on Apr 8, 2019 17:40:29 GMT -5
Whos monitoring so-called technological progress?
No one.
No agency to date that I've heard of evaluates technological developments for their potential benefit or liability to humankind. The environmental protection agency here in America? Their stategy is to battle the impact of technology with technology (and regulations). This only serves to further the idea progress is rooted in technology. Is this a solid path or assumption guiding salvation and progress?
Of course any species expected to grow up will be tested with the power afforded by technology. Can we demonstrate ourselves to be law abiding and self respecting? In a word, are we civilized?
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