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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 20:18:35 GMT -5
your getting irrational and hysterical, firearms in the hands of gov'ts have killed more people than civilians ever have and yet you trust the police and the military to have them. go fig'r YEH! You two! Olea & Redback!
Why are you getting so "irrational and hysterical" over just one little girl who has undergone 8 operations because she was shot 3 times by a gunman using a semi-automatic gun who pointed the gun right in her face?
more emotional hysterics isn't gonna help the situation at all...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 20:44:59 GMT -5
"Emotional hysterics", that is how you describe innocent people including children being shot dead. They were in a place of worship, and I wonder if it happened at a Convention would there be a different attitude.
Romans 12:21 New International Version (NIV)
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 20:50:55 GMT -5
"Emotional hysterics", that is how you describe innocent people including children being shot dead. They were in a place of worship, and I wonder if it happened at a Convention would there be a different attitude. Romans 12:21 New International Version (NIV) 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Jas_4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 23, 2019 22:22:54 GMT -5
your getting irrational and hysterical, firearms in the hands of gov'ts have killed more people than civilians ever have and yet you trust the police and the military to have them. go fig'r YEH! You two! Olea & Redback!
Why are you getting so "irrational and hysterical" over just one little girl who has undergone 8 operations because she was shot 3 times by a gunman using a semi-automatic gun who pointed the gun right in her face?
Wally may have missed the wee fact that the NZ Police had the suspect in custody within 21 minutes of the 111 call. There were no shots fired during the apprehension of the suspect. How unusual. The USA police could learn a thing or two from that.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 23, 2019 23:43:14 GMT -5
YEH! You two! Olea & Redback!
Why are you getting so "irrational and hysterical" over just one little girl who has undergone 8 operations because she was shot 3 times by a gunman using a semi-automatic gun who pointed the gun right in her face?
Wally may have missed the wee fact that the NZ Police had the suspect in custody within 21 minutes of the 111 call. There were no shots fired during the apprehension of the suspect. How unusual. The USA police could learn a thing or two from that. Amen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 23:44:03 GMT -5
When I become discouraged by some of the posts I read on TMB I go to the toilet and read "Desiderata" that I have on the wall. Thought this part might be appropriate,
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 0:21:11 GMT -5
YEH! You two! Olea & Redback!
Why are you getting so "irrational and hysterical" over just one little girl who has undergone 8 operations because she was shot 3 times by a gunman using a semi-automatic gun who pointed the gun right in her face?
Wally may have missed the wee fact that the NZ Police had the suspect in custody within 21 minutes of the 111 call. There were no shots fired during the apprehension of the suspect. How unusual. The USA police could learn a thing or two from that. 21 minutes too late....dead or alive makes no matter to me...alive he MIGHT provide info on other like minded individuals but there is no guarantee he would...
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Post by benar on Mar 24, 2019 0:52:39 GMT -5
Wally may have missed the wee fact that the NZ Police had the suspect in custody within 21 minutes of the 111 call. There were no shots fired during the apprehension of the suspect. How unusual. The USA police could learn a thing or two from that. 21 minutes too late....dead or alive makes no matter to me...alive he MIGHT provide info on other like minded individuals but there is no guarantee he would... All he has to do is ask Jesus for forgiveness and he'll see you in Heaven, Wally. That's how it works, right?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 1:13:17 GMT -5
21 minutes too late....dead or alive makes no matter to me...alive he MIGHT provide info on other like minded individuals but there is no guarantee he would... All he has to do is ask Jesus for forgiveness and he'll see you in Heaven, Wally. That's how it works, right? well going by scripture yes...but i wouldn't hold my breath...
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Post by benar on Mar 24, 2019 1:43:25 GMT -5
All he has to do is ask Jesus for forgiveness and he'll see you in Heaven, Wally. That's how it works, right? well going by scripture yes...but i wouldn't hold my breath... Why do you say that? Is the scripture perhaps not accurate?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 1:47:57 GMT -5
well going by scripture yes...but i wouldn't hold my breath... Why do you say that? Is the scripture perhaps not accurate? maybe i wasn't clear...going by scripture yes...but i wouldn't hold my breath waiting for him to repent of his deed....
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Post by benar on Mar 24, 2019 2:00:22 GMT -5
Oh, I understand now.
If he did happen to repent, do you think rewarding him with Heaven would be the right thing to do?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 2:03:10 GMT -5
Oh, I understand now. If he did happen to repent, do you think rewarding him with Heaven would be the right thing to do? well Moses, David and Paul i am pretty sure are in heaven and they all were murders or contributed to the murder of someone....
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Post by benar on Mar 24, 2019 2:09:12 GMT -5
Oh, I understand now. If he did happen to repent, do you think rewarding him with Heaven would be the right thing to do? well Moses, David and Paul i am pretty sure are in heaven and they all were murders or contributed to the murder of someone.... I don't think you've answered my question there, Wally. Do you think it would be the right thing to do?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 2:11:00 GMT -5
well Moses, David and Paul i am pretty sure are in heaven and they all were murders or contributed to the murder of someone.... I don't think you've answered my question there, Wally. Do you think it would be the right thing to do? yes....
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Post by benar on Mar 24, 2019 2:23:45 GMT -5
I don't think you've answered my question there, Wally. Do you think it would be the right thing to do? yes.... Wow. Theists often say if there's no god, what's stopping an atheist being a murderer or rapist, but right there, you've illustrated the question is actually backwards - if someone can do horrible crimes, but put his faith in Jesus and still be rewarded in heaven, then what's stopping a theist being a murderer or rapist? Tell me, if the NZ shooter had killed your family, then come to Jesus, would you be happy sharing Heaven alongside him?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 2:56:03 GMT -5
Oh, I understand now. If he did happen to repent, do you think rewarding him with Heaven would be the right thing to do? well Moses, David and Paul i am pretty sure are in heaven and they all were murders or contributed to the murder of someone.... Wally is now justifying murder. What is wrong with this man, he could be dangerous.
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Post by Bigbiddy on Mar 24, 2019 3:32:13 GMT -5
well Moses, David and Paul i am pretty sure are in heaven and they all were murders or contributed to the murder of someone.... Wally is now justifying murder. What is wrong with this man, he could be dangerous. If you believe the bible, you must believe that murderers can repent and be saved Even God committed atrocities. Only God didn’t repent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 3:39:19 GMT -5
Well if that is the way it works then anybody with commonsense would have to say it is a ridiculous belief. Makes no sense at all, if that is the situation, I would rather not be there. I will be quite happy to stay at University and be of some use to Medical Science.
And how could you ever understand a belief system that in one of the ten commandments says: You shall not murder. Then in another part says ask for forgiveness no more problem. What a hotchpotch mess it all is, no wonder that more and more are walking away from it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 3:40:31 GMT -5
Little Alin has undergone 8 operations as she battles for her life in Starship hospital, New Zealand. She was shot 3 times in the Christchurc terror attack by the gunman using a semi-automatic gun and has not woken 9 days later. The gunman pointed the gun to little Atlins face at the doorway, the father reached to pull her away when she was shot in the back. She is to undergo more surgery. Due to start school next month.
[ photo on front page of our paper).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 4:01:20 GMT -5
Olea, if your post doesn't touch the heart of a few here, then they have hearts of stone, and are not worth knowing.
There was an article posted shortly after the death of Steve Jobs : YOU CAN’T TOUCH THEIR MINDS UNTIL YOU TOUCH THEIR HEARTS.
It is worth reading, and a good example of what we all should be.
Worth noting that Steve Jobs got his inspiration from Zen Buddhism. Interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 11:42:24 GMT -5
well Moses, David and Paul i am pretty sure are in heaven and they all were murders or contributed to the murder of someone.... Wally is now justifying murder. What is wrong with this man, he could be dangerous. your a few slices short of a loaf there redback....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 11:45:21 GMT -5
Wow. Theists often say if there's no god, what's stopping an atheist being a murderer or rapist, but right there, you've illustrated the question is actually backwards - if someone can do horrible crimes, but put his faith in Jesus and still be rewarded in heaven, then what's stopping a theist being a murderer or rapist? Tell me, if the NZ shooter had killed your family, then come to Jesus, would you be happy sharing Heaven alongside him? can't win for losing...just recently said i have no love for murders, rapists and pedophiles and got drubbed for it now i suggest they can still be saved if they repent and i get drubbed for it.....gotta laugh
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Post by benar on Mar 24, 2019 18:28:08 GMT -5
Wow. Theists often say if there's no god, what's stopping an atheist being a murderer or rapist, but right there, you've illustrated the question is actually backwards - if someone can do horrible crimes, but put his faith in Jesus and still be rewarded in heaven, then what's stopping a theist being a murderer or rapist? Tell me, if the NZ shooter had killed your family, then come to Jesus, would you be happy sharing Heaven alongside him? can't win for losing...just recently said i have no love for murders, rapists and pedophiles and got drubbed for it now i suggest they can still be saved if they repent and i get drubbed for it.....gotta laugh That's right - the absurdity of the Christian faith makes it a no-win situation. How could we improve though? Perhaps we could come to the realisation that the stories and concepts of the Bible are man-made and oh-so-fallible. A better system would be one where the punishment was proportional to the crime; where one man's 'sins' cannot be paid with another man's sacrifice; where good behaviour is rewarded, rather than blind faith.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 24, 2019 18:31:30 GMT -5
can't win for losing...just recently said i have no love for murders, rapists and pedophiles and got drubbed for it now i suggest they can still be saved if they repent and i get drubbed for it.....gotta laugh That's right - the absurdity of the Christian faith makes it a no-win situation. How could we improve though? Perhaps we could come to the realisation that the stories and concepts of the Bible are man-made and oh-so-fallible. A better system would be one where the punishment was proportional to the crime; where one man's 'sins' cannot be paid with another man's sacrifice; where good behaviour is rewarded, rather than blind faith. Amway could get in on the act. A good start would be an exchange of bibles for the Amway guide to prosperity.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 19:23:45 GMT -5
can't win for losing...just recently said i have no love for murders, rapists and pedophiles and got drubbed for it now i suggest they can still be saved if they repent and i get drubbed for it.....gotta laugh That's right - the absurdity of the Christian faith makes it a no-win situation. How could we improve though? Perhaps we could come to the realisation that the stories and concepts of the Bible are man-made and oh-so-fallible. A better system would be one where the punishment was proportional to the crime; where one man's 'sins' cannot be paid with another man's sacrifice; where good behaviour is rewarded, rather than blind faith. i'll stick to the biblical text thank you in them there is life.....
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Post by snow on Mar 25, 2019 12:27:02 GMT -5
Lee, maybe putting all of your "eggs in one basket" is nit the best idea. It is like wearing a monocle and looking at everything with just one eye.
You say that you don't like the Muslim religion. But just because I do not like all of the tenets of Christian religion, doesn't mean that I don't like Christians. It doesn't even mean I can't understand why many people are Christians. I do understand because of my own personal past experience.
But we need to take a larger view of all of humankind. Now more than ever because there are too many of us on in small space.
Otherwise this infighting among races & religions could bring about the very "apocalypse" -the end of the world & collapse of civilization that so many fear!
The tragedy is that the cause won't be due to an imaginary "angry GOD" -but because of our BELIEF in such a GOD! Personally, I'm not surrendering what I believe to be the superior ideological construction of christianity, compared to alternative views of God and eschatology. There is misinformation in christianity, but there's gold also, if you're willing to dig. Our ideas determine our behavior, ultimately. Religions should be expressed more in terms of their ideas, so we can compare them better. Most people operate on an emotional, instinctive level, and relate to religion that way. It can't really be helped, thats what people do. But the ideas do manifest themselves. The principled and yet moderating effect of the savior-mediator-concept of christianity ushered our civilization forward beyond it's peers. To my way of thinking, there is gold to be found in all cultures religions. That 'gold' is far older and predates all religions imo. Unfortunately while religions try to sell their ideas based on this 'gold', more of what is 'religion' is based on rules, control and greed.
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Post by snow on Mar 25, 2019 12:32:49 GMT -5
Wally is now justifying murder. What is wrong with this man, he could be dangerous. If you believe the bible, you must believe that murderers can repent and be saved Even God committed atrocities. Only God didn’t repent. Well of course God would never repent for genocides and other monstrous things he's done! He's GOD! He's the creator of all and can do whatever he wants with us. We are just here for his whims and if he gets angry and 'repents' ever making us, it's absolutely fine if he kills us all. He's GOD! What a messed up way of thinking imo.
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